Sorry folks, but I just got out of the hospital and I trying to get my body back in focus. I wish my brain could tell the rest of my body to behave... I know there is a Brock family in Bentick Twp. I would really appreciated anyone looking up the Brocks there for me. Kathy [email protected]

Forwarded by Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] ========= Greetings All. Bill S-13, An Act to amend the Statistics Act has been reported back to the Senate without amendment. Debate on third reading of the Bill began Wednesday 30 April 2003. I have extracted and transcribed the debate as recorded in Hansard, and placed it on the Post 1901 Census Project website for all to view. It is accessible at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70.htm en français http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70-f.htm Further debate on S-13 is to come and it will also be posted. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

To all readers:- The Third Reading of Bill S-13 has been completed and Senator Lorna Milne will present the petitions to-morrow which have been tabulated and given to her. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm will be THE new place to visit -- check to see if YOUR elected Member of Parliament is supportive and if not, plan to visit or contact him/her personally. We need as many supportive Members of Parliament as possible. Members of the Canada Census Committee have been requested to direct attentions to the Members of Parliament of his/her province -- let's have every province look like Nova Scotia! Yukon is the only area of Canada with both Member of Parliament and Senator supportive. Readers will become interested to know any census discussions will be televised via CPAC -- feel a part of the debate as there will be unfinished parts of Bill S-13 which COULD be finalized to our liking by even YOUR Member of Parliament. Starting time is NOW -- do not just look at the symbols but read the messages to the MPs. Here is an example: Jim Abbott, MP in British Columbia wrote a very long message on 02/06/2001. Believe it or not, the message was three letters -- YES. However, that was another census bill -- find out if he or she supports S-13. Should anyone have House of Commons petitions -- these could be useful -- but replies are more important. Try the following:- 1. Visit your city or town council -- we have never had support from a city or town. 2. See if your LDS Centre will provide a letter of support. 3. Libraries have microfiche -- they should also provide support. Please copy all replies to me -- I will file these and the scoreboard will be updated by Gordon. Remember, postage is FREE. Let's get to work!!! Request support for Bill S-13 from ALL Members of Parliament and point out the troublesome spots to them: Clause 8 with the OPT-IN/OPT-OUT and an "undertaking" should be deleted. Also, 92 years is long enough -- we do not need 20 extra year. Above all, DO NOT COPY someone's great letter!! Change it a bit! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

Good day list I am trying to find the baptismal records for a gentleman I believe to have been born in Mount Forest in 1871. Does anyone on the list know which Presbyterian church was in the village at this time and if so, how do I access these records? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Patricia

Hi Grandma - did you receive the message below or did it go astray??? Hi Grandma The William LUNNEYs were next door neighbours with my grandparents (Finlay McCUAIG/Nancy LAWRENCE) just east of Mulock in Bentinck Twp and they were dear friends. Maggie (LUNNEY) BROWN was my grandmother's best friend and I remember going berry picking with them as a young child. I have photos that my great aunt told me were Mr & Mrs Lunney - I assume William and wife. I will find them and scan them and forward to you. Also I've sent an email request to my aunt for further info for you. Cheerio Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Farm Lanes of Bentink Although my ancestors farmed in Normanby, it has recently come to my attention that my grandfather was an itinerant teacher, travelling from place to place in a rail car and also teaching at a school in Bentink at one time. This being so, I looked up in the index and would like further info on the following - Lunney, John (perhaps Jack?) - 129,481 Lunney, James - 179,504,725 Lunney, George - 458,566,823 Lunney, Keith- 536 Lunney Pte. Robert - 823 Lunney, William- 182,446,487,506,725 Thankyou in advance to anyone who is able to help me. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Grandma - did you receive this or did it go astray??? Hi Grandma The William LUNNEYs were next door neighbours with my grandparents (Finlay McCUAIG/Nancy LAWRENCE) just east of Mulock in Bentinck Twp and they were dear friends. Maggie (LUNNEY) BROWN was my grandmother's best friend and I remember going berry picking with them as a young child. I have photos that my great aunt told me were Mr & Mrs Lunney - I assume William and wife. I will find them and scan them and forward to you. Also I've sent an email request to my aunt for further info for you. Cheerio Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Farm Lanes of Bentink Although my ancestors farmed in Normanby, it has recently come to my attention that my grandfather was an itinerant teacher, travelling from place to place in a rail car and also teaching at a school in Bentink at one time. This being so, I looked up in the index and would like further info on the following - Lunney, John (perhaps Jack?) - 129,481 Lunney, James - 179,504,725 Lunney, George - 458,566,823 Lunney, Keith- 536 Lunney Pte. Robert - 823 Lunney, William- 182,446,487,506,725 Thankyou in advance to anyone who is able to help me. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Sue:- Which Grandma? Real or adopted? I have at least 20 grandchildren, plus a few "greats" Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Visser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [Grey Co.] Lunney > Hi Grandma - did you receive the message below or did it go astray??? > > > > > Hi Grandma > The William LUNNEYs were next door neighbours with my grandparents (Finlay McCUAIG/Nancy LAWRENCE) just east of Mulock in Bentinck Twp and they were dear friends. Maggie (LUNNEY) BROWN was my grandmother's best friend and I remember going berry picking with them as a young child. I have photos that my great aunt told me were Mr & Mrs Lunney - I assume William and wife. I will find them and scan them and forward to you. Also I've sent an email request to my aunt for further info for you. > Cheerio > Sue Visser > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:47 AM > Subject: [Grey Co.] Farm Lanes of Bentink > > > Although my ancestors farmed in Normanby, it has recently come to my > attention that my grandfather was an itinerant teacher, travelling from > place > to place in a rail car and also teaching at a school in Bentink at one time. > This being so, I looked up in the index and would like further info on the > following - > Lunney, John (perhaps Jack?) - 129,481 > Lunney, James - 179,504,725 > Lunney, George - 458,566,823 > Lunney, Keith- 536 > Lunney Pte. Robert - 823 > Lunney, William- 182,446,487,506,725 > Thankyou in advance to anyone who is able to help me. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Lunney Thank you so much for all your work. It either clears up some questions or substantiates my own research. I have an extensive Blyth file should anyone need info in that direction.

It is near Markdale in Glenelg Township. You would go Northwest on 10 from Flesherton. 10 goes right through Markdale. Richard W.Thomas Royal Oak,Michigan USA Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "samshous" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] St John's Roman Catholic Cemetery Glenelg > Can someone please tell me where this cemetery is located from Highway 10 and Flesherton. Thanks > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Can someone please tell me where this cemetery is located from Highway 10 and Flesherton. Thanks

I have had two requests for lookups on Lunney, so thought I would post them here, so that the two individuals could make contact with each other. Page 182: Lot 45, Concession 3 WGR: The west part went to William Lunney in 1892, Alfred Ashley in 1912 and to Herbert Hopkins and Leslie Varge in 1918. Page 446: Lot 25, Concession 5 NDR: 1904: William Lunney (110 acres) 1904: Crown to John Redford 1907: Alfred Redford Page 487: Lot 28, Concession 6 NDR: 1858: Crown to Allan McDougall (100 acres) 1880: Neil McDougall 1904: Daniel McDougall (150 acres with east half Lot 27) 1904: Malcolm McCallum 1915: Benjamin Hopkins 1917: Findlay mcCauig 1918: William Lunney 1938: Spencer Hopkins 1957: James David Hopkins Page 506: Lot 22, Concession 7 NDR: Irwin Brown was the son of William Brown and Susan Adlam. Irwin married Emily "Emma" Mighton. Their family included: George who married Irene MacDonald (Lot 19, Con. 6 NDR); Mildred who married William Lunney (Saskatchewan) and Maurice. Page 725: Durham Cemetery, Maple Section: Row 13: James Lunney died April 3, 1893 at age 73 years, 10 months, 18 days; also his wife Fanny Donnelly died March 15, 1907 at age 84 years; also a son, William Lunney died March 7, 1907 at age 62 years. Page 734: Durham Cemetery, Pine Section: Row 12: William Lunney (1850-1934); also his wife Jane Mullen (1857-1889); also his wife Elizabeth Warren (1858-1929); also two infants, Herbert and Walter. Page 179: Lot 42, Concession 3 WGR: The Crown Patent was taken by John Kay on July 8, 1863. In January 1879, Frederick Lunney paid $1,200 for the 100 acres less the road allowance, and in July 1892, the farm passed to James Lunney for $2000. Page 504: Lot 17, Concession 7 NDR: John Cooper Johnston (1849-1892) farmed 90 acres of Lot 17 and established the Lamlash General Store on Lot 15. He had married Margaret Lunney (1851-1926), the daughter of James Lunney and Frances Donnelly. There were nine in the family: William; John James (b. 1872) who married Elizabeth Minter (1876-1904) of Lamlash and later Edmonton; Margaret; Rachel Sophia who married William John Cringle (Mount Forest); Eliza Jane who married John Lowe (Hamilton); Catherine; Ellen; Frederick; and George Cooper who married Helen "Nellie" Lynn. Page 129: John Lunney is listed as the teacher at SS No. 10 from 1907-1908 and 1910. Page 481: John Lunney is among a list of teachers at S.S. No 6 Bentinck (Mulock School), but no date is given. Page 458: George Lunney is among a list of teachers at Habermehl School, but no date is given. Page 566: George Lunney is among a list of teachers at Elmwood Red Brick School during the period 1880-1913. Page 823: Elmwood Cemetery: Bertram W. , son of Margaret and George Lunney) was born May 29, 1887 and died February 16, 1900; also Pte. Robert E. Lunney (#794713 of 38th Battalion CEF), died February 15, 1922. Page 536: Lot 26, Concession 8 NDR: On May 31, 1967, the north 80 acres were purchased by Dorothy and Keith Lunney for $14,000. On December 15, 1977, the present owners, Lois and Harold McKnight purchased the 80 acres from Dorothy Lunney. I cross-referenced Private Robert E. Lunney to the National Archives' database for the Canadian Expeditionary Force. His service number was 724713, vs. the number quoted in the cemetery transcription. It gives his mother as Margaret Lunney of Elmwood, Ontario, but his present address upon enlistment was 81 Robert Street, Toronto. His date of birth is given as November 17, 1890 and is a carpenter by trade. He enlisted January 10, 1916. His full document is available at the National Archives' site. Eileen Wilson Markham, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Mitchell To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:33 PM I wonder if you would look up these page number and send me the information from Bentinck Farm book. Page #182, 446, 487, 506, 725. I'm trying to find information about my Great Grandfather William Lunney, also James Lunney pages 179, 504, 725. My Grandfather George Lunney taught school at S.S. No.2 Betinck between 1855 and 1912. I would appreciate any help you could give me, thankyou Pat Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: [Grey Co.] Farm Lanes of Bentink > Although my ancestors farmed in Normanby, it has recently come to my > attention that my grandfather was an itinerant teacher, travelling from place > to place in a rail car and also teaching at a school in Bentink at one time. > This being so, I looked up in the index and would like further info on the > following - > Lunney, John (perhaps Jack?) - 129,481 > Lunney, James - 179,504,725 > Lunney, George - 458,566,823 > Lunney, Keith- 536 > Lunney Pte. Robert - 823 > Lunney, William- 182,446,487,506,725 > Thankyou in advance to anyone who is able to help me.

Dear Friends, Bill Lawson's book, "A Register of Emigrant Families from the Western Isles of Scotland to Ontario, Canada / Part 1: Bruce, Grey & Huron Counties, etc.," shows, on p. 11: John JOHNSON, 1806-???? Grimsay Island, Benbecula [Scotland] Kirsty [i.e. Christy] (surname unknown), 1806-???? John, 1828 -???? Mary, 1830-???? Sam[uel], 1834-???? Ranald, 1835-???? Donald, 1839-???? "John Johnston and family emigrated from Grimsay in c1849 and settled in Glenelg Township, Grey County" The above names,etc., come from the 1841 census in Scotland, and, Lawson says, the 1861 census of Ontario. I can only find the two brothers, Ronald (age 26) and Donald (age 22), living together in Glenelg in 1861 [p. 38, lines 11-12], Roman Catholics, farmers, living in a log house. Where are the rest of the family? And what happened to Ronald and Donald? And does anyone know the maiden surname of their mother, Christy? Does anyone connect to this family or know anything about them? George Sanborn

Although my ancestors farmed in Normanby, it has recently come to my attention that my grandfather was an itinerant teacher, travelling from place to place in a rail car and also teaching at a school in Bentink at one time. This being so, I looked up in the index and would like further info on the following - Lunney, John (perhaps Jack?) - 129,481 Lunney, James - 179,504,725 Lunney, George - 458,566,823 Lunney, Keith- 536 Lunney Pte. Robert - 823 Lunney, William- 182,446,487,506,725 Thankyou in advance to anyone who is able to help me.

Is there anyone on the list researching the family of Herbert L. Greenwood and his wife Robena M. Gesses? I am trying to find a connection between them and a Reba Mellefont who is listed as being buried with them in the Durham Cemetery. Annmarie

Forwarded by Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] ==== Greetings All. I copy below for your info my letter sent to all Senators by email, and that will be sent by Canada Post this afternoon. We hope that many others are sending letters to the Senators to express their opinion regarding the restrictive conditions of Bill S-13. Once we learn the final draft of what the Senate will forward to the House of Commons we will need your help in writing to your Members of Parliament as well. In writing your letters please use your own words. Do not simply copy those written by someone else and say "me too". Such letters would likely be viewed as form letters and will likely be ignored. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Bill S-13 needs a full debate in the Senate. 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 23 April 2003 Honourable Senators Senate of Canada Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A4 Honourable Senators. For most of my adult life, I have believed that in Canada we live in a Democracy. Living in a Democracy I believed that we elect people to represent us in the House of Commons, and that those representatives should put forth the views of the people they represent. In so doing I believed that the common people had an opportunity to make a difference - to seek redress and right wrongs perpetrated by the bureaucracy. Senators are not elected but are appointed by the Government - also to represent the people of Canada, but additionally to provide a "sober, second look" at what those in the lower chamber are up to. For the past six years the people of Canada have been involved in a campaign to regain the public access to Post 1901 Census records that has been improperly, and believed illegally, withheld from us by the Chief Statistician of Canada. Petitions containing more than 62,000 signatures have been sent to Ottawa and have been presented in the Senate and the House of Commons. Untold numbers of letters and email have been sent to Members of Parliament and Senators. All have sought the same thing - to regain the same, unrestricted access to records of Census after 1901 that has been available for 235 years up to that time. On 24 January 2003 the government unconditionally released the 1906 Census of the North-Western Provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Within minutes of the announced release of these records, scanned images of the Schedules of Census were made available online for the entire world to view and research. In releasing these records the government conceded that current legislation, i.e. the Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto, allowed them to do so. After five years of campaigning the government finally introduced a Bill to deal with the concerns of those seeking access to Historic Census records. In so doing, however, they ignored what those concerns were. The opening 'Summary' of Bill S-13 states "this enactment removes a legal ambiguity in relation to access to census records taken between 1910 and 2003". Bill S-13 does considerably more than remove a legal ambiguity. It provides for transfer of Census records to the control of the National Archives 92 years after collection. It specifies that the purpose of that transfer is to permit examination of those records for genealogical or historical purposes. However, in so doing it imposes conditions on access for which there has been no demonstrated need, and that were not envisioned in existing applicable legislation, or in the Instructions to Enumerators of Census that have, and always have had, the force of law. It was expected that some of those conditions would be removed, or amended, during debate and consideration of Bill S-13 by the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology. Such was not to be, however, as the proceedings of the Committee hearings were shanghaid by Senator Lowell Murray using a political ploy that resulted in S-13 being reported back to the Senate without amendment. Because of that political ploy there was no clause-by-clause deliberation of Bill S-13. Neither was there any debate relating to tabled amendments. Those amendments were supported by four of five witnesses that testified at the first Committee hearings. It is believed that Honourable Senators, being Honourable in more than just name, likely believe in the principles of democracy - that the purpose of government is to serve the will of the people, not the other way around. In drafting Bill S-13 government has listened more to one apparently very powerful bureaucrat than to representations by tens of thousands of Canadians. The conditions imposed by Bill S-13 do NOT reflect the will of the people. We call upon the Honourable Senators, being Honourable in more than just name, to permit in the Senate what did not happen during the Senate Committee hearings. We call upon you to conduct a full, free debate on the merits, or otherwise, of restrictive conditions of access imposed by Bill S-13. We call upon you to conduct a full, free debate on all of the amendments sought by the people of Canada. We call upon you to send to the House of Commons a Bill that is truly reflective of the will of the people. The amendments to Bill S-13 sought by the people are, in order of importance: * Removal of Clause 8 - the supposed "informed consent" clause. This clause, if retained, will destroy forever any possibility of Census from 2006 and on being used for any scientific, demographic or historical research, and will prevent many genealogists from being able to research their ancestry. Barring total removal of Clause 8, clarification must be made to make it an OPT-OUT provision rather than OPT-IN. Such a provision would ensure that only those who have given conscious thought to the issue, and that specifically object to access of their information 92 years in the future, would be excluded from the records. * Removal of all restrictions or conditions for access for at least the 1911 and 1916 Records of Census. The 1911 and 1916 Censuses were conducted under the same legislation and similar Instructions to Enumerators as was the 1906 Census. Records of the 1906 Census have been released without restrictions of any kind, and have been placed online for the entire world to view. * Removal of the "twenty-year" period during which only partial disclosure of information found in Census records might be made by a researcher. Removal also of the need to commit to an "undertaking" regarding this partial disclosure. Need for these conditions have not been demonstrated. They contribute nothing to the privacy of respondents to Census. They do not prevent information from being known. They create a costly, bureaucratic procedure that in the end run will simply be an inconvenience for those that would share information through their family history. We do not oppose Bill S-13 as a whole, but we most certainly oppose the unwarranted conditions it imposes on the access to Historic Census records that we believe is already permitted under the Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto. If the purpose of Bill S-13 is, as stated, to remove an ambiguity - that being the transfer of control of Historic Census records to the National Archives for subsequent public access - let it do just that. Do not allow it to impose conditions on that access for which there has not been any demonstrated need. I remain available for any clarification you might seek regarding this issue. Thank you. Sincerely, Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/03

I would really appreciate a lookup for Martha Little Rowand and William Kirstine on page 799 when you find the time. Thank you.

To fellow searchers: Any information on the following would be most appreciated. Robertson, David 370, 455, 460 Robertson, Isabella 646, 647, 832 Robertson, James 432 Robertson, John 646, 647, 667, 720, 829, 832 Robertson, Mary 647 Robertson, Robert 399 Robertson, William 646, 647, 832 With thanks from the S.S.Marie Robertson clan. Phyllis Robertson

Would appreciate a lookup Scully May-44 MacEachern Alexander-114 509 742 MacEachern John-509 510 MacEachern C MacEachern Christina 169 MacLean Christina 736 Thankyou C Sale _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Of course, if there is mention of my ancestors, the book would be a must have! As it turns out, the people I am looking for may have lived in Bentinck (or maybe not!), and if they did their stay was brief, they put down no known roots in the area. While I am quite interested in paying a fair price for research of relevance to my inquiries, I cannot afford to purchase reference books I need to consult while I am trying to establish links. Ulitmately, if I do find that my ancestors briefly lived in Bentinck, the book will be purchased. In the meantime, I am extremely grateful for the assistance I have received. Thanks Donna PS: There is no information in the book that helps me to establish the connections I am looking for, but I have not given up! >Hi List, I notice everyone getting a look-ups in the Beninck book. >This is great that we can find our relatives. I just hope some of >you are buying the book. I am sure the Bendinck Historical society >has gone to a lot of trouble and expence publishing it. I sure enjoy >the history books of the Counties and Townships I have bought. They >provide a valuable insite into the places were my relatives settled >and lived. Ther are somd History books I wish I had but out of print >and only available in Libaries if you a lucky. happy relative >Hunting....Kit Cutting > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi List, I notice everyone getting a look-ups in the Beninck book. This is great that we can find our relatives. I just hope some of you are buying the book. I am sure the Bendinck Historical society has gone to a lot of trouble and expence publishing it. I sure enjoy the history books of the Counties and Townships I have bought. They provide a valuable insite into the places were my relatives settled and lived. Ther are somd History books I wish I had but out of print and only available in Libaries if you a lucky. happy relative Hunting....Kit Cutting