Good Day Again In the near future I am going to visit the Grey County Archieves, in search of testimonials relating to the free land grants, regarding my pioneer ancestors the McCormicks. Our McCormicks lived around the Rocky Community area, just north of the town of Durham. I have read that in these types of testimonials, that family members, friends, and the settlers themselves who were acquiring the free land grants, wrote or spoke about the person getting the free land grant.If someone could not write, the information I presume would be written down for that person, in support of the person acquiring the free land grant. I would suspect that these testimonials could be huge in meaning, with regards to potential information regarding other family member's names, and information about the person acquiring the free land grant. Is there anything that anyone could tell me that would be helpful about searching for these testimonials, or other potential information about them? Sandy

Good Day Everyone I am enquiring about a small pioneer cemetary that is just south of the town of Flesherton. I drove by it recently. I noticed a sign that said from 1851 to 1871. I was not able to read the name of this cemetary. Is there anyone that does know the name of this cemetary? It appears that people were buried there for that twenty year period only. Sandy

Please forward to Newfoundland-Labrador list Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] ========= Greetings All. With all our petitions, letters and email seeking to regain public access to Historic Census records it is felt that the greatest factor in the eventual release, on 24 January 2003, of the 1906 Census of the North-Western Provinces was our Legal Action instituted on behalf of eleven plaintiffs from across Canada. Even though that Action did not actually make it before a Judge, the effect was that we won our case and the Courts awarded costs to our lawyer. It is obvious from the testimony of the Chief Statistician, the Privacy Commissioner and the comments of Senators opposing the amendments we seek to Bill S-13, that their greatest fear is the Courts would give us what we seek -- unrestricted access to all Census records -- past, present and future. On Thursday 5 June 2003 our lawyer, Lois Sparling, submitted a second Action in Federal Court relating to access to Census records. This new Action, like the previous one, deals with the failure of the Chief Statistician to turn over control of the Census to the National Archivist. Unlike the previous Action, this one has only one plaintif -- Merle Beatty of Calgary. She has submitted an ATI request but Lois has not waited for it to be refused before starting the current Action. We believe the ATI requests we suggest supporters of access make are a very powerful, meaningful way of sending a message to the government. The greater the number of requests made, the stronger the message. ATI request forms were distributed at last weeks AFHS meeting -- it is thought about 50 requests will result from this. It is my intention to distribute request forms at the BCGS meeting this coming Wednesday. Perhaps other genealogical and historical organizations will see fit to do likewise. Complaints regarding the refusal of Statistics Canada to release records of the 1911 Census must be submitted to the Information Commissioner. We believe he will be prepared, as he was prepared to do for the 1906 Census, to proceed himself to the Courts on behalf of the complainants. Perhaps he can do so in time to join with Lois in her Action. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/03

Hi Cindy, The first two letters of the name were part of the phone number. Fr represented the first two numbers. The letters are found on the 3 & 7 numbers. My parents phone number when I was growing up was Yukon 56004 = 9856004. It was just an easier way to remember the number. Yukon was the exchange used in Port Huron, Michigan north of Black River and Evergreen was the exchange south of Black River. Next you will be asking what a party line was. Richard Richard W.Thomas Royal Oak,Michigan USA Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Paradis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: [Grey Co.] Phone # in 1934, and 1948 > Hi > > I am looking at a copy of my Grandfather's Malitia Attestation Paper's. He lived at 2237 8th Avenue East, and for Phone # it looks like Wm. Farmer 8th Avenue. Does anyone have access to a phone book from this time period, and can you tell me if there was a Wm. Farmer on 8th Avenue, or would this mean something totally different. My grandfather's name was George Graham, and he lived at the time in his parents home. His father's name was Peter. I also have a document for 1948 which gives the phone # as #891-W, Owen Sound. Can anyone tell me what this would mean. > > I know that as long as I can remember the phone # was 376-1566. My father told me the other day that this used to be Franklin 6 1566. I had heard of phone # being referred to this way, but never really understood it. > > If anyone can shed some light on this I would be very greatful. > > Thanks > > Cindy > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello again List, In my ongoing search of a murder mystery, I have found a formerly unknown of marriage, indexed by Ontario Archives. If someone has access, can they do a look up for: Marriage Registration #003136, name is COOK TEETS, marriage took place in Flesherton..date on index shows Jan 31, 1880. Need all details! This man appears on 1871 census in Grey, 1880 USA Census in Michigan shown as single, not on 1881 Canadian, and then marries my gr gr aunt in 1883. She is killed within 2 months. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me on this registration. April in BC

HELLO I'm TRULY hoping this item was sent in error to the Grey Co mailing list. list mom Ida R & M Hopkins wrote: <snipped> Subject: [Grey Co.] Fw: Wondermere Holdings Limited Tax Bill For 2003 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:33:22 -0600 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:29:18 -0600 From: R & M Hopkins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] > Hi Wes ----Steve was afraid that your father might not check his E-mails often and so suggested that I forward a copy to you too. Marion > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R & M Hopkins > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:05 PM > Subject: Wondermere Holdings Limited Tax Bill For 2003 > > WINDERMERE HOLDINGS LTD, 2003 > > ASSESSMENT ROLL # 22-04-704-03032.000 > > BUILDING % $ BUILDING $ LAND $.TOTAL > > HOPKINS $20,367 .0558 $152.04 $1,288.24 $1,440.28 > > Pleas pay the highlighted tax amount in the right hand column: Thus Anderson pays $1,757.16. > Marion

Hi Wes ----Steve was afraid that your father might not check his E-mails often and so suggested that I forward a copy to you too. Marion ----- Original Message ----- From: R & M Hopkins To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Wondermere Holdings Limited Tax Bill For 2003 WINDERMERE HOLDINGS LTD, 2003 ASSESSMENT ROLL # 22-04-704-03032.000 BUILDING % $ BUILDING $ LAND $.TOTAL HOPKINS $20,367 .0558 $152.04 $1,288.24 $1,440.28 TRIMBLE $68,255 .1870 $509.52 $1,288.25 $1.797.77 APPLEBY $47,523 1302 $354.76 $1,288.25 $1,643.01 HALL $53,947 .1478 $402.71 $1,288.25 $1,690.96 ANDERSON $62,816 .1721 $468.92 $1,288.24 $1,757.16 LOUCKS $68,438 .1875 $510.89 $1,288.25 $1,799.14 LINES $43,654 .1196 $325.88 $1,288.24 $1,614.12 TOTAL $365,000 100. $2,724.72 $9,017.72 $11,742.44 Pleas pay the highlighted tax amount in the right hand column: Thus Anderson pays $1,757.16. ASSESSMENT 2002 LAND $1,122,000 2003 LAND $1,208,000 BUILDING $ 348,000 BLDG $ 365,000 TOTAL $1,470,000 $1,573,000 2001 $1,453,000 1999 $1,198,000 1997 $1,126,000 (LAND $774,000) TAXES 2000 $10,238.47 2002 $11,130.55 1995 $8,014.21 Please pay your share of the taxes by June 20 2003 . You can mail it to me at 5032 Barron Drive NW ,Calcary ,T2L1T6 or else make a direct payment into the company bank account -----Windermere Holdings Limited ,CIBC Account #4904966 Transit #06029. If you choose to make a direct deposit I would appreciate getting an E-mail confirmation from you . Regards, Marion

Forwarded for Gordon Watts [email protected] Muriel M. Davidson ================ Greetings All. First debate in the House of Commons on second reading of Bill S-13 - an Act to amend the Statistics Act is on the House schedule for today (Thursday). It has also been on the schedule the past two days but has not yet made it.. Time will tell if it will make it today. Should it happen, debate should start some time after 3:00 PM Ottawa time. It will be televised on CPAC. There is at least one Bill ahead of it on the schedule. Time limits for debate have been set as follows: S-13 - The Minister of Industry - An Act to amend the Statistics Act - Second reading (first time debated) Length of speeches, pursuant to Standing Order 74: The Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition - unlimited time. First three Members - 40 minutes maximum. All other Members - During the 5 hours of debate following the first three Members - 20 minutes maximum and speeches are subject to a 10-minute question and comment period. After the period of debate referred to above - 10 minutes maximum. It is expected that Bill S-13 will be referred to the House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology. Those considering making a submission to the Committee should be preparing to do so now. Addressing information is as follows: House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology House of Commons 180, rue Wellington Street, Room / pièce 671 OTTAWA, Ontario K1A 0A6 Attn: Jean-François Pagé, Clerk EMail : [email protected] Telephone : (613) 947-1971 Fax : (613) 943-0307 Makeup of the Committee is as follows" CHAIR Walt Lastewka [email protected] VICE-CHAIRS Dan McTeague [email protected] James Rajotte [email protected] MEMBERS André Bachand [email protected] Larry Bagnell [email protected] Paul Crête [email protected] Brian Fitzpatrick [email protected] Cheryl Gallant [email protected] Jocelyne Girard-Bujold [email protected] Serge Marcil [email protected] Brian Masse [email protected] or [email protected] Hon. Gilbert Normand [email protected] Andy Savoy [email protected] Brent St. Denis [email protected] Paddy Torsney [email protected] Joseph Volpe [email protected] There are 93 Associate Members which I will not list here. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/03

Hello List, Trying to determine if the ELIZA ANNE WILSON found on the 1881 in Egrement, Grey is my gg grandfather's sister. Does anyone have the film of C13260 or LDS1375896 at their disposal that could do a look up for me? Eliza is found in District 154, Sub district E, Division 3, page 31, household number 132. She is listed as married but her husband is not with her, and it appears to be her m in law who is 80 is head of the household. Would like to confirm that it states M and not W for marital status for Eliza and what are the relationships to her of the 2 other people in the household. There is a James Wilson;I would like to find out if he is Eliza's son (too old I think) or possibly a stepson. If this Eliza is the right one, she is actually ELIZA ANNE DUCKLOW born in Bastard Township, Leeds Grenville in 1840/1841, was married at 19 to a Gilchrist, widowed and remarried at age 21. If there are any WILSON descendants on this list, would be glad to hear from you. Thanks in advance, April in BC

These old phones were great for "catching up on all the news", my mother made us all keep quiet -- do not know what would have happened if we had made a noise. We learned we could identify the various ones who were SILENTLY joining in the conversation -- someone's large clock ticking, the barking of a German Shepherd dog, a small crying baby. The fun of living in EARLY COUNTRY! Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Gutenberg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Phone # in 1934, and 1948 > You forgot to mention the short and long rings as well as the party lines. > All phones were connected to a telephone exchange and often it was a sevice > of the family to run to get the person who is being called. The family who > ran the exchange amy have lived in the building. Telephones were indeed a > luxury item. My family did not get a phone until the 1960's but then we > didn't have indoor toilets until the year after we got a phone. I still > think of long distance calls being an expensive conversation. > Bev > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelson Denton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Phone # in 1934, and 1948 > > > > In early years phones were in short supply and were expensive luxuries. It > > was not uncommon for people to share a phone with others in their > > neighbourhood to save money. People didn't phone each other very often, > mail > > was cheaper and often faster to get a reply. - there were no answering > > machines or *69 auto call-backs. > > "Party Lines" where everyone on the same street had their phone ring as > one > > was very common even in the 1960's > > > > 2 - 4 digit phone numbers were very common in the early part of the > century > > with longer numbers being added as towns got larger and more folks got > > phones. After a while it was changed to 5 digits then 7 with the first > two > > digits being letters FRanklin 61566 or PEnnsylvania-65000 instead of > > numbers so people could remember then easier. > > > > Now we're are up to 10+ digit numbers :-(( and Owen Sound is still Long > > Distance. > > > > Somewhere I have a very old business paper which list our company phone > > number as being "58" or some such 2 digit number. Way back in ~1910! > > > > Nelson Denton > > R. A. Denton & Son > > Pipe Organ Builders > > > > Sucessors to > > Walter and David Spencer > > Organbuilders and Furniture Makers > > Owen Sound ~1862~1870 > > Walter Spencer in Hamilton > > 1870-1910 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03

Hi All I just wanted to thank all of the helpful people who responded to my quiry about old phone #'s. I think my information makes a lot more sense to me now. Thanks again Cindy

In early years phones were in short supply and were expensive luxuries. It was not uncommon for people to share a phone with others in their neighbourhood to save money. People didn't phone each other very often, mail was cheaper and often faster to get a reply. - there were no answering machines or *69 auto call-backs. "Party Lines" where everyone on the same street had their phone ring as one was very common even in the 1960's 2 - 4 digit phone numbers were very common in the early part of the century with longer numbers being added as towns got larger and more folks got phones. After a while it was changed to 5 digits then 7 with the first two digits being letters FRanklin 61566 or PEnnsylvania-65000 instead of numbers so people could remember then easier. Now we're are up to 10+ digit numbers :-(( and Owen Sound is still Long Distance. Somewhere I have a very old business paper which list our company phone number as being "58" or some such 2 digit number. Way back in ~1910! Nelson Denton R. A. Denton & Son Pipe Organ Builders Sucessors to Walter and David Spencer Organbuilders and Furniture Makers Owen Sound ~1862~1870 Walter Spencer in Hamilton 1870-1910 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19-May-03

You forgot to mention the short and long rings as well as the party lines. All phones were connected to a telephone exchange and often it was a sevice of the family to run to get the person who is being called. The family who ran the exchange amy have lived in the building. Telephones were indeed a luxury item. My family did not get a phone until the 1960's but then we didn't have indoor toilets until the year after we got a phone. I still think of long distance calls being an expensive conversation. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Denton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Phone # in 1934, and 1948 > In early years phones were in short supply and were expensive luxuries. It > was not uncommon for people to share a phone with others in their > neighbourhood to save money. People didn't phone each other very often, mail > was cheaper and often faster to get a reply. - there were no answering > machines or *69 auto call-backs. > "Party Lines" where everyone on the same street had their phone ring as one > was very common even in the 1960's > > 2 - 4 digit phone numbers were very common in the early part of the century > with longer numbers being added as towns got larger and more folks got > phones. After a while it was changed to 5 digits then 7 with the first two > digits being letters FRanklin 61566 or PEnnsylvania-65000 instead of > numbers so people could remember then easier. > > Now we're are up to 10+ digit numbers :-(( and Owen Sound is still Long > Distance. > > Somewhere I have a very old business paper which list our company phone > number as being "58" or some such 2 digit number. Way back in ~1910! > > Nelson Denton > R. A. Denton & Son > Pipe Organ Builders > > Sucessors to > Walter and David Spencer > Organbuilders and Furniture Makers > Owen Sound ~1862~1870 > Walter Spencer in Hamilton > 1870-1910 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19-May-03 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi cindy, Owen Sound only got dial phones in the 1950's. Before that, all calls were handled by an operator. I remember our home phone # was something like 1561J. It is possible that in order to call your grandfather, one would call Mr. Farmer who would pass on the message. Is that of any help to you? Ed

Hi My mother was born in Ayton, Ont. on July 25, 1894. Can you give me any info about her birth. or the Lutheran church I Icould contact for her christening or baptismal certificate. Her name was Amelia Maes, father, Conrad Maes (Mess) and mother Maria Lippert. I have tried the archives of Canada and Ontario, but I have to hire a searcher for it. any help would be appreciated. Good Luck and many thanks Margie Fahey

Hello everyone, this is my very first message to this list. My interest is the Bowles family which emmigrated from Ireland originally to Quebec and then to various Ontario communities. I have found a record for a William Bowles in the 1871 Census of Artemesia, Grey South (that would be district 36 - G1) on page 36. He was born in Quebec so may be connected. My own direct line of Bowles were not far away just north east of Collingwood in Tiny twp., North Simcoe county. Hoping someone in this list has the local census records available, could someone look up this entry and let me know the family members, birth dates, places etc.? I have also found Bowles in the 1851 and 1881 census of Artemesia (I have these records, there were two Williams there in 1851) so the family was there for quite a while. I would be glad to hear from anyone interested in the Bowles name.

Hi I am looking at a copy of my Grandfather's Malitia Attestation Paper's. He lived at 2237 8th Avenue East, and for Phone # it looks like Wm. Farmer 8th Avenue. Does anyone have access to a phone book from this time period, and can you tell me if there was a Wm. Farmer on 8th Avenue, or would this mean something totally different. My grandfather's name was George Graham, and he lived at the time in his parents home. His father's name was Peter. I also have a document for 1948 which gives the phone # as #891-W, Owen Sound. Can anyone tell me what this would mean. I know that as long as I can remember the phone # was 376-1566. My father told me the other day that this used to be Franklin 6 1566. I had heard of phone # being referred to this way, but never really understood it. If anyone can shed some light on this I would be very greatful. Thanks Cindy

Hi folks, I am wondering if someone on either list has easy access to the Ontario marriage records for 1884/1885. I am looking for the marriage records of the above couple, and out here in BC it takes forever to get films. I have found this couple in the 1901 census with their 4 children, the oldest one born in January of 1886, so I suspect the marriage in either late 1884 or early 1885. The census also gives me their birth dates, James in 1866 and Flora in 1864. I have no info on James Franklin prior to his marriage except that family legend says he was an orphan from somewhere "up north", so any info on this man from an earlier date would be helpful, especially birthplace and any info on parents. There is only one James Franklin near the right age in the 1881 census but he is near Hamilton so I don't think that's the one I'm looking for. I don't even know where the marriage took place, although it would likely have been in either of the locations below, depending on which Flora Campbell was the bride. Flora Campbell was the daughter of either Donald & Betsy Campbell of Collingwood twp, Grey cty. or Duncan & Flora Campbell of Nottawasaga twp, Simcoe cty. I'm not sure which one she is as there is a Flora in each household, one 16 years old and the other 17 in the 1881 census, so either is a possibility. Once I have the marriage info I will finally know for sure. If SKS could check this out for me I would really appreciate it. Janice Franklin in BC

I am looking for any info on John Camack and Artemesia Gibson. They married in Port Perry, Durham county in 1882. John was the son of John and Ann Camack and was born in Darlington township. Artemesia was the daughter of John and Ann gibson and was born in Reach Township, Ontario. I can find no trace of them after their marriage and the only Camack in the 1891 census is in Euphrasia, Grey County. If anyone knows of this family or has cemetery inscritions for that area, I would appreciate hearing from them. Any clue would be a help. Elizabeth Gibson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Hi All I was just wondering if anyone would have access to informaiton on individuals in the Grey County area who may have had a legal name change, or someone who may have information on where I would look for this information.. What I am looking for is an individual who would have changed his name to Daniel Johnston sometime around 1902. I believe that his former name may have been Daniel McPherson, or Daniel Crone. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks Cindy in Saskatchewan