Thank you to all who answered my inquiry. It is most appreciated. JOyce

Greetings, John George HAY, b. April 7, 1855 in Woodstock, Ontario, son of James HAY and Jessie BAIN HAY, natives of Scotland, married Maud MERRITT, dau. of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas MERRITT, on January 17, 1883 at Norwich, Ontario. John HAY was a furniture manufacturer with his brother-in-law under the name of BAIN and HAY in Woodstock, then founder and honorary president of North American Bent Chair Company in Owen Sound, Ontario. If you are researching this family, please contact me as I have a rather lengthy newspaper account of this couple's golden wedding anniversary in 1933. Lois McNaught

Does anyone know how I could obtain a copy of a death record for Cartwright Twp in Durham County? Who do I write to and can it be obtained through the Access to Information route? Your help is appreciated Thank you. Joyce in Saskatchewan

I am trying to track Edward CONNOR, b about 1839, Ontario. I believe his father was William CONNOR, born abt 1817 in Ireland. Edward CONNOR married Sarah Ann ROBINSON about 1858 in Ontartio. Edward and Sarah CONNOR came to B.C. in about 1877 and are found in 1881 living with Samuel ARMOUR who was a farmer in Bentinck Township before coming to B.C. According to family history the ARMOUR and CONNOR families were friends in Bentinck and travelled to B.C. together. The family of Edward Connor and Sarah Robinson included: Samuel R., Eliza Jane, Emily, Harriet, Caroline and Edward Arthur all born between 1859 and 1875 and John Connor born abt 1878 in B.C. I am hoping to find someone researching this CONNOR family or anyone with any info which may be of interest to me. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Fraser Valley

I am researching the George Wright (1854)/Isabella Dow(1863): William Knox/Catharine Thin: Joseph Black (1824)/Henrietta McMurdo(1805): and John Dresser(1869)/Hannah Pipher families. Any information regarding these families would be most welcome. Thank You, D. Wright

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Sorry for the inconvenience Julie I had this virus on my computer so you might also. Please check and sorry if it was me who propagated it. > > A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. Since you are in my address > book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too. The > virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus > systems, or VET to date. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging > the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book, > whether or not you send emails to your contacts. Here's how to check the > virus and how to get rid of it. > > > YOU MUST DO THIS > > > Go to Start, Find or Search option > In the file folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe > Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders, and any other drives > you may have. > Click "find now" > The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT > Go to Edit (on the menu bar), choose "select all" to highlight the file > without opening it. > Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select Delete. It will then go to the > Recycle Bin. Delete it again in your Recycle Bin. > > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS > BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. To do this, > > a) Open a new email message > > b) Click the icon of the address book next to the "TO" > > c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" > > d) Copy this message, enter subject paste to email. > > The whole process takes just a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Note for some of you this is a repeat message and I hope you have already > solved this. > My apologies. Dianne ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here

This appears to be a hoax. Check www.symantec.com/avcenter/vnc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html Don't delete anything from your computer before checking with Symantec. -----Original Message----- From: Julie McLeod [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Grey Co.] Virus Alert I received this e-mail today. I followed the steps below and found that my system DID have the virus and now want to make sure that all of your systems are checked. Thankfully it is easy to remove. Sorry for the inconvenience Julie I had this virus on my computer so you might also. Please check and sorry if it was me who propagated it. > > A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. Since you are in my address > book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too. The > virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus > systems, or VET to date. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging > the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book, > whether or not you send emails to your contacts. Here's how to check the > virus and how to get rid of it. > > > YOU MUST DO THIS > > > Go to Start, Find or Search option > In the file folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe > Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders, and any other drives > you may have. > Click "find now" > The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT > Go to Edit (on the menu bar), choose "select all" to highlight the file > without opening it. > Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select Delete. It will then go to the > Recycle Bin. Delete it again in your Recycle Bin. > > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS > BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. To do this, > > a) Open a new email message > > b) Click the icon of the address book next to the "TO" > > c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" > > d) Copy this message, enter subject paste to email. > > The whole process takes just a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Note for some of you this is a repeat message and I hope you have already > solved this. > My apologies. Dianne ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I received this e-mail today. I followed the steps below and found that my system DID have the virus and now want to make sure that all of your systems are checked. Thankfully it is easy to remove. Sorry for the inconvenience Julie I had this virus on my computer so you might also. Please check and sorry if it was me who propagated it. > > A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. Since you are in my address > book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too. The > virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus > systems, or VET to date. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging > the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book, > whether or not you send emails to your contacts. Here's how to check the > virus and how to get rid of it. > > > YOU MUST DO THIS > > > Go to Start, Find or Search option > In the file folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe > Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders, and any other drives > you may have. > Click "find now" > The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT > Go to Edit (on the menu bar), choose "select all" to highlight the file > without opening it. > Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select Delete. It will then go to the > Recycle Bin. Delete it again in your Recycle Bin. > > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS > BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. To do this, > > a) Open a new email message > > b) Click the icon of the address book next to the "TO" > > c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" > > d) Copy this message, enter subject paste to email. > > The whole process takes just a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Note for some of you this is a repeat message and I hope you have already > solved this. > My apologies. Dianne ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here

This is a hoax! jdbgmgr.exe is a Windows system file necessary to your computer's operating system. Everyone has this file. Do not delete it!!!!!

The way you've written this would make it appear that he was 65 years old, obviously too young for the Civil War. If it was written as veteran of '65, it would make more sense. It's most likely that he was a veteran of '66, the Fenian Raids. This was the usual way of referring to those who served. The Fenians began threatening in 1865 but I don't think any raids are recorded until CampoBello in 1866. Ridgeway was the most famous raid of course. I would more likely assume the entry to be a typo and try the Fenian info first. If he had served in the US, it would have been referred to differently. No individual years were referred to when mentioning service. He would have been a veteran of the Civil War, the War between the States, the War against the Southern Insurrection, etc. If you decide to go with the US assumption, you'll have to check all the northern States as there are estimates of as many as 60,000 Canadians joining up and each State had many enlistments. The most popular were Michigan, Ohio, New York, Maine, Pennsylvania, Vermont but I've seen a lot of listings in Maryland, New Jersey, etc. Some had Canadian regiments. J Krug Tavistock Web Site - http://www.Tavistock.net Tavistock E-mail Addy - [email protected] Tavistock Mail List Submission- [email protected] Tavistock Mail List Subscribe- [email protected] To make a Donation: https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=admin%40tavistock.net&item_name=Tavis tock+Gen+Site&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=CAD Genealogical data from the 3 county area. -----Original Message----- From: Patricia [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Grey Co.] Edward McMahon I am wondering if anyone can tell me anything about an Edward McMahon who spent most of his life in Grey Co., Ontario, Canada. His obituary stated: Hanover Post Thurs. July 8, 1920 Ayton: Died at Lockport, NY, Mr. Ned McMahon, an old war veteran of 65 and pioneer settler of Normanby. His remains were sent to Ayton and internment took place on Saturday. Rev. Father Halm of the Ayton R.C. Church conducted the obsequies. War veteran of 65 would mean he fought in tha States I would assume?? Anyone know how I would go about tracing information about this? My Cornelius McMahon settled in the same town in Ontario and I am hoping to find a connection between the two families. Patricia in Alberta ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003

Hi Ida I checked both the Egremont history and Bethel to Boothville and there isn't anything directly connected - certainly not a family write up :>( I see the following in the online Islay OPRs Children of Alexander McIntyre and Flora McEachern Diana b 12 Nov 1846 bapt 5 Nov 1850 John b 3 Nov 1848 bapt 5 Nov 1850 Gilbert b 1 Feb 1851 bapt 4 Mar 1851 I checked the online Islay deaths but don't see any to children of Alex and Flora. Ina the 1851 Bruce & Grey Census Index: Alex McIntyre, farmer, b SCT 29, marr, b Highlands, NAC m/film C11723 or LDS film 0349208 pg 15 (note census is recorded in reverse order) If this is the same family, then they would also be in the Islay 1851 census. (I lucked out that way with my g-g-grandparents) In the 1871 index: Alexander McIntyre, 49, b Sct, farmer, NAC m/film C-9950 Sub Dist B Div 1 pg 28 Since there is a consistency of age in the censuses indicating a DOB @1822 for Alex, I looked at the OPR births again and see the following: Children of John McIntyre and Marrion McIntyre Alexander b 18 Apr 1823, bapt 23 Apr 1823 Kilchoman Gilbert b 20 Feb 1825, bapt 13 Mar 1825, Kilchoman Betsey b 20 Apr 1827, bapt 8 Jul 1827 Kilchoman Ann b 24 May 1829 bapt 21 Jun 1829, Kilchoman Nicol b 20 Feb 1832 bapt 10 Jun1832, Kilchoman Thomas R. b 26 May 1834 Bowmore, Kilarrow Parish - possible? Duncan b 8 Mar 1835 bapt 19 Jul 1835 Kilchoman Next I checked "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada Before Confederation" Vol 2 by Donald Whyte, pg 202 (should have done this first!) 5848 McIntyre, Alexander, called Sandy, from Is Islay, ARL, s/o John and Marion M. To Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ont, 1851, loc Lot 9 Con 6, farmer, m Flora McEachern, qv. ch. Going back to the Egremont history with its lovely map on the inside cover, Alex's land is labelled with his name and it appears that he had 250 acres. Since it is closely located to Woodland Church, I checked the BGOGS Woodland cemetery records: 233 Ann d 2 Jan 1888, 62, Islay Alex d 18 Mar 1856, 60 234 James Henry infant s/o Alex & Isabella d 25 Dec 1863, 3 dys 236 Sarah w/o Alex Hermiston d 27 Aug 1904, 50 Peter T 1856-1936 237 James s/o Alexander & Flora d 23 Oct 1872, 14 yrs 238 Nichol s/o Nichol & Ellen b 12 Nov 1867 d 31 Dec 1870 Nichol d 20 Apr 1903, 83 yrs, native of SCT 239 John d 28 Aug 1880, age 92, Argyllshire his w Catherine McCaul d 20 Mar 1878, 82 Nathaniel Sivell s/o Joseph & Mary McIntyre d 4 Aug 1877, 4 yrs Lot 9 Con 6 is near the community of Riverside and also SS No 5 school - there is a school group photo circa 1898 pg 181 that includes some McIntyres. Cheerio Sue Visser PS there is N. McIntyre on the map located at L8 con 4 just south of Alex on Con 6. PPS: For those folks with Isle of Islay roots, there is an Islay list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-ISLAY.html This is a very active list with a hard working group of members who have transcribed many records and sources of information. The original list master, Steve Gilchrist, co-ordinated these transcriptions and a variety of other goodies and placed them on his website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm The present list master, Ted Larson, is carrying on the same tradition of hard work and has co-ordinated OPR BMDs and other data at http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/

I am wondering if anyone can tell me anything about an Edward McMahon who spent most of his life in Grey Co., Ontario, Canada. His obituary stated: Hanover Post Thurs. July 8, 1920 Ayton: Died at Lockport, NY, Mr. Ned McMahon, an old war veteran of 65 and pioneer settler of Normanby. His remains were sent to Ayton and internment took place on Saturday. Rev. Father Halm of the Ayton R.C. Church conducted the obsequies. War veteran of 65 would mean he fought in tha States I would assume?? Anyone know how I would go about tracing information about this? My Cornelius McMahon settled in the same town in Ontario and I am hoping to find a connection between the two families. Patricia in Alberta

Hi Sylvia Do you belong to other rootsweb mailing lists ? Are you experiencing the same problem ? Check your settings for the e-mail program your using. I use netscape for my e-mail and use these settings under edit-preferences, formatting, convert message to plain text.. I'm sure you'll find something similar in yours. If the problem persists please contact me privately. later list mom Ida "sylvia.wood" wrote: > > I CAN'T OPEN THESE ATTACHMENTS. WHAT PROGRAM DO I NEED

Any help on the following would be appreciated. August 9th,1983. : On my way home from an OCPA meeting I dropped in to see Marjorie, she talked about great aunt Ida (Stephens) Nigh, and her daughter Elva, who Marjorie said she had been named after. The Nighs were located near Chatsworth, Ontario, Grey county. (In another file I have been working on the descendents of Samuel Stephens and Amelia David). Seldon Parker, Oakwood, ON ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:02 AM Subject: CAN-ONT-GREY-D Digest V03 #160

I CAN'T OPEN THESE ATTACHMENTS. WHAT PROGRAM DO I NEED ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: CAN-ONT-GREY-D Digest V03 #159

I am looking for info on the Bailey family of Bentinck Township. Isaac Bailey was born in 1861 to John Bailey and Nancy Barber. At some point the family moved to Manitoulin Islans where Isaac married Mary Ellen Gibson. Robert Bailey (possibly Isaac's brother) was born in 1865 in Bentinck Township. He married Caroline Gibson, Mary Ellen's sister. Any info on the family would be mos appreciated. Elizabeth Gibson _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

August 21, 2003 I would like to contact anyone who has information about the family of Philip Stroh who was murdered at his farm in Carrick Township, Bruce County, in 1934 or about the murder itself. His wife was Mary (nee Hopf). Mary Hopf came from Normanby Township in neighbouring Grey County. I am not sure about the origins of the Stroh family. I would appreciate any assistance possible. Thank you very much. Don C. Orth Ottawa, Ontario.

Hi There Is anyone researching the Farley family of the Sydenham and Owen Sound area? In particular I am looking for a David Farley born in the 1850's or a Joseph Farley (perhaps David's father). Thanks Donna

Hi All While reading articles from Hurry to Bruce Alberta. I noticed an item regarding John McIntyre who was the second son of Alex and Flora (McEachern) McIntyre they had nine children. It states that he was born in Sct 1848 and later emigrated to Egremont twp. near Mt. Forest Ont. In the 1881 Census Place: Egremont, Grey South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375896 NAC C-13260 Dist 154 SubDist E Div 2 Page 29 Family 126 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Alexander MCINTYRE M M 57 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Flora MCINTYRE F M 58 Scottish Scotland Religion: C. Presbyterian Peter MCINTYRE M 25 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Nicol MCINTYRE M 17 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Farmer'S Son Religion: C. Presbyterian Gilbert MCINTYRE M 30 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Farmer'S Son Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine Ann MCINTYRE F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Betsy MCINTYRE F 15 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian In the article it mentions that John named his home Kilchoman Lodge at Bruce Alta. In the 1992 version of the IGI on fische I found a marriage of Alexander McIntyre and Flora McEachern December 7, 1848 in Kilchoman, Argyll 7435236, 41 Also I located John McIntyre chrst: November 5, 1850 in Kilchoman, Argyll 7435235, 97 Gilbert McIntyre chrst: March 4, 1851 in Kilchoman, Argyll 7435235, 94 So this John appears to be good fit to the family in 1881. If anyone has an Egremont history book or the 1871 census could you please lookup Alex and family for me.. thanks Ida