Thank you very much, Marg. I did not have William R. death before, but I did have a note that it was after 1915, turns out it was 1915. I can't recall why I knew that he was alive in 1915. I wonder how much more information I might get from his death certificate. Yes, you have the correct 1881 and 1901 Censuses for William and Jane. I am quite sure you are right about William Jr. as well, although his age doesn't agree with the 1881 Census. That is not unusual. I didn't have his wife and children's names before. After all, it is Morden, and that is where my grandfather was supposed to be born in 1885. Also, says William was born in Ont. Did you notice that is says Spruce instead of Spence, I was confused about that before. Thanks again. Peggy From: "marg mcfarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Hi: > > The Ontario place locator: > > http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/search.html > > has only this entry: > > Billing's Bridge, Gloucester Township, Carleton County (Currently Exists) > > You can search and order copies online of Manitoba births, marriages, > deaths up to certain years at this page: > > http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php > > but it might be cheaper to go to your local LDS Family History centre and > get the reg's through them. I assume this is William's death: > > LAST NAME: JOHNSTON > GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM R > DATE OF DEATH: 11/07/1915 > AGE: 84 > UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M > PLACE OF DEATH: MORDEN > REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,210036 > > You can order that online from the site above if you choose. > > I assume this is the 1881 census entry to which you refer: > > William JOHNSTON M Male Irish 49 O <Ontario> > Farmer Presbyterian Canada > Jane JOHNSTON M Female Irish 27 Ireland > Presbyterian Canada > Walter JOHNSTON Male Irish 9 O <Ontario> > Presbyterian Canada > Belinda JOHNSTON Female Irish 18 O > <Ontario> Presbyterian Canada > William JOHNSTON Male Irish 10 O <Ontario> > Going To School Presbyterian Canada > Horrice JOHNSTON Male Irish 6 O <Ontario> > Going To School Presbyterian Canada > Allan JOHNSTON Male Irish 4 O <Ontario> > Violet JOHNSTON Female Irish 2 Manitoba > Gertude JOHNSTON Female Irish <1 Born: Aug; 8/12 > Manitoba > Source Information: > Census Place Dufferin, Marquette, Manitoba > Family History Library Film 1375919 > NA Film Number C-13283 > District 186 > Sub-district H > Division 1 > Page Number 32 > Household Number 186 > > Go to your local LDS family history centre to find the marriage of William > and Jane as well as their death registrations, birth registrations for > their kids, etc The death registrations of William and Jane may give > their parents' names. Try to find a marriage registration for Belinda and > that may contain the name of her mother. Find the birth reg for Walter > and that should give mother's name. The kind volunteers will be able to > help you with this. To find a centre near you: > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp > > This may be William, Jr. and family on the 1901 Manitoba census at > www.automatedgenealogy.com : > > District: MB LISGAR (#7) > Subdistrict: Morden (Village) N-1 Page 15 > Image: View the image using a split screen or > new window: large medium small MrSid > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 > > Johnston Wm M Head M Sep 27 1862 born ONT, > blacksmith, Presbyterian > Johnston Fanny F Wife M Apr 28 1866 born > ONT > Johnston Marshall** M Son S Oct 12 1889 > Johnston Nellie F Daughter S Aug 2 1892 > Johnston Olive F Daughter S Mar 11 1893 > Johnston Tabitha F Daughter S 1895 > Johnston Fanny F Daughter S Jun 29 1897 > Johnston Florence? F Daughter S Apr 15 1900 > All kids born Manitoba. > **Birth Index entry gives name as Mary Marshall Johnston, b. October 12, > 1890, RM South Dufferin, MB, female, mother Fannie Johnston, reg number > 1890-002453. > > William and Jane and family in 1901: > > District: MB LISGAR (#7) > Subdistrict: Stanley H-4 Page 1 > Image: View the image using a split screen or > new window: large medium small MrSid > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 > > Johnson William M Head M Apr 14 1831 ONT > Prebyterian Farmer > Johnson Jane R F Wife M Apr 24 1855 IRE > Emig 1862 > Johnson Walter M Son S Jun 24 1872 ONT > Johnson Alan M Son S Jul 9 1876 ONT > Johnson Cora M F Daughter S Jul 6 1882 MAN > Johnson Armon H M Son S Apr 8 1885 MAN > Johnson James B M Son S Jan 8 1889 MAN > > Here is James birth reg index entry which you can order the full reg > online: > > http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php > > LAST NAME: JOHNSTON > FIRST NAME: BENJAMIN JAMES > DATE OF BIRTH: 01/08/1889 > PLACE OF BIRTH: RM S DUFFERIN SEX: M > REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1889,004280 > MOTHER'S DETAILSMaiden Last Name: SPRUCE Given Names: JANE RUSSELL > > Here is the family on the 1911 census: > > 1911 / Manitoba / MacDonald / 27 Township 5 in ranges 3 / page 10 > > Section 31 - 5 - 2 > > Johnston Alen Forest M Head M Jul 1876 34 > ONT Farmer > Johnston Ethel F Wife M Nov 1884 26 ONT > Johnston Gertrude L????? F Daughter-in-law S Dec > 1905 MAN > Johnston Florance Hazel F Daughter-in-law S Nov 1907 > MAN > Johnston William R. M Father M Apr 1831 80 > ONT Retired > Johnston Jane Russell F Mother M Apr 1857 57( > Age and year of birth given don't match up) born Ireland, emig 1864? > (hard to read) > > Some websites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/ > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ > http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/ > http://www.bytown.net/ > http://www.afhs.ab.ca/data/ontario/censuses.html > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ogspi/welcome.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ongenpro/census/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~births/index.htm > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/deaths.htm > > That's about all that I can find online. You really do need to go to the > Family History Centre near you and likely you will find a lot more info on > your families. > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "p&rgordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 PM >> Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell >> Spence >> >> >>> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William >>> Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. >>> 1875, he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as >>> on the 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and >>> Jane was 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone >>> find a record of his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove >>> that the William born in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. >>> They were both Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I >>> don't know where, on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if >>> Jane was really born 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 >>> according to the census, so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone >>> find William and Jane's marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan >>> Forest Johnson, born in Billings Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who >>> died in Carman, Manitoba. William and Jane moved there later on. There ! >>> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >>> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find >>> out more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >>> Peggy >>> >>> >>> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>> someone may have the answer to add to your >>> family group sheets >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. 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