Hi Peggy: Or she died after the online Manitoba death reg's are cut off, which is 70 years ago, abt 1936. Do you have them on the 1911 census?: Province: Manitoba District: Lisgar District Number: 17 Sub-District Number: 8 Census Year: 1911 Page: 6 Household Members: Name Birth Year William Hamilton 1855 Velendal Hamilton 1863 Evan Hamilton Jr. 1884 Clementina Hamilton 1886 Gatinde F Hamilton 1889 Wett M J Hamilton 1891 William C Hamilton 1892 Hanna W Hamilton 1895 Annie M Hamilton 1901 John A Hamilton 1904 Walter Johnston 1872 I won't type it all out but this is the index entry and from it you should be able to find them on the original page at www.archives.ca. Note that the names are the way they are indexed on Ancestry, not the way they may actually be interpreted by those who are familiar with the family. Best of luck, Marg p&rgordon wrote: > Hi Marg, > I was thinking what a brilliant idea, about finding a death > registration for Velinda. I knew that the family had moved to > Manitoba and she was married there in 1883 to William Hamilton. The > last child that I have was born in 1895. So I went on the Manitoba > Vital Statistics site to find her death, after 1895 and nothing. She > either left the province, or remarried. Or is still alive at 143 - > just joking! > I will keep trying. > Thanks > Peggy > ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" > <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born > April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, > > >> Hi Peggy: >> >> No sorry I don't as I can only access Ontario birth reg's from 1869 >> onward. I did look at all the Johnston and variations Wesleyan >> Methodist Baptisms online just in case, and did not find her: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/wm-index.htm >> >> If you can find a death reg somewhere for her that might give you >> parental and birth info. >> >> Marg >> >> p&rgordon wrote: >> >>> Hi Marg, >>> Thank you very much for all this. I did have the marriage of Hannah >>> and William, stating parents James and Jane Raine. Therefore, I >>> wonder if the censuses with James could be Hannah's brother rather >>> than father, as the James on the 1881 census is born about 1834 and >>> Hannah about 1841, according to the marriage info. Same with the >>> death info on James. But thank you anyway. It all helps and I do >>> appreciate it. Do you have any means to find out about the birth of >>> Velinda Johnston, about 1863? Parents William and whoever (probably >>> Hannah). >>> Peggy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" >>> <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> >>> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, >>> born April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, >>> >>> >>>> Hi Peggy: >>>> >>>> I imagine you already have this: >>>> >>>> Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record >>>> about Hannah Rain >>>> Name: Hannah Rain >>>> Birth Place: Gloucester Township Residence: Gloucester Township >>>> Age: 19 Father Name: James Rain Mother Name: Jane Rain Estimated >>>> Birth Year: 1841 Spouse Name: William Johnston >>>> Spouse's Age: 26 Spouse Birth Place: Gloucester Township Spouse >>>> Residence: Gloucester Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1834 >>>> Spouse Father Name: James Johnson Spouse Mother Name : Margaret >>>> Johnson Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1860 >>>> Marriage Place: Ottawa Marriage County: Carleton Family History >>>> Library Microfilm: 1030062 >>>> From the child James' birth reg: >>>> >>>> Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record >>>> about James Henry Raine >>>> Name: James Henry Raine >>>> Date of Birth: 2 Oct 1870 >>>> Gender: Male Birth County: Carleton Father's Name: William >>>> Johnston, Ottawa, mechanic and saw filer >>>> Mother's Name: Hannah Adevin Raine >>>> Physician: Dr. Van Courtlandt >>>> Roll Number: MS929_1 Reg/ #019824 >>>> >>>> Adevin looks to be Hannah's middle name, not a surname. >>>> >>>> Here is James Raine: >>>> >>>> Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record >>>> >>>> County of Carleton, Division of Ottawa >>>> Name: James Raine >>>> Death Date: 15 Apr 1902 >>>> Death Location: 364 Slater?(Registrar's handwriting is awful!) >>>> Ottawa, Carleton Occupation: Ex-policeman >>>> Marital Status: Married Religion: Protestant >>>> Gender: Male Age: 67 years >>>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Birth Location: Carleton County,Ont >>>> Cause: Bright's disease, 2 years >>>> Physician & Informant: Dr. James Seager >>>> Reg #006819 April 16, 1902 >>>> >>>> Have you ordered/viewed this 1871 census entry in case it is your >>>> William? If his birth year was off by 4 years on the marriage >>>> entry, perhaps it was also off by 4 years the other direction on >>>> the census: >>>> >>>> Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) >>>> >>>> JOHNSON , WILLIAM >>>> >>>> Sex: Male >>>> Age: 44 >>>> Birthplace: ONTARIO >>>> Religion: Church of England, Anglican >>>> Origin: IRISH >>>> Occupation: FARMER >>>> District: CARLETON ( 078 ) >>>> Sub-district: Huntley ( G ) >>>> Division: 1 >>>> Page: 10 >>>> Microfilm reel: C-10,016 >>>> Reference: RG31 -- Statistics Canada >>>> >>>> The Raine's in 1901 and the Robertsons are in the same household: >>>> >>>> 1901 Census of Canada Page Information >>>> District: ON OTTAWA (City/Cité) (#100) >>>> Subdistrict: St. George (Ward/Quartier) E-4 Page 6 >>>> Images are from National Archives Web Site >>>> Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6488 >>>> >>>> Raine James M Head M Aug 9 1834 ON >>>> Presbyterian Bailiff >>>> Raine Isabella F Wife M Oct 28 1841 >>>> Robertson Ettie F Head W Jan 3 1868 >>>> Gov't painting bureau >>>> Robertson Mary Gertrude F Daughter S Apr 27 >>>> age 10 Can't read birth location Robertson Mary Catherine F >>>> Daughter S Dec 7 age 7 same Robertson Mary Lillian F >>>> Daughter S Sep 4 age 4 same >>>> >>>> In 1881: >>>> >>>> James RAINE M Male English 44 O. >>>> <Ontario> Labourer C. Presbyterian >>>> Isabela RAINE M Female Scottish 37 O. >>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>> James RAINE Male English 13 O. >>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>> Anna RAINE Female English 11 O. >>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>> John RAINE Male English 8 O. >>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>> Mary RAINE Female English 6 O. >>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>> George RAINE Male English 3 O. >>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>> >>>> Source Information: >>>> Census Place Wellington Ward, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario >>>> Family History Library Film 1375865 >>>> NA Film Number C-13229 >>>> District 105 >>>> Sub-district A >>>> Division 2 >>>> Page Number 26 >>>> Household Number 127 >>>> >>>> Marg >>>> >>>> p&rgordon wrote: >>>> >>>>> William R. is my g grandfather. He was born April 14, 1831. It >>>>> is my belief that he first married Hannah Adwen Raine in 1860. His >>>>> parents on the entry are given as James Johnson and Margaret >>>>> Johnson (note no "t" in Johnson) , but the age is 26, rather than >>>>> 30. I think it is him but am not 100% sure. Hannah died on >>>>> January 28, 1871 and an infant son died in 1871, supposedly at age >>>>> of 10 days. However, I wonder if the age is 100 days, as I found >>>>> the birth of James Henry Raine Johnston, Oct 2, 1870, with parents >>>>> William and Hannah Adevin. I know there was a James and Jane Raine >>>>> living in the same area at that time, and Hannah who married >>>>> William Johnston is their daughter, so think that Adevin is >>>>> incorrect. As for James Henry , if he died 10 days into 1871, he >>>>> would be 100 days old. I know for sure that he married my g >>>>> grandmother Jane Russell Spence, but not sure when. I think it was >>>>> later in 1871, possibly Sept. as Walter was born June 1872. Can >>>>> anyone find this second marriage in particular? Or tell me more >>>>> about the first marriage. One clue might be that I know that >>>>> William had a daughter Velinda E. (Belinda) from his first >>>>> marriage so if her birth was found (about 1863), it might have the >>>>> mother's name. Velinda is with William and Jane Russell on a later >>>>> census in Manitoba and she is only 9 years younger than Jane so >>>>> cannot be her biological daughter. Same with a son William born >>>>> about 1870. >>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>> Peggy >>>>> >>>>> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>>>> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>>>> someone may have the answer to add to your >>>>> family group sheets >>>>> >>>>> ============================== >>>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, >>>>> find >>>>> marriage announcements and more. 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Hi, It took me a while to find it but it was extremely interesting. One thing, Velinda is listed as Scotch, and her half-brother Walter is Irish. If they have the same father, shouldn't they be the same nationality. Of course, censuses can be wrong. As for translation, I think Evan is really Eva A. (as in Agness), Gatinde is Gertrude, Wett is Nettie. Handwriting can be rather difficult. Then I found them on the 1906, and several of the children seemed to be using their middle names. Makes it interesting. At least now I know their middle names whereas before I only had an initial. Thanks to you I now have a few more children for Velinda. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, > Hi Peggy: > > Or she died after the online Manitoba death reg's are cut off, which is 70 > years ago, abt 1936. > > Do you have them on the 1911 census?: > > Province: Manitoba District: Lisgar District Number: 17 Sub-District > Number: 8 Census Year: 1911 Page: 6 Household Members: Name Birth Year > William Hamilton 1855 Velendal Hamilton 1863 Evan Hamilton Jr. 1884 > Clementina Hamilton 1886 Gatinde F Hamilton 1889 Wett M J Hamilton 1891 > William C Hamilton 1892 Hanna W Hamilton 1895 Annie M Hamilton 1901 John A > Hamilton 1904 Walter Johnston 1872 > I won't type it all out but this is the index entry and from it you should > be able to find them on the original page at www.archives.ca. Note that > the names are the way they are indexed on Ancestry, not the way they may > actually be interpreted by those who are familiar with the family. > > Best of luck, > > Marg > > > > p&rgordon wrote: > >> Hi Marg, >> I was thinking what a brilliant idea, about finding a death registration >> for Velinda. I knew that the family had moved to Manitoba and she was >> married there in 1883 to William Hamilton. The last child that I have >> was born in 1895. So I went on the Manitoba Vital Statistics site to >> find her death, after 1895 and nothing. She either left the province, or >> remarried. Or is still alive at 143 - just joking! >> I will keep trying. >> Thanks >> Peggy >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" >> <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> >> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born >> April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, >> >> >>> Hi Peggy: >>> >>> No sorry I don't as I can only access Ontario birth reg's from 1869 >>> onward. I did look at all the Johnston and variations Wesleyan >>> Methodist Baptisms online just in case, and did not find her: >>> >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/wm-index.htm >>> >>> If you can find a death reg somewhere for her that might give you >>> parental and birth info. >>> >>> Marg >>> >>> p&rgordon wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marg, >>>> Thank you very much for all this. I did have the marriage of Hannah >>>> and William, stating parents James and Jane Raine. Therefore, I wonder >>>> if the censuses with James could be Hannah's brother rather than >>>> father, as the James on the 1881 census is born about 1834 and Hannah >>>> about 1841, according to the marriage info. Same with the death info on >>>> James. But thank you anyway. It all helps and I do appreciate it. Do >>>> you have any means to find out about the birth of Velinda Johnston, >>>> about 1863? Parents William and whoever (probably Hannah). >>>> Peggy >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" >>>> <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> >>>> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born >>>> April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Peggy: >>>>> >>>>> I imagine you already have this: >>>>> >>>>> Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record >>>>> about Hannah Rain >>>>> Name: Hannah Rain >>>>> Birth Place: Gloucester Township Residence: Gloucester Township Age: >>>>> 19 Father Name: James Rain Mother Name: Jane Rain Estimated Birth >>>>> Year: 1841 Spouse Name: William Johnston >>>>> Spouse's Age: 26 Spouse Birth Place: Gloucester Township Spouse >>>>> Residence: Gloucester Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1834 >>>>> Spouse Father Name: James Johnson Spouse Mother Name : Margaret >>>>> Johnson Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1860 >>>>> Marriage Place: Ottawa Marriage County: Carleton Family History >>>>> Library Microfilm: 1030062 >>>>> From the child James' birth reg: >>>>> >>>>> Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record >>>>> about James Henry Raine >>>>> Name: James Henry Raine >>>>> Date of Birth: 2 Oct 1870 >>>>> Gender: Male Birth County: Carleton Father's Name: William Johnston, >>>>> Ottawa, mechanic and saw filer >>>>> Mother's Name: Hannah Adevin Raine >>>>> Physician: Dr. Van Courtlandt >>>>> Roll Number: MS929_1 Reg/ #019824 >>>>> >>>>> Adevin looks to be Hannah's middle name, not a surname. >>>>> >>>>> Here is James Raine: >>>>> >>>>> Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record >>>>> >>>>> County of Carleton, Division of Ottawa >>>>> Name: James Raine >>>>> Death Date: 15 Apr 1902 >>>>> Death Location: 364 Slater?(Registrar's handwriting is awful!) >>>>> Ottawa, Carleton Occupation: Ex-policeman >>>>> Marital Status: Married Religion: Protestant >>>>> Gender: Male Age: 67 years >>>>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Birth Location: Carleton County,Ont >>>>> Cause: Bright's disease, 2 years >>>>> Physician & Informant: Dr. James Seager >>>>> Reg #006819 April 16, 1902 >>>>> >>>>> Have you ordered/viewed this 1871 census entry in case it is your >>>>> William? If his birth year was off by 4 years on the marriage entry, >>>>> perhaps it was also off by 4 years the other direction on the census: >>>>> >>>>> Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) >>>>> >>>>> JOHNSON , WILLIAM >>>>> >>>>> Sex: Male >>>>> Age: 44 >>>>> Birthplace: ONTARIO >>>>> Religion: Church of England, Anglican >>>>> Origin: IRISH >>>>> Occupation: FARMER >>>>> District: CARLETON ( 078 ) >>>>> Sub-district: Huntley ( G ) >>>>> Division: 1 >>>>> Page: 10 >>>>> Microfilm reel: C-10,016 >>>>> Reference: RG31 -- Statistics Canada >>>>> >>>>> The Raine's in 1901 and the Robertsons are in the same household: >>>>> >>>>> 1901 Census of Canada Page Information >>>>> District: ON OTTAWA (City/Cité) (#100) >>>>> Subdistrict: St. George (Ward/Quartier) E-4 Page 6 >>>>> Images are from National Archives Web Site >>>>> Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6488 >>>>> >>>>> Raine James M Head M Aug 9 1834 ON >>>>> Presbyterian Bailiff >>>>> Raine Isabella F Wife M Oct 28 1841 >>>>> Robertson Ettie F Head W Jan 3 1868 Gov't >>>>> painting bureau >>>>> Robertson Mary Gertrude F Daughter S Apr 27 age >>>>> 10 Can't read birth location Robertson Mary Catherine F Daughter >>>>> S Dec 7 age 7 same Robertson Mary Lillian F Daughter >>>>> S Sep 4 age 4 same >>>>> >>>>> In 1881: >>>>> >>>>> James RAINE M Male English 44 O. >>>>> <Ontario> Labourer C. Presbyterian >>>>> Isabela RAINE M Female Scottish 37 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> James RAINE Male English 13 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> Anna RAINE Female English 11 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> John RAINE Male English 8 O. <Ontario> >>>>> C. Presbyterian >>>>> Mary RAINE Female English 6 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> George RAINE Male English 3 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> >>>>> Source Information: >>>>> Census Place Wellington Ward, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario >>>>> Family History Library Film 1375865 >>>>> NA Film Number C-13229 >>>>> District 105 >>>>> Sub-district A >>>>> Division 2 >>>>> Page Number 26 >>>>> Household Number 127 >>>>> >>>>> Marg >>>>> >>>>> p&rgordon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> William R. is my g grandfather. He was born April 14, 1831. It is >>>>>> my belief that he first married Hannah Adwen Raine in 1860. His >>>>>> parents on the entry are given as James Johnson and Margaret Johnson >>>>>> (note no "t" in Johnson) , but the age is 26, rather than 30. I >>>>>> think it is him but am not 100% sure. Hannah died on January 28, >>>>>> 1871 and an infant son died in 1871, supposedly at age of 10 days. >>>>>> However, I wonder if the age is 100 days, as I found the birth of >>>>>> James Henry Raine Johnston, Oct 2, 1870, with parents William and >>>>>> Hannah Adevin. I know there was a James and Jane Raine living in the >>>>>> same area at that time, and Hannah who married William Johnston is >>>>>> their daughter, so think that Adevin is incorrect. As for James Henry >>>>>> , if he died 10 days into 1871, he would be 100 days old. I know for >>>>>> sure that he married my g grandmother Jane Russell Spence, but not >>>>>> sure when. I think it was later in 1871, possibly Sept. as Walter was >>>>>> born June 1872. Can anyone find this second marriage in particular? >>>>>> Or tell me more about the first marriage. One clue might be that I >>>>>> know that William had a daughter Velinda E. (Belinda) from his first >>>>>> marriage so if her birth was found (about 1863), it might have the >>>>>> mother's name. Velinda is with William and Jane Russell on a later >>>>>> census in Manitoba and she is only 9 years younger than Jane so >>>>>> cannot be her biological daughter. Same with a son William born >>>>>> about 1870. >>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>> Peggy >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>>>>> someone may have the answer to add to your >>>>>> family group sheets >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, >>>>>> find >>>>>> marriage announcements and more. 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Hello. I was never positive that I had the correct William that was married to Hannah Raine in Gloucester Twp, Carleton Co., However, now I am. Using the 1901 and 1911 Censuses, along with the Manitoba Vital Statistics site, I found that one of Velinda's children had a middle name of Raine. Since Velinda was from his first marriage, I think that is the final proof that we have the correct marriage with the correct William. There are a lot of Williams out there, and a lot of Johnstons. Thanks for the help. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, > Hi Peggy: > > Or she died after the online Manitoba death reg's are cut off, which is 70 > years ago, abt 1936. > > Do you have them on the 1911 census?: > > Province: Manitoba District: Lisgar District Number: 17 Sub-District > Number: 8 Census Year: 1911 Page: 6 Household Members: Name Birth Year > William Hamilton 1855 Velendal Hamilton 1863 Evan Hamilton Jr. 1884 > Clementina Hamilton 1886 Gatinde F Hamilton 1889 Wett M J Hamilton 1891 > William C Hamilton 1892 Hanna W Hamilton 1895 Annie M Hamilton 1901 John A > Hamilton 1904 Walter Johnston 1872 > I won't type it all out but this is the index entry and from it you should > be able to find them on the original page at www.archives.ca. Note that > the names are the way they are indexed on Ancestry, not the way they may > actually be interpreted by those who are familiar with the family. > > Best of luck, > > Marg > > > > p&rgordon wrote: > >> Hi Marg, >> I was thinking what a brilliant idea, about finding a death registration >> for Velinda. I knew that the family had moved to Manitoba and she was >> married there in 1883 to William Hamilton. The last child that I have >> was born in 1895. So I went on the Manitoba Vital Statistics site to >> find her death, after 1895 and nothing. She either left the province, or >> remarried. Or is still alive at 143 - just joking! >> I will keep trying. >> Thanks >> Peggy >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" >> <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> >> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born >> April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, >> >> >>> Hi Peggy: >>> >>> No sorry I don't as I can only access Ontario birth reg's from 1869 >>> onward. I did look at all the Johnston and variations Wesleyan >>> Methodist Baptisms online just in case, and did not find her: >>> >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/wm-index.htm >>> >>> If you can find a death reg somewhere for her that might give you >>> parental and birth info. >>> >>> Marg >>> >>> p&rgordon wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marg, >>>> Thank you very much for all this. I did have the marriage of Hannah >>>> and William, stating parents James and Jane Raine. Therefore, I wonder >>>> if the censuses with James could be Hannah's brother rather than >>>> father, as the James on the 1881 census is born about 1834 and Hannah >>>> about 1841, according to the marriage info. Same with the death info on >>>> James. But thank you anyway. It all helps and I do appreciate it. Do >>>> you have any means to find out about the birth of Velinda Johnston, >>>> about 1863? Parents William and whoever (probably Hannah). >>>> Peggy >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" >>>> <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> >>>> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born >>>> April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Peggy: >>>>> >>>>> I imagine you already have this: >>>>> >>>>> Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record >>>>> about Hannah Rain >>>>> Name: Hannah Rain >>>>> Birth Place: Gloucester Township Residence: Gloucester Township Age: >>>>> 19 Father Name: James Rain Mother Name: Jane Rain Estimated Birth >>>>> Year: 1841 Spouse Name: William Johnston >>>>> Spouse's Age: 26 Spouse Birth Place: Gloucester Township Spouse >>>>> Residence: Gloucester Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1834 >>>>> Spouse Father Name: James Johnson Spouse Mother Name : Margaret >>>>> Johnson Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1860 >>>>> Marriage Place: Ottawa Marriage County: Carleton Family History >>>>> Library Microfilm: 1030062 >>>>> From the child James' birth reg: >>>>> >>>>> Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record >>>>> about James Henry Raine >>>>> Name: James Henry Raine >>>>> Date of Birth: 2 Oct 1870 >>>>> Gender: Male Birth County: Carleton Father's Name: William Johnston, >>>>> Ottawa, mechanic and saw filer >>>>> Mother's Name: Hannah Adevin Raine >>>>> Physician: Dr. Van Courtlandt >>>>> Roll Number: MS929_1 Reg/ #019824 >>>>> >>>>> Adevin looks to be Hannah's middle name, not a surname. >>>>> >>>>> Here is James Raine: >>>>> >>>>> Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record >>>>> >>>>> County of Carleton, Division of Ottawa >>>>> Name: James Raine >>>>> Death Date: 15 Apr 1902 >>>>> Death Location: 364 Slater?(Registrar's handwriting is awful!) >>>>> Ottawa, Carleton Occupation: Ex-policeman >>>>> Marital Status: Married Religion: Protestant >>>>> Gender: Male Age: 67 years >>>>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Birth Location: Carleton County,Ont >>>>> Cause: Bright's disease, 2 years >>>>> Physician & Informant: Dr. James Seager >>>>> Reg #006819 April 16, 1902 >>>>> >>>>> Have you ordered/viewed this 1871 census entry in case it is your >>>>> William? If his birth year was off by 4 years on the marriage entry, >>>>> perhaps it was also off by 4 years the other direction on the census: >>>>> >>>>> Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) >>>>> >>>>> JOHNSON , WILLIAM >>>>> >>>>> Sex: Male >>>>> Age: 44 >>>>> Birthplace: ONTARIO >>>>> Religion: Church of England, Anglican >>>>> Origin: IRISH >>>>> Occupation: FARMER >>>>> District: CARLETON ( 078 ) >>>>> Sub-district: Huntley ( G ) >>>>> Division: 1 >>>>> Page: 10 >>>>> Microfilm reel: C-10,016 >>>>> Reference: RG31 -- Statistics Canada >>>>> >>>>> The Raine's in 1901 and the Robertsons are in the same household: >>>>> >>>>> 1901 Census of Canada Page Information >>>>> District: ON OTTAWA (City/Cité) (#100) >>>>> Subdistrict: St. George (Ward/Quartier) E-4 Page 6 >>>>> Images are from National Archives Web Site >>>>> Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6488 >>>>> >>>>> Raine James M Head M Aug 9 1834 ON >>>>> Presbyterian Bailiff >>>>> Raine Isabella F Wife M Oct 28 1841 >>>>> Robertson Ettie F Head W Jan 3 1868 Gov't >>>>> painting bureau >>>>> Robertson Mary Gertrude F Daughter S Apr 27 age >>>>> 10 Can't read birth location Robertson Mary Catherine F Daughter >>>>> S Dec 7 age 7 same Robertson Mary Lillian F Daughter >>>>> S Sep 4 age 4 same >>>>> >>>>> In 1881: >>>>> >>>>> James RAINE M Male English 44 O. >>>>> <Ontario> Labourer C. Presbyterian >>>>> Isabela RAINE M Female Scottish 37 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> James RAINE Male English 13 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> Anna RAINE Female English 11 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> John RAINE Male English 8 O. <Ontario> >>>>> C. Presbyterian >>>>> Mary RAINE Female English 6 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> George RAINE Male English 3 O. >>>>> <Ontario> C. Presbyterian >>>>> >>>>> Source Information: >>>>> Census Place Wellington Ward, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario >>>>> Family History Library Film 1375865 >>>>> NA Film Number C-13229 >>>>> District 105 >>>>> Sub-district A >>>>> Division 2 >>>>> Page Number 26 >>>>> Household Number 127 >>>>> >>>>> Marg >>>>> >>>>> p&rgordon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> William R. is my g grandfather. He was born April 14, 1831. It is >>>>>> my belief that he first married Hannah Adwen Raine in 1860. His >>>>>> parents on the entry are given as James Johnson and Margaret Johnson >>>>>> (note no "t" in Johnson) , but the age is 26, rather than 30. I >>>>>> think it is him but am not 100% sure. Hannah died on January 28, >>>>>> 1871 and an infant son died in 1871, supposedly at age of 10 days. >>>>>> However, I wonder if the age is 100 days, as I found the birth of >>>>>> James Henry Raine Johnston, Oct 2, 1870, with parents William and >>>>>> Hannah Adevin. I know there was a James and Jane Raine living in the >>>>>> same area at that time, and Hannah who married William Johnston is >>>>>> their daughter, so think that Adevin is incorrect. As for James Henry >>>>>> , if he died 10 days into 1871, he would be 100 days old. I know for >>>>>> sure that he married my g grandmother Jane Russell Spence, but not >>>>>> sure when. I think it was later in 1871, possibly Sept. as Walter was >>>>>> born June 1872. Can anyone find this second marriage in particular? >>>>>> Or tell me more about the first marriage. One clue might be that I >>>>>> know that William had a daughter Velinda E. (Belinda) from his first >>>>>> marriage so if her birth was found (about 1863), it might have the >>>>>> mother's name. Velinda is with William and Jane Russell on a later >>>>>> census in Manitoba and she is only 9 years younger than Jane so >>>>>> cannot be her biological daughter. Same with a son William born >>>>>> about 1870. >>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>> Peggy >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>>>>> someone may have the answer to add to your >>>>>> family group sheets >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, >>>>>> find >>>>>> marriage announcements and more. 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