Greetings all. Attempts to informally obtain responses from Brian Tobin and Anne McLellan giving clarification of Brian Tobin's announced "broad based discussions with all Canadians" regarding public access of Historic Census Records have been abysmal failures. Neither response, nor acknowledgement of receipt of correspondence has been forthcoming. This afternoon I mailed two Access to Information Requests -- one to Statistics Canada for Brian Tobin, and one to the Department of Justice for Anne McLellan. I copy below the text of the ATI request to Statistics Canada. The request to the Department of Justice, while worded differently, seeks the same information. These requests were sent via Canada Post's ExpressPost and should be received no later than Tuesday next week. The respective departments have 30 days from the date of receipt to respond. We await that response with great interest and anticipation. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ======================================= 10 August 2001 ATIP Coordinator Statistics Canada Pamela White R.H. Coats Bldg., 25-B Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0T6 Ms White. The Honourable Brian Tobin, Minister of Industry, and Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, on 15 December 2000, released to the public the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records commissioned by his predecessor, the Honourable John Manley. He did so on Day 89 of the 90-day period within which he was required by law to do so because of an Access to Information Request made by myself. In making the Report of the Expert Panel public, Mr. Tobin at the same time dismissed the recommendations contained therein, and issued a News Release stating: ". further broad based consultation with all Canadians is needed. This consultation will take place as part of the already announced administrative and legislative review of the Access to Information and the Privacy Acts." On 26 March 2001 your correspondent took part in roundtable discussions conducted under the auspices of the Access to Information Act Review Task Force. This is the body charged with undertaking the "already announced administrative and legislative review of the Access to Information .Act." At the end of the day, those of us whose primary interest was in regaining public access to Historic Census records were pulled aside by observing members of the ATIA Review Task Force. We were advised that perhaps the ATIA Review was not the best route to take to achieve that goal. We were further advised: * Not to expect much to be said about public access to Historic Census Records in the Final Report of the ATI Act Review Task Force. * A review of, and recommendations regarding, public access to Historic Census Records did not form a part of the mandate of the ATI Act Review Task Force. * Members of the ATI Act Review Task Force had never been advised that a review of, and subsequent recommendations relating to, public access of Historic Census Records should be considered by them. * A review of the Privacy Act was not, and has never been, a part of the mandate of the ATI Act Review Task Force. This advice, coming from observing members of the ATIA Review Task Force, is obviously at odds with the statement contained in the 15 December 2000 News Release of Mr. Tobin. On 26 March 2001 I directed an email to Mr. Tobin advising him what we had been told by observing members of the ATIA Review Task Force. I made a number of points and asked some questions, requesting a personal response from Mr. Tobin that would clarify the situation. On 29 April 2001 I directed another message to Mr. Tobin. It was sent via email, fax, and Canada Post. This message requested a response to my first email as well as other information relating to the "broad based consultation with all Canadians" announced by Mr. Tobin. I again requested a personal response from Mr. Tobin. To date, now approaching five months since sending my original message regarding this subject (26 march 2001), Mr. Tobin has neither responded to my stated concerns, nor has he or his staff had the courtesy to even acknowledge receipt of them. On 2 June 2001, following a number of long distance telephone calls to the Office of the Minister, I sent a third email message requesting responses from, or at least acknowledgement of receipt, of the previous two messages. Some ten days later I received an acknowledgement of this message from Mr. Paul Parent, A/Manager, Executive Correspondence and Records. This acknowledgement did not respond to the concerns expressed in the previous letters. It simply stated: "On behalf of the Honourable Brian Tobin, we wish to acknowledge receipt of your recent Internet message. Minister Tobin appreciates receiving your correspondence." I quite frankly doubt that Minister Tobin "appreciates" receiving my correspondence. It is doubtful that he has even seen, or been advised of it. It is obvious that I will likely not, via informal requests, receive any response to my concerns relating to the announced "further broad based consultations with all Canadians" in regards public access to Historic Census Records. This letter, therefore, is to be considered a formal Request for Information under Access to Information legislation. I have enclosed herein a check for the requisite fee for such a Request. In relation to the above I seek to obtain any and all documentation, including email, letters, memoranda, notes about conversations, or other, between Brian Tobin as Minister of Industry or his staff, and; Anne McLellan -- Minister of Justice or her staff, employees of Justice Canada, Dr. Ivan Fellegi -- Chief Statistician of Canada, employees of Statistics Canada, The Honourable Lucienne Robillard -- President of the Treasury Board of Canada, Madame Andrée Delagrave - Chair of the ATIA Review Task Force, members of that Task Force, and/or any other bodies or persons; relating to any public consultations and/or review of public access to Historic Census Records and recommendations regarding the various legislation pertaining thereto, in particular the Access to Information Act. I further seek any and all similar documentation between the above individuals, and any other bodies or persons, relating to any similar review of the Privacy Act. I seek specifically to be advised as to where, when, and by whom "further broad based discussions with all Canadians" relating to public access of Historic Census Records have been, or are to be, held. I further seek to be advised as to when the results of any such "discussions" will be made known to the public. I seek the truth. This ATI Request has been directed to Statistics Canada. It is expected that, as per the ATI Act, should another department, or departments, be better able to fulfill my request, it shall be so directed to that other department or departments. A request similar to this one has been directed to Justice Canada and the Minister thereof, the Honourable Anne McLellan. Thank you. Gordon A. Watts, Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee

Forwarded for Gordon Watts -- may be translated and forwarded Greetings All. Just a short note to advise that recent updates to the Post 1901 Census Project website have just been loaded. They include links to extracts of several media reports not previously shown, and many more links to other websites having information relating to Census. If you have submitted a request for a reciprocal link to your website, and it is not included with this update, please contact me again regarding this. MPs and Senators Scoreboards and Correspondence Logs have been updated and more to come. Please copy your letters to MPs and Senators, and more importantly their responses, to me so that they can be added to the Correspondence Logs and the Scoreboards updated. Also added, on the Petitions page, is a colourful letter sized poster, in PDF format, that has been developed for use with Post 1901 Census Petitions. Download and distribute it freely wherever petitions have been posted. Petitions continue to come in almost daily. These are very important to demonstrate to the government that the people of Canada wish to regain public access to Historic Census Records. Please continue to collect signatures on these petitions. The next batches of petitions will be sent in about the time Parliament reconvenes in September. The interest and support of all is appreciated. With your assistance we will achieve our goal of regaining public access to Historic Census Records. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

To all:- We have more census motions and bills than the ones by Senator Lorna Milne (Bill S-12) and Murray Calder (Bill C-312). Cheryl Gallant was mentioned in Hansard as follows:- M-238 - February 6, 2001 - Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew--Nipissing--Pembroke) - On or after Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - That, in the opinion of this House, the government should allow the transfer of all census records from Statistics Canada to the National Archives of Canada for permanent safekeeping, and access to records should be given to genealogists and other researchers 92 years after the census, subject to a privacy right that allows individuals to object to the disclosure of personal information in the census records. However, to date, Ms. Gallant has not asked for assistance -- but may be obtaining it from her OGS Branch. It will still be Gordon Watts collecting the House of Commons petitions, while I have the Senate and Non-Residential ones, in both languages. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm

My O'NEILL people originally settled in Buckingham and Eganville but many moved to Ottawa. Some of the surnames they married into were MCMILLAN, SLATTERY, KILBY, CAVAN, DANA, McCOY, LYNCH, FORBES, FANNING, CAMERON, TELFORD, SPOONER, MILLS, ROCHE, McNAMARA, HAZELTON, McDONNELL (OR MACDONALD) I'd love to hear from anyone who is connected in any way. Alex Davidson, Cromarty, Scotland

Dear List Members, Will those with KEALEYS in their data bases please check to see if they have a Daniel among them? He was born around 1817, probably in Ireland. Thanks in advance. Peace, Jean

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My gt gt grandmother was Jane Carter who married Dennis Cavanagh 10 Feb 1823 according to the Perth, Lanark Co, Parish Register. Jane and Dennis were actually residents of Huntley Twp or Fitzroy Twp at the time of their marriage. I believe Jane was a daughter of George Carter who is listed in the 1822 Head of Household Census for Upper Canada, Carleton Co, Huntley Township as having a wife and 4 sons and 2 daughters. The same census lists William Carter, single, Head of Household. I would appreciate hearing from any one who has further info on Jane Carter, her siblings, ancestors, or descendants. John Carruthers Victoria BC Bracky@telus.net

Hello, I am looking for more information on how I would be able to look at Police Court records from 1919. My great grandfather Edward Desormeaux was working on tearing down the "old" Creighton Street Public School in Ottawa, or at least I assume it was Ottawa as an article appeared in the Ottawa Journal on May 17, 1919 telling of the court case that followed. Anyways while working on the school early in the morning on May 7, 1919 he fell off of the roof and was killed. Now I am looking for on how I can obtain copies of the court case that followed after his death, to determine whether or not the contractor of the demolistion was responsible for his death, or to pay the cost of whatever needed to be paid. Do these records still exsit:? ifso doesn anyone know how I can obtain them? I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia so I would have to obtain copies through the mail! Does the Ottawa Police force keep files from its court cases? Any help would be appreciated, I can offer help for anyone who can help me here in Halifax, if needed. Thanks Nathaniel Smith

Hello, I am looking for someone who would be able to do an obituary look up for me!! My father was born in Ottawa in 1952, and his family is still living there. I am looking for the obituary of Jane Matilda Schroeter, wife of Herbert George Smith. she was originally born in england, but she died at Oxford Mill, Ontario in at the age of 96, which would be about 1978 or 1979. I don't know where Oxford Mills is in Ontario as I have only been to Ottawa once in my life. I currently live in Halifax, and have no way to do research in Ontario. If someone can help me I would very much appreciate it. Thank you. Nat Smith Halifax, Nova Scotia

To all:- Although Gordon Watts has not been tabulating House of Commons petitions, and I have not been tabulating Senate petitions, we are keeping all of these safely. Members of House of Commons and Senate will not be back in Ottawa until Sept. 19th -- Gordon has been camping and I will be in Nova Scotia Aug. 14-25 (all questions to him during that period, please). Every weekend when families gather is a great time to add signatures and add to the total received to date and on hand. In Canada, download both House of Commons and Senate -- either French or English. Non-Canadians use the Non-Resident form for the Senate. One person may sign BOTH House of Commons and Senate petitions Please try to have more than ONE signature on a petition -- we are still hopeful either the Ontario Genealogical Society or Quebec Genealogical Society will out-number ones from Alberta!! I have been assured Ross Milne will use either his Model T Ford or the Massey-Ferguson tractor to haul the huge stack up to Parliament Hill -- do not worry -- photographers would love the picture. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Please download the following: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm [You will also be able to get ADOBE ACROBAT free!] http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index_f.htm

09/20/2000 - extract from Hansard. MP Mac Harb speaks to MP Jason Kenney's Motion M-160. Mr. Harb presents an amendment to the Motion. To Mac Harb, MP (Ottawa Centre):- The above quote has been taken from your personal message board at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ONT Just click on your name to access messages. Although this is Parliamentary recess -- I am hoping to bring all dates of answers up to the present year -- which is 2001. I understand that you have a Bill or a Motion -- you never answered -- and if it is for release of Post-1901 Census, please let us know. Looking forward to an updated 2001 reply by email -- then I forward to Gordon Watts who updates the Scoreboard. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/

My naivete clicks in and his last paragraph: "I wish to assure you that I will wholeheartedly support any initiative of my colleague, the Honourable John Manley, Minister of Industry, concerning solutions to this particular problem. My preference if there is a legal framework to do so, would be a retroactive solution, and have the 1911 records released." (end quote.) To Eugene Bellemare, MP (Carleton-Gloucester):- The above quote is taken from your personal message board at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ONT The last date of any message was back in 2000 -- Are you still SUPPORTIVE of Post-1901 census release in 2001? Looking for a short e-mail -- which I will forward to Gordon Watts to bring your personal message board up-to-date. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/

Nancy, Hope this helps, Janis ------------------------ RIDEAU CIRCUIT BAPT. Meech, Geo Henry son of Samuel V. & Eliza b. 3 Sept 1838, bp 14 Sept 1838 Meech, Samuel Asa son of Samuel & Hannah born Oxford and baptized 22 May 1843 ---------------------- JOHNSTOWNE DISTRICT MAR. REG. Samuel Niles Meech & Eliza English, 26 Nov 1835, wit; Thomas Buck, & Daniel Buck ---------------------- BATHHURST DISTRICT MAR. REG., John Gordon & Margaret Meech, both of Hull, 19 Jan 1841, in Bytown, wit; John Wyatt & Eph'm Chamberlain ---------------------- Meech wrote: > Hello, Listers! I am new to this list, and am looking for descendants of Rev. Asa Meech, one of the original settlers of the Meech Lake area, around 1824. I have read that some of his descendants lived in the Carleton area, and around Hull, Smith's Falls, Old Chelsea, etc. > > Could someone tell me if I am writing to the correct list, or should I be writing to the general Ontario list - or perhaps the Quebec list? > > My husband is a descendant of Charles Meech, one of Rev. Asa Meech's sons by his third marriage. > > I would appreciate any help. Thank you. Nancy Meech in Hampton, N.B. > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Please feel free to contact me at: > CAN-ONT-CARLETON-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Dear Carleton County List Members, Is there anyone who can help me with my ancestor, Catherine COLLINS? She was born about 1817 and married Daniel Caley/Kealy/Kelly (we're still working on that one) about 1838. They had several children baptized at St. Michael's, Corkery, up until 1850. Can anyone tell me if this Catherine was the child who arrived on the Stakesby with her family (father Cornelius) in 1823 as Peter Robinson Settlers? The Catherine Collins of our family line used six of the names that were used in the Collins family that arrived on the Stakesby. Their children's sponsors in baptism included Arthur, Daniel, and Ann Collins. I am eager to know if there is any connection. This family came from Glanmile, Cork, Ireland, and settled in Goulbourn Twp. Also, can anyone confirm who this Catherine married? I have information to share on this family after they left Canada. Peace, Jean

To all:- Regardless of how their constituents feel about release of Post-1901 census records, there are SIX (6) with huge Red X's on Ontario Scoreboard http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ONT Constituents of one riding are enraged the elected Member of Parliament did not consider their feelings and hope to do something about it. The list includes:- Roy Cullen (Etobicoke North) <Cullen.R@parl.gc.ca> Paul DeVillers (Simcoe North) <DeVillers.P@parl.gc.ca> Carolyn Parrish (Mississauga Centre <Parrish.C@parl.gc.ca> David Pratt (Nepean-Carleton) <Pratt.D@parl.gc.ca> Julian Reed (Halton) <Reed.J@parl.gc.ca> Scott Reid (Lanark-Carleton) <Reid.S@parl.gc.ca> You will also note that some with a Blue ? have not had the courtesy to reply since April 1999 -- a wee while ago. Please copy me in on any letters so these can be posted for others to read. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Campaign http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/

Hello, Listers! I am new to this list, and am looking for descendants of Rev. Asa Meech, one of the original settlers of the Meech Lake area, around 1824. I have read that some of his descendants lived in the Carleton area, and around Hull, Smith's Falls, Old Chelsea, etc. Could someone tell me if I am writing to the correct list, or should I be writing to the general Ontario list - or perhaps the Quebec list? My husband is a descendant of Charles Meech, one of Rev. Asa Meech's sons by his third marriage. I would appreciate any help. Thank you. Nancy Meech in Hampton, N.B.

Hi to All, These are my surnames I am searching in the Ottawa area, mostly CARLETON. SURTEES, DOLE, ELLIOTT, WOTLEY,HILLMAN,CUMMINGS. If anyone searching these surnames, please contact me. Willing to share my data. may contact me at <Dotemorris@aol.com> Thanks in advance. Dorothy E. Morris Whitby On Can.

Hi Everyone I am researching the families of - Thomas Garvin (Girvin) (Girvan) m. Anne Jane Proctor (d. 1871). They migrated circa 1820 from Armagh, Ireland to Concession 9, lot 9 in Goulbourn Township. - Alexander Boyd (b.1821) in County Antrim and migrated in 1841 to 3rd line Huntley. In 1842 he married Margaret Dorning, daughter of Hugh Dorning. Would like to hear from anyone who knows about these 2 families. Nancy M.

These are the people I'm looking for: Stewart, Peter and Christian, came from Scotland on the ship 'Dorothy' 1815. Lived at Breadalbane, Glengarry, Ontario. Sample, Samuel received a land grant from George IV, names daughter Mary Ann as his heir. wife (?) was Jane Lees. He died in 1841 in Goulbourn. Beyer, Ferdinand came to US from Switzerland early 1800's. Lived at Carleton Place where he was part owner of the Gillies-Beyer Central Canada Machine Works at Carleton Place. One of his sons was Charles Werner Beyer. Is buried at Smiths Falls Also, could someone advise me of some places to do research in when my husband and I go to Toronto in November? Thanks. Susan K. Spies

I am looking for a hughes family beleive came from Ireland/scotland. Joseph Hughes married mary and came to new york area . grandmother matilda (tillie) d. hughes born in ottawa but not sure. roman catholic. was one of 9 children others being florence alice mae rose margaret elizabeth theresa and one son walter. grandmother born mid to late 1890's Mary may have been french canadian. and may have been born 1860's if anyone has any info email me greeenis@aol.com thanks Jeannie