After months & months of trying to find out anything on Turnbull Elder & family I have to-day came across him in the 1851 census for Roxburgh Scotland. He had a daughter's Margaret born 1844 Roberton Roxburgh Rachel born 1847 in Southdean Roxburgh John born 1850 Hobkirk. To look for Margaret & John which are common names in the family is almost impossible task. I've tried looking for Rachel but found nothing on her in Scotland. I was told that the family moved to Canada Galt Ontario. I hope with a name like Rachel Elder someone may be able to help me climb over this brick wall or give me a leg up. Thanks Bob Elder North East of England From Little seeds Large Family Tree's Grow & Headache's

To all:- There seems to be a great deal of confusion, especially among the Somcoe transcribers, where to place the finished product so all may be able to view the same. Some seem to be against Automated Genealogy -- which is still in TEST stage -- possibly hoping to see if there is sufficient power for the onslaught if all of us tried researching at one time. I have heard there is a SURNAME site -- no extra data. Several other sites have been mentioned and apparently there seems to be no control or suggestion as to final whereabouts. I am only writing to the above lists -- as I administer these lists -- but hopefully other lists will tell us where data is being posted -- for example, YORK, DURHAM, etc. To date, more work is needed to finish the 1901 census, and I believe the AFHS is finishing the 1906 with only Saskatchewan finished. After working for all of the researchers for over seven years to get the 1911 and later census records passed, I definitely would hate to have a real mess of the transcribing. Could we have a list of WHERE finished pages are being posted, and we hope this includes Automated Genealogy -- easy to search. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, Peel Co., ON

I suggest both messages be printed -- at least we now know the meaning of the numbers!! Also Gordon has checked the problem re errors by using one of his family names. Also, another message that might be repeated. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: 1911 Census - Corrections to LAC web pages Greetings All. It would appear that a number of listers have misunderstood my earlier message wherein I gave contact information to report errors on the Library and Archives Census access pages. Some researchers have not understood the difference between 'archival records' (i.e. the scanned images of Census schedules) and 'database entries' (i.e. the HTML coded web pages developed by LAC). Library and Archives Canada are unable to make corrections or changes of any kind to the scanned images of Census schedules (archival records). They should NOT be notified about what you believe to be errors in the original scanned images. An example of what NOT to inform LAC about would be something like the following fictitious report (based on an actual message following my original post): "It is for Magnificant Valley, McKenzie North, about the last page. Living with Phillip Watts and his wife Dorothy is her mother who is Elizabeth 'PERRIN'. It is for family 123. She is listed as 'PERIN', Elizabeth, born 16 December 1916, age 84. The other info is correct, just her last name is incorrect." LAC should NOT be notified about the poor quality of some of the images. They are aware of this and have noted that in their preliminary information. They should likewise NOT be notified about errors in transcription or indexing. LAC does not transcribe or index the Census information other than by location through the lists of Census Districts and sub-districts. Errors in transcription or indexing should be reported to the group or organization that has done the transcription or indexing in question. LAC SHOULD be notified about obvious errors on the web pages (database entries), such as non-functioning links or links that go somewhere other than where they are supposed to. They should also be notified about incorrect spelling of place names etc., on the HTML programed web pages, that could lead to failures when doing a search using the proper spelling. As an example of this, I have seen a posting regarding a location in British Columbia. According to this posting, a place name was referred to on the LAC pages as ELKS, BC. In actual fact the name of the place is ELKO. A more recent posting refers to the spelling of WetaskIwin, Alberta. Apparently the LAC website has it spelled WetaskEwin. Ms. Gebert currently has an assistant responding to messages suggesting possible corrections to the web pages. The response will be a standard message thanking the researcher for the suggestion and informing them that their requested change will be verified and if necessary, changes to the database will occur. It should be noted that the LAC databases are loaded every three to four months so suggested changes will not instantly be reflected in the online public version. The contact again, for corrections is Victoria Gebert, at Victoria.Gebert@lac-bac.gc.ca Please ensure that you are asking for corrections or making suggestions for change on the 'databases' (i.e. HTML web pages) and NOT for the 'archival records' (i.e. scanned images of Census schedules). Enjoy the Census! Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

I suggest both messages be printed unless one has a better memory than I have -- re the numbers. Also, Gordon tested the changes using one of his family names - Perrin. This is also another message that might be repeated. Muriel M. Davidson Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: 1911 Census - Column 18 information Greetings All. I have received a partial answer from Library and Archives Canada to my question regarding the meaning of the numbers written in column 18 of the 1911 Census schedule. I copy below the pertinent portion of the message sent to me by Victoria Gebert. ========================== Good Morning Gordon The positive response to the Census of Canada, 1911 website has kept me very busy for weeks now. I am doing my best to respond and distribute all researchers enquiries and track all requested changes to the database and HTML pages. Please see below for responses to your email dated August 8th, 2005. Question One First of all, regarding column 18 of the 1911 Census. The numbers in column 18 were entered by the individuals preparing the census with coding for mechanical tabulation. We will be adding further information (see draft version below) to our contextual help early in September. ------------------------ 1911 Census - Column 18 For the first time in 1911, information taken for the census was compiled by mechanical appliances. Perforated cards were used to record more accurately information on occupations, using codes. However, it seems that it was not a great success and the system was changed in 1921. The use of this code is reflected in column 18. Genealogists will see numbers separated by hyphens. Example : 6-0-32, 6-6-32 or 6-9-32. The first part of the code refers to one of the general main divisions of occupations or industries as follows : 0 All agricultural 1 Building trades 2 Domestic and personal service 3 Civil and municipal government 4 Fishing and hunting 5 Forestry and lumbering 6 Manufactures - mechanical and textiles 7 Manufactures - Food and clothing 8 Mining 9 Professional 10 Trade and Merchandising 11 Transportation The second part of the code refers to the class of worker 0 Self-employed or owner of the business 6 Receiving wages 9 Employee The third part of the code refers to the trade. The numbers are from the "Index to occupations" based on the results of the Fourth census of Canada (1901). This publication apparently gave a list of the codes; however, we have been unable to locate this publication.. We have determined that number 32 is a blacksmith and 00 a farmer. ----------------------- On my return home near the end of the month I will be visiting the Vancouver Public Library and Simon Fraser University Library in an attempt to find the publication referred to. In the meantime, if any listers are able to determine from personal knowledge what trade their ancestor was, and what the corresponding code number is, please let me know or post to the Canada Census Campaign mail list. Enjoy the Census! Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/ en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted.

To all:- Although the 1901 census was released in 1993, and placed online at Automated Genealogy when the 1906 (three western provinces) census was released January 24, 2003 -- to date there are still needed transcriptions of all three. The AFHS (Alberta Family History Society) is doing a great amount of work, but even they report parts of 1901 and 1906 not finished. The images of the 1911 census have been made available at 1911 Census Images http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html Many report these are difficult to read -- no full date of birth. Hopefully the family has been in the same area for 10 years, so one can use 1901 Automated Genealogy to assist-- http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ As the Automated Genealogy is still in a TEST mode and may be possibly connected to Library and Archives Canada (LAC), many who have been transcribing will find the work on GenWeb sites. However, I sincerely hope it will also be placed on Automated Genealogy as this has all of Canada on one site. [Gordon deals with this part of the census work]. Please note the many untranscribed areas to date for 1911 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test4.jsp I will be doing both transcribing but mainly proofreading in my home area of Nova Scotia as I know the family names. Something new has been added -- blank census forms for transcriptions!!! Janice Bolton and Dennis Sharpe are both from United States, California and Missouri respectively; I believe Pierre Godin is from Canada -- has a bilingual form and there is a new one added today. 1901 and 1911 Blank Census Forms http://www.archivecdbooks.ca/downloads.html Go to above site, scroll down until you see CANADIAN CENSUS BLANK FORMS. It will be perfectly alright if all are copied to webpages as we copied the Census Logo in 2000 -- but I request credit be given to the designers by keeping the names on the forms, regardless of whether you change the access address. Several forms are for the 1901 census and balance for 1911, in both WORD and EXCEL. To date, there have been over 3,000 downloads according to Malcolm of Archived Books. Check for the memo posted earlier by Gordon Watts about whom to complain to should names, places, be incorrect. If necessary, we will post both of these again next week, due to vacation periods -- or missing them -- at present, please PRINT. Other people have asked for forms prior to 1901 - questions at http://simmons.b2b2c.ca/CENSINFO.htm -- found on http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm Hopefully we will still have eyesight after staring at the images -- look forward to the next ones -- they might be better!!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census En Anglais et Francais

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Victoria.Gebert@LAC-BAC.gc.ca>; "Gabrielle Blais" <gblais@archives.ca> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:07 PM Subject: Post 1901 Cenus - Reporting errors to LAC > Greetings All. > > A number of people have posted messages to the mail lists reporting finding > errors in the information provided by LAC for, in particular, the 1911 > Census records. Many have asked who they might report these errors to. > > I am advised that the person in LAC to report such errors to is Victoria > Gebert. She may be contacted at > > Victoria.Gebert@LAC-BAC.gc.ca > > PLEASE NOTE: Victoria is a contact to report obvious errors made by LAC > personel in setting up the Census web pages. Errors such as wrong spelling; > incorrect place names etc., that would cause problems for anyone doing a > search for a specific location; links going to the wrong location, etc.; > should be reported. Specific suggestions for improving the LAC Census pages > (not the scanned images) might be funnelled through her as well. > > Victoria is NOT a person to complain to about the poor quality of some of > the scanned images, or poor handwriting of the enumerators that make it > difficult to read. There is little that LAC can do about such problems as > they have had to work with microfilm that was produced in the 1950s and > there is only so much they can do with them. If the quality of the original > microfilm copy is poor, so will be the scanned images made from them. > > Likewise, Victoria is NOT someone to ask how to locate your ancestors in the > Census schedules, or how to navigate through the various Districts, > sub-districts, townships, sections and meridians. In most cases, any > questions regarding these can be answered by taking the time to read the > preliminary information provided by LAC on the Census pages. > > Please restrict your messages to Victoria to reporting PROBLEMS or ERRORS on > the Census pages. > > Enjoy the Census! > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-chair, Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census > en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > Permission to forward without notice is granted > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/05 > >

The following is from Malcolm from ACDB-Canada, and explains about our new plain forms for transcribers of the 1901 and 1911 census records. We do have a good supply from which to choose, and all may be posted on personal or genealogical sites. There has also been a request for OLDER forms with questions on http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm 1825 to 1901 http://simmons.b2b2c.ca/CENSINFO.htm Later:- http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/datalib/censusq.htm [Apologies for not knowing who posted the last site] All forms are available at http://www.archivecdbooks.ca/downloads.html Gordon is on vacation -- but has his laptop [SHHH!] so may take advantage of the new forms -- more to follow to help all. Let's work to finish the 1901, 1906 and the 1911 and remember Automated Genealogy is still only in TEST format -- some places are missing, but this will be corrected. Sincerely hope all post transcriptions to their GenWeb and to Automated Genealogy. which is attached to Library and Archives Canada. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee [A note of thanks to the ones designing the forms would be nice] -------Now on to the important message from Malcolm:- === Hi Again, There are now more choices on Canadian census forms thanks to Pierre Godin. Pierre has made an EXCEL format form which is a close copy of the actual census form. It has the headings in both English and French and there are 50 lines per page. Pierre also made a PDF format of his EXCEL form for those of you who would prefer to print out the form and fill it in by hand. Because the 50 line form was very cramped he cut the number of lines to 25 and it gives a little more room. It's still pretty compact though. There may be an MS Word version of David's EXCEL form coming but I'm still waiting on that. The forms are available from: http://www.archivecdbooks.ca/downloads.html go to the bottom of the page. It was getting a little confusing as to what form was what , so we've renamed the download links with the originators name and the following is what's now available: 1901 Download(32KB) Janice's MSWord format - this is a short form (major headings only.) 1911 Download(29KB) Janice's MSWord format - this is a short form (major headings only.) 1911 Download(40KB) David's Excel format - this is a long form (most headings) and is "wrapped'" so it fits the top and bottom halves of a single page. 1911 Download(33KB) Pierre's Excel format - this is a long form (all headings) and is a close simulation of the actual census form. 1911 Download(178KB) Pierre's pdf format - - this is a long form (all headings) but with only 25 lines - for printing only. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. Attn: Malcolm Moody - President P.O. Box 11, Manotick, Ontario, K4M 1A2, Canada. phone: (613) 692-2667 e-mail: malcolm@archivecdbooks.ca Canadian web site: http://www.archivecdbooks.ca Permission to repost this complete message onto other genealogy related newslists is granted.

Okay, thanks Jennifer. There are photo's of 6 Lanford stones in St. Thomas Anglican Cemetery in Torbolton which are not my Langfords. Janet, did you say John Langford and Charlotte Downy? They're here. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~snaylor/OntarioGraveMarkers/StThomasAnglican/StThomasAnglican2.HTM When I was doing a search I typed St. Thomas instead of St. James - lucky mistake for Janet. Just go to his gravemarker site and browse through for names or it you know the name of the cemetery it's easiest to just do a site search. Not a lot of cemeteries in Ontario on there yet but I love this internet source. Between it and Bytown or Bust I've found lots of interesting stuff. Shirley Jennifer Flegg <rootseeker@sympatico.ca> wrote: The St James Anglican Cemetery, just out of Carleton Place, in Lanark County is the one I am near. It is a very beautiful older place. A lot of stone have data on both sides. Some spots there look empty,but I found out it is because there are patches where there is simply not enough earth to dig, the stone is too close to the top to go down far enough. And truly, in some places the natural rock just crests the grass and peeks out. Beautiful old limestone! I have taken some pictures down there, as my husband has some ancestors there. It's a big place though, but not as big as some I've been to. Cheers Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The St James Anglican Cemetery, just out of Carleton Place, in Lanark County is the one I am near. It is a very beautiful older place. A lot of stone have data on both sides. Some spots there look empty,but I found out it is because there are patches where there is simply not enough earth to dig, the stone is too close to the top to go down far enough. And truly, in some places the natural rock just crests the grass and peeks out. Beautiful old limestone! I have taken some pictures down there, as my husband has some ancestors there. It's a big place though, but not as big as some I've been to. Cheers Jennifer

With credit to a posting on CAN-ONT-YORK mail list!! 1911 has been posted to the Automated Genealogy site http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test4.jsp Not too many provinces have data on them -- but I was thrilled to find Ned Croxon had completed the Western Head and part of Liverpool area of Nova Scotia. I see where I could assist with some proofreading as I knew the families -- I did not find my grandparents and family, but they would be listed in Liverpool. During high school in Liverpool, Annie Ritchie was a very good and thorough school teacher -- she is TWO years of age on the census record. SUGGESTION:- Many who have started transcribing and posting with the GenWeb sites continue to do so -- but could also have the same data on Automated Genealogy -- TWO places are better than none -- also protection against loss, etc. Thanks Ned -- wish I had your address!!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON -- formerly Liverpool, NS

Evening folks; I have noticed several recent postings about the topics included in this Carleton County list, and what people think of that. I for one am VERY glad the census info was posted here. This list is one of few resources I have found, for helping me nail down some details in my family research. To illustrate how important it is to MY family, census data in Canada and the UK, allowed me to find a cousin in the UK, who has been searching for my great-grandfather (ggf) for 30 years! If it wasn't for a post in a genealogical list such as this one, and census data available online, my cousin would still be searching for my ggf. My family in the UK had no idea where my ggf went. My family in Canada had very little info on my ggf's origins and family history. Of the family members I could utilize for genealogical information here in Canada, the two great Aunts I have left are both incapacitated, one with altzheimers and one who has had a stroke. My cousin literally cried when we finally connected and discovered we were indeed the same family. She said I made her day, week, and year <grin>. She is now hearing about the Dominion Police Force, the RCMP, and all sorts of Canadian and family history she had no idea about. Connecting with her also made my genealogical research much easier - heck I got a family tree back into the 1500's, and pictures of relatives that were unavailable here in Canada at all. A list like this serves many purposes to many people. IMHO the more open and tolerant the list is on various topics - the better we are all served by it. I do believe census data and information, are vital for genealogical research. Ocassionally having to hit delete for stuff on the list I can't use, is a wee small price to pay, for what has helped me and my family greatly in our research. Thanks to all who participate and share their knowledge here on the list. Marilyn Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Shirley: You are right the Langfords buried in the St. Thomas Anglican cemetery in Torbolton are related to me. John Langford and his wife Charlotte Downey and WH Downey, who I think is Charlotte's brother, are buried in this cemetery. There are other Langfords but I am not sure if I am related to them or not. Charlotte Downey is the sister to my great grandmother, Jemima Downey. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley MacNutt" <shirleymacnutt@yahoo.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Langford's in phone book > Thanks Jennifer! > > How kind of you. I've found an I. Langford on the 411 site and I'm going to give them a phone call. Hope they don't think I'm a nut *LOL* > > I'm skeptical about my family being Anglican. On the Census Silas Langford and family were Methodist. His grandparents were Anglican but all of the next generation seemed to change to Methodist or Presbyterian for some reason. I found Langfords in St. Thomas Anglican Cemetery in Torbolton. If it's St. Thomas Cemetery you are speaking of then the Langford's there are possibly Janet's line? The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid lists St. Thomas Cemetery as being in Torbolton. > > Shirley > > > Jennifer Flegg <rootseeker@sympatico.ca> wrote: > I live near Carleton Place, and on catching up to reading my emails, I > see a local search.... > I can look up Langford's in the phone book for you if that will help..... > I am also not far from the Anglican cemetery....a lovely one too.... > Cheers > Jennifer > > > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is the heritage of all people -- > History of the decade being researched helps us > understand how our ancestors lived and worked. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Remember -- no query is ever too small, > someone may have the answer to add to your > family group sheets > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Shirley: Thanks for your e-mail. Bytown or Bust is a co-operative repository of genealogical information. Anyone can contribute family history information (only up until about 1900, to avoid posting material regarding persons who may still be alive). The are also many persons who are interested in our local history and contribute material on subjects in their field of interest, such as the early lumber industry, persons who came here as parts of group settlements from Ireland, Scotland, etc. We're all amateurs who enjoy our history. You mentioned the history of Sandy Hill. It was contributed by Marc St. Pierre. He's also written a paper regarding the history of Lowertown. It's at www.bytown.net/lowertown.htm and there are other papers concerned with other neighbourhoods (Barrhaven, Upper Town, the Glebe, Westboro, etc.) Most of the towns and villages in the Ottawa, Rideau and Gatineau valleys also have their own web pages of history and genealogy on the site. I try and tie in the families of pioneers to a geographical area and it's historical context. For example, yesterday I was in Maniwaki and Mont Laurier. We have quite a few contributors from that area. It's famous for it's Algonquin history and the lumber industry and has many ties to Carleton County. The page is at www.bytown.net/maniwaki.htm and includes some photographs to try and make our history more realistic, not just names and dates. The web site is usually updated daily during the winter and less frequently during the summer. In the summer I make field trips to get photographs all over the area and to get out of the city. To see what's new, go to the top of the page at www.bytown.net and click on "What's New", just below the search engine. In order to provide a place for folks to commemorate their ancestors, we encourage people to send in old photographs, from the 1800's. Many people have found unknown photos of their GGrandparents through contacts made through our site. Also, there have been many family reunions arranged through the site -- family members from all over North America. Before we were Canadians, we were Irish Catholics, Irish Protestants, French, Scottish, American, Algonquin, Iroquois or English. Our history is very colourful (as you say, the Presbyterians considered the Methodists as "too rowdy"). All of the early groups were rowdy. To sum up, we are looking for people to contribute family history, local history and photographs / maps, etc. There are about a half dozen regular contributors (Taylor Kennedy for Nepean, Robert Sample for Richmond, Stittsville and Goulbourn Township, among others). Also many contributors from the USA. Our interest is in the entire Ottawa area, where they came from and where they migrated to. People can just send me an e-mail (ag.lewis@sympatico.ca) stating their surname interests and others researching the same surnames will probably be in touch. We're also trying to get more French history in this area, to post in either language. The Ottawa / Gatineau area was a small, close-knit community in the 1800's and there are lots of connections between us all. ... Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley MacNutt To: CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Bytown or Bust Site I use your site on a regular basis and have found a couple of things on my family but not a whole lot. Maybe I'm the only one researching it! I didn't realize I could contribute.. I've seen the Wright family tree on there, of course, but assumed it was on there because the Wright Family is prominent. I've commented on a couple of the pieces because my family line ran into others. What sort of information are you looking for? I just love your history lessons on the Ottawa area. That's how I found out that Concession eventually became Bronson Ave. I'm visual and the maps really helped. I howled with laughter at times reading the history of Sandy Hill. What I was looking for when I went to the Sandy Hill history was information on the cemeteries that were there and closed in 1911. I had family in the Scottish Presbyterian Cemetery that were moved to Beechwood and 3rd great grandparents that were moved to the Anglican Cemetery in Hull. The Scottish Presbyterians didn't even want the Methodists worshipping with them because they were "too rowdy"... I don't even want to think of what they thought of Anglican. They were from Scotland close to Hadrian's Wall and there was so much animosity between England and Scotland that I'm sure the Church of England was not popular back there. Thanks for all your work. Shirley Al Lewis <ag.lewis@sympatico.ca> wrote: Leslie: Here's an alternative to CAN-ONT-CARLETON. It's a web site which has about 850 pages of history and genealogy in the Ottawa area. It includes all of Carleton County. Since our ancestors from Carleton County often had relatives who settled nearby, including on the Quebec side, geographically the web site includes an area within a radius of about 100 miles of the Parliament Buildings as well as persons who migrated from this area to the U.S beginning in the 1850's. There are thousands of contributors to the web site and the collection of all of these family histories is documenting not just genealogies, but the history of our region. There is a search engine near the top of the main web page where you can search for ancestors, local geographic areas, etc. It works like a forum -- putting family researchers in touch with other. Everybody can contribute their 2 cents worth. The main web page is at www.bytown.net . The search engine is near the top of that page. Feel free to contribute material. We are always looking for family researchers and local historians. ... 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The following is thanks to The Brampton Guardian, August 3, 2005 ============= KOREAN WAR CEREMONY A ceremony commemorating the 52nd anniversary of the Korean War Armistice was held last Wednesday [July 27] at the Korean Veterans' National Wall of Remembrance in Brampton. Minister of Veterans Affairs Albina Guarnieri attended, along with Canadian veterans of the Korean War. A parade of colours, a wreath laying, a service and the singing of the Canadian and Republic of Korea national anthems were part of the ceremony. The local Korean community hosted a luncheon afterward and Guarnieri unveiled the third poster in the Year of the Veteran series, honouring Canadian veterans of the Korean War. - 30 - ============ For those who do not know, this national Wall of Remembrance is in Meadowvale Cemetery and one can catch a glimpse of the wall of remembrance on my personal homepage:- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/ Click on VETERAN TRIBUTE LINKS The Korean War Wall of Remembrance is the centre one http://www.cdli.ca/monuments/on/bramont1.htm Click on the POPPY to view the wall. To view the list of the 516 Canadians killed in the Korean War http://www.kvacanada.com/honour_roll.htm It is my hope to have a provincial listing in future of the 516 -- I believe Alberta already has their provincial listing. A single line beneath this IN MEMORY OF EDWARD is the story of my cousin Edward Clyde Benfold, Liverpool, Nova Scotia who enlisted in Camden, New Jersey. Land has been set aside in this cemetery for Korean War veterans to be buried near the Wall of Remembrance. I know there is a small tribute on Parliament Hill in a corridor, but is the Korean War part of the new War Museum? Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Brampton, ON --- formerly Liverpool, Nova Scotia

I use your site on a regular basis and have found a couple of things on my family but not a whole lot. Maybe I'm the only one researching it! I didn't realize I could contribute.. I've seen the Wright family tree on there, of course, but assumed it was on there because the Wright Family is prominent. I've commented on a couple of the pieces because my family line ran into others. What sort of information are you looking for? I just love your history lessons on the Ottawa area. That's how I found out that Concession eventually became Bronson Ave. I'm visual and the maps really helped. I howled with laughter at times reading the history of Sandy Hill. What I was looking for when I went to the Sandy Hill history was information on the cemeteries that were there and closed in 1911. I had family in the Scottish Presbyterian Cemetery that were moved to Beechwood and 3rd great grandparents that were moved to the Anglican Cemetery in Hull. The Scottish Presbyterians didn't even want the Methodists worshipping with them because they were "too rowdy"... I don't even want to think of what they thought of Anglican. They were from Scotland close to Hadrian's Wall and there was so much animosity between England and Scotland that I'm sure the Church of England was not popular back there. Thanks for all your work. Shirley Al Lewis <ag.lewis@sympatico.ca> wrote: Leslie: Here's an alternative to CAN-ONT-CARLETON. It's a web site which has about 850 pages of history and genealogy in the Ottawa area. It includes all of Carleton County. Since our ancestors from Carleton County often had relatives who settled nearby, including on the Quebec side, geographically the web site includes an area within a radius of about 100 miles of the Parliament Buildings as well as persons who migrated from this area to the U.S beginning in the 1850's. There are thousands of contributors to the web site and the collection of all of these family histories is documenting not just genealogies, but the history of our region. There is a search engine near the top of the main web page where you can search for ancestors, local geographic areas, etc. It works like a forum -- putting family researchers in touch with other. Everybody can contribute their 2 cents worth. The main web page is at www.bytown.net . The search engine is near the top of that page. Feel free to contribute material. We are always looking for family researchers and local historians. ... Al Lewis Ottawa www.bytown.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Many thanks, Janet!!! The bits and pieces re census will continue to be reported -- not as many as prior to release of the 1911 to 2001 census, but there is always something, it seems. Many have been added to the Canada Census Committee list as we have "inter-office" memos which never reach the mail lists -- all are Americans with Canadian heritage. At present I have received census forms for transcribing both 1901 and 1911 census in MSWORD and another one in EXCEL, being formatted in downloadable style for the 1911 census -- both senders live in United States. As for future work, if you read the column posted by gordon Watts, you will know there is a small box on the 2006 census, asking us if we desire to allow our family records revealed in 92 years!!! Should anyone state NO, these records are sealed. If box will be left blank, also NO. We will be working to let all Canadians know we want YES. RE the "topic" of the CARLETON mail list -- I believe history is part of genealogy -- it makes family history LIVE! Re the census records -- I also wanted them!!! Muriel -- List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet MacDonald" <jkmacd@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] 1911 census I hit the delete button if a message comes along that I am not interested or can not offer to help the person. It takes 2 seconds to delete any message of no interest. I appreciate the extra effort that Muriel and Gordon take to keep us informed. They have done an amazing amount of work and I thank them for it. The 1911 census release and further censuses are of great importance to me and my research. I am glad that people keep us up to date and I like to help in any small way that I can to keep the access to census records. Please keep posting about the census or other genealogical related topics as well as Carleton research. Thanks Janet ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Unsubscribe > > I was interested is Carleton county, which is the topic. When I want to know about the census I check that site

Leslie: Here's an alternative to CAN-ONT-CARLETON. It's a web site which has about 850 pages of history and genealogy in the Ottawa area. It includes all of Carleton County. Since our ancestors from Carleton County often had relatives who settled nearby, including on the Quebec side, geographically the web site includes an area within a radius of about 100 miles of the Parliament Buildings as well as persons who migrated from this area to the U.S beginning in the 1850's. There are thousands of contributors to the web site and the collection of all of these family histories is documenting not just genealogies, but the history of our region. There is a search engine near the top of the main web page where you can search for ancestors, local geographic areas, etc. It works like a forum -- putting family researchers in touch with other. Everybody can contribute their 2 cents worth. The main web page is at www.bytown.net . The search engine is near the top of that page. Feel free to contribute material. We are always looking for family researchers and local historians. ... Al Lewis Ottawa www.bytown.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie To: CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Unsubscribe I was interested is Carleton county, which is the topic. When I want to know about the census I check that site ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Unsubscribe > Leslie -- > I honestly do not know what you mean by KEEK -- did you > misspell the word or otherwise. > > At first I thought you were from another country other than > Canada -- we have been fighting since 1999 to gain control > of our census records which had been denied to us. > > You evidently have no interest in your ancestors BUT you do have > a DELETE KEY -- please use same. > > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > Co-Chair, Canada Census committee > Also List Administrator -- CAN-ONT-CARLETON mail lists > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:38 AM > Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Unsubscribe > > >> Wish you would keek the census stuff off this list >> >> >> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >> someone may have the answer to add to your >> family group sheets > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the CAN-ONT-CARLETON list, send the ommand "unsubscribe" to CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or CAN-ONT-CARLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com if Digest mode CAN-ONT-CARLETON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks Jennifer! How kind of you. I've found an I. Langford on the 411 site and I'm going to give them a phone call. Hope they don't think I'm a nut *LOL* I'm skeptical about my family being Anglican. On the Census Silas Langford and family were Methodist. His grandparents were Anglican but all of the next generation seemed to change to Methodist or Presbyterian for some reason. I found Langfords in St. Thomas Anglican Cemetery in Torbolton. If it's St. Thomas Cemetery you are speaking of then the Langford's there are possibly Janet's line? The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid lists St. Thomas Cemetery as being in Torbolton. Shirley Jennifer Flegg <rootseeker@sympatico.ca> wrote: I live near Carleton Place, and on catching up to reading my emails, I see a local search.... I can look up Langford's in the phone book for you if that will help..... I am also not far from the Anglican cemetery....a lovely one too.... Cheers Jennifer ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== Genealogy is the heritage of all people -- History of the decade being researched helps us understand how our ancestors lived and worked. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Well said, Janet. I agree whole-heartedly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet MacDonald" <jkmacd@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] 1911 census >I hit the delete button if a message comes along that I am not interested >or > can not offer to help the person. It takes 2 seconds to delete any message > of no interest. > > I appreciate the extra effort that Muriel and Gordon take to keep us > informed. They have done an amazing amount of work and I thank them for > it. > > The 1911 census release and further censuses are of great importance to me > and my research. I am glad that people keep us up to date and I like to > help > in any small way that I can to keep the access to census records. > > Please keep posting about the census or other genealogical related topics > as > well as Carleton research. > > Thanks > > Janet

Leslie -- I honestly do not know what you mean by KEEK -- did you misspell the word or otherwise. At first I thought you were from another country other than Canada -- we have been fighting since 1999 to gain control of our census records which had been denied to us. You evidently have no interest in your ancestors BUT you do have a DELETE KEY -- please use same. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census committee Also List Administrator -- CAN-ONT-CARLETON mail lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie" <lwgrauer@shaw.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:38 AM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Unsubscribe > Wish you would keek the census stuff off this list > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Remember -- no query is ever too small, > someone may have the answer to add to your > family group sheets