Hi Bonnie: I googled and got: http://www.opl.ottawa.on.ca/english/ Click on Ask a Librarian to find out if they have them, know where they are, and if they'll do lookups, assuming they have the directories. Marg Bonnie Cole wrote: >Hello Folks: > >Does Ottawa (somewhere) have a Look-up service like the Toronto Library has (for a fee) that I could use? > >I'm looking for Peter Groper in 1935 or 1936. > >Thanks a lot. > >Bonnie > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Muriel: First of all, births are only available to the public up to 1907 with another year of records added each Spring so the one you are querying won't be available on film until abt 2016. I found the Ontario Death Registration for Walter Froud, Jr: Born March 30, 1910 in Ottawa Died September 14, 1911 at 79 Cumberland Street, Ottawa Age 6 months Parents: Walter Froud born Swindon, England and Eva Auclair, no place of birth given. Informant of death: Mrs. Walter Froud 79 Cumberland Street, and Dr. S. Nagle Cause of Death: Tuburcular Meningitis Registration number 010443 Death: Froud, Marie Nellie Died: December 17, 1910 at 28 Redpath Street, Ottawa Born December 2, 1910 Age 15 days Father: Walter Froud, born Ireland Mother: Eva Auvlair (sic) born Britannia Physician: Dr. R. H. Parent, 232 St. Patrick Street, Ottawa Cause of Death: Bronchopneumonia Informant: Walter Froud, 28 Redpath Street, Ottawa December 17, 1910 Registration number 010224 Here is the family as indexed at Ancestry.com on the 1911 census: Province: Ontario District: Ottawa City District Number: 105 Sub-District: Ottawa Ward Sub-District Number: 32 Place of Habitation: 79 Cumberland Census Year: 1911 Page: 29 Household Members: Name Birth Year Walter Frand Head January, 1886 Born England, emig 1905? Anglican Grocery ___ Felicite Frand Wife June, 1891 Not sure what it says for her place of birth, religion Walter Frand Son March, 1911 ON Her name IS written as Felicite, definitely not Eva, so Eva may have been a nickname? Please take a look at the actual census page yourself in case you can read it better than I and also in case I have misread any of it. Go to: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/006003-100.01-e.html Check the box for Ontario, type in Ottawa ward and select MAX for number of references per page. Click Submit query. On the page that comes up, scroll down to item number 26 which is Ottawa ward subdistrict 32 and where it says associated images, click on that and then select page 29. I use the ones on the left for .pdf format as I have Adobe Acrobat on my computer. Scroll down to line 15 and there they are. I did not find a death reg in Ontario for Eva/Felicite so perhaps they moved back to Quebec and she died there. Hope this helps a bit, Marg in Sunny Alberta Muriel D. Joyal wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Muriel D. Joyal >To: CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:01 PM >Subject: Auclair/Froud > > >Hi: > >This is my first time on this site and I am wondering if anyone is searching for Eva Auclair's marriage to Walter Froud. I know they were married 29 January 1910 in Ottawa >and had 2 children that died in the Carleton area. I am wondering what happened to Eva Auclair and also if there is a birth of a Ernest Froud around 1918. Walter Froud remarried in Montreal 1919. > >Thank you, > >Muriel > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >

Muriel -- Have you checked the 1911 census for the couple? http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ Someone else may have information re following events. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel D. Joyal" <mjoyal@shaw.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Fw: Auclair/Froud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Muriel D. Joyal > To: CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:01 PM > Subject: Auclair/Froud > > > Hi: > > This is my first time on this site and I am wondering if anyone is searching for Eva Auclair's marriage to Walter Froud. I know they were married 29 January 1910 in Ottawa > and had 2 children that died in the Carleton area. I am wondering what happened to Eva Auclair and also if there is a birth of a Ernest Froud around 1918. Walter Froud remarried in Montreal 1919. > > Thank you, > > Muriel > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/06 > >

I did check but nothing comes up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Fw: Auclair/Froud > Muriel -- > Have you checked the 1911 census for the couple? > http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ > > Someone else may have information re following events. > Muriel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muriel D. Joyal" <mjoyal@shaw.ca> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Fw: Auclair/Froud > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Muriel D. Joyal >> To: CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:01 PM >> Subject: Auclair/Froud >> >> >> Hi: >> >> This is my first time on this site and I am wondering if anyone is > searching for Eva Auclair's marriage to Walter Froud. I know they were > married 29 January 1910 in Ottawa >> and had 2 children that died in the Carleton area. I am wondering what > happened to Eva Auclair and also if there is a birth of a Ernest Froud > around 1918. Walter Froud remarried in Montreal 1919. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Muriel >> >> >> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >> Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/06 >> >> > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > The 1911 census records are being transcribed! > It is fun -- http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ > Another way to find family members > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel D. Joyal To: CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Auclair/Froud Hi: This is my first time on this site and I am wondering if anyone is searching for Eva Auclair's marriage to Walter Froud. I know they were married 29 January 1910 in Ottawa and had 2 children that died in the Carleton area. I am wondering what happened to Eva Auclair and also if there is a birth of a Ernest Froud around 1918. Walter Froud remarried in Montreal 1919. Thank you, Muriel

To all:- I do not know why, but I have received about 500 messages stating this person or that person has been unsubscribed or were removed from the lists. Knowing about the advertised pending virus, I dumped all messages - knowing that next week we will know who is still online. Personally, I did this for my own protection as messages can be copied from other than the one supposedly sending them. The SUBSCRIBE ones were placed in their folder -- and will check to see if the Rootsweb computer subscribed them. Hope all will understand why I dumped unknown messages -- 500 were too many for one day. Muriel -- List Admin

To all:- When you are transcribing our long-awaited 1911 Canadian census, can you imagine you are making something and all pieces must be the same size -- or else the "thing" can not be constructed? Have you looked over transcribed census pages and found many pages with a "50" beside the name -- meaning 50 Lines. These pages would all fit in the item called OUR 1911 Canadian Census. Then we find pages with 2, 5, even 23 lines with a name beside them. What will happen to these uneven and incorrect size pages? There is data on many pages as I have checked -- there are ways of doing this, using some old printer skills, etc. When a page has only 23 lines, on the 24th line delete the family name and house number, NOT the line number. Then click on SUBMIT until you reach 51, BEFORE you claim the page. I know the original instructions say to claim page at 1 or 2 lines, PLEASE change this information to above. If anyone has transcribed pages, please check and see if YOU committed making an uneven size page -- the same size is there for a reason. Should anyone desire further instruction, private emails only -- also, due to poor handwriting, I am one of a group - we check our work. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON -- formerly Nova Scotia

Hi Jen, A quick seacrh on OGS gave me this: FLEGG Elizabeth Beechwood Cemetery Carleton Ottawa *00-07*<http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/cemeteries/info.php?ID=257803> http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/cemeteries/info.php?ID=257803 There are 25 Fleggs in all in this index for Carleton County. There are six area counties to choose from. http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/cemeteries/search.php Good luck! :) Sandy Ottawa On 1/30/06, Jennifer Flegg <rootseeker@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > seeking anyone researching the following Slater family, found in 1881 > census, with head as Hester (a widow) and a housekeeper (Elizabeth > Flegg, born abt 1801, England). elizabeth my be related to my husband's > family. Anyone know when she died? Where she is buried? She is found in > the same household in 1871 as well I think. Wondering when and where her > husband passed on, where buried etc. > Any suggestions a great help, > Thanks > Jennifer Flegg >

seeking anyone researching the following Slater family, found in 1881 census, with head as Hester (a widow) and a housekeeper (Elizabeth Flegg, born abt 1801, England). elizabeth my be related to my husband's family. Anyone know when she died? Where she is buried? She is found in the same household in 1871 as well I think. Wondering when and where her husband passed on, where buried etc. Any suggestions a great help, Thanks Jennifer Flegg Household: Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion Hester SLATER <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881CN_542355_0&frompage=99> W Female Irish 49 O. <Ontario> Church of England Hester Alb SLATER <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881CN_542355_1&frompage=99> Female Irish 19 O. <Ontario> Church of England Elizabeth FLEGG <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881CN_542355_2&frompage=99> W Female English 80 England Housekeeper Church of England Thomas BISHOP <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881CN_542355_3&frompage=99> Male English 28 England Coachman Church of England ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Source Information: Census Place Wellington Ward, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375865 <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=1375865> NA Film Number C-13229 District 105 Sub-district A Division 1 Page Number 103 Household Number 473

Hi Peggy, I haven't been back to the library yet but I am planning on going to the main branch on Feb 11. I have a long list of sources I want to research and I still have your email in my notebook. Those earlier marriage records (1858-1869) are available at the main branch among other records such as BMD notices in the local paper (1846-1879). I'll be in touch.. good luck in the mean time :) Sandy On 1/30/06, p&rgordon <p&rgordon@telus.net> wrote: > > Hi Sandy, > > Not sure if I answered before but I think I did. Did you find William and > Jane? This registration up to 1873 may be too early for them, and too > late > for William's first marriage. I did find both their deaths in Manitoba > and > have sent for those certificates hoping that they will give me some > information. Also sent for Jane's obit in 1921 in the Morden Times. I > had > originally asked for William's obit in 1915 but those archives are > missing. > I did find some other records in Manitoba Vital Statistics and have sent > for > those but still don't have either William's or Jane's birth > certificates. I > am hoping that Horace Grove's marriage certificate will reveal if Jane is > his mother or not, and I think not so may find out William's first wife's > name. Actually, Jane was 20 when he was born so she may be his > mother. Too > bad I haven't been able to find out more about Belinda, William and Walter > as they are not likely Jane's children, especially Belinda who is only 9 > years younger than Jane. > If I do find William's birth for sure in 1831, it may lead to other > things. > His first marriage is likely about 1851. Thanks for your help. > Regards > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandy Lang" <lang.sandy@gmail.com> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell > Spence > > > > Hi Peggy, > > > > I am not sure where you are living but this book is available in the > > Ottawa > > Library Main Branch as well as Centerpointe. > > > > "Index to marriage registrations of Ontario, Canada, 1869-1873" compiled > > and > > edited by Renie A. Rumpel ; assisted by Carrie J. Slingsby. > > > > It should have William and Jane listed. > > > > Billings Bridge is a community now in Ottawa, sort of south central. > > > > I will look up what I can for you at Centerpointe and I have a contact > who > > does looks ups at the main Branch for me. > > > > Let me know :) > > > > > > Sandy > > Ottawa > >

Hi Sandy, Not sure if I answered before but I think I did. Did you find William and Jane? This registration up to 1873 may be too early for them, and too late for William's first marriage. I did find both their deaths in Manitoba and have sent for those certificates hoping that they will give me some information. Also sent for Jane's obit in 1921 in the Morden Times. I had originally asked for William's obit in 1915 but those archives are missing. I did find some other records in Manitoba Vital Statistics and have sent for those but still don't have either William's or Jane's birth certificates. I am hoping that Horace Grove's marriage certificate will reveal if Jane is his mother or not, and I think not so may find out William's first wife's name. Actually, Jane was 20 when he was born so she may be his mother. Too bad I haven't been able to find out more about Belinda, William and Walter as they are not likely Jane's children, especially Belinda who is only 9 years younger than Jane. If I do find William's birth for sure in 1831, it may lead to other things. His first marriage is likely about 1851. Thanks for your help. Regards Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Lang" <lang.sandy@gmail.com> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Hi Peggy, > > I am not sure where you are living but this book is available in the > Ottawa > Library Main Branch as well as Centerpointe. > > "Index to marriage registrations of Ontario, Canada, 1869-1873" compiled > and > edited by Renie A. Rumpel ; assisted by Carrie J. Slingsby. > > It should have William and Jane listed. > > Billings Bridge is a community now in Ottawa, sort of south central. > > I will look up what I can for you at Centerpointe and I have a contact who > does looks ups at the main Branch for me. > > Let me know :) > > > Sandy > Ottawa > > > On 1/18/06, p&rgordon <p&rgordon@telus.net> wrote: >> >> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William >> Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. >> 1875, >> he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as on the >> 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and Jane was >> 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone find a >> record >> of his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove that the William >> born in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. They were both >> Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I don't know >> where, >> on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if Jane was really born >> 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 according to the >> census, >> so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone find William and Jane's >> marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan Forest Johnson, born in >> Billings >> Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who died in Carman, Manitoba. William >> and >> Jane moved there later on. There ! >> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find >> out >> more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >> Peggy > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > List Admin for CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L: > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Margaret, I have been thinking about the possible census of 1901 for William, Jr. Although I wouldn't doubt that they are related, I have to wonder if it is not William, Jr. You see, on the 1881 census, it says William is 10. I have also found this death entry for a child in Stanley, Manitoba which fits with a William born 1870. GIVEN NAMES: RUSSELL MELVILLE DATE OF DEATH: 12/22/1902 AGE: 3 UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M PLACE OF DEATH: RM STANLEY REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1903,003433 Is this William's son? ?Johnston father W.J. b. Dec 13, 1870 in Ontario.(Irish) mother Francis b. Nov 13 1875 Ontario son Melville b Nov 9 1899 age 1 in Manitoba Note in both cases, the father is William and the mother is Francis (?? Fanny in 1901 Census). Just dob is diferent for both William and Francis in this entry and the census entry. PS, I am also from Alberta but live in BC now. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:56 AMLAST NAME: JOHNSTON Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Hi: > > The Ontario place locator: > > http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/search.html > > has only this entry: > > Billing's Bridge, Gloucester Township, Carleton County (Currently Exists) > > You can search and order copies online of Manitoba births, marriages, > deaths up to certain years at this page: > > http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php > > but it might be cheaper to go to your local LDS Family History centre and > get the reg's through them. I assume this is William's death: > > LAST NAME: JOHNSTON > GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM R > DATE OF DEATH: 11/07/1915 > AGE: 84 > UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M > PLACE OF DEATH: MORDEN > REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,210036 > > You can order that online from the site above if you choose. > > I assume this is the 1881 census entry to which you refer: > > William JOHNSTON M Male Irish 49 O <Ontario> > Farmer Presbyterian Canada > Jane JOHNSTON M Female Irish 27 Ireland > Presbyterian Canada > Walter JOHNSTON Male Irish 9 O <Ontario> > Presbyterian Canada > Belinda JOHNSTON Female Irish 18 O > <Ontario> Presbyterian Canada > William JOHNSTON Male Irish 10 O <Ontario> > Going To School Presbyterian Canada > Horrice JOHNSTON Male Irish 6 O <Ontario> > Going To School Presbyterian Canada > Allan JOHNSTON Male Irish 4 O <Ontario> > Violet JOHNSTON Female Irish 2 Manitoba > Gertude JOHNSTON Female Irish <1 Born: Aug; 8/12 > Manitoba > Source Information: > Census Place Dufferin, Marquette, Manitoba > Family History Library Film 1375919 > NA Film Number C-13283 > District 186 > Sub-district H > Division 1 > Page Number 32 > Household Number 186 > > Go to your local LDS family history centre to find the marriage of William > and Jane as well as their death registrations, birth registrations for > their kids, etc The death registrations of William and Jane may give > their parents' names. Try to find a marriage registration for Belinda and > that may contain the name of her mother. Find the birth reg for Walter > and that should give mother's name. The kind volunteers will be able to > help you with this. To find a centre near you: > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp > > This may be William, Jr. and family on the 1901 Manitoba census at > www.automatedgenealogy.com : > > District: MB LISGAR (#7) > Subdistrict: Morden (Village) N-1 Page 15 > Image: View the image using a split screen or > new window: large medium small MrSid > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 > > Johnston Wm M Head M Sep 27 1862 born ONT, > blacksmith, Presbyterian > Johnston Fanny F Wife M Apr 28 1866 born > ONT > Johnston Marshall** M Son S Oct 12 1889 > Johnston Nellie F Daughter S Aug 2 1892 > Johnston Olive F Daughter S Mar 11 1893 > Johnston Tabitha F Daughter S 1895 > Johnston Fanny F Daughter S Jun 29 1897 > Johnston Florence? F Daughter S Apr 15 1900 > All kids born Manitoba. > **Birth Index entry gives name as Mary Marshall Johnston, b. October 12, > 1890, RM South Dufferin, MB, female, mother Fannie Johnston, reg number > 1890-002453. > > William and Jane and family in 1901: > > District: MB LISGAR (#7) > Subdistrict: Stanley H-4 Page 1 > Image: View the image using a split screen or > new window: large medium small MrSid > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 > > Johnson William M Head M Apr 14 1831 ONT > Prebyterian Farmer > Johnson Jane R F Wife M Apr 24 1855 IRE > Emig 1862 > Johnson Walter M Son S Jun 24 1872 ONT > Johnson Alan M Son S Jul 9 1876 ONT > Johnson Cora M F Daughter S Jul 6 1882 MAN > Johnson Armon H M Son S Apr 8 1885 MAN > Johnson James B M Son S Jan 8 1889 MAN > > Here is James birth reg index entry which you can order the full reg > online: > > http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php > > LAST NAME: JOHNSTON > FIRST NAME: BENJAMIN JAMES > DATE OF BIRTH: 01/08/1889 > PLACE OF BIRTH: RM S DUFFERIN SEX: M > REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1889,004280 > MOTHER'S DETAILSMaiden Last Name: SPRUCE Given Names: JANE RUSSELL > > Here is the family on the 1911 census: > > 1911 / Manitoba / MacDonald / 27 Township 5 in ranges 3 / page 10 > > Section 31 - 5 - 2 > > Johnston Alen Forest M Head M Jul 1876 34 > ONT Farmer > Johnston Ethel F Wife M Nov 1884 26 ONT > Johnston Gertrude L????? F Daughter-in-law S Dec > 1905 MAN > Johnston Florance Hazel F Daughter-in-law S Nov 1907 > MAN > Johnston William R. M Father M Apr 1831 80 > ONT Retired > Johnston Jane Russell F Mother M Apr 1857 57( > Age and year of birth given don't match up) born Ireland, emig 1864? > (hard to read) > > Some websites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/ > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ > http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/ > http://www.bytown.net/ > http://www.afhs.ab.ca/data/ontario/censuses.html > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ogspi/welcome.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ongenpro/census/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~births/index.htm > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/deaths.htm > > That's about all that I can find online. You really do need to go to the > Family History Centre near you and likely you will find a lot more info on > your families. > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "p&rgordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 PM >> Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell >> Spence >> >> >>> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William >>> Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. >>> 1875, he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as >>> on the 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and >>> Jane was 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone >>> find a record of his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove >>> that the William born in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. >>> They were both Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I >>> don't know where, on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if >>> Jane was really born 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 >>> according to the census, so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone >>> find William and Jane's marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan >>> Forest Johnson, born in Billings Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who >>> died in Carman, Manitoba. William and Jane moved there later on. There ! >>> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >>> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find >>> out more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >>> Peggy >>> >>> >>> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>> someone may have the answer to add to your >>> family group sheets >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >> Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most >> helpful site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is the heritage of all people -- > History of the decade being researched helps us > understand how our ancestors lived and worked. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. 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To all deciphering the 1911 census records:- We were very pleased when the 1911 to 2001 records were released last June 28, 2005 -- but then it was when our genealogical work began, transcribing these so ancestors could be found now and in future years. I will admit the writing is not always the best, very difficult to read -- often a check with the 1901 records is necessary. Here are some points I have found: 1. Many transcribers are claiming pages when there might be only 17 lines to the page. [We do not know if the person is coming back] There are 50 lines per page, not 17. If 17 lines are there, on the 18th delete the FAMILY NAME and HOUSE NUMBER -- then click on SUBMIT until you reach 51. This is when you Claim the Page. It will show 50 lines. Hopefully any who committeed this little deed, will go back and finish off the blank lines as above -- there are MANY. 2. Only the one who has Claimed Page is able to access data. 3. If unsure of your work, leave the page at 50 lines but DO NOT Claim Page -- I have checked many and fixed errors. 4. In my own PEEL COUNTY, many have claimed the page after transcribing ONE name, others pick out sections for their usage. It is alright to transcribe one or more lines, but do NOT claim the page -- others will finish it for you. Let's keep above bits in mind, we may have to check 1901 census, but remember, there are proofreaders after we are through. A group of us have been working together in Shelburne County, Nova Scotia and it is fantastic what an extra pair of eyes can see!! Please finish all pages to 50 lines even though they are blank. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca List Administrator of lists receiving the message Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee

Thanks so much for doing that. If I found the correct William Robert before, he was born Apr 14, 1831 Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario with parents James and Margaret Jane. Would be nice to confirm that. Seems likely as on the 1911 Census for Manitoba, he is living with his son Alen Forest Johnston , and his birth is given as April 1831. I don't know for sure when William and Jane were married, I just looked at her age and took a guess. William was 10 on the 1881 when Jane was 26 (later census says he was born 1862) , whereas Horace Grove (Horrice) was 6, born in 1875 when Jane was 20 and Alan was born in 1876 when Jane was 21. Think maybe marriage was 1874 but could have been prior to Walter's birth in June 1872 although she would have been only 16 or so. Hard to say which children belong to which marriage but William must have had a prior marriage. Belinda was born abt 1863, but the 1881 Census doesn't give the relationship, just assuming a daughter. I also assume that James was probably the one who originally emigrated but who knows. Thanks again. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Lang" <lang.sandy@gmail.com> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Hi Peg, > > Centerpointe used to be the main branch of the Nepean Library. The > community > the library is in is called Centerpointe. When the City of Nepean was > folded > into the City of Ottawa a few years back, Centerpointe became a branch of > the Ottawa Library. They have a small genealogy section which is > dedication > mostly to the smaller communities in and around Ottawa (such as Nepean was > before the amalgamation). There are a good number of Carleton County > records > there so I should be able to find something for you. > > I will take a look for your ancestors in the next few days and let you > know > what I find. I am at a brick wall for my Langs so maybe I will have some > luck with your Johnstons! :) > > Sandy > > On 1/18/06, p&rgordon <p&rgordon@telus.net> wrote: >> >> Thank you Sandy. I live in British Columbia. I would be so grateful if >> you >> were able to find out any information for me. Is Centrepointe another >> library? >> Peggy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sandy Lang" <lang.sandy@gmail.com> >> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell >> Spence >> >> >> > Hi Peggy, >> > >> > I am not sure where you are living but this book is available in the >> > Ottawa >> > Library Main Branch as well as Centerpointe. >> > >> > "Index to marriage registrations of Ontario, Canada, 1869-1873" >> > compiled >> > and >> > edited by Renie A. Rumpel ; assisted by Carrie J. Slingsby. >> > >> > It should have William and Jane listed. >> > >> > Billings Bridge is a community now in Ottawa, sort of south central. >> > >> > I will look up what I can for you at Centerpointe and I have a contact >> who >> > does looks ups at the main Branch for me. >> > >> > Let me know :) >> > >> > >> > Sandy >> > Ottawa > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > The 1911 census records are being transcribed! > It is fun -- http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ > Another way to find family members > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Thank you very much, Marg. I did not have William R. death before, but I did have a note that it was after 1915, turns out it was 1915. I can't recall why I knew that he was alive in 1915. I wonder how much more information I might get from his death certificate. Yes, you have the correct 1881 and 1901 Censuses for William and Jane. I am quite sure you are right about William Jr. as well, although his age doesn't agree with the 1881 Census. That is not unusual. I didn't have his wife and children's names before. After all, it is Morden, and that is where my grandfather was supposed to be born in 1885. Also, says William was born in Ont. Did you notice that is says Spruce instead of Spence, I was confused about that before. Thanks again. Peggy From: "marg mcfarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Hi: > > The Ontario place locator: > > http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/search.html > > has only this entry: > > Billing's Bridge, Gloucester Township, Carleton County (Currently Exists) > > You can search and order copies online of Manitoba births, marriages, > deaths up to certain years at this page: > > http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php > > but it might be cheaper to go to your local LDS Family History centre and > get the reg's through them. I assume this is William's death: > > LAST NAME: JOHNSTON > GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM R > DATE OF DEATH: 11/07/1915 > AGE: 84 > UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M > PLACE OF DEATH: MORDEN > REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,210036 > > You can order that online from the site above if you choose. > > I assume this is the 1881 census entry to which you refer: > > William JOHNSTON M Male Irish 49 O <Ontario> > Farmer Presbyterian Canada > Jane JOHNSTON M Female Irish 27 Ireland > Presbyterian Canada > Walter JOHNSTON Male Irish 9 O <Ontario> > Presbyterian Canada > Belinda JOHNSTON Female Irish 18 O > <Ontario> Presbyterian Canada > William JOHNSTON Male Irish 10 O <Ontario> > Going To School Presbyterian Canada > Horrice JOHNSTON Male Irish 6 O <Ontario> > Going To School Presbyterian Canada > Allan JOHNSTON Male Irish 4 O <Ontario> > Violet JOHNSTON Female Irish 2 Manitoba > Gertude JOHNSTON Female Irish <1 Born: Aug; 8/12 > Manitoba > Source Information: > Census Place Dufferin, Marquette, Manitoba > Family History Library Film 1375919 > NA Film Number C-13283 > District 186 > Sub-district H > Division 1 > Page Number 32 > Household Number 186 > > Go to your local LDS family history centre to find the marriage of William > and Jane as well as their death registrations, birth registrations for > their kids, etc The death registrations of William and Jane may give > their parents' names. Try to find a marriage registration for Belinda and > that may contain the name of her mother. Find the birth reg for Walter > and that should give mother's name. The kind volunteers will be able to > help you with this. To find a centre near you: > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp > > This may be William, Jr. and family on the 1901 Manitoba census at > www.automatedgenealogy.com : > > District: MB LISGAR (#7) > Subdistrict: Morden (Village) N-1 Page 15 > Image: View the image using a split screen or > new window: large medium small MrSid > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 > > Johnston Wm M Head M Sep 27 1862 born ONT, > blacksmith, Presbyterian > Johnston Fanny F Wife M Apr 28 1866 born > ONT > Johnston Marshall** M Son S Oct 12 1889 > Johnston Nellie F Daughter S Aug 2 1892 > Johnston Olive F Daughter S Mar 11 1893 > Johnston Tabitha F Daughter S 1895 > Johnston Fanny F Daughter S Jun 29 1897 > Johnston Florence? F Daughter S Apr 15 1900 > All kids born Manitoba. > **Birth Index entry gives name as Mary Marshall Johnston, b. October 12, > 1890, RM South Dufferin, MB, female, mother Fannie Johnston, reg number > 1890-002453. > > William and Jane and family in 1901: > > District: MB LISGAR (#7) > Subdistrict: Stanley H-4 Page 1 > Image: View the image using a split screen or > new window: large medium small MrSid > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 > > Johnson William M Head M Apr 14 1831 ONT > Prebyterian Farmer > Johnson Jane R F Wife M Apr 24 1855 IRE > Emig 1862 > Johnson Walter M Son S Jun 24 1872 ONT > Johnson Alan M Son S Jul 9 1876 ONT > Johnson Cora M F Daughter S Jul 6 1882 MAN > Johnson Armon H M Son S Apr 8 1885 MAN > Johnson James B M Son S Jan 8 1889 MAN > > Here is James birth reg index entry which you can order the full reg > online: > > http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php > > LAST NAME: JOHNSTON > FIRST NAME: BENJAMIN JAMES > DATE OF BIRTH: 01/08/1889 > PLACE OF BIRTH: RM S DUFFERIN SEX: M > REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1889,004280 > MOTHER'S DETAILSMaiden Last Name: SPRUCE Given Names: JANE RUSSELL > > Here is the family on the 1911 census: > > 1911 / Manitoba / MacDonald / 27 Township 5 in ranges 3 / page 10 > > Section 31 - 5 - 2 > > Johnston Alen Forest M Head M Jul 1876 34 > ONT Farmer > Johnston Ethel F Wife M Nov 1884 26 ONT > Johnston Gertrude L????? F Daughter-in-law S Dec > 1905 MAN > Johnston Florance Hazel F Daughter-in-law S Nov 1907 > MAN > Johnston William R. M Father M Apr 1831 80 > ONT Retired > Johnston Jane Russell F Mother M Apr 1857 57( > Age and year of birth given don't match up) born Ireland, emig 1864? > (hard to read) > > Some websites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/ > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ > http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/ > http://www.bytown.net/ > http://www.afhs.ab.ca/data/ontario/censuses.html > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ogspi/welcome.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ongenpro/census/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~births/index.htm > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/deaths.htm > > That's about all that I can find online. You really do need to go to the > Family History Centre near you and likely you will find a lot more info on > your families. > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "p&rgordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 PM >> Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell >> Spence >> >> >>> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William >>> Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. >>> 1875, he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as >>> on the 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and >>> Jane was 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone >>> find a record of his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove >>> that the William born in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. >>> They were both Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I >>> don't know where, on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if >>> Jane was really born 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 >>> according to the census, so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone >>> find William and Jane's marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan >>> Forest Johnson, born in Billings Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who >>> died in Carman, Manitoba. William and Jane moved there later on. There ! >>> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >>> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find >>> out more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >>> Peggy >>> >>> >>> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>> someone may have the answer to add to your >>> family group sheets >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. 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Hi Peg, Centerpointe used to be the main branch of the Nepean Library. The community the library is in is called Centerpointe. When the City of Nepean was folded into the City of Ottawa a few years back, Centerpointe became a branch of the Ottawa Library. They have a small genealogy section which is dedication mostly to the smaller communities in and around Ottawa (such as Nepean was before the amalgamation). There are a good number of Carleton County records there so I should be able to find something for you. I will take a look for your ancestors in the next few days and let you know what I find. I am at a brick wall for my Langs so maybe I will have some luck with your Johnstons! :) Sandy On 1/18/06, p&rgordon <p&rgordon@telus.net> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. I live in British Columbia. I would be so grateful if > you > were able to find out any information for me. Is Centrepointe another > library? > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandy Lang" <lang.sandy@gmail.com> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell > Spence > > > > Hi Peggy, > > > > I am not sure where you are living but this book is available in the > > Ottawa > > Library Main Branch as well as Centerpointe. > > > > "Index to marriage registrations of Ontario, Canada, 1869-1873" compiled > > and > > edited by Renie A. Rumpel ; assisted by Carrie J. Slingsby. > > > > It should have William and Jane listed. > > > > Billings Bridge is a community now in Ottawa, sort of south central. > > > > I will look up what I can for you at Centerpointe and I have a contact > who > > does looks ups at the main Branch for me. > > > > Let me know :) > > > > > > Sandy > > Ottawa

Hi: The Ontario place locator: http://www.geneofun.on.ca/ontariolocator/search.html has only this entry: Billing's Bridge, Gloucester Township, Carleton County (Currently Exists) You can search and order copies online of Manitoba births, marriages, deaths up to certain years at this page: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php but it might be cheaper to go to your local LDS Family History centre and get the reg's through them. I assume this is William's death: LAST NAME: JOHNSTON GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM R DATE OF DEATH: 11/07/1915 AGE: 84 UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M PLACE OF DEATH: MORDEN REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,210036 You can order that online from the site above if you choose. I assume this is the 1881 census entry to which you refer: William JOHNSTON M Male Irish 49 O <Ontario> Farmer Presbyterian Canada Jane JOHNSTON M Female Irish 27 Ireland Presbyterian Canada Walter JOHNSTON Male Irish 9 O <Ontario> Presbyterian Canada Belinda JOHNSTON Female Irish 18 O <Ontario> Presbyterian Canada William JOHNSTON Male Irish 10 O <Ontario> Going To School Presbyterian Canada Horrice JOHNSTON Male Irish 6 O <Ontario> Going To School Presbyterian Canada Allan JOHNSTON Male Irish 4 O <Ontario> Violet JOHNSTON Female Irish 2 Manitoba Gertude JOHNSTON Female Irish <1 Born: Aug; 8/12 Manitoba Source Information: Census Place Dufferin, Marquette, Manitoba Family History Library Film 1375919 NA Film Number C-13283 District 186 Sub-district H Division 1 Page Number 32 Household Number 186 Go to your local LDS family history centre to find the marriage of William and Jane as well as their death registrations, birth registrations for their kids, etc The death registrations of William and Jane may give their parents' names. Try to find a marriage registration for Belinda and that may contain the name of her mother. Find the birth reg for Walter and that should give mother's name. The kind volunteers will be able to help you with this. To find a centre near you: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp This may be William, Jr. and family on the 1901 Manitoba census at www.automatedgenealogy.com : District: MB LISGAR (#7) Subdistrict: Morden (Village) N-1 Page 15 Image: View the image using a split screen or new window: large medium small MrSid Images are from National Archives Web Site Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 Johnston Wm M Head M Sep 27 1862 born ONT, blacksmith, Presbyterian Johnston Fanny F Wife M Apr 28 1866 born ONT Johnston Marshall** M Son S Oct 12 1889 Johnston Nellie F Daughter S Aug 2 1892 Johnston Olive F Daughter S Mar 11 1893 Johnston Tabitha F Daughter S 1895 Johnston Fanny F Daughter S Jun 29 1897 Johnston Florence? F Daughter S Apr 15 1900 All kids born Manitoba. **Birth Index entry gives name as Mary Marshall Johnston, b. October 12, 1890, RM South Dufferin, MB, female, mother Fannie Johnston, reg number 1890-002453. William and Jane and family in 1901: District: MB LISGAR (#7) Subdistrict: Stanley H-4 Page 1 Image: View the image using a split screen or new window: large medium small MrSid Images are from National Archives Web Site Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6432 Johnson William M Head M Apr 14 1831 ONT Prebyterian Farmer Johnson Jane R F Wife M Apr 24 1855 IRE Emig 1862 Johnson Walter M Son S Jun 24 1872 ONT Johnson Alan M Son S Jul 9 1876 ONT Johnson Cora M F Daughter S Jul 6 1882 MAN Johnson Armon H M Son S Apr 8 1885 MAN Johnson James B M Son S Jan 8 1889 MAN Here is James birth reg index entry which you can order the full reg online: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php LAST NAME: JOHNSTON FIRST NAME: BENJAMIN JAMES DATE OF BIRTH: 01/08/1889 PLACE OF BIRTH: RM S DUFFERIN SEX: M REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1889,004280 MOTHER'S DETAILSMaiden Last Name: SPRUCE Given Names: JANE RUSSELL Here is the family on the 1911 census: 1911 / Manitoba / MacDonald / 27 Township 5 in ranges 3 / page 10 Section 31 - 5 - 2 Johnston Alen Forest M Head M Jul 1876 34 ONT Farmer Johnston Ethel F Wife M Nov 1884 26 ONT Johnston Gertrude L????? F Daughter-in-law S Dec 1905 MAN Johnston Florance Hazel F Daughter-in-law S Nov 1907 MAN Johnston William R. M Father M Apr 1831 80 ONT Retired Johnston Jane Russell F Mother M Apr 1857 57( Age and year of birth given don't match up) born Ireland, emig 1864? (hard to read) Some websites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/ http://www.ogs.on.ca/ http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/ http://www.bytown.net/ http://www.afhs.ab.ca/data/ontario/censuses.html http://www.ogs.on.ca/ogspi/welcome.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~ongenpro/census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~births/index.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/deaths.htm That's about all that I can find online. You really do need to go to the Family History Centre near you and likely you will find a lot more info on your families. Marg in Sunny Alberta > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "p&rgordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 PM > Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell > Spence > > >> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that >> William Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . >> Approx. 1875, he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his >> second wife, as on the 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is >> 18 yr. old and Jane was 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her >> mother. Can anyone find a record of his first marriage? Would there >> be any way to prove that the William born in 1831 is the same William >> who married Jane. They were both Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to >> be born in Ireland, I don't know where, on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch >> descent. I wonder if Jane was really born 1854. Jane's emigration >> was supposed to be in 1862 according to the census, so at age 7. Can >> anyone help me? Can anyone find William and Jane's marriage in >> Ontario? They had a son Allan Forest Johnson, born in Billings >> Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who died in Carman, Manitoba. >> William and Jane moved there later on. There ! >> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to >> find out more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >> Peggy >> >> >> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >> someone may have the answer to add to your >> family group sheets >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Hi Sylvia, The reason that I was wondering about 1854 as a date of birth is that the only Jane Russell Spence that I have ever been able to find was on familysearch and the christening date was June 6, 1854 in Lylehill, Antrim, Ireland meaning that for this to be my Jane, she would have to be born in 1854 instead of 1855. Older children on the 1881 Census in Dufferin, Marquette, Manitoba were Belinda, William, Walter, and Horace Grove. I was guessing that after that, the rest could have Jane as a mother.1901 in Stanley, Lisgar, Manitoba included Armon, Cora, and Benjamin James. Do you have access to any of the earlier censuses? 1861 and 1871 might be very informative, probably for Ottawa. Allan was born in Billings Bridge in 1876 but Violet was born in Manitoba in 1878. Should find Belinda and possibly other older siblings on the 1871.. Thanks Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Shannon" <sylviashannon@shaw.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Canadian census dates were > 2 Jan 1852 > 14 Jan 1861 > 2 Apr 1871 > 4 Apr 1881 > 6 Apr 1891 > 31 Mar 1901 > 1881 Census was to be done on 4 April so she would not have had her > birthday yet and so could have been born 24 Apr 1855 and list her age as > 27. > Sylvia Shannon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "p&rgordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> > To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 PM > Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell > Spence > > >> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William >> Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. >> 1875, he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as >> on the 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and Jane >> was 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone find a >> record of his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove that the >> William born in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. They were >> both Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I don't know >> where, on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if Jane was >> really born 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 according >> to the census, so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone find William >> and Jane's marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan Forest Johnson, >> born in Billings Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who died in Carman, >> Manitoba. William and Jane moved there later on. There ! >> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find >> out more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >> Peggy >> >> >> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >> someone may have the answer to add to your >> family group sheets >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Thank you Sandy. I live in British Columbia. I would be so grateful if you were able to find out any information for me. Is Centrepointe another library? Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Lang" <lang.sandy@gmail.com> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > Hi Peggy, > > I am not sure where you are living but this book is available in the > Ottawa > Library Main Branch as well as Centerpointe. > > "Index to marriage registrations of Ontario, Canada, 1869-1873" compiled > and > edited by Renie A. Rumpel ; assisted by Carrie J. Slingsby. > > It should have William and Jane listed. > > Billings Bridge is a community now in Ottawa, sort of south central. > > I will look up what I can for you at Centerpointe and I have a contact who > does looks ups at the main Branch for me. > > Let me know :) > > > Sandy > Ottawa > > > On 1/18/06, p&rgordon <p&rgordon@telus.net> wrote: >> >> These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William >> Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. >> 1875, >> he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as on the >> 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and Jane was >> 27. It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone find a >> record >> of his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove that the William >> born in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. They were both >> Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I don't know >> where, >> on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if Jane was really born >> 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 according to the >> census, >> so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone find William and Jane's >> marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan Forest Johnson, born in >> Billings >> Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who died in Carman, Manitoba. William >> and >> Jane moved there later on. There ! >> was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin >> James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find >> out >> more about William and Jane, especially their parents. >> Peggy > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > List Admin for CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L: > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Canadian census dates were 2 Jan 1852 14 Jan 1861 2 Apr 1871 4 Apr 1881 6 Apr 1891 31 Mar 1901 1881 Census was to be done on 4 April so she would not have had her birthday yet and so could have been born 24 Apr 1855 and list her age as 27. Sylvia Shannon ----- Original Message ----- From: "p&rgordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 PM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] William Robert Johnston and Jane Russell Spence > These are my g grandparents. I think, but am not positive, that William > Robert was born Apr 14, 1831 in Ottawa, Carleton County. . Approx. 1875, > he married Jane Russell Spence. Jane would be his second wife, as on the > 1881 Canadian Census there is a Belinda who is 18 yr. old and Jane was 27. > It is impossible for Jane to be her mother. Can anyone find a record of > his first marriage? Would there be any way to prove that the William born > in 1831 is the same William who married Jane. They were both > Presbyterian. Jane was supposed to be born in Ireland, I don't know > where, on Apr 24, 1855 but of Scotch descent. I wonder if Jane was really > born 1854. Jane's emigration was supposed to be in 1862 according to the > census, so at age 7. Can anyone help me? Can anyone find William and > Jane's marriage in Ontario? They had a son Allan Forest Johnson, born in > Billings Bridge (where is that) Ontario, who died in Carman, Manitoba. > William and Jane moved there later on. There ! > was a Violet Jane, Gertrude, Cora May, Armon Harrington, and Benjamin > James born in Manitoba. Armon is my grandfather. I do so want to find > out more about William and Jane, especially their parents. > Peggy > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Remember -- no query is ever too small, > someone may have the answer to add to your > family group sheets > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >