From Australia - hearty congratulations to all concerned. It is a fantastic source to have at hand when so far from records. Keep up the fantastic work, in appreciation Denise Australia.

Hi Marg, Thank you very much for all this. I did have the marriage of Hannah and William, stating parents James and Jane Raine. Therefore, I wonder if the censuses with James could be Hannah's brother rather than father, as the James on the 1881 census is born about 1834 and Hannah about 1841, according to the marriage info. Same with the death info on James. But thank you anyway. It all helps and I do appreciate it. Do you have any means to find out about the birth of Velinda Johnston, about 1863? Parents William and whoever (probably Hannah). Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg mcfarlane" <mmcfarla@telusplanet.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Marriages of William R. Johnston, born April 14, 1831, Gloucester Twp, > Hi Peggy: > > I imagine you already have this: > > Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record > about Hannah Rain > Name: Hannah Rain > Birth Place: Gloucester Township Residence: Gloucester Township Age: 19 > Father Name: James Rain Mother Name: Jane Rain Estimated Birth Year: 1841 > Spouse Name: William Johnston > Spouse's Age: 26 Spouse Birth Place: Gloucester Township Spouse Residence: > Gloucester Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1834 Spouse Father Name: > James Johnson Spouse Mother Name : Margaret Johnson Marriage Date: 20 Feb > 1860 > Marriage Place: Ottawa Marriage County: Carleton Family History Library > Microfilm: 1030062 > From the child James' birth reg: > > Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record > about James Henry Raine > Name: James Henry Raine > Date of Birth: 2 Oct 1870 > Gender: Male Birth County: Carleton Father's Name: William Johnston, > Ottawa, mechanic and saw filer > Mother's Name: Hannah Adevin Raine > Physician: Dr. Van Courtlandt > Roll Number: MS929_1 Reg/ #019824 > > Adevin looks to be Hannah's middle name, not a surname. > > Here is James Raine: > > Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record > > County of Carleton, Division of Ottawa > Name: James Raine > Death Date: 15 Apr 1902 > Death Location: 364 Slater?(Registrar's handwriting is awful!) Ottawa, > Carleton Occupation: Ex-policeman > Marital Status: Married Religion: Protestant > Gender: Male Age: 67 years > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Birth Location: Carleton County,Ont > Cause: Bright's disease, 2 years > Physician & Informant: Dr. James Seager > Reg #006819 April 16, 1902 > > Have you ordered/viewed this 1871 census entry in case it is your William? > If his birth year was off by 4 years on the marriage entry, perhaps it was > also off by 4 years the other direction on the census: > > Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) > > JOHNSON , WILLIAM > > Sex: Male > Age: 44 > Birthplace: ONTARIO > Religion: Church of England, Anglican > Origin: IRISH > Occupation: FARMER > District: CARLETON ( 078 ) > Sub-district: Huntley ( G ) > Division: 1 > Page: 10 > Microfilm reel: C-10,016 > Reference: RG31 -- Statistics Canada > > The Raine's in 1901 and the Robertsons are in the same household: > > 1901 Census of Canada Page Information > District: ON OTTAWA (City/Cité) (#100) > Subdistrict: St. George (Ward/Quartier) E-4 Page 6 > Images are from National Archives Web Site > Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6488 > > Raine James M Head M Aug 9 1834 ON > Presbyterian Bailiff > Raine Isabella F Wife M Oct 28 1841 > Robertson Ettie F Head W Jan 3 1868 Gov't > painting bureau > Robertson Mary Gertrude F Daughter S Apr 27 age 10 > Can't read birth location Robertson Mary Catherine F > Daughter S Dec 7 age 7 same Robertson Mary Lillian F > Daughter S Sep 4 age 4 same > > In 1881: > > James RAINE M Male English 44 O. <Ontario> > Labourer C. Presbyterian > Isabela RAINE M Female Scottish 37 O. > <Ontario> C. Presbyterian > James RAINE Male English 13 O. <Ontario> > C. Presbyterian > Anna RAINE Female English 11 O. <Ontario> > C. Presbyterian > John RAINE Male English 8 O. <Ontario> C. > Presbyterian > Mary RAINE Female English 6 O. <Ontario> > C. Presbyterian > George RAINE Male English 3 O. <Ontario> > C. Presbyterian > > Source Information: > Census Place Wellington Ward, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario > Family History Library Film 1375865 > NA Film Number C-13229 > District 105 > Sub-district A > Division 2 > Page Number 26 > Household Number 127 > > Marg > > p&rgordon wrote: > >>William R. is my g grandfather. He was born April 14, 1831. It is my >>belief that he first married Hannah Adwen Raine in 1860. His parents on >>the entry are given as James Johnson and Margaret Johnson (note no "t" in >>Johnson) , but the age is 26, rather than 30. I think it is him but am >>not 100% sure. Hannah died on January 28, 1871 and an infant son died in >>1871, supposedly at age of 10 days. However, I wonder if the age is 100 >>days, as I found the birth of James Henry Raine Johnston, Oct 2, 1870, >>with parents William and Hannah Adevin. I know there was a James and Jane >>Raine living in the same area at that time, and Hannah who married William >>Johnston is their daughter, so think that Adevin is incorrect. As for >>James Henry , if he died 10 days into 1871, he would be 100 days old. I >>know for sure that he married my g grandmother Jane Russell Spence, but >>not sure when. I think it was later in 1871, possibly Sept. as Walter was >>born June 1872. Can anyone find this second marriage in particular? Or >>tell me more about the first marriage. One clue might be that I know that >>William had a daughter Velinda E. (Belinda) from his first marriage so if >>her birth was found (about 1863), it might have the mother's name. >>Velinda is with William and Jane Russell on a later census in Manitoba and >>she is only 9 years younger than Jane so cannot be her biological >>daughter. Same with a son William born about 1870. >>Thanks for any help. >>Peggy >> >>==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >>Remember -- no query is ever too small, >>someone may have the answer to add to your >>family group sheets >> >>============================== >>View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > The 1911 census records are being transcribed! > It is fun -- http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ > Another way to find family members > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. 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Hi Peggy: I imagine you already have this: Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record about Hannah Rain Name: Hannah Rain Birth Place: Gloucester Township Residence: Gloucester Township Age: 19 Father Name: James Rain Mother Name: Jane Rain Estimated Birth Year: 1841 Spouse Name: William Johnston Spouse's Age: 26 Spouse Birth Place: Gloucester Township Spouse Residence: Gloucester Township Spouse Estimated Birth Year: 1834 Spouse Father Name: James Johnson Spouse Mother Name : Margaret Johnson Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1860 Marriage Place: Ottawa Marriage County: Carleton Family History Library Microfilm: 1030062 From the child James' birth reg: Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1907 Record about James Henry Raine Name: James Henry Raine Date of Birth: 2 Oct 1870 Gender: Male Birth County: Carleton Father's Name: William Johnston, Ottawa, mechanic and saw filer Mother's Name: Hannah Adevin Raine Physician: Dr. Van Courtlandt Roll Number: MS929_1 Reg/ #019824 Adevin looks to be Hannah's middle name, not a surname. Here is James Raine: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Carleton, Division of Ottawa Name: James Raine Death Date: 15 Apr 1902 Death Location: 364 Slater?(Registrar's handwriting is awful!) Ottawa, Carleton Occupation: Ex-policeman Marital Status: Married Religion: Protestant Gender: Male Age: 67 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Birth Location: Carleton County,Ont Cause: Bright's disease, 2 years Physician & Informant: Dr. James Seager Reg #006819 April 16, 1902 Have you ordered/viewed this 1871 census entry in case it is your William? If his birth year was off by 4 years on the marriage entry, perhaps it was also off by 4 years the other direction on the census: Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) JOHNSON , WILLIAM Sex: Male Age: 44 Birthplace: ONTARIO Religion: Church of England, Anglican Origin: IRISH Occupation: FARMER District: CARLETON ( 078 ) Sub-district: Huntley ( G ) Division: 1 Page: 10 Microfilm reel: C-10,016 Reference: RG31 -- Statistics Canada The Raine's in 1901 and the Robertsons are in the same household: 1901 Census of Canada Page Information District: ON OTTAWA (City/Cité) (#100) Subdistrict: St. George (Ward/Quartier) E-4 Page 6 Images are from National Archives Web Site Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6488 Raine James M Head M Aug 9 1834 ON Presbyterian Bailiff Raine Isabella F Wife M Oct 28 1841 Robertson Ettie F Head W Jan 3 1868 Gov't painting bureau Robertson Mary Gertrude F Daughter S Apr 27 age 10 Can't read birth location Robertson Mary Catherine F Daughter S Dec 7 age 7 same Robertson Mary Lillian F Daughter S Sep 4 age 4 same In 1881: James RAINE M Male English 44 O. <Ontario> Labourer C. Presbyterian Isabela RAINE M Female Scottish 37 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian James RAINE Male English 13 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian Anna RAINE Female English 11 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian John RAINE Male English 8 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian Mary RAINE Female English 6 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian George RAINE Male English 3 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian Source Information: Census Place Wellington Ward, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375865 NA Film Number C-13229 District 105 Sub-district A Division 2 Page Number 26 Household Number 127 Marg p&rgordon wrote: >William R. is my g grandfather. He was born April 14, 1831. It is my belief that he first married Hannah Adwen Raine in 1860. His parents on the entry are given as James Johnson and Margaret Johnson (note no "t" in Johnson) , but the age is 26, rather than 30. I think it is him but am not 100% sure. Hannah died on January 28, 1871 and an infant son died in 1871, supposedly at age of 10 days. However, I wonder if the age is 100 days, as I found the birth of James Henry Raine Johnston, Oct 2, 1870, with parents William and Hannah Adevin. I know there was a James and Jane Raine living in the same area at that time, and Hannah who married William Johnston is their daughter, so think that Adevin is incorrect. As for James Henry , if he died 10 days into 1871, he would be 100 days old. > I know for sure that he married my g grandmother Jane Russell Spence, but not sure when. I think it was later in 1871, possibly Sept. as Walter was born June 1872. Can anyone find this second marriage in particular? Or tell me more about the first marriage. One clue might be that I know that William had a daughter Velinda E. (Belinda) from his first marriage so if her birth was found (about 1863), it might have the mother's name. Velinda is with William and Jane Russell on a later census in Manitoba and she is only 9 years younger than Jane so cannot be her biological daughter. Same with a son William born about 1870. >Thanks for any help. >Peggy > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Remember -- no query is ever too small, >someone may have the answer to add to your >family group sheets > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello, Time to bring out my needle-in-a-haystack again! My husband's great grandfather was William HARRIS, b. abt. 1826 to James HARRIS & Mary SPICER, somewhere in England. His life story is one big blank before 1874, when at age 48 years, he married Maria Ann PIERCE in Fitzroy Twp., Carleton County, ON. He reported that he was a bachelor, but I'm wondering if that was true, given his age. Have not managed to locate him in Carleton County, or anywhere else, on the 1871 census. Maybe he came to Canada between 1871 - 1874? Just guessing, without more info. He was a stone mason by trade, later a farmer. He was Church of England. He died at age 60, in 1886, of complications of diabetes, leaving behind his wife & children - Mary Ann, Sarah, Hannah, James & William John. One day, I would like to discover when William HARRIS entered Canada & with whom (if anyone). What did he do with the first 48 years of his life & where was he? Where exactly was he born & who are his siblings (if any)? Thank you for any new clues about this mystery man! Some have suggested a William HARRIS, same age, trade etc. living in Belleville in 1871, but he has been thoroughly checked out & his burial found - not the same man. Mary Harris

Many thanks Denise on behalf of all who helped in Nova Scotia and this also goes for transcribers who are working on the Carleton area records -- I happen to be formerly from Nova Scotia -- do not know whether it was some of Don Messer music or some of my brother's music -- but we struggled on. I have checked other areas of Canada and I believe the City of Halifax records were printed last -- many are sending corrections to me so descendants may be able to search. The proofreaders still have to view our work. Denise -- it sounds like you are from Nova Scotia -- or am I reading something into your message. For many others who might like Nova Scotian census records , these are posted on the URL I gave -- my personal homepage -- records go back as far as about 1650. Muriel -- list admin -- CAN-ONT-CARLETON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] NOVA SCOTIA Now Officially First Province With 100% 1911 Census Records Transcribed From Australia - hearty congratulations to all concerned. It is a fantastic source to have at hand when so far from records. Keep up the fantastic work, in appreciation Denise Australia.

To all:- NOVA SCOTIA is now officially the first province to have 100% of the 1911 census records transcribed -- HOORAY! It has been a great deal of hard work, especially with the City of Halifax transcriptions -- I am certain the enumerator zig-zagged along one street and so did the numbers he assigned to the homes. For many transcribers, there are black marks beside some districts, generally for pages with more than 50 lines -- as I do not have all email addresses, it would be nice to take an extra look. Many thanks to all enumerators, whether in my group, or others. Also thanks for corrections now being sent to me -- I appreciate this very much as the handwriting was very difficult to read. As for Dave Tanner -- when we had questions -- he answered -- many thanks --- and remember, Lunenburg County was the first to have 100% in Nova Scotia. Which province will be next? Nova Scotia's flag is already proudly waving at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/ Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Brampton, ON -- formerly Nova Scotia Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee

William R. is my g grandfather. He was born April 14, 1831. It is my belief that he first married Hannah Adwen Raine in 1860. His parents on the entry are given as James Johnson and Margaret Johnson (note no "t" in Johnson) , but the age is 26, rather than 30. I think it is him but am not 100% sure. Hannah died on January 28, 1871 and an infant son died in 1871, supposedly at age of 10 days. However, I wonder if the age is 100 days, as I found the birth of James Henry Raine Johnston, Oct 2, 1870, with parents William and Hannah Adevin. I know there was a James and Jane Raine living in the same area at that time, and Hannah who married William Johnston is their daughter, so think that Adevin is incorrect. As for James Henry , if he died 10 days into 1871, he would be 100 days old. I know for sure that he married my g grandmother Jane Russell Spence, but not sure when. I think it was later in 1871, possibly Sept. as Walter was born June 1872. Can anyone find this second marriage in particular? Or tell me more about the first marriage. One clue might be that I know that William had a daughter Velinda E. (Belinda) from his first marriage so if her birth was found (about 1863), it might have the mother's name. Velinda is with William and Jane Russell on a later census in Manitoba and she is only 9 years younger than Jane so cannot be her biological daughter. Same with a son William born about 1870. Thanks for any help. Peggy

Thanks, Doris, I'll get on it. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Hope" <dgrierson@cyberus.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Deevy/Foley family contact me? > To Bonnie: Below is a copy of the letter I forwarded to Bill Woodruff > whom I have already made you aware as one interested in the Deevy family. > > You will notice that I gave him the names of two grandchildren of John > Deevy : Ann Powers and Michael Fahey (Tel. 613-8290782). The person who > did most of the research on the family was a Fitzgerald descendant who is > now deceased. I don't know that any one of her family is now interested. > > Below is my letter to Bill Woodruff: > Yes, the Michael Deevy and Sarah Kinch family of Nepean township is the > same family as yours. First census records show the family's name in > Canada as Davy or Davie. Michael and Sarah had at least 3 sons: Michael > who first married a Spearman and then Anna Rivington of Huntley; John, of > Nepean, who married Mary Ann Foley, and William, first of Goulbourn and > then of Cumberland, who married Ann Scharf > > The latter had 13 children, one of whom was John who married Eliza Jane > Watchorn. Another was Samuel who married Ellen Jane Grifftith. The > family in Cumberland used the spelling of "Deavy". For particular > information on your branch of the family, you can try to locate a > Mrs.Germaine Deavy, R. R. #1, Navan, Ont, who sent a query to the Ottawa > Genealogical Branch in 1981. setting out her family names and asking for > information. Her query was published In the Ottawa Branch News, Vol XIV, > #6, Nov., 1981. Maybe she is still alive and may not, but she probably > left some family members who could be contacted. > > My personal knowledge is of the John Deevy family who married Mary Ann > Foley. I went to elementary school with the family. Their daughter Alice > passed to me much personal information. She has now passed on, but she > has a daughter Ann Powers who lives in Nepean (Tel 225-5737). Alice also > had a son, a Michael Fahey who lives at 2552 Carling Ave., Ottawa, whom > you could contact > > Another relative of Alice Deevy (later Fahey), a Fitzgerald girl who > did much research into their Irish ancestry, found a document (CO384 Vol. > 1, page 186, Reel B876 for 1817_ in the National Archives which indicated > that the Kinch, the Deevy and the Fitzgerald family all wished to emigrate > from Ireland at the same time. You might be interested in looking there." > > With this further information and contacts, I hope you will be > successful in your endeavours. Regards Doris Hope > > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > No more census petitions needed!! The 1911 to 2001 > Canada census records were passed June 28, 2005! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

To Bonnie: Below is a copy of the letter I forwarded to Bill Woodruff whom I have already made you aware as one interested in the Deevy family. You will notice that I gave him the names of two grandchildren of John Deevy : Ann Powers and Michael Fahey (Tel. 613-8290782). The person who did most of the research on the family was a Fitzgerald descendant who is now deceased. I don't know that any one of her family is now interested. Below is my letter to Bill Woodruff: Yes, the Michael Deevy and Sarah Kinch family of Nepean township is the same family as yours. First census records show the family's name in Canada as Davy or Davie. Michael and Sarah had at least 3 sons: Michael who first married a Spearman and then Anna Rivington of Huntley; John, of Nepean, who married Mary Ann Foley, and William, first of Goulbourn and then of Cumberland, who married Ann Scharf The latter had 13 children, one of whom was John who married Eliza Jane Watchorn. Another was Samuel who married Ellen Jane Grifftith. The family in Cumberland used the spelling of "Deavy". For particular information on your branch of the family, you can try to locate a Mrs.Germaine Deavy, R. R. #1, Navan, Ont, who sent a query to the Ottawa Genealogical Branch in 1981. setting out her family names and asking for information. Her query was published In the Ottawa Branch News, Vol XIV, #6, Nov., 1981. Maybe she is still alive and may not, but she probably left some family members who could be contacted. My personal knowledge is of the John Deevy family who married Mary Ann Foley. I went to elementary school with the family. Their daughter Alice passed to me much personal information. She has now passed on, but she has a daughter Ann Powers who lives in Nepean (Tel 225-5737). Alice also had a son, a Michael Fahey who lives at 2552 Carling Ave., Ottawa, whom you could contact Another relative of Alice Deevy (later Fahey), a Fitzgerald girl who did much research into their Irish ancestry, found a document (CO384 Vol. 1, page 186, Reel B876 for 1817_ in the National Archives which indicated that the Kinch, the Deevy and the Fitzgerald family all wished to emigrate from Ireland at the same time. You might be interested in looking there." With this further information and contacts, I hope you will be successful in your endeavours. Regards Doris Hope

To all -- There is one very definite way to assist obtaining of grants for YOUR municipality - very definitely from the federal level. The City of Brampton, Ontario has moRe than 450,000 residents, even if some are long-time visitors. However, on the 2001 census, only the total of 354,000 residents were enumerated - others were either (1) not eligible as non-Canadian citizens or (2) could not be bothered. Any grant to the City of Brampton is based on the 2001 census. After May 16, 2006, grants will be based on the number enumerated, whether by mail or online -- so if anyone has a gripe because a grant has not been received, all YOU have to do is make certain your census form is returned, complete with YES to the very important question. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- Greetings All. In our quest to encourage EVERYONE to answer YES to the informed consent question on the upcoming Census I have been asked to advise regarding the benefits of doing so, and for what purposes Historic Census can be used. Aside from the obvious uses of genealogists seeking ancestors to add to their family tree, a few uses that come immediately to mind are: 1. To determine age eligility for pensions, etc., where no other sources such as birth certificates are available. 2. To determine descendancy to settle estates where no will has been found. 3. To provide clues regarding genetically inherited diseases and disabilities. Who among you can suggest other beneficial uses for Historical Census records? Please let me know. On Census Day, 16 May 2006, make sure you answer YES to allow your information to be made available to your descendants in 2098. Make sure everyone you know does as well. Spread the word! Enjoy the Census! Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, British Columbia Read my column, 'Gordon Watts Reports' at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/author/authgw.htm

Very often, one is bounced off a mail liat and the following if how to check to see if YOU are still on the list. http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ You will have to remember your password if requested. The list will be sent and then you may be surprised that your address is not included. Will finish the updating of SUBS and UNSUBS tomorrow. Muriel - list admin

Hello: I'm looking for the descendants of John Deevy & Mary Ann Foley who married in 1852. There is a big family and I'm hoping someone will contact me. John is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery (1920) in Fallowfield with his wife. Children:- Celia Julia married Nicholas CARROLL James married Rose Ann FITZGERALD Mary Ann Alice married Dennis HOGAN Aliva Emma married Albert McGUIRE Theresa Mary married Michael SHEA Martha Mary married Gerald FITZGERALD Adeline Mary married John HOGAN Ann Delina married John BARTHOLOMEW Sarah I have some questions about the family genealogy. Would someone write me? Thanks, Bonnie

Hi Marg, I want to thank you so much for your help. I sent an email to the Ottawa Genealogy Society and hope to hear from them soon. Thanks again for your help and for the suggestions. Beverly On Monday, March 27, 2006, at 06:46 PM, marg mcfarlane wrote: > Hi Bev: > > If the deaths occurred and were indeed registered in Ontario, they > should be available at your local LDS family history centre. If the > LDS does not have the Ontario death index films in stock, they will > order them for a nominal fee. You have to get the registration number > from the index film for each of the deaths that you find, then with > that number you can order the actual death reg. > > However, they may not have died in Ontario at all. Perhaps they went > to live with a relative in another province or state. Or they may > have died in Ontario but the deaths were never properly registered > with the Province. Registration was supposed to begin in abt 1869 but > there were tons and tons of people who never did register their family > births, marriages and deaths. Sometimes it was the local assessor, > surveyor, a neighbor, funeral home or clergyman who reported these > events. And sometimes, they just didn't get reported at all. > If that is the case, the only record you may find will be the > tombstone or perhaps if the cemetery office or church that they > attended has records back that far, you might find an entry that way. > > The newspaper obit was a good suggestion but back then, unless you > were a prominent person, it was usually just a on-liner, if anything > at all was published. > > Have you tried contacting the relevent branch of the Ontario Genealogy > Society, main page here: > > http://www.ogs.on.ca/ > > Click on Branches to find the one that covers the area you are > interested in. You could ask them if they know if any church records > still exist for that time period, assuming you know which denomination > they were. > > Sorry! > > Marg > > Beverly wrote: > >> Hi Marg. >> Duncan was born in 1804 and Helen in 1808. This according to their >> stones, and both born in Perthshire, Scotland, >> and as far as I know both died in Kenmore, Ontario. >> Can you suggest any other way that I might find this information? I >> have contacted the Osgoode Twp. Historical Society & Musuem but they >> have nothing on them except for the pictures of the stones. >> Thank you very much for your help. >> Beverly >> > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is the heritage of all people -- > History of the decade being researched helps us > understand how our ancestors lived and worked. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Nope not him but thanks Steve.

Beverly: Did the stone in Springhill have exact dates of death by any chance or just the year of death. Springhill Cemetery is just south of Ottawa, I have been there many times myself so possibly there would be very brief death notices in the local Ottawa papers of the day but only if you have more than just a year of death. Let me know and feel free to respond directly to my e-mail. Thanks, Leigh.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly" <tomsmom@ipa.net> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Spam Alert: [Can-Ont-Carleton] McArthur-McLaren Death Registrations > If Death Registrations for 1881 and 1887 are available, could some one > please see if > Duncan McArthur who died in 1881 and his wife Helen McLaren who died in > 1887 are > shown. > They lived in Kenmore and are buried in Springhill Cemetery. The two dates > came from > their Head Stone. > Helen is shown as Ellen McArther in the 1881 in Osgoode, Russell, Ontario > and also > is listed as a widow. > Any help will be very much appreciated. > Thanks > Beverly > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Remember -- no query is ever too small, > someone may have the answer to add to your > family group sheets > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi Bev: If the deaths occurred and were indeed registered in Ontario, they should be available at your local LDS family history centre. If the LDS does not have the Ontario death index films in stock, they will order them for a nominal fee. You have to get the registration number from the index film for each of the deaths that you find, then with that number you can order the actual death reg. However, they may not have died in Ontario at all. Perhaps they went to live with a relative in another province or state. Or they may have died in Ontario but the deaths were never properly registered with the Province. Registration was supposed to begin in abt 1869 but there were tons and tons of people who never did register their family births, marriages and deaths. Sometimes it was the local assessor, surveyor, a neighbor, funeral home or clergyman who reported these events. And sometimes, they just didn't get reported at all. If that is the case, the only record you may find will be the tombstone or perhaps if the cemetery office or church that they attended has records back that far, you might find an entry that way. The newspaper obit was a good suggestion but back then, unless you were a prominent person, it was usually just a on-liner, if anything at all was published. Have you tried contacting the relevent branch of the Ontario Genealogy Society, main page here: http://www.ogs.on.ca/ Click on Branches to find the one that covers the area you are interested in. You could ask them if they know if any church records still exist for that time period, assuming you know which denomination they were. Sorry! Marg Beverly wrote: > Hi Marg. > Duncan was born in 1804 and Helen in 1808. This according to their > stones, and both born in Perthshire, Scotland, > and as far as I know both died in Kenmore, Ontario. > Can you suggest any other way that I might find this information? I > have contacted the Osgoode Twp. Historical Society & Musuem but they > have nothing on them except for the pictures of the stones. > Thank you very much for your help. > Beverly >

Hi Marg. Duncan was born in 1804 and Helen in 1808. This according to their stones, and both born in Perthshire, Scotland, and as far as I know both died in Kenmore, Ontario. Can you suggest any other way that I might find this information? I have contacted the Osgoode Twp. Historical Society & Musuem but they have nothing on them except for the pictures of the stones. Thank you very much for your help. Beverly On Monday, March 27, 2006, at 03:47 PM, marg mcfarlane wrote: > Hi: > Only one I could find close in date. You didn't mention a birth year > or birthplace which would help when searching: > > Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record > > County of Victoria, Division of Eldon > > Name: Duncan McArthur > Death Date: 12 Mar 1882 > Death Location: Victoria Age: 75 > Occup; Farmer > Religion: Presbyterian > Gender: Male Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Birth Location: Islay,Sct > Reg. #017528 > > Couldn't find Helen/Ellen at all, no matter how I searched. May be > indexed very badly, not registered at all, etc. > > Sorry! > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > Beverly wrote: > >> If Death Registrations for 1881 and 1887 are available, could some >> one please see if >> Duncan McArthur who died in 1881 and his wife Helen McLaren who died >> in 1887 are >> shown. >> They lived in Kenmore and are buried in Springhill Cemetery. The two >> dates came from >> their Head Stone. >> Helen is shown as Ellen McArther in the 1881 in Osgoode, Russell, >> Ontario and also >> is listed as a widow. >> Any help will be very much appreciated. >> Thanks >> Beverly >> >> >> ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >> Remember -- no query is ever too small, >> someone may have the answer to add to your >> family group sheets >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is the heritage of all people -- > History of the decade being researched helps us > understand how our ancestors lived and worked. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

If Death Registrations for 1881 and 1887 are available, could some one please see if Duncan McArthur who died in 1881 and his wife Helen McLaren who died in 1887 are shown. They lived in Kenmore and are buried in Springhill Cemetery. The two dates came from their Head Stone. Helen is shown as Ellen McArther in the 1881 in Osgoode, Russell, Ontario and also is listed as a widow. Any help will be very much appreciated. Thanks Beverly

Hi: Only one I could find close in date. You didn't mention a birth year or birthplace which would help when searching: Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1932 Record County of Victoria, Division of Eldon Name: Duncan McArthur Death Date: 12 Mar 1882 Death Location: Victoria Age: 75 Occup; Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Gender: Male Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Birth Location: Islay,Sct Reg. #017528 Couldn't find Helen/Ellen at all, no matter how I searched. May be indexed very badly, not registered at all, etc. Sorry! Marg in Sunny Alberta Beverly wrote: > If Death Registrations for 1881 and 1887 are available, could some > one please see if > Duncan McArthur who died in 1881 and his wife Helen McLaren who died > in 1887 are > shown. > They lived in Kenmore and are buried in Springhill Cemetery. The two > dates came from > their Head Stone. > Helen is shown as Ellen McArther in the 1881 in Osgoode, Russell, > Ontario and also > is listed as a widow. > Any help will be very much appreciated. > Thanks > Beverly > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Remember -- no query is ever too small, > someone may have the answer to add to your > family group sheets > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

He was born abt 1848 to Alexander Fulton and Arrilla in Saint Lawrence County New York and his father was Methodist so think the 1881 shows his family but dont have access to 1891 and later just have 1911 with Ancestry but that's 30 yr jump. Steve.