Dear Listers, Would someone have access to the 1860 census that would be willing to do a lookup for me? I just have no other avenue to find out where my McEnerny family would have been in Ontario. Rather, I should say, I don't know of any other avenue to check. The only clue for area to look in is a notation on the death record of Katherine McEnerny that states that she was born near Ottawa. Father would be John McEnerny age is unknown would be born in Ireland, wife is Mary, she would be about 45 years of age also born in Ireland. There will be a son Michael who will be about 13 years of age born in Ireland, and then daughter Katherine born in 1856 in Canada so she will be about 4 years of age. I don't know if there were other children or not. Regards, Anne Marie Oregon, USA

Hello Jeannie, I don't know if we have any link/connection, but here is my COLE surname interests: Lucy COLE b. 14 Jan. 1841, Papineauville, Quebec - died March 1, 1938 Ottawa, Ont. Parents: Edward W. COLE - born 1808 in Denbury Devon England died 11 Dec. 1893 in Papineauville Que. He married Mary CAMERON 16 Jan. 1838 in Clarence, Lower Canada. She was born l Jan. 1813, Lochaber, Highlands of Scotland - died 22 March 1863 in Papineauville, Quebec. Their Children: George Williams, b. 11 Nov. 1838 Lucy COLE ( this is my line - she married Lee Hugh HILLMAN - 1862), Katherine b. 1844, Mary Ann, b. 1846, Harry b. 1847, Edwin Alfed b. 1849 and James Colin b. 1852. All born in Papineauville, Quebec. I have a complete list of Descendants starting with Generation 1 - John COLE b. 1704/05 in Bishop's Nympton, North Devon Engalnd. In my library searches etc. I have found: 1) Marriage registry for Hiram COLE & Samantha COLDGROVE 23 Sept 1833, witnesses - Christy M. Dougall and William Edwards, Reel MS 248 # 3, (Early Marriages - Ottawa, O nt.) 2) - Edward COLE - married Mary CAMERON - 6 Jan 1838 by Banns - by Rev. John Edwards, Pastor of Baptist Church Clarence Ont. Reel - MS 248 # 3, Early Marriages - Ottawa, Ont. 3) Samuel COLE - 29 yrs. of North Gower, Ont. b. in Canada parents -- John & Sarah COLE - TO- Mary Jane ? was not clear - MISE- parents- Edward & Sara MISE ?? Witnesses- Josh J. MISE ? Of Ottawa , Wm Pettypiece of North Gower & George Mason of ? Brudnell - on 1 Jan 1862 married by - Minister Wm. SCOTT of Wesleyan Methodist Church. Marriage reel Ms 248 # 12 Ottawa, Ont. and this Land Grant - Isaac COLE - 19 January 1820 - Lot 17 - Consc. 1 - 200 Acres, Twp Harvey District of Newcastle ** remarks - Serjeant Militia Isaac COLE - 28 Sept 1820- Lot 7 - Consc. 6, 200 Acres, Darling Twp., Lanark, (S.U.E. ) ** not sure what these stand for! Sending this along in hopes that some of this data might be useful. Good Luck, Dorothy E. Morris Whitby On Can

l'm searching the Cole line from Ireland settled in North Gower Carleton County in the 1850-then in Luther Twsp. Wellington County . Any connection? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-CARLETON] Re-posting my surname interests. > Hello to All Listers, > Anyone searching or linked to any branches of my TREE? > surnames are; HILLMAN, CUMMINGS, DOLE, SURTEES, WOTLEY, ELLIOTT, > CHAPMAN, HOLLINSWORTH, GRIMES, MCAULEY,GRANT, KNAPP, COOKE, HOWARD, WILLCOX, > WRIGHT, MILLER, COLE > Willing to share my data and hoping to "link" with someone out there. > Thanks in advance, > Dorothy E. Morris > Whitby On. Can. > p.s. (this is my maternal line and early settlers of > Lochaber,Thurso,Papineauville > (Lower Canada - came under Ottawa East in early days) and many settled in the > Ottawa area. Many thanks again. > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check out the Carleton County GenWeb page generously hosted by Kathleen O'Brien at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/index.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

GOOD LUCK >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-CARLETON] Re-posting my surname interests. >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:27:08 EST > >Thanks so very much Ron. >Will let you know if anything turns up. Helping one another is what this >genealogy >hobby is all about - right? >Regards, >Dorothy > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Please feel free to contact me at: >[email protected] > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

DOROTHY; I FOEWARDED THIS ALONG TO FAY BENNET, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU? RON >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-CARLETON] Re-posting my surname interests. >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:20:45 EST > >Hello Ronald Milford, >Sure wish I had some "facts" (data) for you, however, it does not look like >we have any link. > >I have a David HOWARD, who married Sarah HILLMAN born 30 Aug 1821, married >16 oct 1837. I have not been able to locate any other data on David >Howard! >Exception of a obituary: 22 Sept, 19332 - Evening Citizen, Ottawa - >Hattie HILLMAN - wife of David A >HOWARD died suddenly - athre home 58 Glengarry. she was born in Quebec , >daughter of the late Mr & Mrs. Irvine HILLMAN. Her husband, David A. >HOWARD >died 10 years prior 1922).Three daughters survived her; Mrs. W. Pridham, >Misses Maud 7 Edith, two brothers -Mance & Frank HILLMAN and one sister - >Mrs. S. W. Johns , Sask. Interment at Beechwood Cemetery, Ottawa. > >and... a death notice for: >HOWARD, - at Thurso, Que. on Thursday, 21 july 1932, Stephen Marshall >HOWARD, >IN HIS 80TH YEAR. Interment at Buckingham, Que. > >I have not been able to find anything other than the above.Same with >McCauley, > -I have a William MCauley, married on 6 Oct. 1861 - Thurso Quebec. to - >Catherine DOLE.. >AND...Betsy GRANT - (Elizaabeth) married - 1834 to John HILLMAN Jr. , in >Hull, Quebec. > >I have been searching for years now and find it very difficult searching my >maternal line in Quebec and Ottawa districts. > >I shall keep your information on file in case something does turn up in the >future. >Unfortunately, at this point I do not have any MILFORD's in my line. > >Good luck in your hunting. > ><[email protected]> > >Dorothy E. Morris > > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Get the Most out of your Post--Who? When? Where? >Please put the topic of your post in the subject line. >Always use [email protected] > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

DOROTHY; I HAVE A ELIZA ROSE MCAULY (MCAULTY) M GEORGE JAMES KEYES. THEIR D CATHERINE ANN KEYES 1843-1928 M GEORGE JAMES MILFORD 1864-1906 (MY GRANDPARENTS) JOSEPH ALBERT GRANT 1894-? (SON OF W. J. GRANT) B MASHAM M MARTHA "FERNE" MILFORD 1901-1975. ROBERT GEORGE "R.G." HOWARD II 1837 M MARY MILFORD 1869-1911. EVIDENTLY GEORGE WAS A WIDOWER WITH EIGHT CHILDEN WHEN HE MARRIED MARY IN 1904. CHILDREN BY MARY MILFORD: WILHELMINA ALMA HOWARD MARCH 1907-SEPTEMBER 1907 ROBERT "GEORGE" HOWARD AUGUST 25, 1908-? ANY CONNECTION? [email protected] >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CAN-ONT-CARLETON] Re-posting my surname interests. >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:08:45 EST > >Hello to All Listers, >Anyone searching or linked to any branches of my TREE? >surnames are; HILLMAN, CUMMINGS, DOLE, SURTEES, WOTLEY, ELLIOTT, >CHAPMAN, HOLLINSWORTH, GRIMES, MCAULEY,GRANT, KNAPP, COOKE, HOWARD, >WILLCOX, >WRIGHT, MILLER, COLE >Willing to share my data and hoping to "link" with someone out there. >Thanks in advance, >Dorothy E. Morris >Whitby On. Can. >p.s. (this is my maternal line and early settlers of >Lochaber,Thurso,Papineauville >(Lower Canada - came under Ottawa East in early days) and many settled in >the >Ottawa area. Many thanks again. > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Be sure to check out the Carleton County GenWeb page generously hosted by >Kathleen O'Brien at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/index.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Thanks very much R W GRANT for that data. I doubt there is a connection, however, will file for future reference in case something turns up. Much appreciated. Dorothy

Thanks so very much Ron. Will let you know if anything turns up. Helping one another is what this genealogy hobby is all about - right? Regards, Dorothy

Hello Dorothy, I have quite a bit on my paternal GRANT line (in part below), and one occurrence of KNAPP (also below). No other surnames you list. I doubt there is a connection, but just in case. GRANT Generation No. 1 1. John1 Grant b Abt. 1817 d March 15, 1875 m Anne Pennington Abt. 1850 Children of John Grant and Anne Pennington are: 2 i. John2 Grant, born Abt. 1851 3 ii. Harriet Grant, born Abt. 1856 4 iii. Ann Marie Grant, born Abt. 1857 + 5 iv. James Alexander Grant, born February 2, 1860 + 6 v. Charles Edward Grant, born August 22, 1863 + 7 vi. Caroline Matilda Grant, born Abt. 1866 8 vii. Margaret Matilda Grant, born Abt. 1868 Generation No. 2 6. Charles Edward2 Grant (John1) b. August 22, 1863 d January 25, 1941 m Rebeca Bucknell in Little Current, Manitoulin Island, ON Children of Charles Grant and Rebeca Bucknell are: 13 i. John3 Grant, born Abt. 1897 14 ii. May Grant, born Aft. 1897 15 iii. Alexander Grant, born April 13, 1900 16 iv. Herbert Grant, born August 2, 1902 17 v. Christina Grant, born May 17, 1903 18 vi. James Russel Grant, born January 21, 1905 19 vii. Elizabeth Grant, born July 17, 1908 20 viii. Beulah Grant, born 1911 21 ix. Harold Robert Grant, born October 11, 1912 22 x. Charles Edward Grant, born February 13, 1916 23 xi. George Franklin Grant, born April 19, 1918 24 xii. Isabel Mary Grant, born September 1, 1919 25 xiii. Edith Grant, born December 26, 1922 26 xiv. Alfred Frederick Grant, born July 1, 1925 KNAPP Charles Knapp b ?, d 1965 in Aldergrove, B.C. m Nellie Bucknell d 1965 in Aldergrove Nellie was Rebeca Bucknell's (wife of Charles Edward Grant) sister. Cheers, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [CAN-ONT-CARLETON] Re-posting my surname interests. > Hello to All Listers, > Anyone searching or linked to any branches of my TREE? > surnames are; HILLMAN, CUMMINGS, DOLE, SURTEES, WOTLEY, ELLIOTT, > CHAPMAN, HOLLINSWORTH, GRIMES, MCAULEY,GRANT, KNAPP, COOKE, HOWARD, WILLCOX, > WRIGHT, MILLER, COLE > Willing to share my data and hoping to "link" with someone out there. > Thanks in advance, > Dorothy E. Morris > Whitby On. Can. > p.s. (this is my maternal line and early settlers of > Lochaber,Thurso,Papineauville > (Lower Canada - came under Ottawa East in early days) and many settled in the > Ottawa area. Many thanks again. > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check out the Carleton County GenWeb page generously hosted by Kathleen O'Brien at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/index.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Ronald Milford, Sure wish I had some "facts" (data) for you, however, it does not look like we have any link. I have a David HOWARD, who married Sarah HILLMAN born 30 Aug 1821, married 16 oct 1837. I have not been able to locate any other data on David Howard! Exception of a obituary: 22 Sept, 19332 - Evening Citizen, Ottawa - Hattie HILLMAN - wife of David A HOWARD died suddenly - athre home 58 Glengarry. she was born in Quebec , daughter of the late Mr & Mrs. Irvine HILLMAN. Her husband, David A. HOWARD died 10 years prior 1922).Three daughters survived her; Mrs. W. Pridham, Misses Maud 7 Edith, two brothers -Mance & Frank HILLMAN and one sister - Mrs. S. W. Johns , Sask. Interment at Beechwood Cemetery, Ottawa. and... a death notice for: HOWARD, - at Thurso, Que. on Thursday, 21 july 1932, Stephen Marshall HOWARD, IN HIS 80TH YEAR. Interment at Buckingham, Que. I have not been able to find anything other than the above.Same with McCauley, -I have a William MCauley, married on 6 Oct. 1861 - Thurso Quebec. to - Catherine DOLE.. AND...Betsy GRANT - (Elizaabeth) married - 1834 to John HILLMAN Jr. , in Hull, Quebec. I have been searching for years now and find it very difficult searching my maternal line in Quebec and Ottawa districts. I shall keep your information on file in case something does turn up in the future. Unfortunately, at this point I do not have any MILFORD's in my line. Good luck in your hunting. <[email protected]> Dorothy E. Morris

Hello to All Listers, Anyone searching or linked to any branches of my TREE? surnames are; HILLMAN, CUMMINGS, DOLE, SURTEES, WOTLEY, ELLIOTT, CHAPMAN, HOLLINSWORTH, GRIMES, MCAULEY,GRANT, KNAPP, COOKE, HOWARD, WILLCOX, WRIGHT, MILLER, COLE Willing to share my data and hoping to "link" with someone out there. Thanks in advance, Dorothy E. Morris Whitby On. Can. p.s. (this is my maternal line and early settlers of Lochaber,Thurso,Papineauville (Lower Canada - came under Ottawa East in early days) and many settled in the Ottawa area. Many thanks again.

The following posting is on behalf of Gordon Watts, co-chair of Canada Census Committee -- the posting may be translated or forwarded. Should there be questions, contact either Gordon Watts or Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ===================================== Greetings All. It appears that I have been remiss in not updating all regarding what is happening with our legal action to obtain a 'writ of mandamus' to force Statistics Canada to transfer control of the 1906 Special Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba) over to the National Archivist. While I have provided information regarding this in my last couple of columns for the Global Gazette, I have neglected to post it to the lists. Because of requests to do so, I provide that update to the lists now. The situation to date is as follows: On 8 February 2002, our lawyer in Calgary, Lois Sparling, processed an 'Application for a Judicial Review' with the Federal Court. Lois, and the other lawyers assisting her, felt that an Application for a Judicial Review would be a faster method of achieving our goal than the court action originally contemplated. The defendants served with this Application were Dr. Ivan Fellegi - Chief Statistician of Canada; George Radwanski - Privacy Commissioner; Ian Wilson - National Archivist; John Reid - Information Commissioner; and the Attorney General of Canada. All of the defendants have filed Notices of Appearance. While this Application named Ian Wilson and John Reid as defendants, it is known that both of them have supported public access to Historic Census Records. The Attorney General is named as a defendant in any actions against the Government or any of it's departments. The Application names eleven plaintiffs from various places in Canada. Those plaintiffs have all sworn Affidavits stating their reasons for seeking access to the 1906 Census records. and those Affidavits were presented during the last week of February 2002. The next thing to happen is for the defendants to submit their Affidavits. Lois advises that the Privacy Commissioner and the Information Commissioner each have their own lawyers while the Attorney General of Canada, the Chief Statistician and the National Archivist are all being represented by the Department of Justice. It is not known at this time how long this procedure will take, but we hope to have results in a matter of months, rather than the possible years that the alternate court action could have taken. While this Application refers only to the 1906 Census, it is expected that it will set the precedent for obtaining access to at least the 1911 and 1916 Census, and likely all subsequent Census as well. The reason only the 1906 Census is mentioned is that it is the only one that has passed the 92 year period after which it should have been released (in 1998). As I understand it, a writ of mandamus is good only for something that has already happened (or not happened) and cannot be used for future violations. It should be noted that this is a parallel action to our collection of signatures on petitions, and writing to our elected and appointed representative to seek support for access to these most important records. Petitions and letters are especially important at this time when Bill C-312 is expected to be debated in the House of Commons in early April, and Bill S-12 is currently receiving Third Reading in the Senate. All are encouraged to write their own MPs and Senator's if they have not already indicated their support for access. The Scoreboards on the Post 1901 Census Project Website (at the URL following my signature) are pretty well up to date with known positions of MPs and Senators. Please check the positions shown for your representatives, and if you have correspondence from them that shows a position for them different from that shown, forward that correspondence to me so that the Scoreboard might be updated. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01

Seeking info on a Cyril BOYCE,K.C. who was a lawyer in Ottawa sometime between 1900-1936.He was born in Shadforth,Durham,England.Parents were Rev.John Cox Boyce and Mary ann Blick Fullford. He had a brother Edward Theodore BOYCE (my gfather) who was born Oct. 1865, so would assume Cyril was born somewhere within 10 years of this date. Cyril was known to be alive in 1936..Is there anyone familiar or related to this person...or does anyone know if or of an Ottawa Law Society that might have information on lawyers of this time period..Any help would be greatly appreciated and would certainly share info if requested. Many thanks.. John Carne

Up against a "solid Brick Wall" re my WOTLEY's. ( of Bristol England to Ottawa areas). One lady in particular - Nellie M. WOTLEY - born 22 Nov. 1880 in Battle Creek, Michigan, USA - had a sister, Jennie L. WOTLEY b. 23 Jan 1879 in Ottawa- Carleton).Other WOTLEY's - Frederick, born 22 Jan 1853, Bristol England to Ottawa - Harry WOTLEY, b. 3 Apr 1863 born in Bristol Engl. to Ottawa; Henry F. WOTLEY- born 2 July 1829 Bristol England to Ottawa with wife - Jane BAWDEN b.24 June- 1827, Bristol England. Also a possibility - Lillian WOTLEY ( nee DEAN) last know address was Swansea valley, South Wales. Many variations of spelling of WOTLEY, makes it very difficult. Cannot locate any records in Bristol England. Fred & Addie WOTLEY's daughter - Charlottte "Jane" Jennie WOTLEY - married Joseph Harold ELLIOTT in Carleton, Ottawa. Greatly appreciate hearing from anyone that has any info' on the above and I am willing to exchange data. With thanks in advance. Dorothy E. Morris Whitby On. Can.

I am looking for any connection or lead to WILLIAM HENRY CUDDIE married Georgiana Clarke in Ottawa probably in middle to late 1870's., may have lived in Manitoba before moving to Alberta sometime after 1900. Thank You Jay

To all: Now the Olympics are over and I am "almost" pleased with Canadian results -- however, there is a next time -- looking forward to my gr.granddaughter being one of the skating team! Now, we must work! Recently, the Globe and Mail provided us with the URL of an online survey, only available until March 1, 2002. It is being conducted by the National Archives of Canada and what we would like to have available from the Archives. Click on the URL and complete -- your name and address is not requested, only part of postal code::- http://accessible.archives.ca This survey was but one item in an impressive supplement section of the Globe and Mail newpaper of Saturday 16 February 2002. This supplement contains much information about the National Archives of Canada and plans in the works for a "Canadian Genealogy Centre". Perhaps one of the most interesting lines in this supplement was in an article titled "Digitization: A Transformation for the National Archive". This line stated "To meet the insatiable national and international demand for genealogical infromation, the returns from the 1901 Canadian Census will soon be available online, free of charge." This is indeed welcome news. Welcome also is the news that online access to these records will be free of charge, unlike the online access for the records of England, Wales, and Scotland, and the commercial enterprizes offering digitized returns in the United States. Please complete your questionnaire -- even if you have done so before. Two articles are available and will forward if one contacts me privately. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en français http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01

I have a new web site dedicated to the exchange of Irish immigration information at http://teamapproach.ca/irish/ Terrence(Terry)Young (613)721-9349 Ottawa Canada Researching: http://entrenet.com/tal/ancestor.html MORRISON/EMMERSON from Northern Ireland to Norfolk & Elgin Counties Ontario YOUNG/SERSON/SEARSON/REABY/WATKINS from Co.Tipperary Ireland to Ottawa valley Ontario GRAY/CHARLTON from Northumberland England to up-state-NewYork & Norfolk County Ontario SCOTT/ATCHISON from Roxburgshire Scotland WATSON/BOBIER from Wicklow to Ottawa valley Ontario

SORRY, CAN'T HELP YOU, THE NAME MILFORD CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. RON >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CAN-ONT-CARLETON] Tracing ELLIOTT, Otter, b. Ottawa, >bur.Beechwood Cemt. >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:45:24 EST > >Sorry.... (arthritic fingers caused typo ) (:- >yes it is - Milford ELLIOTT > >Hope to hear that you have some info/data. >Dorothy E. Morris <[email protected]> > > >==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== >Please feel free to contact me at: >[email protected] > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

To all -- and this message may be forwarded:- Everyone must be watching the Olympics -- I have received ONE petition this week -- so there will be no weekly tabulation. Both House of Commons (both languages) and Senate, also in both languages, are really needed at this time. Residents of other countries download the Non-Resident one at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm This is a very critical time and we request YOUR assistance. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01

Sorry.... (arthritic fingers caused typo ) (:- yes it is - Milford ELLIOTT Hope to hear that you have some info/data. Dorothy E. Morris <[email protected]>