Dorothy, You can send them a letter asking about this information.... They do have a girl on staff that will do this kind of research....you could call them too ( 613 - 746-4175 ).. however, I know they are getting busy at this time of year, so I doubt if they could do this while you waited on the phone.... address is : 455 Montreal Rd, Ottawa.... K1K 0V2 hope this helps Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy E. Morris" <dotemorris@rogers.com> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] Re: Ottawa's Notre Dame Cemetery, ? 455 Montreal Rd. Ottawa > Dear Listers, > Hoping someone can help me find burial details > (any data) for one of my ancestors. I have found an "obit" reads: > On Thursday, Oc. 1, 1913, Kathleen McKeevey, > beloved wife of Frank WOTLEY in her ? year, FuneralFriday Oct... at 7:45 a.m. from her late > residence - 340 Clarenct St. .. to St. Annes' Church thence to Notre dame cemetery. > Found on Reel 116, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper. > I would like to obtain full details from this cemetery. I live in Whitby On. and now ( a Senior) can no longer travel to archives etc. > Appreciate very much assistance to obtain this data. > Kind Regards, > Dorothy E. Morris > Whitby On. > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Have YOU signed a petition today? The 1911 census records may contain data about your ancestors or break down your "brick wall" - http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 4/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 4/14/2005

Dear Listers, Hoping someone can help me find burial details (any data) for one of my ancestors. I have found an "obit" reads: On Thursday, Oc. 1, 1913, Kathleen McKeevey, beloved wife of Frank WOTLEY in her ? year, FuneralFriday Oct... at 7:45 a.m. from her late residence - 340 Clarenct St. .. to St. Annes' Church thence to Notre dame cemetery. Found on Reel 116, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper. I would like to obtain full details from this cemetery. I live in Whitby On. and now ( a Senior) can no longer travel to archives etc. Appreciate very much assistance to obtain this data. Kind Regards, Dorothy E. Morris Whitby On.

Technically speaking Senator Lynch Staunton spoke on the amendment of Senator Comeau and he has not yet spoken on the substance of S-18 as a whole. As such he was entitled to take the adjournment of the debate. Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: 613-947-9744 Cel: 613-715-2965 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: Post 1901 Census - Debate on S-18 resumed Greetings All. Senate Third Reading debate on Bill S-18 -- An act to amend the Statistics Act resumed on Wednesday 13 April 2005 with Senator Wilfred P. Moore (Liberal - Nova Scotia) speaking against the access to Historic Census records sought by genealogists and historians. Since March of 2002, when he expressed support for Senator Milne's Private Senator Bill S-12, Senator Moore has been shown on our Scoreboard having a Gold Tick of Support. No more! It would appear the good Senator has done a complete about-face regarding public access to Historic Census records. His comments during his speech leave little doubt as to his opposition and as such his Gold Tick of Support has been removed and the Scoreboard now shows him having a Red X of Opposition. As have other Senators (and some MPs) who have spoken against the access we seek to regain, he made frequent references to 'promises' that have been proven never to have existed. Like others have done, he quotes two narrow clauses of the 1918 Statistics Act while ignoring all pertinent clauses of Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census from 1901 to at least 1946 (all having the Force of Law) referring to records of Census having value as historical documents, and being stored in the 'Archives of the Dominion' for research in the future. He ignores the fact that clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Privacy Regulations make provision, clearly and unambiguously, for access by any person or body for purposes of research 92 years after the Census is collected. As we have come to expect, the Honourable Senator Comeau got his two-bits worth in once more. He makes reference to individuals using Census to obtain clues relating to health concerns and them expresses concern that insurance companies could use such information to limit what kind of insurance coverage could be obtained. The fact is that Census does not give specific information relating to health concerns, but only gives vague clues on where such information might be found. For such information to be of use to insurance, or any other companies, they would be compelled to compile a multi-generation genealogy for each person seeking to purchase a policy. The likelihood of any company doing this costly and time-consuming exercise is extremely remote. We view the expressed concern of Senator Comeau in this regard simply as scare-mongering. The debate was adjourned in the name of Senator Lynch-Staunton who has already voiced objections to the access we seek in his lengthy speech of 22 March 2005. I find the adjournment in the name of Senator Lynch-Staunton interesting as I was under the impression (subject of course to correction) that Rules of the Senate [i.e. 37(1)] prohibited any Senator from speaking more than once during a particular debate. We think it unlikely that any Senator opposing the access we seek can come up with any argument that has not already been stated. We call upon the Senate to stop further delays. Pass Third Reading of Bill S-18 NOW and get it referred to the House of Commons for debate in that place. As usual, the extract from Hansard for Wednesdays debate has been placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL following my signature. Follow the link for 'Progress of Bill S-18'. There are now 40 normal sitting days before Parliament recesses for the Summer. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

hello Gordon, Try John Hayes' site at /www.failteromhat.com/ for the Flax List and other documents. There LEATHAMS (and other spellings) in the 1876 Landowners in Ireland which might guide you to their origins. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK Gordon Hillman <gordonhillman@sympatico.ca>Subject: Lathams in Fitzroy and Bristol, Quebec Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 Irish origins of Nathanial LATHAM arrived Fitzroy c1854 and appears on several census records from that time. also gathered records of his children from Anglican Diocese Ottawa. No mention made of his parents or town of origin. John LATHAM reported to have arrived c1812 (military?) from Tyrone. father reported to be Nathanial LATHAM d Ireland 1835. also a James LATHAM who would be a contemporary. Gordon Hillman Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

Hi, Check out the Lathams in Arnprior Garry

I am still working on solving the problem of the Irish origins of Nathanial LATHAM who arrived in Fitzroy about 1854 and appears on several census records from that time. I have also gathered the records of his children from the Anglican Diocese of Ottawa. No mention is made of his parents or town of origin. In my searching I have come across LATHAM families in Bristol, Pontiac, Quebec. John LATHAM is reported to have arrived around 1812 (military?) from County Tyrone. His father is reported to be a Nathanial LATHAM who died in Ireland in 1835. I have tracked them in census and church records so far. There is also a James LATHAM who would be a contemporary. Neither Griffiths Index nor the Freeholders Index of Ireland shows a Nathanial LATHAM but there are other spellings - LEATHEM and LEATHAM. There are no LATHAM or related spellings in Tyrone in Griffiths. My theory is that the families are related. Does anyone have any connection to these people and can cast some light on the matter? Gordon Hillman Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census - No debate on S-18 Greetings All. The Senate of Canada resumed sitting on Tuesday 12 April 2005. Contrary to our hopes and expectations they did not resume Third Reading debate of Bill S-18 at this time. According to the daily Journal, Bill S-18 was called and postponed 'until the next sitting', which would be today (Wednesday). According to the Order Paper for today, Bill S-18 is the first item under Orders of the Day. As items remain on the Order Paper until they have been completed and dealt with there is no guarantee that Third Reading debate of S-18 will be resumed today, even though we hope it will be. In the overall scheme of things in Parliament the Census issue may seem to some to be a minor irritant. We hope that at least some of our Honourable Senators realize the over-riding importance it is to a great many people. We hope there will be no further delays in completing Third Reading and referral of Bill S-18 to the House of Commons. Each day Bill S-18 remains in the Senate is one less of the rapidly dwindling days available for debate in the House of Commons. At this time there remains only 41 normal sitting days before Parliament recesses for the Summer. Time is running out. Stay tuned for further updates. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

To all:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Links2.htm is only a very small part of the varied and large census site http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census One intriguing title is "Census records teach history of the past". Browse through these and possibly you will send this memo to YOUR Senator -- we all have one -- even though he or she is not denoted by ridings as are Members of Parliament of the House of Commons. Every one of us may have different tastes in reading -- but I know there will be something there to suit all!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee [former women's editor] 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8

Mr. David McGuinty, MP -- Ottawa South riding I am the list administrator of the noted mail list and know there are many of your constituents who would be using the 1911 census to trace family groups of ancestors. Since March 1999 I have also been co-chair of the Canada Census Committee, and am appealing to you to reply on behalf of your constituents. I sincerely hope you will be thinking positively when Bill S-18 arrives from the Senate to the House of Commons. It is a government bill, an act to amend the Statistics Act, and when passed, records from 1911 to 2001 will be released automatically at 10-year intervals, 92 years following enumeration. Personally, the 1911 one is of importance to myself, as a veteran, as it would have the family groupings of any man or woman who fought overseas in World War One - many did not return. Descendants of these military personnel are now searching for family groupings. More information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census Your message board may be found at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON I am looking forward to a reply -- and email would make it much easier for Gordon Watts to post your reply -- which is accepted if sent by your secretary. Sincerely, Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8

Hello folks, I hope I've ended up on the right mailing list - there are a lot for Canada! I am seeking background information on George HOLMES, a road and railway contractor who built the Melbourne to Essendon Railway in Victoria, Australia in 1859. He subsequently moved on to build the Lyttleton Railway and tunnel in New Zealand, and he died in New Zealand in 1877 aged 55. His NZ Will, which I have not yet sighted, but have had the main points extracted for me, left all his possessions to his brother John HOLMES of Huntley, Carleton, Canada. This also appears on a website for the heritage home "Huntley" which he owned very briefly in NZ before his death. The relevant details are quoted here: QUOTE http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Heritage/LocalHistory/Fendalton/huntley.asp "The owner in 1877 was George Holmes of Pigeon Bay. He was a notable early Canterbury contractor whose work included the Lyttelton tunnel and railway line south from Christchurch to the Rakaia River. He took much of his payment in the form of land granted to him by the Provincial Council. Holmes died four months after buying the property, at the age of 55, and left everything he owned to his brother John, of Huntley, in the county of Carleton, Ontario. John Holmes had had quite a notable political career in Canada, representing his county in the Canadian Parliament 1867-72. John Holmes lived for only two years after his brother, dying at `Huntley’ in 1879. His widow, Elizabeth, remained at the property which stayed in the family until 1941." END QUOTE I took all this to mean that George Holmes' wife and son predeceased him, but apparently the Probate documents mention that John Holmes met Mrs Margaret Louise Holmes and the son, George Henry Holmes, at the Windsor Hotel in New York in 1877, when he informed them of George's death. I'm seeking early biographical information on George Holmes (and a photo would be good!). It is not clear from any of this whether he and his brother John were native-born Canadians, or whether they had come from elsewhere, and that is something I would greatly appreciate some help with. Other information I have indicates that George Holmes worked on railways in America, Canada, Scotland, England and Ireland, and that also makes it hard to pin down where and when he wed, and where and when the son George Henry was born, and where they might have gone after George died. I've had a long hard look at the 1880/1 Censuses on Family Search, but I can't quite get a bead on them - I don't know the age of the son. He does not appear to have been born in Victoria, where George seems to have arrived by about 1852. So if any of you are still with me - is there anyone on this list who is researching the Holmes family whom ight be able to shed some light on George and his wife and child? Or is there some sort of biographical register available that might be looked at to see where John Holmes was born? Or an index of Births, Deaths and Marriages that might be consulted? I'd be very grateful for some help. I should mention that my interest is a local history one, not family. I'm researching the history of the Melbourne and Essendon Railway Company, of which George Holmes was a large shareholder and of course the contractor. He was also a rather larger than life local personality who had his finger in every pie while he lived in the area, giving large gifts of money to the local church, and building a mansion for himself to live in, chairing many community meetings (cricket, toll protests, church building, formation of local government.) Best wishes, Lenore Frost Essendon, Vic, Australia http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/

Dear Lenore; I have an marriage of Sidney D. Holmes into our family of Dorothy Margaret Kerfoot June 16 1928. They had three children that I have reciord of; Margaret Jean May 2/1929; Elizabeth Ann Aug. 5 1930; and John David July 11/1935. I have no record of John's parents just the note that he was born in Liverpool England on March 1/ 1899. This may or maynot be of your family but you can check it out. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenore Frost <lenore10@hotmail.com> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: [Can-Ont-Carleton] HOLMES family of Huntley > Hello folks, > > I hope I've ended up on the right mailing list - there are a lot for Canada! > > I am seeking background information on George HOLMES, a road and railway > contractor who built the Melbourne to Essendon Railway in Victoria, > Australia in 1859. He subsequently moved on to build the Lyttleton Railway > and tunnel in New Zealand, and he died in New Zealand in 1877 aged 55. > > His NZ Will, which I have not yet sighted, but have had the main points > extracted for me, left all his possessions to his brother John HOLMES of > Huntley, Carleton, Canada. This also appears on a website for the heritage > home "Huntley" which he owned very briefly in NZ before his death. The > relevant details are quoted here: > > QUOTE > http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Heritage/LocalHistory/Fendalton/huntley.a sp > "The owner in 1877 was George Holmes of Pigeon Bay. He was a notable early > Canterbury contractor whose work included the Lyttelton tunnel and railway > line south from Christchurch to the Rakaia River. He took much of his > payment in the form of land granted to him by the Provincial Council. > > Holmes died four months after buying the property, at the age of 55, and > left everything he owned to his brother John, of Huntley, in the county of > Carleton, Ontario. John Holmes had had quite a notable political career in > Canada, representing his county in the Canadian Parliament 1867-72. > > John Holmes lived for only two years after his brother, dying at `Huntley' > in 1879. His widow, Elizabeth, remained at the property which stayed in the > family until 1941." > > END QUOTE > > I took all this to mean that George Holmes' wife and son predeceased him, > but apparently the Probate documents mention that John Holmes met Mrs > Margaret Louise Holmes and the son, George Henry Holmes, at the Windsor > Hotel in New York in 1877, when he informed them of George's death. > > > I'm seeking early biographical information on George Holmes (and a photo > would be good!). It is not clear from any of this whether he and his > brother John were native-born Canadians, or whether they had come from > elsewhere, and that is something I would greatly appreciate some help with. > > Other information I have indicates that George Holmes worked on railways in > America, Canada, Scotland, England and Ireland, and that also makes it hard > to pin down where and when he wed, and where and when the son George Henry > was born, and where they might have gone after George died. > > I've had a long hard look at the 1880/1 Censuses on Family Search, but I > can't quite get a bead on them - I don't know the age of the son. He does > not appear to have been born in Victoria, where George seems to have arrived > by about 1852. > > So if any of you are still with me - is there anyone on this list who is > researching the Holmes family whom ight be able to shed some light on George > and his wife and child? Or is there some sort of biographical register > available that might be looked at to see where John Holmes was born? Or an > index of Births, Deaths and Marriages that might be consulted? > > I'd be very grateful for some help. I should mention that my interest is a > local history one, not family. I'm researching the history of the Melbourne > and Essendon Railway Company, of which George Holmes was a large shareholder > and of course the contractor. He was also a rather larger than life local > personality who had his finger in every pie while he lived in the area, > giving large gifts of money to the local church, and building a mansion for > himself to live in, chairing many community meetings (cricket, toll > protests, church building, formation of local government.) > > Best wishes, > > Lenore Frost > Essendon, Vic, Australia > http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/ > > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > List Admin for CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L: > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi: On the 1871 Ontario Census index of Heads of Households at: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02010803_e.html Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) HOLMES , JOHN Sex: Male Age: 42 Birthplace: IRELAND Religion: Church of England, Anglican Origin: IRISH Occupation: FARMER District: CARLETON ( 078 ) Sub-district: Huntley ( G ) Division: 1 Page: 77 Microfilm reel: C-10,016 Reference: RG31 -- Statistics Canada If you want a copy of that page go to: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02010801_e.html#consult and scroll down the page. It's very cheap! Or ask the List if someone could please send you a transcript of it. You may also find a look-up volunteer here: http://www.raogk.com/ontario.htm You might also want to look for cemetery photos from this page: http://www3.sympatico.ca/scott.naylor/Graves/NewIndex/GraveMarker1.HTM Select Ottawa: West Portion and then click on the ones in Huntley Twp. The Ontario Cemetery finding aid: http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search Type in Holmes, and Carleton for the County, search. Historical Ontario Atlases at: http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/search.htm Go to that page and search only the surname Holmes, select Carleton for the county, click search. Results: Full record for Holmes, John Last Name Holmes First Name John Nativity Ireland Business Farmer Year Settled 1836 Post Office Huntley Township Huntley County Carleton Atlas Date 1879 Concession and Lot Lot size I, 20 100 I, 21 100 II, 10 100 III, 10 50 You can then view the map by clicking on Locate on Map below the entry. Another entry for a J. Holmes: Full record for Holmes, J. Last Name Holmes First Name J. Township Huntley County Carleton Atlas Date 1879 Concession and Lot Lot size IV, 13 100 There are several other Holmes in Huntley, Carleton as well. You might want to check out this website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oncarlet/ Also: http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/ Some Holmes marriages in Carleton County from: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm 2024-74 Samuel ALEXANDER, 25, yeoman, Canada, Huntley, s/o William & Margaret, married Eliza Ann HOLMES, 18, Huntley, same, d/o John & Eliza, witn: John HOLMES & William ACRES, both of Huntley, 4 Dec 1874 at Huntley 001779-76 (Carleton Co) Thomas Holmes SMITH, 23, farmer, Chatham PQ, Cumberland, Co. Russell, s/o Richard SMITH & Mary Ann HOLMES married Margaret JACKSON, 18, Cumberland, same, d/o Edward JACKSON & Margaret ACRE. Wit Thos. McKEO and Ellen KINSELLA, both of Cumberland. August 29, 1876 at Ottawa. Some Holmes deaths in Carleton: http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/death/deathindex_hf-hz_new.htm HOLMES, Francis C, m, March 4, 1887, 61 years, Ireland, cause - apoplexy, farmer, infm - C. Scudamore, minister, Huntley, (Carleton Co.) 003234-87 HOLMES, John H, m, June 11, 1887, 76 years, Ireland, cause - heart disease, gentleman, infm - C. Scudamore, minister, Huntley, (Carleton Co.) 003239-87 Another Carleton website: http://www.bytown.net/ There are a couple of Holmes deaths on this page: http://www.100megsfree3.com/granny1/death1.html You likely have already seen this: http://www.nzland.co.nz/huntley/history.html Mention of a Holmes Corners in this book: http://www.huntleyhistory.ca/pubs/Carpbook/carpbook.html And the homepage which contains an e-mail address. You might want to contact them to see if they have info on your Holmes families: http://www.huntleyhistory.ca/ Click on Publications to see what is available for purchase. On this page: http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/key/mun_serv.asp?lang=E&Hist=Y&param=H&Sort=A HOLMES, John Liberal-Conservative Reeve Regional Government Huntley Township, Ontario - During 7 years You might also want to join the Ontario-L rootsweb list and post your query there. Well, that's all that I can come up with. Hope some of it helps you out. Marg in Alberta Lenore Frost wrote: > Hello folks, > > I hope I've ended up on the right mailing list - there are a lot for > Canada! > > I am seeking background information on George HOLMES, a road and > railway contractor who built the Melbourne to Essendon Railway in > Victoria, Australia in 1859. He subsequently moved on to build the > Lyttleton Railway and tunnel in New Zealand, and he died in New > Zealand in 1877 aged 55. > > His NZ Will, which I have not yet sighted, but have had the main > points extracted for me, left all his possessions to his brother John > HOLMES of Huntley, Carleton, Canada. This also appears on a website > for the heritage home "Huntley" which he owned very briefly in NZ > before his death. The relevant details are quoted here: > > QUOTE > http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Heritage/LocalHistory/Fendalton/huntley.asp > > "The owner in 1877 was George Holmes of Pigeon Bay. He was a notable > early Canterbury contractor whose work included the Lyttelton tunnel > and railway line south from Christchurch to the Rakaia River. He took > much of his payment in the form of land granted to him by the > Provincial Council. > > Holmes died four months after buying the property, at the age of 55, > and left everything he owned to his brother John, of Huntley, in the > county of Carleton, Ontario. John Holmes had had quite a notable > political career in Canada, representing his county in the Canadian > Parliament 1867-72. > > John Holmes lived for only two years after his brother, dying at > `Huntley' in 1879. His widow, Elizabeth, remained at the property > which stayed in the family until 1941." > > END QUOTE > > I took all this to mean that George Holmes' wife and son predeceased > him, but apparently the Probate documents mention that John Holmes met > Mrs Margaret Louise Holmes and the son, George Henry Holmes, at the > Windsor Hotel in New York in 1877, when he informed them of George's > death. > > > I'm seeking early biographical information on George Holmes (and a > photo would be good!). It is not clear from any of this whether he > and his brother John were native-born Canadians, or whether they had > come from elsewhere, and that is something I would greatly appreciate > some help with. > > Other information I have indicates that George Holmes worked on > railways in America, Canada, Scotland, England and Ireland, and that > also makes it hard to pin down where and when he wed, and where and > when the son George Henry was born, and where they might have gone > after George died. > > I've had a long hard look at the 1880/1 Censuses on Family Search, but > I can't quite get a bead on them - I don't know the age of the son. > He does not appear to have been born in Victoria, where George seems > to have arrived by about 1852. > > So if any of you are still with me - is there anyone on this list who > is researching the Holmes family whom ight be able to shed some light > on George and his wife and child? Or is there some sort of > biographical register available that might be looked at to see where > John Holmes was born? Or an index of Births, Deaths and Marriages > that might be consulted? > > I'd be very grateful for some help. I should mention that my interest > is a local history one, not family. I'm researching the history of > the Melbourne and Essendon Railway Company, of which George Holmes was > a large shareholder and of course the contractor. He was also a > rather larger than life local personality who had his finger in every > pie while he lived in the area, giving large gifts of money to the > local church, and building a mansion for himself to live in, chairing > many community meetings (cricket, toll protests, church building, > formation of local government.) > > Best wishes, > > Lenore Frost > Essendon, Vic, Australia > http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/ > > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > List Admin for CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L: > Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census - New Column posted Greetings All. My latest Column on Post 1901 Census issues has now been posted online. Topics of this issue include Progress of Bill S-18 ... Motion to amend Bill S-18 defeated... Debate adjourned to 12 April 2005.... What now?... letter by Ethel (Moffet) Fulford. The column is accessible at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazce/gazce114.htm Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:27 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census - Senator Scoreboard updated Greetings All The Senator's Scoreboard on the Post 1901 Census Project website has been updated with information available to date. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Senscore1.htm Nine new Senators appointed 24 March 2005 have been added. Even with these new Senators added there are still seven vacancies to fill -- one each for New Brunswick, PEI, Manitoba and British Columbia, and three for Quebec. There have been a number of changes made regarding positions of Senators. On 23 March, 19 Senators voted YES to a proposed amendment to Bill S-18 that would have had the effect of closing all public access to records of Census between 1918 and 2005. Each of those Senators, including nine who had previously been awarded Gold Ticks of Support, have now been awarded a Red X of Opposition. Assuming that there will be a recorded vote on Third Reading in the Senate of Bill S-18 we will be watching closely to see how they vote at that time. Please note that a recorded vote is not a certainty. Votes are normally done on a YEA/NAY or show of hands basis, and a recorded vote is done only if requested by the Senators. Current standings on the Senator's Scoreboard are as follows: 36 FOR, 20 AGAINST, 18 NON-COMMITTAL and 24 who have not bothered to respond to our requests for their position. The Senate resumes sitting on 12 April 2005. We hope that Bill S-18 will complete Third Reading and be referred to the House of Commons on that day, or shortly after. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

To all:- First of all -- should anyone desire to become a member of the Canada Census Committe, please contact me directly. Contrary to what I have requested previously, (mailing Senate and Non-Resident petitions directly to Senator Lorna Milne's office) I will now leave it up to the individual. Two envelopes visited Sunnybrook Veteran's Wing in Toronto over the weekend -- but I did not mail -- these will be tabulated and delivered before the next date of April 12. Several others have been received -- Fort Saskatoon, Alberta and Bakersfield. California today -- my grandson saves the different stamps. Prior to this, Jeff Paul, Senator Milne's policy advisor, may let us know is petitions may be needed -- it is better to be ready with some -- just in case. One request -- Any Canadian sending Senate petitions directly, are requested to let me know how many signatures. Please note -- and you may obtain more signatures -- street addresses are not needed -- that is OUR bit of privacy -- postal codes includes only six to twelve homes or one apartment building. Non-Resident petitions may also go direct but I like the fun of opening envelopes from many places I would like to visit. Another request to all Canada Committee Members --- Please check YOUR province -- should the province or territory not show 100% GOLD, please send a note to the Member of Parliament -- identify yourself as the Canada Census Committee member of that province. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [Senator Lorna Milne's webpage at latter site] Tip:- 100% == Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Yukon, PEI Senators At present I am leaving the Senators to Gordon -- we do not know who is for or against, as shown http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Senscore1.htm To date I have received a number of messages asking WHEN S-18 will arrive in The House of Commons -- plus one today from a Member of Parliament offering assistance with addresses of the NINE new Senators. IF all completed only Page 1, that would be 10 signatures each. Let's try for that goal!! It would be a great WELCOME BACK to Ottawa for Senator Lorna Milne. Sincerely, Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON -- formerly Liverpool, Sydney, Dartmouth, NS

To all:- Apologies for so many census memos during the past few days, but as one read in the last one, April 12th will be the first date Bill S-18 will be hopefully finalized in the Senate -- then started on its journey through the House of Commons. Petitions for the Senate and the Non-Resident ones may be posted either to myself or directly to Senator Lorna Milne at the Senate address. These could still be needed. House of Commons petitions will go directly to Gordon A. Watts at the address given where petitions are downloaded http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census Gordon will then forward these to the House of Commons -- please, NO petitions to YOUR favorite Member of Parliament. As I will be away being caregiver of my husband at Sunnybrook until Monday -- do not be surprised should you not receive a reply. Looking for lots of mail -- my petitions are downloaded for the weekend. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Post 1901 Census - S-18 debate adjourned to 12 April 2005 Greetings All. Third Reading debate of Bill S-18 continued in the Senate yesterday (Wednesday) with Senator Madeleine Plamondon speaking against the access we seek. As have others who oppose that access, she made references to 'promises' being broken and related this to a lack of trust the people have in politicians. The debate yesterday was more lengthy than those previously reported on. Some of this debate consisted of heckling on the part of some Senators that oppose access. I will not go into it here in any length but urge all to read the debate for themselves. For the first time some Senators, other than our champion Senator Milne, had supportive comments to make. As usual, the extracted Hansard debate has been placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Follow the link for "Progress of Bill S-18" For her speech opposing Bill S-18 Senator Plamondon will earn a Red X of Opposition on our Senators Scoreboard. Because they voted in favour of Senator Comeau's amendment that would have closed access to all Censuses from 1918 to 2005, a number of other Senators have earned their Red X of Opposition as well. They will appear as soon as I am able to make the changes to our website. Fortunately, the amendment of Senator Comeau was defeated so that what remains to be considered is the original Bill as presented by the government. We had hoped that Bill S-18 would have finished Third Reading and be referred to the House of Commons before the Senate recessed for the Easter break. We had hopes this would happen today (Thursday 24 March). Instead of that however, at the end of sitting yesterday, the Senate voted to adjourn until Tuesday 12 April 2005, at 2:00 PM. Even should all of those Senators who still wish to speak to Bill S-18 be able to do so, and it passed Third Reading and was referred to the House of Commons on 12 April, at that time there will be only 32 House sitting days left before Parliament recesses for the Summer. It is looking less and less like we will see Bill S-18 proceed in the House through First Reading, Second Reading, Committee and Report stages, Third Reading and Royal Assent before the Summer break. Happy (?) Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: "Canada Census Campaign" <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census - 3rd reading debate of S-18 Greetings All. Third Reading debate of Bill S-18 resumed in the Senate on Monday 21 March 2005. Senator Lorna Milne spoke against the amendment proposed earlier by Senator Comeau. She urged members of the Senate to defeat the amendment and to pass the Bill. Senator Lynch-Staunton asked if Senator Milne would "allow a question or two". The Honourable Senator couched his comments in the form of questions. It appeared however, that his main purpose was to object to the commitment of Statistics Canada to participate with the Libarary and Archives of Canada at the time of Census, to educate and encourage Canadians to allow access to their Census records, 92 years in the future, to preserve Canada's history for future generations. The Honourable Senator stated his intention to speak to this "in due course" but subsequently moved adjournment of the debate, after which Senator Jack Austin (Leader of the Government in the Senate) asked when he intended to "make his contribution?". The response was "As soon as I can, honourable senators". We cannot help but wonder, if the good Senator had something further to "contribute" why did he not do so at that time, rather than necessitate further debate on another day. We hope that the Honourable Senator made his "contribution" today (Tuesday), however we will not know that until tomorrow morning when the online Hansard is accessible. We had hoped that Bill S-18 would have received Third Reading (without amendment) and be referred to the House of Commons by this time. We remain hopeful that this will happen before the Senate recesses for Easter this Thursday. The full text of Monday's debate in the Senate, in both official languages, has been added to the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Follow the link for "Progress of Bill S-18". Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

Hi Gary: Sorry, nothing new. I have been spending time on other branches of the family. We were away for a month on holidays so now it is time to get back to the routine. It was beautiful here for a while but I'm afraid it is back to winter It is tax time now so that is where are time seems to be. Unfortunately it is very complicated this year so it is taking some time to sort threw dcouments etc. Taked to Leonard this morning so I see spring has still not sprung your way yet either. He starts calving in about a month so I won't hear form him during the busy time. Keep being persistant with the family tree and maybe we'll get that break we need. Regards Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gardondowd@aol.com> To: <CAN-ONT-CARLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Can-Ont-Carleton] looking for Jim Morrison > Hi Diane, > > Haven't heard from you in a long time.. Anything new on the Whites? Made > a > contact in Manitoba and waitingn on info for John White's family. > > Garry > > > ==== CAN-ONT-CARLETON Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Diane, Haven't heard from you in a long time.. Anything new on the Whites? Made a contact in Manitoba and waitingn on info for John White's family. Garry