The section Gordon refers to is the Second extrat of May 07, 2003. Muriel M. Davidson, Co-Chair muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca =============== Greetings All. FYI. Some updates have been made to the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Included is the second extracted Hansard record on third reading debate in the Senate on Bill S-13 - an Act to amend the Statistics Act. All are encouraged to contact their parliamentarians to seek amendments to Bill S-13 to ensure unrestricted access to Historic Census records. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 5/6/03

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I would also love the answer to these questions! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca [Originally from Queens County] ----- Original Message ----- > > James Manuel Croft was born in Mack Meadows, Queen's Co. > 12 Mar 1859. > Can anyone tell me where Mack Meadows is. > > Also I have heard of a Croft Cemetery in Queen's Co. > Again, can anyone tell me where it is. > > Thanks > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 5/7/03

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Croft Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/254 Message Board Post: James Manuel Croft was born in Mack Meadows, Queen's Co. 12 Mar 1859. Can anyone tell me where Mack Meadows is. Also I have heard of a Croft Cemetery in Queen's Co. Again, can anyone tell me where it is. Thanks

To all:- I have been plagued with pop-ups plus "other" photos, so mentioned this to my talented webmaster, Bryan Keddy. He surprised me with an early Mother's Day gift -- so I am sharing this coast-to-coast-to-coast site with everyone! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html has been changed to a new address http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm It is WORK IN PROGRESS -- the final finishing touches, but all sites are listed -- many links from across Canada. Hope everyone enjoys the stacks of reading material posted there! If it is raining in your area, as in Ontario -- good time to explore!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Brampton, ON -- formerly from Nova Scotia http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/ [My personal homepage] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

Greetings all. FYI. The latest edition of my column on Post 1901 Census has been posted online. It is accessible at: http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazce/gazce93.htm [If printed -- set printer for 1-9 pages -- may be forwarded] Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

Forwarded by Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca ========= Greetings All. Bill S-13, An Act to amend the Statistics Act has been reported back to the Senate without amendment. Debate on third reading of the Bill began Wednesday 30 April 2003. I have extracted and transcribed the debate as recorded in Hansard, and placed it on the Post 1901 Census Project website for all to view. It is accessible at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70.htm en français http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Sen70-f.htm Further debate on S-13 is to come and it will also be posted. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

To all readers:- The Third Reading of Bill S-13 has been completed and Senator Lorna Milne will present the petitions to-morrow which have been tabulated and given to her. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm will be THE new place to visit -- check to see if YOUR elected Member of Parliament is supportive and if not, plan to visit or contact him/her personally. We need as many supportive Members of Parliament as possible. Members of the Canada Census Committee have been requested to direct attentions to the Members of Parliament of his/her province -- let's have every province look like Nova Scotia! Yukon is the only area of Canada with both Member of Parliament and Senator supportive. Readers will become interested to know any census discussions will be televised via CPAC -- feel a part of the debate as there will be unfinished parts of Bill S-13 which COULD be finalized to our liking by even YOUR Member of Parliament. Starting time is NOW -- do not just look at the symbols but read the messages to the MPs. Here is an example: Jim Abbott, MP in British Columbia wrote a very long message on 02/06/2001. Believe it or not, the message was three letters -- YES. However, that was another census bill -- find out if he or she supports S-13. Should anyone have House of Commons petitions -- these could be useful -- but replies are more important. Try the following:- 1. Visit your city or town council -- we have never had support from a city or town. 2. See if your LDS Centre will provide a letter of support. 3. Libraries have microfiche -- they should also provide support. Please copy all replies to me -- I will file these and the scoreboard will be updated by Gordon. Remember, postage is FREE. Let's get to work!!! Request support for Bill S-13 from ALL Members of Parliament and point out the troublesome spots to them: Clause 8 with the OPT-IN/OPT-OUT and an "undertaking" should be deleted. Also, 92 years is long enough -- we do not need 20 extra year. Above all, DO NOT COPY someone's great letter!! Change it a bit! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/03

The Jess Family Reunion Planning Committee announces: "July 2003: A Time to Celebrate". It will be held in Port Williams, NS, 18th to 20th of July 2003, with feature visits to Falmouth and Scots Bay...the ancestral homes of the Jess family in Nova Scotia. Falmouth is the ancestral home of the Payzant family in North America. Please visit the Jess Reunion Web Site: http://home.ca.inter.net/~sjacquar/jessreunion.html Co-chairs: Carol Jess Embree: bembree@ns.sympatico.ca; Tel. No.: (902) 542-3456 Cindy Jess Parrish: gary.parrish@ns.sympatico.ca; Tel. No.: (902) 679-0453 -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Allen Jess ............................................. Jess Family Reunion 2003 Port Williams, Nova Scotia 18, 19, and 20 July 2003 .............................................

Forwarded by list admin. Please make any replies to: muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> To: "Muriel M. Davidson" <muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:03 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Post 1901 Census -- Bill S-13 needs a full debate in the Senate. > Forwarded by Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca > ==== > Greetings All. > > I copy below for your info my letter sent to all Senators by email, and > that will be sent by Canada Post this afternoon. We hope that many > others are sending letters to the Senators to express their opinion > regarding the restrictive conditions of Bill S-13. Once we learn the > final draft of what the Senate will forward to the House of Commons we > will need your help in writing to your Members of Parliament as well. > > In writing your letters please use your own words. Do not simply copy > those written by someone else and say "me too". Such letters would > likely be viewed as form letters and will likely be ignored. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census > en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > Permission to forward without notice is granted. > ================================ > > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:16 AM > Subject: Bill S-13 needs a full debate in the Senate. > > 1455 Delia Drive > Port Coquitlam, BC > V3C 2V9 > 23 April 2003 > > Honourable Senators > Senate of Canada > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0A4 > > Honourable Senators. > > For most of my adult life, I have believed that in Canada we live in a > Democracy. Living in a Democracy I believed that we elect people to > represent us in the House of Commons, and that those representatives > should put forth the views of the people they represent. In so doing I > believed that the common people had an opportunity to make a > difference - to seek redress and right wrongs perpetrated by the > bureaucracy. > > Senators are not elected but are appointed by the Government - also to > represent the people of Canada, but additionally to provide a "sober, > second look" at what those in the lower chamber are up to. > > For the past six years the people of Canada have been involved in a > campaign to regain the public access to Post 1901 Census records that > has been improperly, and believed illegally, withheld from us by the > Chief Statistician of Canada. Petitions containing more than 62,000 > signatures have been sent to Ottawa and have been presented in the > Senate and the House of Commons. Untold numbers of letters and email > have been sent to Members of Parliament and Senators. All have sought > the same thing - to regain the same, unrestricted access to records of > Census after 1901 that has been available for 235 years up to that time. > > On 24 January 2003 the government unconditionally released the 1906 > Census of the North-Western Provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and > Alberta. Within minutes of the announced release of these records, > scanned images of the Schedules of Census were made available online for > the entire world to view and research. In releasing these records the > government conceded that current legislation, i.e. the Privacy Act and > Regulations attached thereto, allowed them to do so. > > After five years of campaigning the government finally introduced a Bill > to deal with the concerns of those seeking access to Historic Census > records. In so doing, however, they ignored what those concerns were. > > The opening 'Summary' of Bill S-13 states "this enactment removes a > legal ambiguity in relation to access to census records taken between > 1910 and 2003". Bill S-13 does considerably more than remove a legal > ambiguity. It provides for transfer of Census records to the control of > the National Archives 92 years after collection. It specifies that the > purpose of that transfer is to permit examination of those records for > genealogical or historical purposes. However, in so doing it imposes > conditions on access for which there has been no demonstrated need, and > that were not envisioned in existing applicable legislation, or in the > Instructions to Enumerators of Census that have, and always have had, > the force of law. > > It was expected that some of those conditions would be removed, or > amended, during debate and consideration of Bill S-13 by the Senate > Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology. Such was > not to be, however, as the proceedings of the Committee hearings were > shanghaid by Senator Lowell Murray using a political ploy that resulted > in S-13 being reported back to the Senate without amendment. Because of > that political ploy there was no clause-by-clause deliberation of Bill > S-13. Neither was there any debate relating to tabled amendments. > Those amendments were supported by four of five witnesses that testified > at the first Committee hearings. > > It is believed that Honourable Senators, being Honourable in more than > just name, likely believe in the principles of democracy - that the > purpose of government is to serve the will of the people, not the other > way around. In drafting Bill S-13 government has listened more to one > apparently very powerful bureaucrat than to representations by tens of > thousands of Canadians. The conditions imposed by Bill S-13 do NOT > reflect the will of the people. > > We call upon the Honourable Senators, being Honourable in more than just > name, to permit in the Senate what did not happen during the Senate > Committee hearings. We call upon you to conduct a full, free debate on > the merits, or otherwise, of restrictive conditions of access imposed by > Bill S-13. We call upon you to conduct a full, free debate on all of > the amendments sought by the people of Canada. We call upon you to send > to the House of Commons a Bill that is truly reflective of the will of > the people. > > The amendments to Bill S-13 sought by the people are, in order of > importance: > > * Removal of Clause 8 - the supposed "informed consent" clause. > This clause, if retained, will destroy forever any possibility of Census > from 2006 and on being used for any scientific, demographic or > historical research, and will prevent many genealogists from being able > to research their ancestry. Barring total removal of Clause 8, > clarification must be made to make it an OPT-OUT provision rather than > OPT-IN. Such a provision would ensure that only those who have given > conscious thought to the issue, and that specifically object to access > of their information 92 years in the future, would be excluded from the > records. > > * Removal of all restrictions or conditions for access for at > least the 1911 and 1916 Records of Census. The 1911 and 1916 Censuses > were conducted under the same legislation and similar Instructions to > Enumerators as was the 1906 Census. Records of the 1906 Census have > been released without restrictions of any kind, and have been placed > online for the entire world to view. > > * Removal of the "twenty-year" period during which only partial > disclosure of information found in Census records might be made by a > researcher. Removal also of the need to commit to an "undertaking" > regarding this partial disclosure. Need for these conditions have not > been demonstrated. They contribute nothing to the privacy of > respondents to Census. They do not prevent information from being > known. They create a costly, bureaucratic procedure that in the end run > will simply be an inconvenience for those that would share information > through their family history. > > We do not oppose Bill S-13 as a whole, but we most certainly oppose the > unwarranted conditions it imposes on the access to Historic Census > records that we believe is already permitted under the Privacy Act and > Regulations attached thereto. If the purpose of Bill S-13 is, as > stated, to remove an ambiguity - that being the transfer of control of > Historic Census records to the National Archives for subsequent public > access - let it do just that. Do not allow it to impose conditions on > that access for which there has not been any demonstrated need. > > I remain available for any clarification you might seek regarding this > issue. Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-chair, Canada Census Committee > > Tel (604) 942-6889 > Fax (604) 942-6843 > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/03 > >

Hi listers, With summer approaching, I'm sure there are lots of reunions being planned. Please feel free to post info about your family reunion on the list. ~~Susan List Admin http://clix.to/susan

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Hi list, Looking for any information about John Coops and family. Information I have (cannot vouch for the accuracy yet) says he was born in England and died in Milton, Nova Scotia. He married Hannah Gorham who was b. 1759 in New England and died also in Milton. They had a son James Coops b. 1787 who was married to Hannah Nickerson, both of Milton. James & Hannah had a son Thomas (1821-1876) who married Margaret Jane Leslie. Their daughter Letitia Brown Coops (1867-1938) married my great grandfather James Henry Wolfe (1862-1940). Any Coops connections? ~Susan http://clix.to/susan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/87.1.1.1 Message Board Post: What info are you looking for him? I have some Skerry family stuff. Leanne

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/87.1 Message Board Post: Hi Judy I have a James Skerry in my family married to a Maria Louise Russell. They had the following children: James Richard David Thomas Joseph James Fredrick Jim Mary Alice Louisa Bessie Mary Any of these names fit? Leanne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Coombs Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/252 Message Board Post: Seeking information on g-g-grandparents John and Abey Coombs. They had a son named Leonard, and possibly another son named John and a daughter named Hariet. Leonard S. Coombs was born in 1847 in Milton. He left Milton with his wife Florence "Lovie" Smith and children about 1887.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/251 Message Board Post: Jesse was born 1799 and died 1877 in the Shelburne area. He was married to Elizabeth Demings. He was the son of Jesse Dexter. I am looking for his mother's name. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/98.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Terry: I noticed your message re the Gardners of Liverpool. I am trying to locate the parents of (Capt) Warren Gardner who died at sea around 1866. He had a daughter Susan Amelia Gardner who was brought up by the Crosly family. Her mother Mary Ann Gibbons died a couple of years after Warren. Do you have anything? I have been coming up with a lot of dead ends. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Valerie. You can reach me at vamckenna@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/250 Message Board Post: Looking for info on David and Lucy (Moser) Smith. They married in 1868. The family as far so I have found was George Edward married Annetta Couse, James married Hannah, Allison married Maggie, Annis, Drusilla, Gates, Allen, Lucy and Rachel married Lemuel Smith. George Edward and Annette were my gr gr grandparents. I have a picture that appeared in the Halifax Herald in 1934, it shows Lucy,94, Annetta,67,Cecilia Joudrey(Mrs.Urban)43,Marjorie Smith (Mrs. Urban)23, and Urban Hugh Smith age 2 (my uncle).The picture was taken in Pinehurst, Queen's County. Any help would be appreciated. David, Lucy and their family are a bit of a mystery for me. There is a chance that David was married before he married Lucy. Thanks Darlene