Greetings All. The following message from Senator Lorna Milne is forwarded for your information. For information about submitting Access to Information Requests for the 1911 Census of Canada please check the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. We encourage everyone to send ATI requests made to Statistics Canada for access to these vital records. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: [CCC] A note from Senator Milne Dear friends: I found out this morning that the House of Commons will not deal with S-13 before they rise for the summer break. As you all know, they made several attempts to get it debated over the last few days, but were unsuccessful. The rest of the agenda is now booked with other bills including campaign finance reform and the ethics package that must get through before the end of the summer. I am extremely disappointed with this delay in our on-going campaign. I urge all members of the CCC to start a new email and letter campaign to their MPs at the beginning of September. There is not much point in writing right now because your letters will be long forgotten by the time the fall rolls around. You should write in the week or two leading up to the resumption of Parliament on September 15th. We have been working hard for almost one solid year now, and we can all use the summer to rest and recharge our batteries. I also want to congratulate Lois Sparling on her renewed attempt to get the courts to rule that Stats Canada must release the 1911 census. She has my 100% support in her endeavour. I have also been really pleased to see how many of you have filed ATI requests asking for the 1911 census. Do keep them coming. I'm sorry that I don't have better news for you, but I promise that as things develop, I will keep you posted. Yours truly, Hon. Lorna Milne Jeff Paul, Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/03

Dear listers, This is a friendly reminder to please make sure your anti-virus software is up to date. We should all be doing a DAILY virus scan on our computers. Although you cannot get a virus via Rootsweb mail lists, if you are in the address books of list members, family and friends, you may receive a virus. You can do a free Virus Scan online at: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ The free scan certainly does not "replace" having anti-virus software installed and "up-to-date" on your computer. There is another Virus that is spreading rapidly and I urge you to please be careful with emails containing attachments, even from people that you know. If you are not sure, ask the person if they have sent you an email attachment before you open it. Some of these Viruses "fake" the sender and the subject line may look like it is from a mail list. Remember, a Rootsweb mail list message will never have an attachment. Please read the info at the link below on the latest threat. A lot of it may seem like garbbly-gook and it is long, but read it anyway, especially the sections about what subject lines and file extensions this virus uses. It may save you a headache later. W32.Bugbear.B@mm http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear.b@mm.htm l Please do not respond to this message or begin a virus discussion on the list. Thanks. Susan Gowen http://clix.to/susan

Please forward to Newfoundland-Labrador list Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca ========= Greetings All. With all our petitions, letters and email seeking to regain public access to Historic Census records it is felt that the greatest factor in the eventual release, on 24 January 2003, of the 1906 Census of the North-Western Provinces was our Legal Action instituted on behalf of eleven plaintiffs from across Canada. Even though that Action did not actually make it before a Judge, the effect was that we won our case and the Courts awarded costs to our lawyer. It is obvious from the testimony of the Chief Statistician, the Privacy Commissioner and the comments of Senators opposing the amendments we seek to Bill S-13, that their greatest fear is the Courts would give us what we seek -- unrestricted access to all Census records -- past, present and future. On Thursday 5 June 2003 our lawyer, Lois Sparling, submitted a second Action in Federal Court relating to access to Census records. This new Action, like the previous one, deals with the failure of the Chief Statistician to turn over control of the Census to the National Archivist. Unlike the previous Action, this one has only one plaintif -- Merle Beatty of Calgary. She has submitted an ATI request but Lois has not waited for it to be refused before starting the current Action. We believe the ATI requests we suggest supporters of access make are a very powerful, meaningful way of sending a message to the government. The greater the number of requests made, the stronger the message. ATI request forms were distributed at last weeks AFHS meeting -- it is thought about 50 requests will result from this. It is my intention to distribute request forms at the BCGS meeting this coming Wednesday. Perhaps other genealogical and historical organizations will see fit to do likewise. Complaints regarding the refusal of Statistics Canada to release records of the 1911 Census must be submitted to the Information Commissioner. We believe he will be prepared, as he was prepared to do for the 1906 Census, to proceed himself to the Courts on behalf of the complainants. Perhaps he can do so in time to join with Lois in her Action. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/03

Greetings All. Even though Bill S-13 - an Act to amend the Statistics Act - was on the schedule for second debate in the House of Commons three days of this past week, it did not happen. The projected schedule for the coming week does not show Bill S-13 as being included. I stand to be corrected, but it begins to look as if no further action on Bill S-13 will happen before Parliament recesses for the summer. If so, this gives us more time to convince our Parliamentarians of the need for amendments to remove the conditions and restrictions imposed by the Bill. 1 June 2003, last week, marked the 92 year anniversary of the taking of the 1911 Census. We suggest that all who are interested in regaining access to Census records submit an Access to Information request for access to the 1911 Census records. While we expect all such requests to be refused, submitting them is another way of applying pressure on the government. Information on how to submit ATI requests has been posted on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/03

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rodigast Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/257 Message Board Post: Seeking information on the ancestors of the original Rodigast family in Nova Scotia. Also, are there any descendants still living in the area? My Rodigast family came from small villages north of Jena, Germany (near the town of Rodigast -- now in the state of Thueringen). Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.

Forwarded for Gordon Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Muriel M. Davidson ================ Greetings All. First debate in the House of Commons on second reading of Bill S-13 - an Act to amend the Statistics Act is on the House schedule for today (Thursday). It has also been on the schedule the past two days but has not yet made it.. Time will tell if it will make it today. Should it happen, debate should start some time after 3:00 PM Ottawa time. It will be televised on CPAC. There is at least one Bill ahead of it on the schedule. Time limits for debate have been set as follows: S-13 - The Minister of Industry - An Act to amend the Statistics Act - Second reading (first time debated) Length of speeches, pursuant to Standing Order 74: The Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition - unlimited time. First three Members - 40 minutes maximum. All other Members - During the 5 hours of debate following the first three Members - 20 minutes maximum and speeches are subject to a 10-minute question and comment period. After the period of debate referred to above - 10 minutes maximum. It is expected that Bill S-13 will be referred to the House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology. Those considering making a submission to the Committee should be preparing to do so now. Addressing information is as follows: House Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology House of Commons 180, rue Wellington Street, Room / pièce 671 OTTAWA, Ontario K1A 0A6 Attn: Jean-François Pagé, Clerk EMail : inst@parl.gc.ca Telephone : (613) 947-1971 Fax : (613) 943-0307 Makeup of the Committee is as follows" CHAIR Walt Lastewka Lastewka.W@parl.gc.ca VICE-CHAIRS Dan McTeague McTeague.D@parl.gc.ca James Rajotte Rajotte.J@parl.gc.ca MEMBERS André Bachand Bachand.A@parl.gc.ca Larry Bagnell Bagnell.L@parl.gc.ca Paul Crête Crete.P@parl.gc.ca Brian Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick.B@parl.gc.ca Cheryl Gallant Gallant.C@parl.gc.ca Jocelyne Girard-Bujold Girard-Bujold.J@parl.gc.ca Serge Marcil Marcil.S@parl.gc.ca Brian Masse Masse.B@parl.gc.ca or Masseb0@parl.gc.ca Hon. Gilbert Normand Normand.G@parl.gc.ca Andy Savoy Savoy.A@parl.gc.ca Brent St. Denis St.Denis.B@parl.gc.ca Paddy Torsney Torsney.P@parl.gc.ca Joseph Volpe Volpe.J@parl.gc.ca There are 93 Associate Members which I will not list here. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 6/1/03

This site may interest some of you... info & maps Nova Scotia Geographical Names http://www.nsplacenames.ca Susan Gowen http://clix.to/susan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/250.1 Message Board Post: Dear Darlene, I believe I can help you a bit about your query. Would you like to email at the above? Rosemary Rafuse

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HI- Crofts cemetery is located in Danesville, Queens Co. Danesville is close to Highway 103 and is the first town on my map after the highway leaves Lunnenburg Co and crosses into Queens Co. Best regards, Joan Mihay Morro Bay, Calif.

To all:-- Two very important memos are forwarded below -- but wanted to remind all to print, fill in, keep a copy, mail with $5.00 YOUR Access to Information on or after June 2, 2003 (NOT June 1, 2003) Form at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ============== Greetings All. Forwarded FYI. Now is the time to write our letters to MPs regarding amendments that we view as essential to make Bill S-13 representative of what genealogists and historians seek -- unrestricted access to all Census records, now and in the future, on the same basis as 240 years of Census records are already available. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: [CCC] S-13 in House of Commons Hey there everyone: I just wanted to let you all know that S-13 was introduced in the House of Commons yesterday where it passed first reading. This is a pro-forma stage where there is no debate. As soon as I know when it will come up for second reading, I will let you know. Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965 ======================= To all:-- Two very important memos are forwarded above -- but wanted to remind all to print, fill in, keep a copy, mail with $5.00 YOUR Access to Information on or after June 2, 2003 (NOT June 1, 2003) Form at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm ============== --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Croft Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/256 Message Board Post: Wally Grays Web site lists James Emanuel Croft as being born 1859 in Mark Meadows, Queens Co. Does anyone know where Mark Meadows is on a map. Also looking for a "Croft Cemetery" in Queens Co. Thanks in advance.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Coombs of Milton, Queens, Nova Scotia Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/241.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, Seeking information about Coombs relatives who lived in Milton, Queens, Nova Scotia. My great grandfather was Leonard Coombs b. 14 May 1847 in Milton and married Florence Love Smith 25 September 1871 in Liverpool, Queens, Nova Scotia. On his marriage certificate he listed his parents names as John and Abey. Possible sister Hariet and possibly a brother John. Any connections or information gratefully appreciated. Kindest regard

To all:- Will OUR Canadian census records be stored within, without any restrictions? These records form the foundation of other facets of Canadian history. These records and NEW Sea-Kings would be really memorable! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm ======================= Greeting All. This afternoon I received an interesting email from Ian Wilson, National Archivist of Canada. He advised me of an announcement by Prime Minister Jean Chrétien regarding the formation of a Canada History Centre. I have placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website, at the URL following my signature, new pages in both English and French that contain the News Release, a Backgrounder, and a speech by the Prime Minister regarding the formation of this Centre. I would urge listers to have a look at these pages as there are a number of interesting comments in them. >From the News Release: "The role of this institution will be to increase accessibility of all Canadians to their history." "The Canada History Centre will focus on those who have contributed to the building of Canada and the flourishing of our democracy." >From the Backgrounder: "The Canada History Centre will promote debate on Canada's history from diverse perspectives. It will focus on our leaders, statesmen and stateswomen and political processes and institutions as well as on grassroots organizations and people from all walks of life who have shaped Canada's distinct model of democracy and governance." >From the speech of the Prime Minister: "This Centre will soon become the site of one of the most important meetings in its history: one between Canadians and their shared past." "Together Canadians have built a nation that is strong, prosperous and free. We must know the builders of our nation to sustain what their mind and hearts, their muscles and their blood, have created." "We must once again strengthen the ties that bind us together and the understanding of Canada that we share. Our past must be near us as we move into the future." "Listen carefully and you can hear echoes in this magnificent building . ......... Echoes of immigrants arriving from Pier 21 in Halifax, some to stay, some to open up the Canadian West." "The Canada History Centre will bring to life the memories of men and women who, through their ideas, their vision and their actions, inscribed their names on the rolls of our history." "The new Canada History Centre will open a door to the great wealth of our history and our heritage........" I suspect that there are those among us that are willing to point out to the Prime Minister that while he and the Canada History Centre seek to promote the history and heritage of the people of Canada, Statistics Canada and the conditions and restrictions of Bill S-13 seek to do just the opposite. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

To all, and especially to Dean Jobb, writer of the subject article! This editorial is only one of those by Dean Jobb, Halifax Herald http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/jobb3.html At present, with the controversy re Bill S-13 and the many negative debates in the Senate, Dean Jobb was very correct -- the above article was written January 12, 2002 and may be found at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm On January 24, 2003, census of the three prairie provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba for the year 1906 were suddenly released, complete with online search availabilities. Bill S-13 is for 1911 and future years, 92 years after taking of the census, requesting changes to several Acts so data will be unrestricted as in 1901. At present several parts of the Bill would prevent our usual access and usage for genealogical and family research. A great deal of reading material is online at the above site and http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm Please study this, then check the scoreboards to see if your Member of Parliament is in agreement with unrestricted release of the 1911 and later census records. Bill S-13 will be going to the House of Commons following the Senate vote. We sincerely hope Mr. Dean Jobb will add another great editorial! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 [Formerly Liverpool, Sydney and Dartmouth, NS] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/nscensus.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Greetings All. The date of the National Census of Canada for 1911 was effective the first day of June. The Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto specify that records of Census may be made available to any person or body for purposes of research, 92 years after collection. Therefore, records of the 1911 National Census of Canada should be made accessible to the public after 1 June 2003. It is believed this is unlikely to happen at this time therefore it is suggested that those interested in accessing these records submit an Access to Information request to Statistics Canada. To find out how to submit your Access to Information request please visit the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. On another subject -- It has been brought to my attention that some people believe because the 1906 Census records have been released unconditionally that the Census issue has been resolved and that no further action on our part is required. This is definitely not the case. The government brought down Bill S-13, presently in third reading debate in the Senate, to deal with the Census issue. In doing so, however, they have listened more to the burueaucrats than to the desires of the people seeking access. S-13 imposes conditions and restrictions on access that have several times been rejected by the people. One clause in particular would require specific authorization at the time of enumeration for records from 2006 and on to be made available 92 years after the Census takes place. This "informed consent" clause would destroy future Census records for any scientific, demographic or academic research, and would cause many future genealogists to find no information in the records on us, their ancestors. A battle has been won, but the war goes on. To get up to date on what is happening follow the link for information on Bill S-13 on the Post 1901 Census project website. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/5.1.1 Message Board Post: alexander shand and jane forrest had a son james shand-b1838-d jan.21 1919 in bear point married sarah jane hayes .she was born sept.22 1837 in lunenburg died july 29 -1897 of typhoid-Would like to find mor of the family

Greetings All. The fourth and fifth sessions of debate in the Senate on Bill S-13 - an Act to amend the Statistics Act took place on 14 and 15 May 2003. The extracted Hansard debates for these sessions have been placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Follow the link for items pertaining to Bill S-13. Senator Comeau in the first session made very clear his opposition to S-13, and indeed any access to Census records whatsoever. In his relatively brief presentation he made reference to breaking the non-existant "promise" of never-ending confidentiality no less than 23 times. Senator Stratton spoke in the second session. In reading the extract of that session I am unsure whether the Senator supports, or opposes the access we seek. I will have to re-read it to make a determination. Senator Kinsella will be the next speaker on Bill S-13. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/03

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/255.1 Message Board Post: what locality? We have a great grandfather George W Callen who had sisters by those names

----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: Canada-Census-Campaign List Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Post 1901 Census -- Third reading of S-13 continued Greetings All. Third reading of Bill S-13 continues in the Senate. The third session of these debates took place 13 May and my extract from Hansard is now online on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. With the exception of Senator Milne, the only Senators speaking to date are those that oppose the access to Census records that we seek. It would appear that a number of those speaking would approve of greater restrictions on access - including total closure forever -- than those included in S-13. The latest session was adjourned in the name of Senator Comeau who also opposes access. He will be the first speaker of the next session. Again I encourage everyone to write to their parliamentarians to impress upon them the need to remove the conditions and restrictions that Bill S-13 imposes on access to Historic Census records. Do it now -- before it is too late!! Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 5/6/03