This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Barss, Bearse, Freeman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/43.104.1 Message Board Post: I have also questioned my Barss connection and when the name was changed from Bearse to Barss. I have the following: Benjamin Bearse, b1710, Barnstable Mass, d1755, Chatham m Jane Collins (wsw Snow) son: David Barss b?, Chatham Mass, d1778 Port Mouton Island NS, m Rebecca Gammon, Liverpool NS daughter, Hannah Barss, b1773 Liverpool NS, m James Freeman b1767

>>>>> MAY BE FORWARDED <<<<< To all who wish Canadian 1906 and 1911 census records:- Holiday weekends are a time to get together with families, picnics, gatherings, the fun of being together. This is one good opportunity, other than the Labour Day weekend, prior to resumption of Parliamentary sessions. Researchers, other than Canadians, are invited to assist with gathering signatures on approved petitions -- we have the NON-RESIDENT petition for their usage. There are four others, two in English and two in French, with one of each language for the Senate and one for the House of Commons. Many have mentioned he or she does not like Adobe Acrobat, but here is a little trick (courtesy of Gordon Watts):- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm Chosse the Petition you desire to PRINT (or download) Click on that Senate or House of Commons Petition Go to File, scroll down to Print -- Generally one would need ONE copy of Pages 1 and 2, and as many as needed of Page 3 -- the one with 25 spaces. Does this not sound easier? If not, I have attachments! Signing on pages other than approved petitions is fine as long as the few lines on Page 3 are written or typed at the top of the page. Also, the committee approving petitions may toss out some I have received which do not have addresses of signers -- sorry about that - but it states addresses must be given. Also, mix up the colours of ink -- all black looks like photocopying. We need many more petitions for both Senate and House of Commons -- this is the PROOF we have to provide the census records are desired by all of us. Senator Lorna Milne is working to help us -- we have to support her! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/1906census.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02

Just a note re: the site.. I believe you do need a subscription to view the info. ~~Susan

Good morning, There was an article in today's Halifax Herald re: the Halifax Gazette Online. This and other papers can be found at http://www.paperofrecord.com/ To search the Halifax Gazette, click on the box in the uppper right corner of the page. Have a good day. ~~Susan POWER Surname Mailing List http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/p/power.html

To all:- There are many who like songs by Hank Snow -- native of my hometown, Liverpool, Nova Scotia -- and for many it is a weekend of camping at the Bridgewater Fairgrounds as "Friends of Hank Snow" gather for a weekend of song and memories. Many of us cannot be there - except by radio/internet program http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bryanfkeddy/SONS.html Bryan Keddy has taped a memorable program for all -- just follow instructions -- and LISTEN! A Post-1901 Census 30-second spot is heard periodically, with my brother Ron Farquhar providing music, voice by Bryan. Is your family having a reunion? Let either Bryan or myself know, it will be included on each week's program format. Of interest: The annual camping session is at Bridgewater due to many in attendance -- the Hank Snow Museum is at Liverpool. [Wish I could be there -- instead of Ontario] Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/218.2 Message Board Post: Hello Rose! Read your message today and thought I might reply in hopes our genealogical lines are related. You didnt mention any dates but I have been desperately searching for my ancestors for years. My great grandfathers name was William T. Atkins (wife Abbie Noonan of Ireland) That is ALL I know about them! Their oldest son Charles H. Atkins (b. 10-18-1864) was my grandfather.No I am not THAT old! When my father Charles H. Atkins Jr. was born my grandfather was 62 years old! Anyway I would love to find out anything I can about my greatgrandparents Charles and Abbie Atkins. You may e-mail me at WEED74@msn.com if you have any information about them. They also had two other sons, younger than my grandfather named Thomas and James. I do know that William and the three sons came to Portland Maine in the early 1880's and lived together in a boarding house there; so I would assume that Abbie Atkins had passed away by then. They worked for the railroad for a time. I certainly ho! pe to hear from you soon! Thanks for your time! (Please e mail me rather than leave a message here if at all possible, I will be moving in the next week and I am afraid I will lose the note to myself about this message! )

Greetings All. I spent the afternoon the other day in the library of Simon Fraser University going through Orders in Council and Statutes of Canada from 1871 on. I was looking to check out and verify something that I have had in the back of my mind for some time. In trying to justify their stand in refusing access to Post 1901 Census records, one of the major points that StatCan has made is that the difference between the 1906 and later Censuses, and those conducted earlier is that the 1906 Census and Statistics Act gave Instructions to Enumerators, and the clause therein relating to "Secrecy", the "Force of Law". They claim that while Instructions before 1906 had similar clauses relating to confidentiality of information given, those Instructions did not have the "Force of Law". They state this is the reason records up to 1901 are accessible while those after are not. To paraphrase, "They know not of what they speak!". I did not check every book of Orders in Council but every book that I did check had a cover page that stated that Orders in Council, Proclamations and Regulations, and/or Orders of the Governor General in Council have the "Force of Law". In addition, the Orders in Council for 1891 include a paragraph stating, in part; "[Note. -- The Orders in Council, having the force of law passed since Confederation, are now being revised and consolidated. ............]" A Proclamation included in the 1891 Orders in Council directing the taking of the 1891 Census included the following statement: "That the details of information and forms to be used should be as indicated by Schedules thereto appended, and by the instructions and blank forms issued by the Minister of Agriculture for the working thereof. Vide Canada Gazette, Vol. XX!V, p. 1198" A similar Proclamation for 1901 stated: "That the details of information and forms to be used shall be as indicated by the schedules following and by the instructions and blank forms issued by Our Minister of Agriculture for the working thereof. The schedules and forms are published in the Canada Gazette Vide Canada Gazette, vol. xxxiv., p. 1318" For 1906: ".......... the country was divided into census districts, forms and instructions were approved and directions were ordered to be observed, as set forth in full detail in the Canada Gazette of May 21st, 1906. Vide Canada Gazette, vol. xxxix., extra issue dated May 21st, 1906." And for 1911: "9. That the details of information and forms to be used shall be as indicated by the schedules following and by the instructions and blank forms issued by our said Minister of Agriculture for the working thereof. The Schedules and forms are published in the supplements to Canada Gazette, No. 2, July 9, 1910, and No. 5, July 30, 1910." "What is the point of all this?" you might ask. I am not a lawyer, but to me the point should be simple. It seems to me that if Orders in Council have "the force of law", and it is easily proved that they do, then any documents -- such as Instructions to Enumerators -- referred to by those Orders in Council, will have that same "force of law". The clause in the 1906 Census and Statistics Act giving the Instructions to Enumerators the "force of law" was not necessary because the Orders in Council referring to the "instructions and blank forms", having themselves the "force of law", already gave the Instructions that force. If I am correct in this then Dr. Fellegi and Statistics Canada are incorrect in their position that Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census prior to 1906 do not have the "force of law". As I have pointed out many times in the past, StatCan is very quick to state that the "Secrecy" clause in the Instructions to Enumerators has the "Force of Law". They willingly ignore other clauses in those same Instructions that state very clearly that records of Census "will have value as a record for historical use", that it "is intended to be a permanent record" and it will be "stored in the Archives of the Dominion". If one clause of those Instructions have the "force of law", then so do all other clauses in those same Instructions. Statistics Canada cannot pick and choose which clauses of the Instructions that they want to have the "force of law". I will be going to the Vancouver Public Library this morning to see what else I can find. I will keep you informed on anything pertinent to our efforts to regain the public access to Historic Census records that we are currently denied by StatCan. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

To all:- It seems IDENTITY THEFT is the "excuse" for possibly cutting off access to various census records, possibly on both sides of the 49th Parallel. When one thinks about it -- various departments of government, credit card companies and others commit "identity theft" every time we use or access any of these known facilities. Has one been able to access many governmental departments without the well-known S.I.N. [Social Insurance Number]? If one does not have this, information is not procured. Credit Cards? Has anyone ever signed up for one without having to give your mother's MAIDEN name? With your name and your mother's maiden name, plus a bit of computer research, including Ancestry.com and any L.D.S. centre, the whole family is revealed. OBITUARIES are one of the greatest items a family researcher is able to use to complete a family. However, read the following and visualize HOW the information may be utilized:- SMITH, JOHN JAMES -- The family of John James Smith, age 17, are grief-stricken following his untimely death after a short illness. He was an honors student at Mytown Secondary School, Mytown, where his family had lived for more than 50 years. Surviving the well-liked young man are his parents, John James Smith Sr. and his mother, the former Mary Elizabeth Jones; grandparents William Jones and Maizie (Steel); James Smith and Catherine (Uphill). Just read over the above obituary -- not a real one -- and one can put together a family group sheet. A few phone calls in Mytown would ascertain place and occupations of survivors. IDENTITY THEFT often may begin with the proud announcement of a new baby -- parents are thrilled and include names of all grandparents with maiden names and places of residence, date of birth, hospital, even the weight -- often a photo. Political members will likely turn a blind eye to the IDENTITY THEFT which would continue even if the records were sealed. In Canada, we are hopeful our politicians will remember this vile type of theft would continue -- and also remember, many have had wallets (with identification) LIFTED while innocently waiting to pay for groceries. [This method of Identity Theft came from my husband's companion at Sunnybrook Veteran's Wing -- It happened to her -- I.D. and money stolen] Please visit your elected and appointed politicians -- let this not be a poor excuse for non-release of census records -- we need support of all -- many have never replied!!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/16/02

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/200.1 Message Board Post: Hi Lynn I have no connection to the Shand family but have some info for you. In the United East Cemetery on College Street in Liverpool, Nova Scotia is a grave marker with four sides containing inscriptions... Side 1: In Memory of Charlotte M Shand Born Jany 1,1861 Died Mar 25,1943 Side 2: In Memory Of Donald H. Shand Born Sept. 18,1892 Died Dec. 1,1924 Side 3: William H. Shand 1859-1950 Side 4: In Memory of Jacob Whittemore Born 1829 Died 1891 His wife Matilda Born 1836 Died 1894 **From research that I've done, William Henry Shand was the son of Alex and Jane Shand. Donald Shand was the son of William Henry Shand and Charlotte Whittemore Charlotte Shand was a daughter of Jacob Whittemore and Matilda Latham Also I believe I have a photo of the old Shand house which was in Mersey Point and was demolished many years ago. I am sending along a photo of the Shand grave marker. Hope I have been of some help to you Sincerely, Tim

To all readers:- Next year, 2003 is a very busy year with many planned, plus other hopeful events. Here are several 2003 events:- Family researchers and genealogists are working for and hoping for the release of the 1911 Canadian census records. Many petitions have been sent, supporting Bill S-12 by Senator Lorna Milne -- plus letters sent to both Senators and Members of Parliament. Hard-copy letters are better -- FREE postage. Petitions: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm Download, get signers and forward to Gordon or myself. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Senscore1.htm ---------------- Way back when, ancestors of many of us arrived at Halifax in 1751 and then founded Lunenburg and vicinity in 1753. The year 2003 will mark the 250th anniversary with various celebrations planned, with reunions, a trip by ship from Halifax to Lunenburg, plus Down Home hospitality. One radio/internet program advertising the coming events is the Sail On Nova Scotia - SONS - by Bryan Keddy. There is only one small bad bit of luck -- Bryan now has to pay for the Live365 for our listening pleasure. Following is a note from Bryan:- "Just a short note to let you know that I spent all night recording (Roger Whitaker, The Whites, Paul Overstreet, Alberta Slim, Willie Forbes and many others) then uploaded over 175 new songs for this weeks SONS program" The SONS program is available at http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bryanfkeddy/SONS.html Once all the required bits are done like registration, the next time you would just have to click on the black arrow in the yellow circle, click on "Log In" -- make sure the speakers are on -- and ENJOY! Sail On Nova Scotia also has census announcements -- genealogists would like to see the release of the 1906 and 1911 records -- the theme song is "I'm My Own Grandpa" - who will do the family history! ---------------- The latest to join the 2003 list of celebrations is the City of Brampton, celebrating its sesquicentennial - 1853 - 2003. Events are planned for every month, including regaining the Flowertown of Canada title. See http://www.city.brampton.on.ca Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

To all:- Sounds like Gordon will have a great weekend -- no computer! He will be back -- and should there be questions, just ask! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee ------------------------------------ Greetings All. For the past six days I have had the pleasure of having my son and two of my grand-daughters (aged 6 and 9) visiting me. On Friday morning I am taking them camping in my trailer for the weekend and on Monday morning they will start on their way home back to Calgary while I will return home. For the first time in the past five years I will not be taking my laptop computer with me and will be out of touch with the internet and my volumes of email. I will, however, be thinking about our efforts to regain public access to the Census records (in between swimming in the pool with my grand-daughters) and will try to catch up with my email on Monday. I am waiting for an article to appear in one of my own community newspapers and have just been contacted by another reporter for a paper in Enderby, BC. It is gratifying that some media people are starting to pay attention to our efforts. This is a result of our supporters contacting their local papers and reporters and writing letters to the media. Keep up the good work. With the help of you all, we will succeed. Thank you all for your support. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DQC.2ACI/223 Message Board Post: If anyone knows about Clarence Family I was told that his father name was Ed or Edward Janes i have a copy of Clarence & Virginia Marriage lic that names Ed Janes as father if anyone could help email at Dianna_63@yahoo.com Thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/3.10.97.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jan; Thank you, thank you, thank you. I will be contacting you shortly. Busy time here and will have to wait until things calm down to really go over what you sent me. Thanks again. Dianne

Greetings All. FYI. [Reply to Globe & Mail article July 17, 2002] Gordon A. Watts Letters@GlobeAndMail.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Census allows a peek at our future. Editor, Globe and Mail. Margaret Wente's article, "Census allows a peek at our future" (G&M 17 July 2002) asks the question "How many grandchildren are you going to have?" While today's Census may allow a non-identifying peek at our statistical future, if Ivan P. Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada, has his way, millions of Canadians and others from around the world will never again be allowed to use Canada's Historic Census records to seek information about their ancestors. Nor will our grandchildren, and their children and grandchildren be able to use these invaluable records to find out about us. 235 years of Census records, from the first census of New France, up to and including those for the 1901 National Census of Canada, currently reside in the National Archives of Canada and are available for research by any person or body. The Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto specifically permit the original schedules of Census to be made available 92 years after collection. Dr. Fellegi has refused to allow Post-1901 records to be transferred to the control of the National Archivist for eventual release to the public. In this refusal he is in contravention of the National Archives of Canada Act, the Access to Information Act, the Privacy Act and the Statistics Act. After five years and more than 50,000 signatures sent to the government, MPs and Senators, we have finally applied to the Federal Courts to seek a Writ of Mandamus that would force Statistics Canada to release the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces. They should have been available in 1998. We seek to regain the same public access to Census records after 1901 that we have had for those records up to then. We have gone through two governments, and three Ministers of Industry (responsible for Statistics Canada). A Report of an Expert Panel appointed in 1999 and a series of Town Hall meetings held this past December and January, all support allowing public access to Census records 92 years after collection. How much longer must we wait? And how many more surveys must be endured before Statistics Canada will finally allow the access to Historic Census records that we seek, and that at least three applicable statutes state that we are entitled to? For more information you are invited to view the Post-1901 Census Project website at: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census or contact the writer at gordon_watts@telus.net Thank you. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843 http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/16/02

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/3.10.97.2 Message Board Post: Dianne, Sorry for the delay in replying. It sound like you are looking for my Grandfather Delbert Kempton who married my Grandmother Jean Hopkins. I do have information on the family but do not have my program installed at this time. I will be getting back into my research before October as I will be travelling to Nova Scotia in October and hope to do some research while I am there. What sort of information are you looking for? I don't really have any primary sources but do have the names and dates his family was born and died (those deceased). Feel free to email me directly and I will give you whatever I can. Jan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/222 Message Board Post: Looking for information on a DAVID BURKE who married MARY PENNALL abt. 1824-1828 in Charleston, Queens Co. Also a MARTIN BURKE who married a MARY FANCY June 1823 in Liverpool, Queens Co. Thanks Sheila

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/3.10.97.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for the information. It gives me something more to go on. I have been to the Queens Co. Museum but not for awhile, so maybe it is time again. Thanks again. Dianne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/3.10.97.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The only info I have is that George and Charlotte Hopkin's daughter, Jean, married an Adelbert Kempton. All lived in Port Medway, Nova Scotia. Jean was born about 1893 so Adelbert probably in the same general time frame. Sorry I don't have anything more. A good source of information is the Queens County Museum in Liverpool, Nova Scotia.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/3.10.97.1.1 Message Board Post: I'm not sure. All I know is Delbert L.. I'd be pleased to have any information you'd be willing to share,

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DQC.2ACI/56.96.82.111.1.1 Message Board Post: I would appreciate any information you are willing to pass on. Thank you.