This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0NC.2ACE/311.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: One of my compilations is a work I call, 'Tabusintac Families'. These families are so inter-related that I needed something to sort them out. It is by no means complete, nor necessarily correct. There is an on-line version, but very much out of date. I will try and extract some basic information on the Ross family, below. The first part is likely a repeat, with your comments added, followed by a bit on Helen's (or whatever her name was) parents. Usually, I only go to three generations, which generally brings us to a relatively modern period. 23. HELEN ROSS b. ca. 1856. While there is some question on the matter, Helen (Ellen) seems to have been also known as Eleanor Mary Ross. The question is complicated by the continuous custom of using Helen, Ellen, Eleanor and even Nell pretty much interchangeably; a custom than can be traced at least from the mid 1700’s to the mid 1900’s. An example is the ‘Elinor Robinson’ who m. Moses Austin, and who appears to have also been called Ellen, or Helen. It seems, then, that Helen is: ELEANOR MARY (ELLEN/HELEN) ROSS b. ca. 1856-7, m. JOHN SINCLAIR MORRISON (b. 5DEC1842), s/o Lewis and Mary Laudwick (Loggie) Morrison. Steven Murray reports a letter, 20MAY1980, from Ellen (Myers) Steven, d/o Mary (Morrison) Myers, which gives Ellen’s parents as Marjorie Brough and Joseph Ross. John (age 38) and ‘Ellen’ (age 25) Morrison were in Alnwick Parish in 1881. John was a farmer and the family were all b. NB. Scottish and Presbyterian. Children were: Charlott (6), Mary (4), Joseph (2) and Margey (b. OCT1880.) John appears to be the widower, John Morrison b. 5DEC1844, in Beresford Parish, Gloucester Co., NB in 1901. His children were: Annie (21AUG1882), Louis (15DEC1884), ‘Marget’ (20AUG1885), Ellen (18DEC1887), Ida (2FEB1889) and Walter (3AUG1893.) As John’s birth-date, 5DEC1844, seems to be an error for 5DEC1842, and because of the names of his children; Margery and Louis (Lewis), I assume this is the same person, and include these children below. It is Joseph’s birth record which gives Ellen’s maiden name: Child: MORRISON, JOSEPH HENRY Sex: M Date of Birth: 1878-10-29 (YYYY-MM-DD) Place: BURNT CHURCH County: NORTHUMBERLAND Father: MORRISON, JOHN SINCLAIR Mother: ROSS, HELEN Code: 1878-M-120 Microfilm: F18765 children: 231. CHARLOTTE MORRISON b. ca. 1875, possibly the Charlotte Morrison d/o John and Ellen (_____) Morrison b. 16MAY1875, bpt. Burnt Church; by the Rev. E. Wallace Wait(s) 232. MARY ELEANOR MORRISON b. ca. 1877 (Mary Ellen Morrison b. MAY1877?) , m. Orono, ME 6JUN1900 JONATHAN WILLOUGHBY MYERS (m. 2nd 1DEC1945 Wilsie M. Glover of Tullahoma, Tennessee.) This would seem to be the Mary Myers in Chatham, Northumberland Co., NB in the 1901 census. She is given as b. 2DEC1870, and her husband, Isaac Myers, as b. 1APR1871. Children were: Joseph (1DEC1895), George (31MAR1897) and Wilfred (5OCT1900.) Diane Redden (Northumberland Co., NB board, Ancestry.com, 3SEP2005) notes, however that: she is not the Mary Myers in the Chatham Northumberland Co. NB 1901 census. She did marry a Myers but he was my great-grandfather Jonathan Willoughby Myers. They married in Orono, Maine and raised their family there. They had several children one of which was my grandfather. One of his sister's was Ellen Myers Stevens who supplied some of the family info years ago. 233. JOSEPH HENRY MORRISON b. Burnt Church, Alnwick Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 29OCT1879 234. MARGERY MORRISON b. OCT1880 235. ANNIE MORRISON b. 21AUG1882 236. LEWIS (LOUIS) MORRISON b. 15DEC1884, possibly the Lewis L. Morrison d. Northumberland Co., NB 21APR1925 237. MARGARET MORRISON b. 20AUG1885 238. ELLEN MORRISON b. 18DEC1887 239. IDA MORRISON b. 2FEB1890 (2FEB1889 in 1901.) Steve Murray (e-mail, 28MAR2005 to Shirley Moulton), notes that Ida’s birth certificate gives her as b. 2FEB1890, that her father was John S. Morrison (age 56, ‘Scotch’), and that her mother was Helen Ross (33, English.) Also that Ida was their 11th child; suggesting at least two children are missing from this list. 23J. WALTER MORRISON b. 3AUG1893 Helen's parents: 2. JOSEPH ROSS b. ca. 1806-10, m. Tracadie, NB 18NOV1849 MARCELLINE BREAU (b. 1NOV1830), d/o Germain and Barbe (Barbara) (Benoit) Breau. Capt. Louis Robichaud’s company of militia had a Joseph Ross, age 40 years, 26AUG1850. In the 1861 census of Tabusintac were: Joseph Ross 52 Marcalin wife 31 James son 10 Ann daughter 9 Helen daughter 5 Charlotte 3 children: 21. JAMES (JACQUES) ROSS b. DEC1850, bpt. Tracadie, NB 16MAR1851, d. 3MAR1924, m. 1st 26APR1874 ÉUGENIE VIRGINIE (VIRGINIE ÉUGENIE) BREAU (b. ca. NOV1857 (or ca. 1855), bur. 18JAN1901 age 43 years), d/o Édouard (‘Ned’) and Olive (Savoie) Breau; m. 2nd Tracadie, NB (Northumberland Co. in marriage record) 8JAN1906 MARGUERITE HOLMES (b. 13MAR1875, bpt. Tracadie, NB 21MAR1875, d. 1959; m. 1st Gloucester Co., NB 21SEP1896 Frederic Mazerolle), d/o Pierre and Justine (Vienneau) Holmes 22. ANN ROSS b. Néguac, NB 20OCT1855 (ca. 1852) 23. HELEN ROSS b. ca. 1856. While there is some question on the matter, Helen (Ellen) seems to have been also known as Eleanor Mary Ross. The question is complicated by the continuous custom of using Helen, Ellen, Eleanor and even Nell pretty much interchangeably; a custom than can be traced at least from the mid 1700’s to the mid 1900’s. An example is the ‘Elinor Robinson’ who m. Moses Austin, and who appears to have also been called Ellen, or Helen. It seems, then, that Helen is: ELEANOR MARY (ELLEN/HELEN) ROSS b. ca. 1856-7, m. JOHN SINCLAIR MORRISON (b. 5DEC1842), s/o Lewis and Mary Laudwick (Loggie) Morrison. Steven Murray reports a letter, 20MAY1980, from Ellen (Myers) Steven, d/o Mary (Morrison) Myers, which gives Ellen’s parents as Marjorie Brough and Joseph Ross. John (age 38) and ‘Ellen’ (age 25) Morrison were in Alnwick Parish in 1881. John was a farmer and the family were all b. NB. Scottish and Presbyterian. Children were: Charlott (6), Mary (4), Joseph (2) and Margey (b. OCT1880.) John appears to be the widower, John Morrison b. 5DEC1844, in Beresford Parish, Gloucester Co., NB in 1901. His children were: Annie (21AUG1882), Louis (15DEC1884), ‘Marget’ (20AUG1885), Ellen (18DEC1887), Ida (2FEB1889) and Walter (3AUG1893.) As John’s birth-date, 5DEC1844, seems to be an error for 5DEC1842, and because of the names of his children; Margery and Louis (Lewis), I assume this is the same person, and include these children below. It is Joseph’s birth record which gives Ellen’s maiden name: Child: MORRISON, JOSEPH HENRY Sex: M Date of Birth: 1878-10-29 (YYYY-MM-DD) Place: BURNT CHURCH County: NORTHUMBERLAND Father: MORRISON, JOHN SINCLAIR Mother: ROSS, HELEN Code: 1878-M-120 Microfilm: F18765 24. CHARLOTTE ROSS b. ca. 1858 and James' parents: DONALD (or DAVID?) ROSS, dragoon in the York Volunteers (New York Volunteers?), m. l'île Boishébert, NB by James Thom, JP 6SEP1799 EUPHROSINE SAVOY (b. Negauac, NB 14FEB1782), d/o Amand and Anastasie Isabelle (Breau) Savoie. On a list of recipients made in Newcastle, NB 17MAR1840, is listed Mary McRaw, widow of “Neel” McRaw, who was a private of the 42nd (Black Watch) Regiment; Elizabeth Robertson, widow of Duncan Robertson, who was a private of the 42nd (Black Watch) Regiment; Sarah McIntyre, widow of Duncan McIntyre, who was a sergeant of the 42nd (Black Watch) Regiment; Jane McKinnon, widow of Grigor McKinnon, who was a sergeant in the New York Volunteers; Amy Gunn, widow of James Gunn, who was a private of the 42nd (Black Watch) Regiment; Isabella McInnis, widow of Angus McInnis, who was a private in the 76th Regiment; Irozen Ross, widow of Donald Ross, a dragoon of the York Volunteers (New York Volunteers?) and Angus McDonald, who was in the Queen’s Rangers. Although James Gunn is indicated as being of the Black Watch, it may be of some interest that a James Gunn was of the Highland Company (John MacKay, captain) of the Queen’s American Rangers 25DEC1779-23FEB1780. Angus McDonald does appear at the same time, and there was a Murdoch McLeod (a different person than he mentioned elsewhere here?) Sgt. Roger McDougall was on the Miramichi as early as 1785. It is difficult to identify any members of the Queen’s Rangers with Loyalists on the Miramichi, because of the relatively common names. Even so, there appears to be a fair representation of this Scottish element of the regiment, combined with hints of connections to the Black Watch. I suspect that some members of the Watch were ’attached’ to the Rangers; which attempted the novel concept of a all-round unit (light infantry, grenadiers, regular infantry, highlanders, rifle company, dragoons, cavalry, hussars, German troop of cavalry, and artillery.) The Highland Company, while wearing the Ranger’s green jacket (basis of the modern Canadian green uniform), were kilted; presumably the Government (Black Watch) sett. This would be similar to members of the 17th Light Dragoons later being found in the Rangers’ cavalry troop. Daniel Strang had been recruiting for this regiment when he was hung as a spy. Donald Ross has also been suggested as a member of the Royal Highland (Black Watch) Regiment of Foot. A similar list dated 13FEB1843, although not as detailed, lists, amongst others,: John Noble age 85, Sarah McIntyre age 71, Amy Gun age 63 (the age is clear, but according to Carl Stymiest, should be 83), Isabella McInnis age 69, Elizabeth Robertson age 67, Irozen Ross age 61, Mary McGraw age 65 and Mary McDonald age 75. Most of these (especially Elizabeth Robertson and Amy Gunn) first receive these pensions in 1840. Children: 1. DONALD ROSS b. ca. 1801-4, d. early FEB1874 m. 1JUN1827 CHARLOTTE HELEN HONORIA (MARY CHARLOTTE or CHARLOTTE MARY) SAVOY [62] (b. Néguac, NB 14MAR1808, bpt. Roman Catholic Church Néguac, NB 24JUL1808 (as d/o David Savoie and Helen Hierlihy), d. Burnt Church, NB 9FEB1884), d/o David and Eleanor (Hierlihy) Savoy. (Donald Ross, b. ca. 1800, is also said to have m. ‘Elleanor Valley’.) 2. JOSEPH ROSS b. ca. 1806-10, m. Tracadie, NB 18NOV1849 MARCELLINE BREAU (b. 1NOV1830), d/o Germain and Barbe (Barbara) (Benoit) Breau. Capt. Louis Robichaud’s company of militia had a Joseph Ross, age 40 years, 26AUG1850. The following on Eleanor Hierlihy may be of interest as well: ELEANOR (“HELEN” “HELENE”) HIERLIHY b. Tabusintac 11FEB1787, d. 1871, m. 11NOV1810? (or 1804) DAVID SAVOY (b. PEI 2MAY1779, d. Burnt Church, Northumberland Co., NB 15(or 18)JAN1869 aet. 96? years), s/o Amand (also called Menon) and Isabelle-Anastasie (Breaux) Savoy, (Amand Savoy, b. Shepody, NB ca. 1743 d. 1811, was the s/o Jean-Baptiste Savoy, one of the Acadians who had escaped Fort Cumberland by tunnelling through the walls; or he was the s/o Jean-Baptiste‘s brother, Jean Savoie (1710-1791) and Anne Landry. Isabelle-Anastasie Breaux was the d/o Amboise and Marie (Michel) Breau, and was the sister of Victor and Anselme Breaux, and Jacques Breaux, his cousin, was the s/o of either Anselme or Victor.) Eleanor Hierlihy was the daughter of Sgt. Philip and Charlotte Taylor. See: CHARLOTTE TAYLOR, HER LIFE AND TIMES, Mary Lynn Smith, 9OCT2000 at: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/charlotte_taylor/ I, also (as is almost everyone from Tabusintac) am a descendant of Charlotte Taylor through the Blake's and Robertson's, so we are some sort of first cousins. To attempt to suggest our relationships by marriage would boggle the mind. The Breau/Breaux and Savoie/Savoy families are heavily connected to many of the Tabusintac families, as well as to other Acadian families. I suspect there are far better websites on these families which would have more intricate summaries than I could offer. To be descended from one of the escapees from Fort Cumberland is a matter of some prestige amongst Acadians. I hope this gives you a starting point. Thomas