Hello Bill - I can only speak to the cemetery at St. John and St. James United (formerly Presbyterian) in Newcastle. At the church office, there is a plot plan of the cementery which identifies family names where there are no headstones. Unfortunately, only the father or head of household is named. My great grandfather and grandfather are buried there without headstones, but there are no names provided for spouses or children that died young. Perhaps other churches in the area have similar cemetery plot plans. I suspect you would have to contact the church. Then there is the Miramichi Cemetery. I do not know about it. Good hunting. Jack Cassidy ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Romanski" <wdromanski@hotmail.com> To: <CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: [CAN-NB-NOR] Cemeteries > Hi, > > I have the books as well. It seems though that there are no headstones for > some who are buried in cemeteries there. I believe the information about the > burial is cerdible seeing it comes from post-1920 death certificates. What I > would like to know is if there are records independant of headstone > transcriptions. > > Bill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn to simplify your finances and your life in Streamline Your Life from > MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0405streamline.armx > > > ==== CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== > A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: > AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, I have the books as well. It seems though that there are no headstones for some who are buried in cemeteries there. I believe the information about the burial is cerdible seeing it comes from post-1920 death certificates. What I would like to know is if there are records independant of headstone transcriptions. Bill _________________________________________________________________ Learn to simplify your finances and your life in Streamline Your Life from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0405streamline.armx

Hi William, I have the cemetery book of transcriptions from the stones for the Parishes of Derby, if that will help you any. I will do the lookup for you.and get back to you , just send me the name you are looking for. vera woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Romanski" <wdromanski@hotmail.com> To: <CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: [CAN-NB-NOR] Cemetery Record, Newcastle, Derby > Hello, > > Do there exist somewhere records of the sales of Lots for cemeteries in > Northumberland County. I am particularly interested in Derby and Newcastle. > > William D. Romanski > Rhode Island > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== > A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: > AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello, Do there exist somewhere records of the sales of Lots for cemeteries in Northumberland County. I am particularly interested in Derby and Newcastle. William D. Romanski Rhode Island _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

In a message dated 5/20/2004 5:01:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Djedge007@aol.com writes: There is a Black Brook, not to be confused with Black River in nearby Glenelg Parish. Agreed, my McIntosh family members come from Black River near Bouctouche, eh? I was there last summer and it is beautiful as usual. DWB

My relative's entry in the Hutchinson Directory 1865 describes him as being in the Napan Settlement of the Black Brook community. Anybody have info as to where/what the Napan Settlement/ Black Brook area was, a map maybe? Thanks for any info you might have. NAME: James Fitzpatrick STREET: Napan Settlement COMMUNITY: Black Brook County: Northumberland Occupation: Farmer

Black Brook is an area on the south bank of the Miramichi River just to the north of Chatham. In the same general vicinity as Loggieville, Napan, Bay du Vin, Wine River. You can see it on the map on the "Mighty Mirimichi" website. Visit Chatham's Irish Festival in July & make a short side trip to Black Brook & maybe meet some cousins? Bob Provost ----- Original Message ----- From: sharonandsean@comcast.net To: CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [CAN-NB-NOR] "black brook" community? My relative's entry in the Hutchinson Directory 1865 describes him as being in the Napan Settlement of the Black Brook community. Anybody have info as to where/what the Napan Settlement/ Black Brook area was, a map maybe? Thanks for any info you might have. NAME: James Fitzpatrick STREET: Napan Settlement COMMUNITY: Black Brook County: Northumberland Occupation: Farmer ==== CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Black Brook is an early name for Loggieville. There is a Black Brook, not to be confused with Black River in nearby Glenelg Parish. Don Edge in Cherry Hill, New Jersey

----- Original Message ----- From: sharonandsean@comcast.net To: CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [CAN-NB-NOR] "black brook" community? My relative's entry in the Hutchinson Directory 1865 describes him as being in the Napan Settlement of the Black Brook community. Anybody have info as to where/what the Napan Settlement/ Black Brook area was, a map maybe? Thanks for any info you might have. NAME: James Fitzpatrick STREET: Napan Settlement COMMUNITY: Black Brook County: Northumberland Occupation: Farmer ==== CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I just came across this by accident and thought it might be helpful to someone. Carl Stymiest posted a listing of names from two cemeteries in Loggieville-Pine Grove and St. Andrew's RC. They are on the cemeteries in Canada board on rootsweb. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

I am doing Thibeau/Thebeau etc. genealogy. Stuck on Philip whose father is possibly Albert. Philip married a Marion or Maryann Doucet. I was told they were from Newcastle but I don't know if that referrs to the town of Newcastle or the Parish of Newcastle. Help would be greatly arppreciated. Patty

Well, thank you all for the information -- you all are correct. I didn't realize there were two Northumberlands. You learn something new everyday. I've already subscripted to the correct mailing list. Quess I'll be unsubscribing now. Thank you, Sandra Johnson

Hi Sandra: I'm afraid I can't be of any help but I am wondering if you are confusing Northumberland County, New Brunswick with Northumberland County, Ontario - from your email I think your search should be in Northumberland County, Ontario, I am almost sure if you do a search for Northumberland County, Ontario you will find something and there is probably a web site for that county and probably a mailing list as well. Maybe I'm completely wrong but it just looked like you might be looking in the wrong Northumberland County for help, sorry if I'm wrong. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004

hi Sandra, this is the New Brunswick list for Northumberland county....although we do have a Newcastle in New Brunswick and Ontario, did you mean to say New Brunswick?? Or is it Ontario you are looking for Palmer?? You can try the Canada Archives site, don't have the url...... Linda Sandra Johnson wrote: > Hello: > > I looking for information on an Isaac Palmer that was born in Cramahe, Northumberland, New Castle, Ontario on 11 Apr 1805. His parents are Isaac Palmer, Sr (1763) and Johanna Mott (1765). Where could I look for census information about this time period or a birth certificate? Where can I look for Canadian census.? > > Isaac Jr died in Iowa about 1853, but I have no information on his parents death -- where they still here in Northumberland, did they move back to Elizabethtown, Leeds, Ontario where they were before coming to Northumberland or did they move elsewhere. > > Any information would be appreciated. > > Thank you, Sandra Johnson > kjohnson@ctaz.com > > ==== CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== > A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: > AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello: I looking for information on an Isaac Palmer that was born in Cramahe, Northumberland, New Castle, Ontario on 11 Apr 1805. His parents are Isaac Palmer, Sr (1763) and Johanna Mott (1765). Where could I look for census information about this time period or a birth certificate? Where can I look for Canadian census.? Isaac Jr died in Iowa about 1853, but I have no information on his parents death -- where they still here in Northumberland, did they move back to Elizabethtown, Leeds, Ontario where they were before coming to Northumberland or did they move elsewhere. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you, Sandra Johnson kjohnson@ctaz.com

Thank you Sharyn, I have just done that. But, I didn't put the Husbands name down when writing to the list, I can see now that I have made a mistake by not doing that. Thank you for telling me . Betty in FL. Bellis6@aol.com

hi, I have the census for Northumberland county .....1851 In Newcastle Parish there is a family....... Judith Burke widow age 52 Irish came to country 1827 James Grennan son age 20 Judith Grennan daughter 25 came in June 1827 Catherine Burke daughter age 13 Irish Elizabetht Burke 11 daughter Joseph Crooks grandson age 3 and just in case another Catherine in the Parish of Chatham Catherine Burke widow age 50 Irish proprieter came in 1837 Richard Burke son 21 Irish farmer came in 1837 David Burke son 17 Ellen Burke daughter 15 Robert Burke son 13 Charles Burke son age 10 hope this helps, Linda Bellis6@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I have a Catherine Burk of Miramichi, NB in 1853. Could someone tell me if > it would be possible to come up with a parish for that town at that time, or is > that a place that had several parishes back then? Not familiar with > Miramichi, and could use some help. Would there still be available a census for that > time period in that area? > Thank you for reading this and any help, ideas offered. > Bellis6@aol.com > > ==== CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== > A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: > AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: <Bellis6@aol.com> To: <CAN-NB-NORTHUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: [CAN-NB-NOR] Request for help with Parishes > Hi, > I have a Catherine Burk of Miramichi, NB in 1853. Could someone tell me if > it would be possible to come up with a parish for that town at that time, or is > that a place that had several parishes back then? Not familiar with > Miramichi, and could use some help. Would there still be available a census for that > time period in that area? > Thank you for reading this and any help, ideas offered. > Bellis6@aol.com You might want to join the Miramichi list and try asking there. It would help if you have a spouse name because any census you find will be under his name. To join CAN-NB-MIRAMICHI-l-request@Rootsweb.com with just the word -subscribe- in the subject line and message body. Regards, Sharyn

Hi, I have a Catherine Burk of Miramichi, NB in 1853. Could someone tell me if it would be possible to come up with a parish for that town at that time, or is that a place that had several parishes back then? Not familiar with Miramichi, and could use some help. Would there still be available a census for that time period in that area? Thank you for reading this and any help, ideas offered. Bellis6@aol.com

Hi: I am seeking information on William Babcock, who was an Empire Loyalist who came to NB in 1783, settled on the Miramichi and married Margaret Pierson in 1795 in Newcastle, NB. I am not sure of the spelling of Margaret's last name, it could be Pearson or some other spelling. It appears that they had at least 6 children, only one of which I have been able to trace with certainty, he being Benjamin Babcock who married "MARIA GORMAN" and moved to the Restigouche area. I would be very interested on who the parents of Maria were. William was still alive in the 1851 census for Northumberland Co. and is shown as: 1851 Census for Blackville, Parish, Northumberland Co., NB William Babcock, age 95, born USA, Pauper/infirm/old age, date of entry 1816 The 1816 date of entry is misleading because we know he was in the Province in 1783, we know the ship he arrived in and the land grants he received, it is possible me returned to the USA for a time. In 1851 he was living with Mary Arbo a widow and her 3 sons, ? is it possible she was one of his daughters? Here is a bit of info I have on William: WILLIAM BABCOCK (b. c.1755) left NY , and was a Loyalist to Saint John NB on the ship "Bridgewater" in 1783..William was a carpenter from Orange County,NY..He served in 2nd Battalion,New Jersey Volunteers. William was single when he came to NB, per land petition. He filed for land in 1785 at Burton, NB, then later in 1788 for land on Miramichi River,Northumberland county,NB. He married on August 23, 1795 at Newcastle, NB , to Margaret Pierson,of Newcastle Parish,NB. In land petition of Sept 5,1796,at Miramichi, it states that William had been on the Miramichi river for 11 years. On one of his land petitions it states "Military 83rd Regiment". He finally settled on Miramichi River,NB and his final Land Grant of 1804 (requested additonal acreage) shows they had 6 children and his wife's 2 infirm parents living with them. Land was on S.W.branch of the Miramichi River at the mouth of River Etienne adjoining the Reserve; already built a house and cleared 20 acres. He was the only settler on the S.W. branch for an extent of 16 miles. He had 100 acres, but was requesting an additional 300 acres,extending down the river. Any information on William Babcock, his wife, Margaret Pierson, any of his children or on the parents of his daughter in law, Maria Gorman would be much appreciated. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.598 / Virus Database: 380 - Release Date: 28/02/2004