I have the excerpt from Hansard, 2nd Session, Vol 138, Issue 7 Tuesday, Nov 16, with The Hon. Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker: Sen. Milne: ----last Friday, Minister (John) Manley announced the creation of a panel on access to historical census records. The panel will report by May 31, 2000 with recommendations that will balance the need to protect personal privacy with the demands of genealogists...." (ask me for complete item) Senator Lorna Milne will soon be presenting her Private Senators' Bill on our behalf and letters and e-mails are welcome at my address. Petitions are available -- will be sent by attachment, in Word or WordPerfect. Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html>

Many thanks to those who wrote with their experiences with the Manitoba Archives. It seems I should be prepared for a wait. I think I will E-mail them again. My last E-mail went in the form of a forwarded message, as I had a mistake in the address, and I have a feeling they do not open things that look as though they have an attachment. Probably policy to ward off viruses. I am just trying to find out how much they will charge me to photocopy the Land Grant files of two of my ancestors. It really does not further my research by much but the one I got from Saskatchewan is certainly extremely interesting. I like my genealogy to be more than a mere list of names. Thanks again to all Audrey in Ingersoll, Ontario.

To all: Census petitions are starting to be mailed to me, and many thanks -- these will be forwarded to Senator Lorna Milne next week. Barbara Ysseldyk of Markham has the No. 1 spot for the new Senate petition - 18 signatures This morning: Elizabeth Robbins, Port Franks, ON sent a Senate one - 25 signatures on it -- many thanks, Elizabeth! A Non-Canadian Petition of Support with 46 signatures was received from Jeanne Roberts, Temecula, CA from Temecula Valley Genealogical Society Totals: Senate Petition to Senator Milne = 43 Non-Canadian (today)............ = 46 Petitions available from myself <Farquhar@netcom.ca> Gordon Watts <gordon_watts@telus.net> We have added French language to the PETITION MENU All in Word, WordPerfect or Text -- YOU choose!! Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html>

I feel extremely lucky . I sent for a birth certificate and received an invoince within a couple of weeks. I did email though because the certificate wasn't here within 15 days like they say on the form. They told me 6-8 weeks. I had it within that time. I have just sent for 3 more 2 weeks ago and still don't have my invoice so maybe they are getting backed up now. I also agree on how different provinces are. I live in B.C. now and have found getting info so easy. My home province of Manitoba seems a little greedy and wants money for something we could get off the internet and library like here. Gets kinda expensive. Coralynn in B.C.

Audrey and Ray, we just got something from the MB Vital Statistics. In 1 case we got the full marriage cert, and in the other they couldn't find any record of the individual's birth. The surname was slightly misspelled on the marriage cert., so they do look for variations. Costs $25 per search item for genealogical searches. They told me current wait was 8-10 weeks, and I think it did take 10 or maybe 11 weeks. We found the best thing is to phone them, and they'll send you the search application form. Think you can get the phone number off the web site. Regards, Peter and Marguerite ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey & Ray Staines <ve3kgs@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > Hello: > > In wonder if anyone can give me the answer to this? > > I wrote by E-mail to the Manitoba Archives about a week ago and I have > had no reply. Is this usual? Would I be better off to contact them by > regular mail? > > I am interested in getting copies of the registration, application and > patent Grants for two locations that belonged to my ancestors. Does > anyone know the procedure, price, etc? > > I have had extremely good service from the Saskatchewan Archives for the > same type of copies and I am disappointed that I am not getting the same > from Manitoba. It is interesting how every Province has its own > methods. Look at the vital records for British Columbia, for instance, > so useful! > > Thanks in advance > > Audrey in Ingersoll, Ontario. > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ >

On a positive note I must say that a couple of years ago I had excellent service from the Manitoba Archives in looking up and providing homestead information and copies and furthermore in offering to search out testamentary records etc. And at no charge!! Indeed in 20 years of genealogical research both here and in Great Britain it was the best record office experience I ever had. Allan Gray, Austin Texas and former Winnipeger.

I too got burned by the "no guarantee" policy. I've got several solids references that said my uncle was born in Manitoba, but yet after 13 weeks of waiting they said they have no record. Very disappointed in their helpfulness. Even though their form said that you would have an answer within 15 business days they verbally said 10 - 12 weeks. Carla carlaschade@tir.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey & Ray Staines <ve3kgs@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 2:44 PM Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > Hello: > > In wonder if anyone can give me the answer to this? > > I wrote by E-mail to the Manitoba Archives about a week ago and I have > had no reply. Is this usual? Would I be better off to contact them by > regular mail? >

To all researchers and genealogists, whether present or future:- We need to keep the pressure on the politicians by LETTERS, which may be mailed directly to Ottawa -- FREE postage. I will also accept any letters -- these are all mailed, but ones with a personal signature are better and legal. Politicians like to collect these!!! Let's smother our elected Members with E-MAILS? I am certain IF enough are received, that MP will sit up and notice! E-MAILS are still being received by me, but must be directed to the Senator or Member of Parliament, with name/address. <http://www.parl.gc.ca/36/senmemb/house/MemberList.asp?Lang=W> Now that the fire has STARTED to burn, let's double the pressure!!! We have a willing committee, ready to help you in all provinces. We all need the Post-1901 Census Records to complete research. Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> Canadian Census Committee Member <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html> Subscribe: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com>

Carol I don't know what you sent for but I know that when we sent for a M certifacate it took about 3 months and I live in Mantioba. I did send then an email asking questions and they got back to me the next day. I don't know if that helps you but that is what I found. Toni

Audrey & Ray Staines wrote: > > In wonder if anyone can give me the answer to this? > > I wrote by E-mail to the Manitoba Archives about a week ago and I have > had no reply. Is this usual? Would I be better off to contact them by > regular mail? > It seems to me that it took awhile to get something from them and if I can remember correctly they mailed the copies to me with an invoice attached. Unfortunately I deleted my message to them and can't find the invoice to check dates. I would wait awhile as I am sure you will hear from them. Carol Lylyk Calgary, Ab

Hello: In wonder if anyone can give me the answer to this? I wrote by E-mail to the Manitoba Archives about a week ago and I have had no reply. Is this usual? Would I be better off to contact them by regular mail? I am interested in getting copies of the registration, application and patent Grants for two locations that belonged to my ancestors. Does anyone know the procedure, price, etc? I have had extremely good service from the Saskatchewan Archives for the same type of copies and I am disappointed that I am not getting the same from Manitoba. It is interesting how every Province has its own methods. Look at the vital records for British Columbia, for instance, so useful! Thanks in advance Audrey in Ingersoll, Ontario.

Leeanne Smith wrote: > > Ross can you keep me posted on this? I come from a line of Finlay's but I > don't have any Brown's currently. > > Leeanne > Victoria, BC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross Doherty <wrdoherty@home.com> > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 2:50 PM > Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Fred and Maggie Brown, Winnipeg, Manitoba > > > Greetings, > > > > I am trying to locate some of the descendants of Fred and Maggie Brown, > > who want to exchange information on our ancestors. > > > > Fredric Joseph Brown, (1869 - 1945) married Margaret Finlay (1875 - 1951), > > and they had 8 children. > > > > Fred was the son of Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, and was a stone mason, > > by trade. > > > > Around 1894, Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, with their 12 children, > > emigrated from Proton Township, Grey County, Ontario, to Killarney, > > Manitoba. This is where Fred built many homes, barns, from the natural > > stone found there. > > > > Fred and Maggie moved to Winnipeg, and lived at 305 King Edward Street, > > for many years. In fact there was a Brown listed in the Winnipeg phone > > book, as late as the middle 1990's, at this same address. > > > > My grandfather was Robert (Bob) Brown, elder brother to Fred. > > > > Any assistance would be appreciated, > > > > -- > > Ross Doherty, Saskatoon > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Free Webspace at RootsWeb > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > Create your Genealogy Website! There are both Brown's and Finlays settled in the Snowflake district of Manitoba. Don't know if this helps but though I'd drop off the info. Hugh

Do the names John & Charlotte (Clarke) FINDLAY and Fred and Lilly (Hansen) Findlay mean anything to you. They came from Peterbourough Ont. If so let me know I have some History on them. Coralynn -----Original Message----- From: Leeanne Smith <leeanne.smith@home.com> To: CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Fred and Maggie Brown, Winnipeg, Manitoba >Ross can you keep me posted on this? I come from a line of Finlay's but I >don't have any Brown's currently. > >Leeanne >Victoria, BC >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ross Doherty <wrdoherty@home.com> >To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 2:50 PM >Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Fred and Maggie Brown, Winnipeg, Manitoba > > >> Greetings, >> >> I am trying to locate some of the descendants of Fred and Maggie Brown, >> who want to exchange information on our ancestors. >> >> Fredric Joseph Brown, (1869 - 1945) married Margaret Finlay (1875 - 1951), >> and they had 8 children. >> >> Fred was the son of Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, and was a stone mason, >> by trade. >> >> Around 1894, Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, with their 12 children, >> emigrated from Proton Township, Grey County, Ontario, to Killarney, >> Manitoba. This is where Fred built many homes, barns, from the natural >> stone found there. >> >> Fred and Maggie moved to Winnipeg, and lived at 305 King Edward Street, >> for many years. In fact there was a Brown listed in the Winnipeg phone >> book, as late as the middle 1990's, at this same address. >> >> My grandfather was Robert (Bob) Brown, elder brother to Fred. >> >> Any assistance would be appreciated, >> >> -- >> Ross Doherty, Saskatoon >> >> >> >> ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ >> > > >==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== >Free Webspace at RootsWeb >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >Create your Genealogy Website! > >

Ross can you keep me posted on this? I come from a line of Finlay's but I don't have any Brown's currently. Leeanne Victoria, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Doherty <wrdoherty@home.com> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 2:50 PM Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Fred and Maggie Brown, Winnipeg, Manitoba > Greetings, > > I am trying to locate some of the descendants of Fred and Maggie Brown, > who want to exchange information on our ancestors. > > Fredric Joseph Brown, (1869 - 1945) married Margaret Finlay (1875 - 1951), > and they had 8 children. > > Fred was the son of Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, and was a stone mason, > by trade. > > Around 1894, Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, with their 12 children, > emigrated from Proton Township, Grey County, Ontario, to Killarney, > Manitoba. This is where Fred built many homes, barns, from the natural > stone found there. > > Fred and Maggie moved to Winnipeg, and lived at 305 King Edward Street, > for many years. In fact there was a Brown listed in the Winnipeg phone > book, as late as the middle 1990's, at this same address. > > My grandfather was Robert (Bob) Brown, elder brother to Fred. > > Any assistance would be appreciated, > > -- > Ross Doherty, Saskatoon > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ >

Greetings, I am trying to locate some of the descendants of Fred and Maggie Brown, who want to exchange information on our ancestors. Fredric Joseph Brown, (1869 - 1945) married Margaret Finlay (1875 - 1951), and they had 8 children. Fred was the son of Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, and was a stone mason, by trade. Around 1894, Zachariah and Elizabeth Brown, with their 12 children, emigrated from Proton Township, Grey County, Ontario, to Killarney, Manitoba. This is where Fred built many homes, barns, from the natural stone found there. Fred and Maggie moved to Winnipeg, and lived at 305 King Edward Street, for many years. In fact there was a Brown listed in the Winnipeg phone book, as late as the middle 1990's, at this same address. My grandfather was Robert (Bob) Brown, elder brother to Fred. Any assistance would be appreciated, -- Ross Doherty, Saskatoon

Hi Julie The Manitoba Genealogical Society (MGS) has indexed almost all the cemeteries in Manitoba. They can be contacted at mgs@mbnet.mb.ca or at 204-783-9139. Cheers Barrie -----Original Message----- From: Julie Jackson <julie@alpha.com.au> To: CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, November 07, 1999 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Thos, Eliz? , Minnie, Ada, Esther, Lena, Edw.BULLEY, Portage La Prairie 1881 onward... >on 8/11/99 1:33 PM, John Delorme at jdelorme@portage.net wrote: > >> Hello, >> I know just about all the names in Portage La Prairie and I have never heard >> that one. I live in Portage. >> John Delorme > >Thanks John, > >I am just going on the information from 2 BARNER desc. Ada BULLEY sister of >Minnie m a BARNER and they say that the family was there definitely to start >with, and then a number of them moved to BC. > >I have no idea where Thomas BULLEY the father and Elizabeth? BULLEY nee??? >died. Could have been anywhere, but I have no information to suggest to the >contrary that they moved. However, seeing the rest of the family seems to >have moved westward, it might seem likely that the parents did too. They are >not on the BC death listings though up to 1978...searchable on the NET. > >I will get Minnie's Marriage cert. and see if I can proceed from there. > >Thanks for thinking of me & keep the name in mind, perhaps some-one >some-time will know of them. What about cemetery indexes in Portage? > >Cheers > > >Julie Jackson >Mornington, Victoria, Australia >Searching for a Mother @ >http://www.alpha.com.au/teamalpha/genealogy.html > > > >==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== >Protect Canadian Census Records From Destruction >http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm >POST 1901 CENSUS PROJECT > >

+Hi Joyce The entire 1881 census for the UK can be purchased on 33 CDs from any Mormon FHC, or online from Salt Lake City. Cheers Barrie -----Original Message----- From: Peter Aros <shalom@gte.net> To: CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, November 07, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Thos, Eliz? , Minnie, Ada, Esther, Lena, Edw. BULLEY, Portage La Prairie 1881 onward... >Hello,Julie. >Sorry that I cannot recognize the Bulley family name as I am from Winnipeg >and spent a little time in Portage La Prairie,but I am curious hoe you got >into the 1881 cencus in the UK. I keep running into brick walls and some of >the terms used are Greek to me. I would appreciate some direction as my >family all come from England with a very common name,Harris,but I'dlike to >get into that census. Joyce Aros Hawaii >----- Original Message ----- >From: Julie Jackson <julie@alpha.com.au> >To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 2:56 AM >Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Thos, Eliz? , Minnie, Ada, Esther, Lena, Edw. >BULLEY, Portage La Prairie 1881 onward... > > >> My first posting to the list...hello all, from Australia. >> >> My husband's great grandparents thought to be Thomas BULLEY and Elizabeth >> nee? (love to know her maiden name) emigrated to Canada with 8? chn and >> settled in Portage La Prairie ...ca1880's 1890's. >> >> Thomas BULLEY in the 1881 UK Census is listed as a Estate Agents Clerk >aged >> 46 years and is listed with wife Elizabth aged 36 years >> Sarah aged 6 >> Emily aged 5 >> Thomas E aged 4 >> Minnie...aged 2 , my husband's grandmother >> May aged 6m >> >> Only the chn Thomas Edward (referred to as Edward) & Minnie figure as >names >> in living family's in Seattle's recollections, the other girls names >> remembered by them are:- >> Ada, >> Lena, >> Esther and >> Bessie (Eliz?) BULLEY, & none of those are listed in the 1881 Census, so >> it's a bit of a puzzle to say the least! >> >> Love to find records of:- >> 1. exactly WHO was in this BULLEY family upon arrival in Manitoba. Any >> clues? >> >> 2. Deaths for mother & father Thos & Eliz. BULLEY. No deaths found in BC. >> Presume they stayed around the Winnipeg area? >> >> 3. Marriages for chn. who mainly seemed to settle in Vancouver etc later. >> Minnie BULLEY indeed had a first marriage to an Alza BURDETTE in 1912 in >> Victoria BC. Then m Robert JACKSON in Seattle & moved to Australia. >> >> Ada BULLEY m a John BARNER in Portage La Prairie or thereabouts, Chn:- >Cecil >> & Grace...moved to a homestead at Turtleford???? Sask. finally settling in >> Victoria BC. Can't find Ada's death there though. >> >> Lena BULLEY m a BRUTY? (not much chop from BULLEY to BRUTY!) >> >> Thos Edward BULLEY m Annie? had son Edward >> >> Bessie BULLEY m UNKNOWN...son Wilfred (although I'm a bit sus that this >> child might have been from Minnie's Marriage to Mr BURDETTE in Vic. BC) >> >> 4. Descendants. >> >> Anything searchable on line? Addresses for obtaining info & certs.? >> >> Cheers and thanks for reading >> >> >> Julie Jackson >> Mornington, Victoria, Australia >> Searching for a Mother @ >> http://www.alpha.com.au/teamalpha/genealogy.html >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ >> > > >==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== >Visit the Canada GenWeb Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/ >See the Resources and Projects > >

marg mcfarlane wrote: > Can anyone tell me where these land grants are located? I assume they are in Manitoba but > where, in relation to Manitoba cities or towns? > > SE Section 12, Township 7, Range 4, W2 and > NE Section 12, Township 6, Range 6, W2 > > These were land grants to Miles Edmund Bacon. > > Thank you, > > Marg in Sunny Alberta > Dear Marg: I think you may find that these land grants were in Saskatchewan. A helpful aid to finding out where a certain reference is located is to be found at http://www.pacificcoast.net/~ibgs/dominion.html If it should turn out to be in Saskatchewan, The Saskatchewan Archives at sabsktn@sk.sympatico.ca are extremely helpful and co-operative in helping people track down further information on Land Grants. Hope this helps Audrey in Ingersoll, Ontario

Can anyone tell me where these land grants are located? I assume they are in Manitoba but where, in relation to Manitoba cities or towns? SE Section 12, Township 7, Range 4, W2 and NE Section 12, Township 6, Range 6, W2 These were land grants to Miles Edmund Bacon. Thank you, Marg in Sunny Alberta

I am trying to locate complete postal addresses for the following two cemeteries in Manitoba. I have family buried in them and would like to write for information. They are: ELMWOOD CEMETERY - I believe in the Winnipeg area MINNISKA CEMETERY - I'm not sure of the location but was told it was in Minniska, Manitoba. Have tried Cemetery links and telephone links with no success any help would be appreciated. Thank you Mary Lorraine Schiavo Guzar.