Greetings listers. Through my research of the various statutes etc. relating to collection of Census since 1906 it is my opinion that the "promise of confidentiality in perpetuity" touted by Statistics Canada and Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips does not exist. I copy below a letter that I have sent to Mr. Phillips. So far I have not received and answer. I sent a similar letter, with appropriate changes in wording, to Senator Lowell Murray. My apologies for the length of this post. This post has been sent to other lists. Feel free to forward it to lists to which you belong. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net - ----------------------------------------------------------- 22 November 1999 Mr. Bruce Phillips Privacy Commissioner As one of those leading the campaign to obtain release of Post 1901 Census records to the public, I have been concerned with statements in the press attributed to you in opposing the release to the Public of Post 1901 Census records. You have been quoted as stating "The issue here is privacy. It's having control of your own information - and not having people with a vested interest in getting into your personal information, without your consent, deciding what the rules are." I submit to you, Sir, that information in Census relating to my ancestors belongs to me, and to my brothers, sisters, cousins, Aunts, Uncles, and every other relative that I have. This information belongs to me by right of inheritance. It belongs to me by right of the taxes my ancestors paid to have the Census collected. If wishing to know the names, birth dates and places, relationships, places of residence, living conditions, religion, country of origin, time of immigration, etc. of my ancestors causes me to have a vested interest, then I plead guilty. As things stand today, I do not have control of my information - you do! I am not deciding what the rules are - you are! You are deciding those rules on the basis of a misinterpretation of 93 year old legislation. You have been further quoted as stating "People who give information to the government under penalty of law on an unqualified promise of confidentiality are entitled to expect that that trust will be honoured." Statistics Canada in the past few years has produced various documents that have made reference to a promise of confidentiality in perpetuity. They have widely circulated a document entitled Access to 1911 and other Post-1901 Census Records. Many MPs, in responding to letters from their constituents, have quoted much of this document verbatim in a poor attempt to explain why Post-1901 Census records cannot be released to the Public. This document, which I am sure that you have seen, included the question "Should Parliament declare, in effect, as invalid the explicit guarantee of indefinite confidentiality that was promised to Canadians when the data were collected?" I have spent considerable time in researching and studying various statutes, proclamations, Instructions to enumerators, etc. from the early part of the century to the present day. I believe that I have studied most of the legislation and documentation relevant to collection of Census since 1906. Have you? Or have you taken at face value what Statistics Canada has been saying about promises and guarantees? Nowhere in my research have I found any reference to a promise of confidentiality in perpetuity or of an explicit guarantee of indefinite confidentiality. There are of course, clauses referring to confidentiality. These clauses are written in the present tense and contain no reference to any time frame. I feel that if legislators of the day intended that Census records would never, ever be released, they would have included wording that would make that intent very clear. With the exception of the Privacy Act, I found no clauses that allow transfer of Census records to the National Archives. More to the point, I found no clauses that would prohibit that transfer. There is simply silence in reference to any time frame for confidentiality, or for transfer of Census records to the National Archives. In my limited experience with the law it has been my understanding that when one statute is silent regarding a particular issue while another statute is not, the statute that is not silent would govern. The Privacy Act provides for transfer of Census records to the National Archives 92 years after collection. As the Census Act, in it' s various incarnations, has been silent regarding transfer of Census records to the National Archives, the provisions for transfer in the Privacy Act should prevail. The citizens of Canada are of course entitled to their privacy. I would suggest however that they are concerned about that privacy in the present time, not 92 years down the road. Much has been said about striking a balance between privacy and access to information. In your letter to the Chief Statistician of Canada (11 January 1999) you referred to certain proposals to amend the Statistics Act to allow for the transfer of identifiable census returns to the National Archives. Your letter stated "It will come as no surprise to you that this Privacy Commissioner has not been persuaded that it represents an acceptable balance between the preservation of individuals' privacy rights and the interests of researchers and genealogists." Mr. Phillips, you appear not to believe in any such balance as your public position advocates total secrecy of Census records for ever and a day. If this is your idea of balance I would not wish to be on the end of your teeter-totter. Our legislators at some point obviously thought that 92 years was sufficient to protect the privacy of respondents to Census. Otherwise, they would not have included a clause in the Privacy Act that allowed transfer of Census records to the National Archives 92 years after collection Our research has found no indication that respondents concern about privacy in Census had to do with descendants seeking information on family 92 years down the road. All indications are that concerns had to do with a distrust of the government and a fear that information from Census may be cross-indexed by other government departments. This is borne out by the inclusion of a statement in Instructions to Officers, Commissioners and Enumerators for the censuses of both 1906 and 1911 that "The facts and statistics of the Census may not be used except for statistical compilations, and positive assurance should be given on this point if a fear is entertained by any person that they may be used for taxation or any other object." An article in the Calgary Herald of 26 May 1931 elaborated on this by stating that information from Census would "have nothing to do with taxation, military service, school attendance, the regulation of immigration, or the enforcement of any law." Mr. Phillips, in your 18 February 1999 report to the Senate, you responded to questions from Senator Kinsella. You indicated that the greatest number of complaints received by your department had to do with data matching (cross indexing) of information between government departments. Most notable were those between Human Resources Development Canada (671 privacy complaints) and Revenue Canada (356 privacy complaints). You indicated these were related to one particular issue. That issue had to do with data matching between Revenue Canada and HRDC in order to find people who were out of the country while receiving unemployment insurance benefits. It would appear that even today, distrust of government, and fear of cross indexing of information between government departments has been justified. Nowhere in your report to the Senate, or in your Annual Report, did you indicate that you had received a single complaint regarding release of individual identifiable information from Census 92 years after collection. Responding to specific questions regarding release of individual identifiable information from Census Reports, both Louise Desramaux of Statistics Canada, and Marta Khan of the National Archives indicated these departments had never received a single complaint of this nature. I would suggest that more than 98 years with no complaints regarding release of individual information from Census is a pretty good record. Relating to the purported promise or guarantee of confidentiality forever, some weeks ago I asked Statistics Canada to provide me with information as to where this promise appeared, how it was worded, and how this promise was conveyed to respondents of Census. Specifically I asked "In regards to Census taken from 1906 to the present I wish to know: Specifically what clauses of what Acts spell out this never ending promise? The form (wording) of said promise of confidentiality in perpetuity. The specific means by which respondents were advised that said confidentiality would be forever. If possible I would like copies of such advice or references to where they might be found." Statistics Canada, while very co-operative, to date has been unable to provide specific answers to my specific questions as above. As you appear to have based your position re: release of Post 1901 Census records upon this promise I would ask of you the same questions I have asked of Statistics Canada. Show me the promise. It is my considered opinion, and I submit to you Sir, that this promise of confidentiality in perpetuity does not exist except in the minds of those who wish it to be. A promise that was never made cannot be broken. If you can prove me wrong, please do so. I say again, show me the promise. Thank you. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net cc. Lorna Milne, Senator Rosemary MacLellan, Senator Murray Calder, MP

Thanks everyone who turned out for the Canadian Genealogy Chat Session last night. 190 of us came and went throughout the evening, Not bad for 1st time at all. Do we want to try it again tonight ? Some of us will be there from 5 PM - 11 PM Central Time http://www.50megs.com/genealogy/ Please pass the word around. Would love this to become a daily thing. The chat room is open to All Surnames, Anywhere in the world, 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. Feel free to use it at any time you wish. No program is needed as the chat is a java chat. Just PLEASE remember to keep it a Genealogy Chat See you there Thanks Again J & M Please visit our web site 300 + pages of Genealogy links, etc. GENEALOGY @ CONNECTIONS 1 at: http://www.50megs.com/genealogy/

To all family researchers and genealogists: As a former newspaperwoman I know there is one policy concerning Letters to the Editor -- a name can be WITHHELD if writer requests it. My mail-box and e-mail address have EMPTY SPACE -- we DO WANT to receive YOUR letters and e-mails re release of Post-1901 census. If you have a story which you feel will assist Senator Lorna Milne when she presents her Private Senators' Bill, please contact me, please. When I post any great letters, I can leave off YOUR name and address with notation [Name & Address Withheld] By doing this, only Senator Lorna Milne and I will know your names. E-Mails MUST be directed to "Senator Lorna Milne" or "The Honourable Lorna Milne". (Both letters/E-mails to my address) Do not worry about her address on letters, I will type that. Anticipating more Post-1901 Census mail!!! I have also received some GREAT letters sent to Sen. Lowell Murray! Will print these and mail ASAP!! Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html> ==== ONTARIO Mailing List ==== To access the list archives click on http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter the list name Ontario and the query page will appear. ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

This memo may be circulated - there have been many replies. - Muriel M Davidson One of the most important records any family should keep is one that records all illnesses that might have a bearing on future health. I have kept such a record - using CENSUS, Obituaries and Church Records -- in an obituary, read where donations may be sent -- it is often the cause of death. Genetic Research is a main reason for census and other records. It is not for public knowledge -- but for the family members. In my family, I have traced a multiple sclerosis gene back to 1829. My gr.gr.gr.grandmother Christiana Brown married Finley McIntosh, both from Glenelg, Inverness-shire, Scotland, came as Loyalists 1783. Finley died of "old age" in 1824, according to Will Probate. Christiana died in 1829 of "creeping paralysis" found in church records, also will probate records. This gene was a "skipper" - striking every other generation. The next one to become acquainted with this gene was a gr.aunt, again "creeping paralysis" - church records, obituary, and census. My youngest brother's name is, as yet, only in church records for baptism and marriage -- he has had Multiple Sclerosis for 36 years, now only 61. My oldest brother was buried recently -- of another family gene, Cancer. I use a card file system - can be on computer disk - but should be kept. Doctors like this type of information and I have had to refer to my file many times for other family members. All know I am the "keeper" of the Med-File as we have called it. IF you find there are too many deaths or same type illnesses in your family, there must be a recurring gene, doctors tell me. Hope the above will help someone, Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca>

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THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE MAY BE FORWARDED TO FRIENDS To all historians, researchers and genealogists: There is one list where letters, short and lengthy, are printed, for and against the release of the Post-1901 Canadian Census Records. The recent letters are very interesting, one almost feels the heat as people react about the possibility of Post-1901 not being released. Many listowners prefer not to publish too many letters on any one topic, and we must agree with them. CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com is ONE list where YOU can say what you wish, with Gordon Watts as Listowner. You may subscribe in either the List or Digest mode, and it is only published daily, both formats together. I look forward to reading what the others are saying, and know you will also. Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> A Rootsweb Plus Supporter Subscribe: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Joyce, My email address is quinto@cyberus.ca L:) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Aros <shalom@gte.net> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > Dear Larry, > Can you give me your e-mail address? I'm not sure I know how to send a reply > and get it to the right person. I'll try and hope it doesn't come back to > me. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Quinto" <quinto@cyberus.ca> > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > > > Hello Joyce, > > Can you give some more info on the ANDERSON you are looking for? Can you > > tell us what Louise's father's name was, and what birthdate? What was her > > husband's name? I have the ANDERSON clan in my database from 1765. We > > need the father's name to find the line you are looking for. Let me know. > > Larry:) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter Aros <shalom@gte.net> > > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > > > > > > Dear Toni, > > > What an interesting message! I'd like to know how you did it. I have > been > > > feeding names into this computer for eight months now and have not been > > able > > > to verify the existence of one person;even when I tried testing with > > > definite dates and names. I'm convinced it's all a come-on to get one > far > > > enough in to start spending money. I don't want to spend anything till I > > > know what I'm getting. Would you be able to find a Louise > > > Anderson,originally coming from Pennsylvania,gave birth to a > > daughter,Louise > > > Dorothea Anderson in Saskatchewan about April of 1913?The father was > > > supposedly a Adam George Anderson who later abandoned the family. Mother > > and > > > daughter ended up in Winnipeg,Manitoba with a man named Adam Schaf. If > you > > > can help me out it would be much appreciated. Thank you. Joyce > Aros,Hawaii > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Toni Raugust" <rraugust@mb.sympatico.ca> > > > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 4:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > > > > > > > > > My parent's got into this family history and I said I bet I can get it > > via > > > > the net before you can snail mail away for it and I did, I got all > > that > > > > and then some from this page with the help of great people helping me > > and > > > > telling me what link I should look into. We could only go to my > great > > > > grand and now go back to the 1700's Everything that I found did come > up > > > on > > > > the papers that they got but I still had it first... grin! I also > found > > > > distant relatives that have helped with the info they had and put our > > > > family's together. > > > > anyway if anyone is looking for folks that may have gone from > > > > > > > > ONTARIO TO FRANKLIN MANITOBA like my family did. or > > > > MARCHWELL SASK. AND DISTRICTS > > > > EAST ST PAUL MANITOBA > > > > I HAVE HISTORY BOOKS FROM THOSE AREAS THAT I CAN DO LOOK UPS FOR YOU. > > > > my history > > > > Ferguson Scotland to Ontario to Manitoba to Sask > > > > Jones > > > > Moore > > > > Orth > > > > Poole > > > > Ireland from Ireland > > > > Raugust Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck Toni Manitoba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > > > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > > Visit Winnipeg District, Manitoba GenWeb Project > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mbwinnip/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > Protect Canadian Census Records From Destruction > > http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm > > POST 1901 CENSUS PROJECT > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Canada GenWeb Awards > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6625/cgwaward.html > Vote for your favourite CanadaGenWeb site >

Dear Larry, Can you give me your e-mail address? I'm not sure I know how to send a reply and get it to the right person. I'll try and hope it doesn't come back to me. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Quinto" <quinto@cyberus.ca> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > Hello Joyce, > Can you give some more info on the ANDERSON you are looking for? Can you > tell us what Louise's father's name was, and what birthdate? What was her > husband's name? I have the ANDERSON clan in my database from 1765. We > need the father's name to find the line you are looking for. Let me know. > Larry:) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Aros <shalom@gte.net> > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > > > Dear Toni, > > What an interesting message! I'd like to know how you did it. I have been > > feeding names into this computer for eight months now and have not been > able > > to verify the existence of one person;even when I tried testing with > > definite dates and names. I'm convinced it's all a come-on to get one far > > enough in to start spending money. I don't want to spend anything till I > > know what I'm getting. Would you be able to find a Louise > > Anderson,originally coming from Pennsylvania,gave birth to a > daughter,Louise > > Dorothea Anderson in Saskatchewan about April of 1913?The father was > > supposedly a Adam George Anderson who later abandoned the family. Mother > and > > daughter ended up in Winnipeg,Manitoba with a man named Adam Schaf. If you > > can help me out it would be much appreciated. Thank you. Joyce Aros,Hawaii > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Toni Raugust" <rraugust@mb.sympatico.ca> > > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 4:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > > > > > > My parent's got into this family history and I said I bet I can get it > via > > > the net before you can snail mail away for it and I did, I got all > that > > > and then some from this page with the help of great people helping me > and > > > telling me what link I should look into. We could only go to my great > > > grand and now go back to the 1700's Everything that I found did come up > > on > > > the papers that they got but I still had it first... grin! I also found > > > distant relatives that have helped with the info they had and put our > > > family's together. > > > anyway if anyone is looking for folks that may have gone from > > > > > > ONTARIO TO FRANKLIN MANITOBA like my family did. or > > > MARCHWELL SASK. AND DISTRICTS > > > EAST ST PAUL MANITOBA > > > I HAVE HISTORY BOOKS FROM THOSE AREAS THAT I CAN DO LOOK UPS FOR YOU. > > > my history > > > Ferguson Scotland to Ontario to Manitoba to Sask > > > Jones > > > Moore > > > Orth > > > Poole > > > Ireland from Ireland > > > Raugust Germany > > > > > > > > > Good luck Toni Manitoba > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > Visit Winnipeg District, Manitoba GenWeb Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mbwinnip/ > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Protect Canadian Census Records From Destruction > http://globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm > POST 1901 CENSUS PROJECT >

Hello again Larry could you tell me how I would get a hold of those books again the Manitoba Script by Gail Morone (spelling) or anything that you found Metis info in for me. My parent's would like to put these with the others they have. I am working on a web page...I'll let you know when I have something to look at time time time. smile Toni

Audrey I don't know if this is anything but my husband tells me that there is a Elizabeth Fry woman's shelter in Wpg Manitoba. I have no other info on this just that it's there was built after a woman named Elizabeth Fry. You just never know good luck Toni

To all researchers, historians and genealogists: IF you want the post-1901 census records released as I do, please send Letters of Support to Senator Lorna Milne OR one to Senator Lowell Murray that you do not approve of his thoughts re our rightful history. I will happily receive all letters and mail -- OR mail direct, postage is FREE. The following is part of a release from Hansard, posted by Gordon Watts, one of the Canadian Census Committee members: ===================================== >From House of Commons Hansard, 15 Nov 1999 re Bill C-6: "In places like the Senate, we should be on guard against the apparent attempts by some historians, social scientists and journalists to persuade us that the right to collect and disseminate information should trump every other right in the book. That is why I have advocated that we revisit the idea of entrenching a right to privacy in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. "Since that time (when he spoke previously on this subject), I have had a number of indignant - indeed, in some cases irate - letters from various people, notably those interested in genealogy." The CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com list has received many of these letters, also many have been sent to my e-mail address. These have been tabulated and forwarded to Senator Lowell Murray! Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html>

The two provinces, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, are the main reason the 1906 law was passed - the provinces were new to Canada -- the Canadian government wanted the census so made promises -- these now affect all genealogists & researchers. Barbara Marrs has suggested Senator Lowell Murray receive MANY MANY letters if YOU do not agree with him. Should you wish to write letters, giving him ????, you may send direct with free postage or to my e-mail address. Senator Lorna Milne also likes YES letters and we have petitions -- just ask -- I have these and receive her mail. Muriel M. Davidson <Farquhar@netcom.ca> <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html> ======================================================== NOTE: The following Hansard item is lengthy, I did not post it. Taken from House of Commons Hansard for 15 November 1999 Excerpt from Senator Lowell Murray speaking again about Bill C-6 - -------------------------------- In the course of my speech on November 4, I also opened a parenthesis concerning the confidentially of census data. That matter was raised earlier today during Senators' Statements by our colleague Senator Milne. I referred to the campaign presently underway which would change the law brought in by Sir Wilfrid Laurier that guaranteed the confidentiality of personal and private information collected in the course of the census. At that time, I expressed my opposition to a change in that law as a matter of principle. Since that time, I have had a number of indignant - indeed, in some cases irate - letters from various people, notably those interested in genealogy. These people represented to me that adequate safeguards could be devised if we would but change the law. My response to them has been and is: Show me the safeguards and we will consider them, if and when Parliament is asked to change that law. However, on the general principle, I am unmoved. I believe that personal and private information collected from individuals by the government in the course of a census on the basis of a law that guarantees confidentiality should be kept confidential. I believe, as a matter of principle, that we should not lightly change that law. After all, census-taking over the years has become more and more intrusive, and just because people die does not mean that the government should be relieved of the commitment of confidentiality it made to those people. That is my opinion, honourable senators. In places like the Senate, we should be on guard against the apparent attempts by some historians, social scientists and journalists to persuade us that the right to collect and disseminate information should trump every other right in the book. That is why I have advocated that we revisit the idea of entrenching a right to privacy in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I cheerfully acknowledge that what we have here is a conflict or a clash between two legitimate principles, one having to do with access to information and the other having to do with privacy. As in any similar conflict of principles, one must try to strike a balance. This clash of principles or of values is also apparent in the bill that is before the house today. - ------------------------------------------ Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Port Coquitlam, BC ICQ # 9183352

joyce Hi I took a look in my Marchwell Sask book and found some Andersons but not the names that you are looking for. John Peter Anderson from Stockholm Sweden in 1856 his wife Christina they moved to Danville Illinois usa with four remaining children the others had died. In 1906 they moved with married daughter Agda and her husband Andrew Johnson and thier three children along with Agdas sister Elvera and Joseph Arthur stayed in the U.S.A he died in in 1926 let me know if anything is there. In Later Day Saints nothing. But check out the Andersons web page at http://www79.pair.com/adunits/family/ Hope this helps in some way Good luck from Toni in Manitoba always nice to talk to someone in Hawaii!!!

Hello Joyce, Can you give some more info on the ANDERSON you are looking for? Can you tell us what Louise's father's name was, and what birthdate? What was her husband's name? I have the ANDERSON clan in my database from 1765. We need the father's name to find the line you are looking for. Let me know. Larry:) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Aros <shalom@gte.net> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > Dear Toni, > What an interesting message! I'd like to know how you did it. I have been > feeding names into this computer for eight months now and have not been able > to verify the existence of one person;even when I tried testing with > definite dates and names. I'm convinced it's all a come-on to get one far > enough in to start spending money. I don't want to spend anything till I > know what I'm getting. Would you be able to find a Louise > Anderson,originally coming from Pennsylvania,gave birth to a daughter,Louise > Dorothea Anderson in Saskatchewan about April of 1913?The father was > supposedly a Adam George Anderson who later abandoned the family. Mother and > daughter ended up in Winnipeg,Manitoba with a man named Adam Schaf. If you > can help me out it would be much appreciated. Thank you. Joyce Aros,Hawaii > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Toni Raugust" <rraugust@mb.sympatico.ca> > To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > > > > My parent's got into this family history and I said I bet I can get it via > > the net before you can snail mail away for it and I did, I got all that > > and then some from this page with the help of great people helping me and > > telling me what link I should look into. We could only go to my great > > grand and now go back to the 1700's Everything that I found did come up > on > > the papers that they got but I still had it first... grin! I also found > > distant relatives that have helped with the info they had and put our > > family's together. > > anyway if anyone is looking for folks that may have gone from > > > > ONTARIO TO FRANKLIN MANITOBA like my family did. or > > MARCHWELL SASK. AND DISTRICTS > > EAST ST PAUL MANITOBA > > I HAVE HISTORY BOOKS FROM THOSE AREAS THAT I CAN DO LOOK UPS FOR YOU. > > my history > > Ferguson Scotland to Ontario to Manitoba to Sask > > Jones > > Moore > > Orth > > Poole > > Ireland from Ireland > > Raugust Germany > > > > > > Good luck Toni Manitoba > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Visit Winnipeg District, Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mbwinnip/ >

Peter Lots and Lots and Lots of time and no T.V. smile I have a job and three kids and after they went to bed (my husband is a computer widow ha ha) I put the names that I was looking for on the Roots page. I new that they came from Augusta Ontario at one point so that is how I started. Others would post web pages and I would look into them. Then I met on this page a man (Larry) who helped me with a book called the Manitoba Script (I am now looking at getting as I have info in there about my family) I took a chance and looked up any emails for one of the names I was looking for (Timlick) and found a distant cousin in the states that gave me a bit more info. Then I was told to look into the Church of Later Day Saints and found that an Uncle of mine had put in alot of info about our family with them before he died (no computers then) Why I have no idea but this is a place that I found alot of info. I had no idea that they had this or why I would look there. I then found a link to Lanark Count and found a man posted a message about his family two years ago and I emailed him and found that I am related to him my ggggrandmother and his ggggrandfather are brother and sister and I am yet to find out some info from him that he is sending to me. That is pretty much how I found out the info that I have......I did get a Family Tree Generations cd package 100.00 that I put all my info in on a disk and I can look up some names and ship lists on that. The only other cost that I had was for the mega paper and ink because I would print out anything that looked like I may need that and go back and look it over from time to time. I blew my parent's away with what I found as they were still on my g grandmothers maiden name and I was past that. If not for the help of other's from this page I would not have got as far as I did and I am very greatful to everyone on this page for all the links and messages and answered questions that they gave me.. They have helped me give my parents and my children a great gift of family history going into the year 2000. Because of the help they gave I found persons born in the late 1700's coming from Scotland on this thing called a computer that these people didn't even think could have been poss. We then found the graves and my parent's found more dates from there. Tell me more about your what you are looking for and I will see what I can do for you as others helped me Toni

Dear Audrey & Ray, I see that you folks are from Ontario. Could you tell me what I would do to get information on my estranged mother who supposedly died in a Sanitarium in Toronto in 1983? Would you be able to give me an address to start a search? Thank you if you can;and thank you anyway if you can't. Joyce Aros,Hawaii ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey & Ray Staines" <ve3kgs@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Manitoba Archives > Many thanks to those who wrote with their experiences with the Manitoba Archives. It seems I should be prepared for a wait. I think I will E-mail them again. My last E-mail went in the form of a forwarded message, as I had a mistake in the address, and I have a feeling they do not open things that look as though they have an attachment. Probably policy to ward off > viruses. > > I am just trying to find out how much they will charge me to photocopy the Land Grant files of two of my ancestors. It really does not further my research by much but the one I got from Saskatchewan is certainly extremely interesting. I like my genealogy to be more than a mere list of names. > > Thanks again to all > > Audrey in Ingersoll, Ontario. > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Free Webspace at RootsWeb > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > Create your Genealogy Website! >

Toni Raugust wrote: > Audrey > What part of Manitoba did they come from? > and what are the names you are looking for? > Toni > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Visit the Canada GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/ > See the Resources and Projects Hi Toni I just this minute finished sending another query to the Manitoba Archives. I am sure they are not answering because they thought it had an attachment. I have changed my browser so it sends forwarded mail in line so it does not look so suspicious. I have found the indexes for two separate Land Grants in the National Archives index. One is for Pt.SW Section 4, Twp. 9, Range 25 W1 name of James H. Fry and the other is SW and NW Parts of Section 6, Twp. 9, Range 25 W1 name of Edward Snelson. The wife of Edward Snelson, Elizabeth Anne Fry, was James Henry Fry's cousin. In 1901 Edward Snelson and wife Elizabeth along with children Mary E. born 1890, Herbert H. born 1891, Louisa A. born 1893, and Arthur R. born 1899 were listed in the Census for Electoral District of Brandon, Subdistrict Sifton. This couple were married in Oaklake in 1888. I have discovered, via the Internet!, that Edward Snelson was born in Cheshire in 1859 and Elizabeth was already in my tree and was born in London, England in 1854. I would dearly love to find any descendants of this family. There is only one Snelson in the Manitoba phone book and I wrote to them but never received a reply. There are some others in other parts of Canada but have not pursued this any further. As regards James Henry Fry, who was obviously a neighbour at the time of registering the patents, he sold his land and moved to Saskatchewan and was the postmaster at Frys, a halt on the CPR near Redvers in the Carlyle area. He had part NE, Section 14, Twp 7, Range 31, W1. This is how I know how efficient Saskatchewan is concerning this and the Archivist is extremely helpful even with questions not strictly in her territory. James Fry was the postmaster from 1901 until 1915 and it is then I lose track of him and his family of six children. A long answer to a short question. Thanks for your interest. Any ideas gratefully received Audrey in Ingersoll, Ontario.

Dear Toni, What an interesting message! I'd like to know how you did it. I have been feeding names into this computer for eight months now and have not been able to verify the existence of one person;even when I tried testing with definite dates and names. I'm convinced it's all a come-on to get one far enough in to start spending money. I don't want to spend anything till I know what I'm getting. Would you be able to find a Louise Anderson,originally coming from Pennsylvania,gave birth to a daughter,Louise Dorothea Anderson in Saskatchewan about April of 1913?The father was supposedly a Adam George Anderson who later abandoned the family. Mother and daughter ended up in Winnipeg,Manitoba with a man named Adam Schaf. If you can help me out it would be much appreciated. Thank you. Joyce Aros,Hawaii ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Raugust" <rraugust@mb.sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-MB-WINNIPEG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBWINNIPEG-L] Contacting Manitoba Archives > My parent's got into this family history and I said I bet I can get it via > the net before you can snail mail away for it and I did, I got all that > and then some from this page with the help of great people helping me and > telling me what link I should look into. We could only go to my great > grand and now go back to the 1700's Everything that I found did come up on > the papers that they got but I still had it first... grin! I also found > distant relatives that have helped with the info they had and put our > family's together. > anyway if anyone is looking for folks that may have gone from > > ONTARIO TO FRANKLIN MANITOBA like my family did. or > MARCHWELL SASK. AND DISTRICTS > EAST ST PAUL MANITOBA > I HAVE HISTORY BOOKS FROM THOSE AREAS THAT I CAN DO LOOK UPS FOR YOU. > my history > Ferguson Scotland to Ontario to Manitoba to Sask > Jones > Moore > Orth > Poole > Ireland from Ireland > Raugust Germany > > > Good luck Toni Manitoba > > > > ==== CAN-MB-WINNIPEG Mailing List ==== > Visit the Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ >

Audrey What part of Manitoba did they come from? and what are the names you are looking for? Toni

My parent's got into this family history and I said I bet I can get it via the net before you can snail mail away for it and I did, I got all that and then some from this page with the help of great people helping me and telling me what link I should look into. We could only go to my great grand and now go back to the 1700's Everything that I found did come up on the papers that they got but I still had it first... grin! I also found distant relatives that have helped with the info they had and put our family's together. anyway if anyone is looking for folks that may have gone from ONTARIO TO FRANKLIN MANITOBA like my family did. or MARCHWELL SASK. AND DISTRICTS EAST ST PAUL MANITOBA I HAVE HISTORY BOOKS FROM THOSE AREAS THAT I CAN DO LOOK UPS FOR YOU. my history Ferguson Scotland to Ontario to Manitoba to Sask Jones Moore Orth Poole Ireland from Ireland Raugust Germany Good luck Toni Manitoba