Forgive an Easterner for jumping into the fray - I'm just anxious to learn something. How come the government in Manitoba requires permission from next-of-kin to get a certificate dating from the 1880s? And you have to pay for one? Does this mean that the Manitoba gvoernment didn't let the Latter Day Saints organization microfilm the BMD certificates and make them available? I ask because almost any of the LDS research centres in towns and cities here have a complete set of BMD certificates on microfilm for Ontario, accessible and free to all, covering the period 1869-1932 (with a year's worth of film added each succeeding year). No questions asked, no permissions needed to transcribe or photocopy. I do realize that not everyone in the western provinces, where distances (and increasingly the price of gas!) are certanly factors to deal with, can get to an LDS centre easily if they're not in an urban area . But still, for many of you, I would have thought the nearest local LDS centres would be preferable to dealing with a remote government office. As I say, I'm simply curious, and also sympathetic. Doing family history can be tough enough as it is. Forgive me if I "just don't understand the situation". Max Sutherland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the money and take a chance. Darlene ** Attached is an application for your convenience. We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to release a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that occurred in Manitoba. Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore info > than you already know. > > Jayne Paradis > WInnipeg > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== Canada GenWeb Archives Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html Primary Records for Canada ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Max - Manitoba has the toughest regs for accessing certificates. In Alberta we can go to a local registry office and they will pull up the required certificate (provided it has been put into the system). As long as you can give reasonable reason and relationship they don't fuss. They do cost $25.00 each. But there is also a time frame in which the information can be accessed - a specific number of years must pass before the info is made available. Ontario is much further ahead in this but then there are more of you as well. I have been able to find out quite a lot of info of late 1800's and was surprised to find so much online. As an afterthought - getting permission from next-of-kin for an 1880 certificate could prove somewhat difficult - I wonder if the person who thought that one up ever took the time to think that if we knew who the next of kin was we wouldn't need their dubious services. I really think that many of these government departments were caught totally unaware by the onslaught of people seeking family members. Freda Stewart Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaxandMarilynSutherland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > Forgive an Easterner for jumping into the fray - I'm just anxious to learn > something. How come the government in Manitoba requires permission from > next-of-kin to get a certificate dating from the 1880s? And you have to pay > for one? Does this mean that the Manitoba gvoernment didn't let the Latter > Day Saints organization microfilm the BMD certificates and make them > available? > > I ask because almost any of the LDS research centres in towns and cities > here have a complete set of BMD certificates on microfilm for Ontario, > accessible and free to all, covering the period 1869-1932 (with a year's > worth of film added each succeeding year). No questions asked, no > permissions needed to transcribe or photocopy. > > I do realize that not everyone in the western provinces, where distances > (and increasingly the price of gas!) are certanly factors to deal with, can > get to an LDS centre easily if they're not in an urban area . But still, for > many of you, I would have thought the nearest local LDS centres would be > preferable to dealing with a remote government office. > > As I say, I'm simply curious, and also sympathetic. Doing family history can > be tough enough as it is. Forgive me if I "just don't understand the > situation". > > Max Sutherland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I > got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the > money and take a chance. Darlene > > ** Attached is an application for your convenience. > We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to > release > a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior > although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from > 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that > occurred in Manitoba. > Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think > > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore > info > > than you already know. > > > > Jayne Paradis > > WInnipeg > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > Primary Records for Canada > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > Primary Records for Canada > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Freda, I agree with you on the question about the next of kin !! On the application there is a space for you to give an explanation why you couldn't get consent from the next of kin and I stated "next of kin unknown". I wonder if that is going to give me a problem.?? Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > Hi Max - Manitoba has the toughest regs for accessing certificates. In > Alberta we can go to a local registry office and they will pull up the > required certificate (provided it has been put into the system). As long as > you can give reasonable reason and relationship they don't fuss. They do > cost $25.00 each. But there is also a time frame in which the information > can be accessed - a specific number of years must pass before the info is > made available. Ontario is much further ahead in this but then there are > more of you as well. I have been able to find out quite a lot of info of > late 1800's and was surprised to find so much online. As an afterthought - > getting permission from next-of-kin for an 1880 certificate could prove > somewhat difficult - I wonder if the person who thought that one up ever > took the time to think that if we knew who the next of kin was we wouldn't > need their dubious services. I really think that many of these government > departments were caught totally unaware by the onslaught of people seeking > family members. > Freda Stewart > Alberta > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MaxandMarilynSutherland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > Forgive an Easterner for jumping into the fray - I'm just anxious to learn > > something. How come the government in Manitoba requires permission from > > next-of-kin to get a certificate dating from the 1880s? And you have to > pay > > for one? Does this mean that the Manitoba gvoernment didn't let the Latter > > Day Saints organization microfilm the BMD certificates and make them > > available? > > > > I ask because almost any of the LDS research centres in towns and cities > > here have a complete set of BMD certificates on microfilm for Ontario, > > accessible and free to all, covering the period 1869-1932 (with a year's > > worth of film added each succeeding year). No questions asked, no > > permissions needed to transcribe or photocopy. > > > > I do realize that not everyone in the western provinces, where distances > > (and increasingly the price of gas!) are certanly factors to deal with, > can > > get to an LDS centre easily if they're not in an urban area . But still, > for > > many of you, I would have thought the nearest local LDS centres would be > > preferable to dealing with a remote government office. > > > > As I say, I'm simply curious, and also sympathetic. Doing family history > can > > be tough enough as it is. Forgive me if I "just don't understand the > > situation". > > > > Max Sutherland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > > Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I > > got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the > > money and take a chance. Darlene > > > > ** Attached is an application for your convenience. > > We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to > > release > > a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior > > although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from > > 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that > > occurred in Manitoba. > > Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM > > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I > think > > > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore > > info > > > than you already know. > > > > > > Jayne Paradis > > > WInnipeg > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > > Primary Records for Canada > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > > Primary Records for Canada > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Free Webspace at RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/FPhistory.html > Create your Genealogy Website! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Freda: Thanks for your very informative and genteel reply. It just shows how different the so-called "privacy" practices and policies can be from one province to another. In retrospect, I do think were just plain lucky here, in the sense that theOntario government rushed in twenty years ago where nowadays it would fear to tread. In other words, if the government here were now considering, for the first time, how to deal with BMD records, we would face all sorts of bumps and obstacles. Your comments on the Alberta system were helpful too - I'll know now what "some kind soul" would have to deal with if I were to ask help with a lookup, and govern my request accordingly. The written exchanges that you e-mailers have had in the last week about local history books alerted me to watch out for Western materials in the bookstores and flea markets here. Occasionally some amazing stuff about early Western homesteading shows up in garage sales. I picked up a nice hardcover history of the Battlefords (Sask), published about 1955, in a neighbour's recycling box last year. I'll surely keep you good folks in mind henceforth! Onward and Upward! Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs Hi Max - Manitoba has the toughest regs for accessing certificates. In Alberta we can go to a local registry office and they will pull up the required certificate (provided it has been put into the system). As long as you can give reasonable reason and relationship they don't fuss. They do cost $25.00 each. But there is also a time frame in which the information can be accessed - a specific number of years must pass before the info is made available. Ontario is much further ahead in this but then there are more of you as well. I have been able to find out quite a lot of info of late 1800's and was surprised to find so much online. As an afterthought - getting permission from next-of-kin for an 1880 certificate could prove somewhat difficult - I wonder if the person who thought that one up ever took the time to think that if we knew who the next of kin was we wouldn't need their dubious services. I really think that many of these government departments were caught totally unaware by the onslaught of people seeking family members. Freda Stewart Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaxandMarilynSutherland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > Forgive an Easterner for jumping into the fray - I'm just anxious to learn > something. How come the government in Manitoba requires permission from > next-of-kin to get a certificate dating from the 1880s? And you have to pay > for one? Does this mean that the Manitoba gvoernment didn't let the Latter > Day Saints organization microfilm the BMD certificates and make them > available? > > I ask because almost any of the LDS research centres in towns and cities > here have a complete set of BMD certificates on microfilm for Ontario, > accessible and free to all, covering the period 1869-1932 (with a year's > worth of film added each succeeding year). No questions asked, no > permissions needed to transcribe or photocopy. > > I do realize that not everyone in the western provinces, where distances > (and increasingly the price of gas!) are certanly factors to deal with, can > get to an LDS centre easily if they're not in an urban area . But still, for > many of you, I would have thought the nearest local LDS centres would be > preferable to dealing with a remote government office. > > As I say, I'm simply curious, and also sympathetic. Doing family history can > be tough enough as it is. Forgive me if I "just don't understand the > situation". > > Max Sutherland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I > got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the > money and take a chance. Darlene > > ** Attached is an application for your convenience. > We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to > release > a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior > although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from > 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that > occurred in Manitoba. > Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think > > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore > info > > than you already know. > > > > Jayne Paradis > > WInnipeg > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > Primary Records for Canada > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > Primary Records for Canada > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== Free Webspace at RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/FPhistory.html Create your Genealogy Website! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237