Thankyou very much Roy and Janet for looking in the Manitoba Vital Stats. I had done this before without success and I am wondering if these Stats. are complete, or perhaps boundaries of the Provinces have changed, or there is another reason why this marriage is not shown. My clues are derived from the obituary for James Blair Aitken who died in British Columbia in 1951: "A resident of Agassiz for more than thirty years James B. Aitken died at his home Thursday. Born in Maryfield, Lanarkshire, Scotland July 5, 1869, he came to Canada and settled in Manitoba in 1892 where he married Margaret Taylor in 1894." (I should imagine James's widow would know where they married as all the other details on the death certificate are accurate.) I have also tried looking in the Ontario marriage indexes without success. Any other avenues I could try? John

> My clues are derived from the obituary for James > Blair Aitken who died in British Columbia in 1951: > "... James B. Aitken died at his home Thursday. > ... he came to Canada and settled in Manitoba in > 1892 where he married Margaret Taylor in 1894." I notice that the stats include a marriage for James AIKINS contracted on 12 Dec 1894 (reg'n # 1895,001234). The bride is shown as Sarah Jane MONTGOMERY. Is it possible that this is his marriage, but that the bride's name has been incorrectly entered, or incorrectly transcribed? In that year, there were only four men of the forename James, and surname initial "A" that were married in Manitoba. The first thing I'd do, is attempt to review the original document of this marriage myself, or have a reliable agent check it. Mistranscription is highly possible, and easily determined. A mis-entry by the registration clerk is also quite possible, but probably not so easily determined. If you can identify the location of the marriage (church), possibly the church register would show the bride's name to be different from that in the registration. Review of the registration would provide the names of his parents, and thus show whether or not this is the James AITKEN that you seek. > (I should imagine James's widow would know where > they married as all the other details on the death > certificate are accurate.) James and Margaret appear in the 1901 census, in Brandon, living in her parents' household (William & Mary TAYLOR). There appears to be no doubt that his wife indeed was Margaret TAYLOR. From the census, I notice that Margaret and her parents were also born in Scotland, and also arrived in Manitoba in 1892. > I have also tried looking in the Ontario marriage > indexes without success. Brandon is close to the USA border, and close to the Saskatchewan border. It's improbable, but possibly they may have travelled west or south for their marriage. Maybe they went back to Scotland for their marriage and honeymoon, although I think she would have mentioned it had they done so. Perhaps this truly is a case of a marriage not having ever been registered. The suggestion that you should check the church register is a good one, but methinks the Anglican Church registers won't help you. I notice from the census that the family was entirely Presbyterian. tricia

> You are right about the province changing. Manitoba > was originally known as the postage stamp province. > I think it was sometime in the 1890's that it > became the province it is today. I think that the boundaries make no difference as to this registration. The boundaries of the province were first expanded in 1881 (to their present east and west limits, and about halfway north from today's limit), long before the marriage occurred. The earliest Manitoba marriage registered was that of Thomas Cave BOULTON and Rose KNIGHT, in 1879. There were zero marriages registered for 1880, and 73 for 1881. In 1882, there were 707. After that, the numbers pretty steadily increase annually. Vital stats registrations commenced in Manitoba in 1879. In the initial two or three years of registration, there was probably a fair amount of laxity in reporting, but by the time of this marriage (1894), I believe that reporting would have been fairly consistant. A few may have never been registered. A number were registered at later dates, some much later. > There are mistakes in the vital stats. There are, but they're rather exceptional. For the most part, the stats are quite accurate. Errors most frequently are seen in late registrations, and in death registrations (in which a relative, minister, doctor, or other third party gave the details) in which the person reporting the event was honestly mistaken in some detail. Proud new parents rarely provided incorrect information about their progeny. > My great grandparents died in the early 1900's > in Gladstone and are buried there but they are > not in the vital stats. I have not been able to > determine the reason. I don't doubt they're buried there; however, what proof do you have that they actually died in Gladstone? Could they have died elsewhere, and been returned to Gladstone for interment? Could their surname or given names have been incorrectly entered by the registrar, or incorrectly stated by the reporting person? Spelling errors are the most common reason for registrations not showing up. Sometimes diligent searching can uncover them with surprising inaccuracies that made them appear not to have been registered. tricia

Hi Manitoba Listers, I would be grateful for help in finding the marriage date/place of James Blair AITKEN to Margaret Garvie TAYLOR in Manitoba in about 1894. In the 1901 Canadian census they were living with Margaret's parents in Pipestone, Brandon District, Manitoba, and they later moved to British Columbia. Thankyou, John Johnston Gisborne New Zealand

John: You are right about the province changing. Manitoba was originally known as the postage stamp province. I think it was sometime in the 1890's that it became the province it is today. There are mistakes in the vital stats. My great grandparents died in the early 1900's in Gladstone and are buried there but they are not in the vital stats. I have not been able to determine the reason. The other place you could check is the Anglican Diocese in Winnipeg. They have records dating back to the early 1800's for births, marriages, and deaths for the Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Unfortunately they are not on the internet as far as I know. You will have to snail mail them and they do charge a fee. Their address: St Johns Anglican Diocese Archives 935 Nesbitt Way Winnipeg Manitoba Phone # 1-204-453-6130. I haven't used this address or phone number for a couple of years so you might want to check it first. Happy hunting Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & John Johnston" <jeanjohn@xtra.co.nz> To: <CAN-MANITOBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Marriage James Blair AITKEN and Margaret Garvie TAYLOR > Thankyou very much Roy and Janet for looking in the Manitoba Vital Stats. I > had done this before without success and I am wondering if these Stats. are > complete, or perhaps boundaries of the Provinces have changed, or there is > another reason why this marriage is not shown. > > My clues are derived from the obituary for James Blair Aitken who died in > British Columbia in 1951: > > "A resident of Agassiz for more than thirty years James B. Aitken died at > his home Thursday. > Born in Maryfield, Lanarkshire, Scotland July 5, 1869, he came to Canada and > settled in Manitoba in 1892 where he married Margaret Taylor in 1894." > (I should imagine James's widow would know where they married as all the > other > details on the death certificate are accurate.) > > I have also tried looking in the Ontario marriage indexes without success. > > Any other avenues I could try? > > John > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > For list information, subscribing, unsubscribing and archives visit: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-MANITOBA.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Bonjour, I found on the Canada site Directories in "Ontario Gazetteer and Directory for 1892-1893", Simoneau Brothers, hotel, in St-Jean-Baptiste and St-Pierre-Jolys. Does somebody can give me more information about these Simoneau brothers ? Thanks. Pierre Simoneau --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage.

Just when the problem with the release of the 1911 census has been resolved, another seems to rearing its ugly head. Canada Post is in the process of preparing its new budget to take effect March 1, 2006, One of the changes is that libraries will no longer have a special postal rate to ship materials by mail on inter-library loan. The example given to me was a 4" x 7" x 3/4" paperback book which can currently go out on inter-library loan at a cost of 87 cents, effective March 1, 2006 will cost $7.44. There will be very few libraries that will be able to absorb this large increase. My local library has already decided that there will be no inter-library loan available once the new rate comes into effect. They cannot afford the extra cost. Lack of inter-library loan will not only affect those of us doing genealogy but also students, researchers, and every person who simply wishes to read a book that is not available at their local library. This is supposed to be the information age, but not every library has all needed information, not everything is available on the internet and not every home as a personal computer. Everyone will be affected regardless of whether they live in a rural area or in a major city. Once again it is necessary to email our members of parliament, the Prime Minister, Paul Martin, the minister responsible for Canada Post, John McCallum, the minister for Canadian Heritage, Liza Frulla and your local federal member of parliament. In this case, because most libraries also receive funding from the provinces and city and municipal governments, they should also be contacted. Canada Post will finalize their budget on Sept. 1, 2005, so there is some urgency in showing how much opposition there is to this increase. They would probably be happier if this proposed change did not become public knowledge, until they can say it to late for them to do anything, so send your letters and e-mails as soon as possible. A letter to the editor of your local newspaper might also bring this to the attention of more people Please pass this information on to any person or group you feel will be affected. Sometimes it takes a lot of voices to make them hear. E-mail addresses for Paul Martin: Martin.P@parl.gc.ca or pm@pm.gc.ca John McCallum: McCallum.J@parl.gc.ca Liza Frulla: Frulla.L@parl.gc.ca or frullll@parl.gc.ca The addresses for your other federal members of parliament can be found at: http://canadaonline.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=canadaonline&zu=http%3A%2F%22 Fwww.parl.gc.ca%2Finformation%2Fabout%2Fpeople%2Fhouse%2Fmpscur.asp%3Flang%3DE One long URL, will require select, copy and paste. Click on the name of the member and on the next screen on "Contact Information" A. Ritchie

Thanks, Cheryl. There was a railway timetable in one - just what I was looking for!!!! Earl

Also, there's a person index for the first book at http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/finding/collier.pdf Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Fraser" <normanfraser@rogers.com> To: "Susan Rex" <srex@shockware.com>; <CAN-MANITOBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Sinclair of Portage la Prairie > Susan, I know of two books: > > A History of Portage La Prairie and Surrounding District, by Anne Collier; > published in 1970 for the Manitoba centennial, and > > Harvest of History: High Bluff and Area; High Bluff History Book > Committee; published by Herff Jones Canada, Winnipeg > > You can find both in the AMICUS database in the National Library website > http://www.collectionscanada.ca/amicus/index-e.html > > Use title keyword search and look through the inventory: there's probably > an interlibrary loan somewhere in there. > > Cheers > > Norm in Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Rex" <srex@shockware.com> > To: <CAN-MANITOBA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:01 PM > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Sinclair of Portage la Prairie > > >>I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of or had access to a history >> book for Portage la Prairie. I'm interested in the Sinclair family. >> They >> may be related to a Malcolm Sinclair of Grey County, Ontario. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== >> For list information, subscribing, unsubscribing and archives visit: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-MANITOBA.html >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >

Susan, I know of two books: A History of Portage La Prairie and Surrounding District, by Anne Collier; published in 1970 for the Manitoba centennial, and Harvest of History: High Bluff and Area; High Bluff History Book Committee; published by Herff Jones Canada, Winnipeg You can find both in the AMICUS database in the National Library website http://www.collectionscanada.ca/amicus/index-e.html Use title keyword search and look through the inventory: there's probably an interlibrary loan somewhere in there. Cheers Norm in Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Rex" <srex@shockware.com> To: <CAN-MANITOBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Sinclair of Portage la Prairie >I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of or had access to a history > book for Portage la Prairie. I'm interested in the Sinclair family. They > may be related to a Malcolm Sinclair of Grey County, Ontario. > > Susan > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > For list information, subscribing, unsubscribing and archives visit: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-MANITOBA.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Susan, These two; Title: Portage la Prairie : the friendly city Author: Portage la Prairie Board of Trade Publisher: Portage la Prairie, Manitoba: s.n., 1925 Title: Portage la Prairie, Manitoba and her industries Author: Publisher: Portage la Prairie, Manitoba: Steen & Boyce, 1882 can be found at "ourroots" http://www.ourroots.ca/e/search.asp Bette

My aunt Annie Evelyn MURPHY died in Wawanesa on Saturday July 2 and I was wondering if there has been an obituary placed in the paper. I have the address for the Brandon Sun but it is only showing one obituary which seems a little strange. I was wondering if someone who gets the Sun or whatever paper that might include Wawanesa news would mind checking to see if there was one put in the paper for her and if there was could they send me a copy? Thank you very much. Carol Lylyk Calgary

You might try looking at ourroots. It is an online website with lots of local histories - I think there are one or two early histories of Portage. Just type ourroots into Google and it should bring up the site. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Rex" <srex@shockware.com> To: <CAN-MANITOBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Sinclair of Portage la Prairie > I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of or had access to a history > book for Portage la Prairie. I'm interested in the Sinclair family. They > may be related to a Malcolm Sinclair of Grey County, Ontario. > > Susan > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > For list information, subscribing, unsubscribing and archives visit: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-MANITOBA.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

I am looking for information on Thomas Franklin, born abt 1813. I know that about 1859 he married Mary (Foulds) Johnston, widow of James Johnston. They had four children together (Henry, Jacon, Caroline & Margaret).. I especially would like to know anything of Thomas Franklin's first marriage & children, and about his family. He is listed as being Métis, but he was born in England. I have all of the census data on him. I would slso like to know anything possible about his children with Mary Foulds. She was my great-great grandmother through her first marriage. Thanks, Lynton (Bill) Stewart A former Canadian Citizen, who's citizenship was stolen by an unjust law. Hopefully, it will be restored in 2005 or early 2006. Métis, Loyalist, Scot's and English Immigrants are my ancestry.

I was wondering if anyone on the list knew of or had access to a history book for Portage la Prairie. I'm interested in the Sinclair family. They may be related to a Malcolm Sinclair of Grey County, Ontario. Susan

Hello Evelyn, I have just recently completed a search for another family from Kent - on behalf of a lady who lives in Edenbridge! It is a small world when you get into genealogy! From the partially indexed Ships Passenger Lists, being transcribed by the Nanaimo Family History Society (LDS): www.members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs BAKER Edward, no age shown, arrived 10 July 1908 on "Victorian" at Quebec Ports. BAKER Thomas, aged 26, arrived 31 July 1908 on "Empress of Britain" at Quebec Ports. These may or may not be "your" Bakers. I couldn't find any Pennicards or Pattendens on the Lists, so far. From Manitoba Statistics: Edith Avis PENNICARD married Alexander Mitchell CLARK on 29 July 1921. From City of Winnipeg Cemeteries Search: Burials from Brookside Cemetery: Ann PENNICARD died 23 Jan 1944 Denis Joseph PENNICARD died 24 July 1964 both buried in Site: D3 Lot 0017 Mrs Edith PATTENDEN DIED 25 Nov 1943 Site 24-1680 Baby PATTENDEN DIED 3 Jan 1919 Site 62-0120 Alexander Mitchell CLARK died 20 Oct 1949 Edith CLARK died 3 Nov 1938 both buried in Site D3-0354 Thomas BAKER died 4 July 1942 Anne BAKER died 13 April 1975 both buried Site D2-1153 One other Thomas Baker is buried in a Military Grave and another appears to be alone in 44B-0030. I hope some of this is useful for your search. There is a special Census that was taken in 1906 to give an idea of the large influx of people into what they called "The Northwest Provinces". This Census includes Winnipeg (and St. Boniface) but is not yet indexed and there is a lot of work entailed in finding anyone in it. There are also, in our Legislative Library, city directories, called Henderson's Directory, which list people alphabetically and also lists streets and houses and occupants. If you would like me to check your names in a couple of them, I would be happy to do so. I'm afraid I don't have the time to search every year but I could try say, 1920 and 1930, to see if I can find some of them. Let me know if I can help further. Regards, Jan Jones in Winnipeg janjones@shaw.ca

Good morning listers, Would SKS with expert knowledge be able to tell me where or how to discover the date of a departure back to England. My aunt Jess (nee WILSON) and her husband Charlie BEADELL emigrated to Winnipeg in the 40's or early 50's. Jess died in 1975 and Charlie, returned home to Walthamstow, north London where he died in 1985. Having only recently discovered this I am eager to piece together the events. They had no children so I've only you guys and officialdom to help me. Thank you in advance. regards paul newell

Hello I'm new to the list and would love some help to find the descendants of four families who were all living in Edenbridge, Kent, England, at the time of the 1901 census. They are all part of my husband's family - I hope it won't sound mixed up. My husband's Grandfather had a twin sister Edith Avis PATTENDEN who married Harry Dennis PENNICARD and they had three daughters Denise, Kate and Dora PENNICARD. Harry was killed in WW1 and Edith was living in Winnipeg at that time. She later married Alexander CLARK. Edith Avis PATTENDEN/PENNICARD had two half brothers and one half sister, their names were Ann BAKER, Thomas BAKER and Edward BAKER. We are looking for the descendants of Ann BAKER who married Joseph PENNICARD in England before they left. Thomas and Edward BAKER (sons and daughter of Kate and James Baker of Edenbridge, Kent) - not much is known about them but we know the son of one of them came back to England looking for family. The two PENNICARD brothers were born in Kirdford, Sussex. We always presumed that the families moved to Winnipeg at about the same time. Can anyone help please - I know this is a long shot. Sincerely Evelyn Jenner Kent, England.

Evelyn: I checked the Manitoba vital stats website and the Pennicard that came up for birth, marriage or death was Edith and Alexander Clark in St. Boniface, which is part of Winnipeg now. Here is the address: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/ListView.php Janet St. Albert, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Jenner" <cressway@tesco.net> To: <CAN-MANITOBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:11 AM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] BAKER and PENNICARD from Kent to Winnipeg > > Hello > > I'm new to the list and would love some help to find the descendants of four > families who were all living in Edenbridge, Kent, England, at the time of > the 1901 census. They are all part of my husband's family - I hope it won't > sound mixed up. > > My husband's Grandfather had a twin sister Edith Avis PATTENDEN who married > Harry Dennis PENNICARD and they had three daughters Denise, Kate and Dora > PENNICARD. Harry was killed in WW1 and Edith was living in Winnipeg at that > time. She later married Alexander CLARK. > > Edith Avis PATTENDEN/PENNICARD had two half brothers and one half sister, > their names were Ann BAKER, Thomas BAKER and Edward BAKER. > > We are looking for the descendants of Ann BAKER who married Joseph PENNICARD > in England before they left. Thomas and Edward BAKER (sons and daughter of > Kate and James Baker of Edenbridge, Kent) - not much is known about them but > we know the son of one of them came back to England looking for family. > > The two PENNICARD brothers were born in Kirdford, Sussex. > > We always presumed that the families moved to Winnipeg at about the same > time. > > Can anyone help please - I know this is a long shot. > > Sincerely > Evelyn Jenner > Kent, England. > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > For list information, subscribing, unsubscribing and archives visit: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-MANITOBA.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello all, I am trying to find any descendants of Thomas Watson, born 1881 in Christchurch, Upwell. According to familysearch.org, he died 1970 in Porta La Prairie. He married Mabel Mary Oliver on 7th November 1911, possibly in Storthoaks. They probably lived in Melita. Several of his descendants in England and Australia would love to be able to contact the Canadian branch of the family. I would be very grateful for any clues for where else we could look. Best wishes, Anne Jackson (great granddaughter)