Barb, What year was your death certificate? I am wondering if I will get any pertinent information from a 1888 certificate. Maui sounds good right about now. Thanks Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Wessinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > Darlene, > I just went through this process ... twice, with a returned check the first > time and > results the second time. They even said they would send me a partial refund > ... not yet > received and I don't know why they are sending it, but I'll be happy to see > it :-). > Good luck on yours. Barbara on Maui > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I > > got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the > > money and take a chance. Darlene > > > > ** Attached is an application for your convenience. > > We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to > > release > > a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior > > although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from > > 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that > > occurred in Manitoba. > > Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM > > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I > think > > > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore > > info > > > than you already know. > > > > > > Jayne Paradis > > > WInnipeg > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > > Primary Records for Canada > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Noreen. I have some Bartley's in my tree. My Bartley's came from East Hastings County, Ontario and eventually ended up in Sask. I firmly believe that they were in Manitoba for a while but have been unable to substantiate it. My line stems from my Great Grandmother Gerta or Gertrude Bartley who's father was Ezra Bartley. Ezra came from a family of 8 kids who's dad was Courtland Bartley. Ezra Bartley married Fanny Moffatt in 1891 in Ontario. Let me know if some of this looks familiar. Leeanne -----Original Message----- From: Noreen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books Hi Bette, RE: They Stopped In a Good Place - Beausejour Area Would you please lookup my names please. Jorgenson Van Walleghem Bartley Boulanger Thank you. Noreen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette Kosmolak" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > I too have a copies of heritage books and am willing to do lookups: > I have the ones for Neepawa, Minnedosa, Eriksdale, and "They Stopped at > a Good Place" which includes Beausejour, Brokenhead, Garson & Tyndall > areas. > > I'm not surprised you couldn't get the book in Neepawa. They were only > printed once in the 1980's, and almost by order. From what I can find, > almost all heritage books are only available through secondhand book > stores. In fact, many stores don't even like to carry these books > because they are hard to market, except through the internet. I found > the one on Beausejour in a tiny town on Vancouver Island and snatched it > up because it only cost $10 and I figured that sooner or later someone > would want it. > > Cheers, > Bette > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== Visit the Canada GenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/ See the Resources and Projects ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Bette: Would you please tell me if the Neepawa book has information on Joseph & Gwen JONES or David Thomas JONES? Best wishes Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Bette Kosmolak <[email protected]> >

Darlene, I just went through this process ... twice, with a returned check the first time and results the second time. They even said they would send me a partial refund ... not yet received and I don't know why they are sending it, but I'll be happy to see it :-). Good luck on yours. Barbara on Maui ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen & Darlene Dowhaniuk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I > got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the > money and take a chance. Darlene > > ** Attached is an application for your convenience. > We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to > release > a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior > although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from > 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that > occurred in Manitoba. > Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think > > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore > info > > than you already know. > > > > Jayne Paradis > > WInnipeg > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Canada GenWeb Archives Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/cgwarchives.html > Primary Records for Canada > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Coralynn, Just thought you might like to know that Pierson, Manitoba is in the R.M. of Edward and there is a book called "Harvests of Time: history of the R.M. of Edward". Published by the Pierson, Man. R.M. of Edward History Book Committee 1983. Sometimes these books will have townships maps in them with the landowners names. Karen >From: "Coralynn Teichrib" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Land titles >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:08:26 -0700 > >Is there a site to find Land titles or do you have to order them. >I'm looking for 19-2-27 WI around Pierson MB. I as wondering who owned it >in 1918. >coralynn > > >==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== >Manitoba GenWeb Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

I do have that book Karen. I grew up in the area. Unlike the neighboring Albert district they didn't put in the land titiles. i can tell you who first owned all the properties my family bought from way back when. It's a thought for any other municipalities doing books. Thanks for the thought though Coralynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Land titles > Coralynn, > Just thought you might like to know that Pierson, Manitoba is in the R.M. of > Edward and there is a book called "Harvests of Time: history of the R.M. of > Edward". Published by the Pierson, Man. R.M. of Edward History Book > Committee 1983. Sometimes these books will have townships maps in them with > the landowners names. > Karen > > > > > > > > >From: "Coralynn Teichrib" <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Land titles > >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:08:26 -0700 > > > >Is there a site to find Land titles or do you have to order them. > >I'm looking for 19-2-27 WI around Pierson MB. I as wondering who owned it > >in 1918. > >coralynn > > > > > >==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > >Manitoba GenWeb Project > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Visit the Canada GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/ > See the Resources and Projects > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Coralynn, The Provincial Archives of Manitoba http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/index.html has land records, townships plans, maps etc. and you can email them. Their site says "staff can do a limited research for persons unable to visit the archives in person." Hope it works out. Karen >From: "Coralynn Teichrib" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Land titles >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:08:26 -0700 > >Is there a site to find Land titles or do you have to order them. >I'm looking for 19-2-27 WI around Pierson MB. I as wondering who owned it >in 1918. >coralynn > > >==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== >Manitoba GenWeb Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Is there a site to find Land titles or do you have to order them. I'm looking for 19-2-27 WI around Pierson MB. I as wondering who owned it in 1918. coralynn

Does anyone have the name EBER in their families. I have found one buried with a BATEMAN in the Pierson MB cemetary. I have never even heard the name before Coralynn

Hi Folks: I recently applied for my gr-granfather's death cert. for 1918. They replied and indicated that they had searched from 1882 - 2002. No record was found. No money was returned. Good Luck, Norma, Ont.

Thank you Jayne & Norma for your advice. The following is what I got back from the Manitoba Gov't.........so I guess I will just pay the money and take a chance. Darlene ** Attached is an application for your convenience. We require authorization of an immediate next of kin still living to release a record. Our records go back to 1882 with some church records prior although not a full collection. We are able to search our data base from 1882 to present for the $25.00 fee. We only have records of events that occurred in Manitoba. Our genealogical searches take from six to eight weeks.** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Paradis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] re: death certs > > > > > I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think > their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore info > than you already know. > > Jayne Paradis > WInnipeg > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > CAN-MANITOBA-L Mailing List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/canmanitoba.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think their records start from the 1890s and actually may not contain anymore info than you already know. Jayne Paradis WInnipeg _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi Tricia - I have since talked with our local librarian. Her suggestion is that the communities be made aware that the libraries will always be glad to have these books donated. If they get several editions the same they pass them on. There is a move afoot across Canada to get ALL libraries connected and accessible by internet. In Alberta right now I am learning to access all libraries here; one can find out where the books they desire are located and then directly order them through ILL at no cost. Our librarian says that the provinces are all either doing this or have done, but the interprovincial connection is not available yet for ordinary users. ILL from other provinces still has to be done by the local libraries. I suspect this may have something to do with the plans afoot to combine the National Library with National Archives and get it all online. Have you accessed www.globalgenealogy.com yet? There is a lot of information there through the Canada Census Campaign that talks about this combining and the recent formation of a Canadian Genealogy Society. Best wishes Freda Stewart Stettler, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "software" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > Hi, Freda: > > Freda wrote: > > > > I note your info about the history books and I have also been > > told that there is no market. They are such a gold mine ... > > Oh, they are, indeed! > > > I am not skilled enough with a computer to set up a site (or I > > would do) which would offer to list these books and the contact > > person for such. > > It is sorely needed. But, I think one of the biggest problems, is when > the original owners die, and the heirs have no idea how valuable a > resource they may be to others. Not realizing their value, the heirs > then dump them into a pile of old books that they're trying to unload at > a yard-sale or such event just to clean up the former owner's premises. > Of course, in such an environment, there's precious little chance of > them being happened upon by people that will accord them their true > worth. > > > I hate to see them ignored at garage sales and then > > ultimately taken to the dump. > > This breaks my heart. I LOVE books, and I've assembled quite a > creditable private library. What happens to them after I'm gone is a > deep concern of mine. I desperately want my books to go to good homes, > where they'll be truly appreciated, and where they'll be used to good > purpose. I've considered donating them to the public library, but > having seen how even the library disposes of less popular volumes after > they've been around for a while, I'm not about to donate them there (at > least not to the Yellowknife Library). > > Not only should there be a "Heritage-Book exchange/sale" website (and if > there ever is one, it needs to be well publicized), but there should be > a physical library that nurtures books donated from estates, and makes > them readily available through InterLibrary Loan. We also need a > greatly expanded North American (or, at least, Canadian) "Archive CD > Books" branch. I notice that for Canada, Rod Neep only has two slim > volumes on offer. This is so sad. > > tricia > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Manitoba Regions - Volunteer Opportunities > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/regions.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I'd double check before you send away for a death cert from 1888. I think their records start from the early 1890s and actually may not contain anymore info than you already know. Jayne Paradis Winnipeg _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi, Freda: Freda wrote: > > I note your info about the history books and I have also been > told that there is no market. They are such a gold mine ... Oh, they are, indeed! > I am not skilled enough with a computer to set up a site (or I > would do) which would offer to list these books and the contact > person for such. It is sorely needed. But, I think one of the biggest problems, is when the original owners die, and the heirs have no idea how valuable a resource they may be to others. Not realizing their value, the heirs then dump them into a pile of old books that they're trying to unload at a yard-sale or such event just to clean up the former owner's premises. Of course, in such an environment, there's precious little chance of them being happened upon by people that will accord them their true worth. > I hate to see them ignored at garage sales and then > ultimately taken to the dump. This breaks my heart. I LOVE books, and I've assembled quite a creditable private library. What happens to them after I'm gone is a deep concern of mine. I desperately want my books to go to good homes, where they'll be truly appreciated, and where they'll be used to good purpose. I've considered donating them to the public library, but having seen how even the library disposes of less popular volumes after they've been around for a while, I'm not about to donate them there (at least not to the Yellowknife Library). Not only should there be a "Heritage-Book exchange/sale" website (and if there ever is one, it needs to be well publicized), but there should be a physical library that nurtures books donated from estates, and makes them readily available through InterLibrary Loan. We also need a greatly expanded North American (or, at least, Canadian) "Archive CD Books" branch. I notice that for Canada, Rod Neep only has two slim volumes on offer. This is so sad. tricia

Another way is to notify the GENWEB Hosts for that particular area that you have history books available to be given away or to sell. I know there is still a demand. The 2 latest RM Hamiota history books are still available and I have lost track of how many people I have directed to the RM office to buy their copies. I also check out my favourite used bookstore in Brandon Manitoba every time I am back in Manitoba. So if anyone has community history books for the RM Hamiota, Miniota, Woodworth, or Blanshard or small communites within those RM, that they don't want anymore - drop me a note. I can at least keep a list for those areas. Elaine V. Routledge Taylor Host R.M. Hamiota, Manitoba Canada GENWEB [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > I note your info about the history books and I have also been told that > there is no market. They are such a gold mine of information when we don't > yet have the 1906 census. I am not skilled enough with a computer to set up > a site (or I would do)which would offer to list these books and the contact > person for such. I hate to see them ignored at garage sales and then > ultimately taken to the dump. > Best wishes > Freda Stewart > Alberta

Freda I have a book of the MacGregor area and there is Knox listed and also Stewarts. What are the first names and dates of the people you are looking for? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > Hi Bette - I would much appreciate lookups of any families named KNOX; > YUILL; or STEWART. My families are all over Manitoba so it is sometimes > hard to pin down a particular district. > I note your info about the history books and I have also been told that > there is no market. They are such a gold mine of information when we don't > yet have the 1906 census. I am not skilled enough with a computer to set up > a site (or I would do)which would offer to list these books and the contact > person for such. I hate to see them ignored at garage sales and then > ultimately taken to the dump. > Best wishes > Freda Stewart > Alberta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bette Kosmolak" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:08 AM > Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > > > > I too have a copies of heritage books and am willing to do lookups: > > I have the ones for Neepawa, Minnedosa, Eriksdale, and "They Stopped at > > a Good Place" which includes Beausejour, Brokenhead, Garson & Tyndall > > areas. > > > > I'm not surprised you couldn't get the book in Neepawa. They were only > > printed once in the 1980's, and almost by order. From what I can find, > > almost all heritage books are only available through secondhand book > > stores. In fact, many stores don't even like to carry these books > > because they are hard to market, except through the internet. I found > > the one on Beausejour in a tiny town on Vancouver Island and snatched it > > up because it only cost $10 and I figured that sooner or later someone > > would want it. > > > > Cheers, > > Bette > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > > Manitoba GenWeb Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Visit the Canada GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/ > See the Resources and Projects > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, If I request information from vital stat. should I ask for a copy of the death certificate or would a death registration have more information on it? It is from 1888. Tks Darlene

Hi Bette - I would much appreciate lookups of any families named KNOX; YUILL; or STEWART. My families are all over Manitoba so it is sometimes hard to pin down a particular district. I note your info about the history books and I have also been told that there is no market. They are such a gold mine of information when we don't yet have the 1906 census. I am not skilled enough with a computer to set up a site (or I would do)which would offer to list these books and the contact person for such. I hate to see them ignored at garage sales and then ultimately taken to the dump. Best wishes Freda Stewart Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette Kosmolak" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:08 AM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > I too have a copies of heritage books and am willing to do lookups: > I have the ones for Neepawa, Minnedosa, Eriksdale, and "They Stopped at > a Good Place" which includes Beausejour, Brokenhead, Garson & Tyndall > areas. > > I'm not surprised you couldn't get the book in Neepawa. They were only > printed once in the 1980's, and almost by order. From what I can find, > almost all heritage books are only available through secondhand book > stores. In fact, many stores don't even like to carry these books > because they are hard to market, except through the internet. I found > the one on Beausejour in a tiny town on Vancouver Island and snatched it > up because it only cost $10 and I figured that sooner or later someone > would want it. > > Cheers, > Bette > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Bette, RE: They Stopped In a Good Place - Beausejour Area Would you please lookup my names please. Jorgenson Van Walleghem Bartley Boulanger Thank you. Noreen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette Kosmolak" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: [CAN-Manitoba] Heritage books > I too have a copies of heritage books and am willing to do lookups: > I have the ones for Neepawa, Minnedosa, Eriksdale, and "They Stopped at > a Good Place" which includes Beausejour, Brokenhead, Garson & Tyndall > areas. > > I'm not surprised you couldn't get the book in Neepawa. They were only > printed once in the 1980's, and almost by order. From what I can find, > almost all heritage books are only available through secondhand book > stores. In fact, many stores don't even like to carry these books > because they are hard to market, except through the internet. I found > the one on Beausejour in a tiny town on Vancouver Island and snatched it > up because it only cost $10 and I figured that sooner or later someone > would want it. > > Cheers, > Bette > > > ==== CAN-MANITOBA Mailing List ==== > Manitoba GenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >