Just wondering if someone would be kind enough to do some lookup;s for me.I'm looking for birth and death dates on these people. Name-Elizabeth Harris Cemetery-Nanaimo Burial Register Location-Nanaimo Region-Vancover Island REF-BCGS-C-67 Name-Elizabeth Johnstone Cemetery-Nanaimo Burial Register Location-Nanaimo Region-Vancover Island REF-BCGS-C-67 Name-Thomas Johnstone Cemetery-Nanaimo Burial Register Location-Nanaimo Region-Vancover Island REF-BCGS-C-61 Would deeply appreciate any information. George Johnstone Woodstock,Ont

Hi Jennifer, Since you didn't clarify which Supreme Court you were considering, I thought you might find the following useful. Here's the URL for recent judgements, news releases and weekly bulletins from the Supreme Court of Canada: http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/index.html Good luck in your search. Neil from Sidney, BC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JenniferTaylor" <taylormmm@home.com> > To: <CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:48 PM > Subject: [CAN-BC] Seeking research help! > > > Hi all - > > I recently found out some information about my paternal Grandfather > concerning his dismissal with the Vancouver Police Department. Apparently > there was a court case in the Supreme Court. And I'm assuming news coverage > on the case in the Vancouver newspapers. > > My first question is: > Is there any way for me to obtain copies of the court case? If so, from > where? And how? > > My second question is: > How would I find any newspaper articles on this case (assuming that they > do exist)? > > Any assistance in helping me answer these questions is greatly > appreciated! > > Jennifer Taylor > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records are at > http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes > These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for accessing them at a low cost. > >

Greetings All. My apologies in advance for the length of this posting. I copy below, for your information, my verbal presentation of 19 September to the Senate Committee that is reviewing Senator Milne's Bill S-12. There was more to it, not included in this post, in responding to questions. I am working on adding the entire proceedings to the Post 1901 Census Project website, located at the URL following my signature. I will post to the lists when that has been completed. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Gordon Watts: Honourable senators, I am one of the common people, and as such I am sure you will forgive me for being a little nervous here today. It is my pleasure to come before you in support of Bill S-12, an Act to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act. The first decade of the 20th century saw the greatest influx of immigrants in the history of Canada. From 1900 to 1910, 1,819,930 immigrants from 49 different ethnic origins came to Canada. From 1911 to 1920 a further 1,573,432 came. Another 498,752 came between 1921 to 1925. Without access to historical census records, descendents of many of these immigrants will never know where their ancestors originated. It has been estimated that 7.5 million people in Canada, to one degree or another, have an interest in genealogy and family history. I speak on behalf of those people. Let me make it clear at the outset, genealogists and historians do not seek to obtain something new. What we seek is something 'old'. 'Old' both in respect of the information involved and in the fact that it is something that we have had in the past. We seek something that has been taken away from us because of misinterpreted legislation, and the fact that a few paranoid government bureaucrats feel that someone, at some time, might decide to look at records that may contain information about their ancestors. Unfortunately, those bureaucrats have control over the records we seek. 235 years of census records, all that have survived, from the first census of New France conducted in 1666 by Jean Talon, up to and including the 1901 census of Canada reside in and are under control of the national Archives. As such, they are available to any person or body for purposes of research. Copies of these records are available for purchase by libraries, genealogical and historical societies, and individuals. We suggest that access to 235 years of records constitutes a substantial precedent. We see no reason that access to subsequent censuses should now be withheld. Obviously, Statistics Canada has a different view. They claim that as far back as 1905, the people of Canada were given promises and guarantees of confidentiality that a census would last forever. They have been unable to substantiate these claims. Access to Information Requests for documented evidence of the existence of such promises and guarantees were submitted. Statistics Canada has been unable to produce any such evidence. Under our system of democracy, change in legislation takes place because of representations made to the government by the people. This is done through representatives elected by the people. It is the reason we are here today. During the 36th Parliament of Canada, representation made by the people resulted in the appointment of the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. An educated guess regarding the number of signatures on letters, e-mails, submissions to the expert panel, and petitions seeking to regain public access to historical census records would be in excess of 16,000. During the current Parliament, in excess of 22,000 signatures have been collected on petitions alone to the House of Commons and to the Senate. These figures are added to daily. There has been no corresponding representation to the government by people opposing access. Of the reported 95 submissions sent to the expert panel, only two opposed access to these records. One simply objected to the concept of breaking the promise he believed had been made. The other was a submission by the National Statistics Council, complete with a list of council members. Prominently displayed below the name of the chairperson of the council is the name of ex-officio member Dr.Ivan P. Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada. It is a foregone conclusion that any organization associated with Dr.Fellegi would oppose access. Dr. Fellegi and StatsCan would have you believe that knowledge and information provided in a census released 92 years in the future would cause respondents to be reluctant to answer questions or to answer them truthfully. by Environics Research Group that were conducted by StatsCan on behalf of the expert panel did not bear this out. Responses to the question in these surveys remained positive, even after having it unduly stressed that promises of never-ending confidentiality had been made. Reading these surveys, it is obvious that StatsCan manipulated the questions and information provided in a blatant effort to obtain a negative response. It did not work. Bill S-12 has been very well thought out. It will satisfy the concerns of those that seek public access to historic census. It should also satisfy those people who have concerns regarding confidentiality of personal information given in response to census. The delay of 92 years before release to the public provides a reasonable balance between privacy concerns and the need of genealogists and historians for information that no source other than census can provide. This delay is consistent with the provisions of regulation 6(d) of the Privacy Act of Canada. The position of total closure of these records as espoused by Statistics Canada and the Privacy Commissioner provides no balance whatsoever. The people of Canada have spoken. They wish to regain the public access to post-1901 census records on the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 have been, and continue to be, accessible. There should be no discrimination of records up to and including 1901 and those that follow. We call upon the committee to support Bill S-12 without modification. We further call upon the government to accept Bill S-12 as a government bill. That concludes what I had intended as my original verbal submission. I have a couple of comments that I would like to make. I found very interesting the reference by Mr. Sheridan to town hall meetings, which are something that is totally new. On December15, 2000, Industry Minister Tobin announced that further broad-based discussions with all Canadians would take place in conjunction with the ongoing reviews of the Privacy Act and the Access to Information Act. Mr. Gaffield and I were told face-to-face, on March 26, by members of the Access to Information Act Review Task Force, not to expect much to be said [about Census] in their final report, because it was not part of their mandate. They were never told that a review of Census should be something they should consider or make recommendations regarding. I have tried numerous times to receive clarification from both Minister Tobin and Justice Minister McLellan, on just what, when, where and by whom these discussions would take place. We have not received a response from either of them, and we have had no acknowledgement of our correspondence with them. We have put in Access to Information requests to both ministers for this information. Statistics Canada has stated that they needed a further delay of 30 to 60 days in order to comply with my request. The day before coming out here, I received a letter from the Minister of Justice's ATI officer stating that they needed a further 130 days. In my view, this is just another example of their great reluctance to have anything to do with our concerns regarding this census issue.

Hi Jennifer All Court cases are documented and, after Judgment are public records. You are not telling us where you are...If you are in a major city in Canada it is possible that your local Courts library would have this information. Some times Court files are "sealed" then you would have to apply to the Courts for information...(usually with the help of a lawyer). If you are looking for a case 1996 and after you may find it at http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/ , Otherwise you can have the file ordered out of storage. Contact the Supreme Court of BC for further information. regards Viv in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: "JenniferTaylor" <taylormmm@home.com> To: <CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Seeking research help! > Hi all - > > I recently found out some information about my paternal Grandfather concerning his dismissal with the Vancouver Police Department. Apparently there was a court case in the Supreme Court. And I'm assuming news coverage on the case in the Vancouver newspapers. > > My first question is: > Is there any way for me to obtain copies of the court case? If so, from where? And how? > > My second question is: > How would I find any newspaper articles on this case (assuming that they do exist)? > > Any assistance in helping me answer these questions is greatly appreciated! > > Jennifer Taylor > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/ > >

Hello Jennifer http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/search/queryhit.htm Judgments and Appeals back to 1996; however, the references quoted in decisions is usually linked. Other search possibilities online http://www.google.com with the keywords (start with minimal information) Most, rather any, newspaper archives would be available at BC Archives: http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/general/textual.htm As we continue to research we often find out items that were not generally spoken of in our families. Regards; Dennice researching: Brûlè, Poirier, McFadden, Stephens, Michelsen, French, Brooks, Brown, Goudie, Vautrin pioneer families of British Columbia and their 'country wives' http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~goudied/index.html > Hi all - > > I recently found out some information about my paternal Grandfather concerning his dismissal with the Vancouver Police Department. Apparently there was a court case in the Supreme Court. And I'm assuming news coverage on the case in the Vancouver newspapers. > > My first question is: > Is there any way for me to obtain copies of the court case? If so, from where? And how? > > My second question is: > How would I find any newspaper articles on this case (assuming that they do exist)? > > Any assistance in helping me answer these questions is greatly appreciated! > > Jennifer Taylor

Hi all - I recently found out some information about my paternal Grandfather concerning his dismissal with the Vancouver Police Department. Apparently there was a court case in the Supreme Court. And I'm assuming news coverage on the case in the Vancouver newspapers. My first question is: Is there any way for me to obtain copies of the court case? If so, from where? And how? My second question is: How would I find any newspaper articles on this case (assuming that they do exist)? Any assistance in helping me answer these questions is greatly appreciated! Jennifer Taylor

Am also interested in Small Fiche Reader that would sit on my computer desk. But heard they no longer sell surname fiche pages. But maybe some one has them to sell. Thank you. Viola.

----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Wright <cricket56@home.com Hello Listers! I'm looking for a used fiche reader. It must be in good working condition Carol Coquitlam, B.C. Hi Carol, Have you tried the Vancouver Island Regional Library? The rural areas used to have old (rather large) microfiche readers for member use. Now that we order books on-line they are no longer in use & may be stored somewhere. Regards, Wendy Queen Charlotte Islands B.C.

Hello Listers! I'm looking for a used fiche reader. It must be in good working condition and reasonably priced. I woulld prefer a smallish sized one as it will be on my desk top beside my computer. I'm going to be helping to transcribe a census. Does anyone in the Vancouver area know where I can find one? Thanks, Carol Coquitlam, B.C.

Forwarding from Rootsweb today. I don't hav ethis bible. Contact Rose Deal below at her address. Ley X-Message: #11 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:27:29 -0400 From: "Rose Deal" <fpbdeal@peoplepc.com> Subject: Old bible ,Kennedy and McLaren I found an old Bible at a flea mkt. on Saturday. There are several Kennedy and McLaren names. It seems to have a lot from Canada but I purchased it in Florida. Anyone interested? I would like to return it to the family. Rose

Seeking information please on Thomas George Tuxford Born 1893 U.K Died 13 November 1974 Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Any information please forward to Bob Tuxford Rtuxford@aol.com

Penticton Western, September 08, 2001 HOLWEG, Jeannie (nee FERGUSON) SILVERTHORNE, Albert Edward (Peter Sr.) PILBEAM, Evelyn May HOLZAPFE, Johann (John) MCCAGUE, Evelyn Mae Sept. 15, 2001 In Loving Memory, COLLEGRO, Lucia HAYNES, Floyd NEWTON, Fred KUSEL, Jessie LEHNER, Joseph COUTTS, Eileen G. STORDALSVOLL, Leif Albertson KEREMEOS REVIEW, Sept. 20, 2001 KUSEL, Jessie BARTLEMAN, James Roy Shannah twiss_griggs@uniserve.com

Greetings All. Well, the main reason for my being in Ottawa has come and gone. I have just returned to my hotel room after the conclusion of the Senate Committee hearings on Senator Milne's Bill S-12. It was an interesting experience to say the least. To begin with, the hearings started two hours later than intended. The House and Senate were sitting in emergency debates regarding the events of the last week in the US and Committees are not allowed to sit while the Senate is sitting. As a result, the Senate Hearings did not start until after 5:30 PM. Senator Milne gave a very good speech in support of her Bill. I will not try to summarize her speech her as I expect to receive a transcript of the hearings and will post that on the Post 1901 Census Project website. I will also include part of the hearings in my Global Genealogy column. I was pleased that she quoted part of the Submission to the Expert Panel by Donald Nisbet (deceased). Don was a very dedicated and thorough researcher, and contributed much to our campaign before his death. Senator Milne spoke about British Home Children being an example of one group having a particular need for access to Historic Census Records. Senator Milne was followed by a panel consisting of Ian Wilson -- National Archivist, Michael Sheridan -- Assistant Chief Statistician, and George Radwanski -- Privacy Commissioner. Mr. Wilson presented a historical aspect of the Census situation and, as expected, supported the Bill. Michael Sheridan and George Radwanski, also as expected, spoke against the Bill. Both stressed in their arguments the so called promise that they are unable to provide any documented evidence of. It is almost as if they are afraid their world would fall apart if they were forced to admit that the 'promise' does not exist. One surprise was that George Radwanski admitted to being less opposed to access to census records than was his predecessor Bruce Phillips. Michael Sheridan also presented a surprise by stating that there were to be a number of 'town-hall' meeings across the country to find out how people feel about the release of census records. In response to a question by one of the Senate Committee he stated that this decision had been made by Brian Tobin a month ago. I find this surprising in light of the fact that, as you all know, we have been trying to get a response from Tobin for some time to clarify where, when, by whom his announced broad-based discussions with all Canadians were to be held, and when the results of those discussions are to be announced. Mr. Sheridan indicated that these 'town-hall' meetings would be widely advertised so I would urge all to watch their newspapers for these announcements, and make sure they get out to support the positions of access. My concern regarding these meetings is that, like the Environics Research surveys conducted by Statistics Canada for the Expert Panel, the responses can be predicted and guided by the information provided before asking the questions. For example, in the surveys conducted for the Expert Panel, Statistics Canada did not get the negative responses they wanted in the first survey, so they conducted a second survey. In that second survey, after the second question respondents were told there was promise of never ending confidentiality. The remaining five questions stressed that promise and sought negative responses. They did not succeed. While the answers were less positive than those from the first survey, they were, nevertheless, still positive. Back to the hearings. Following a few questions directed to the first panel, it was time for Chad Gaffield, one of the members of the Expert Panel, and myself to do our bit. Professor Gaffield was in my view, the strongest speaker of all of us. He knew his subject and did not read his presentation as did most of the rest of us, but spoke from some scribbled notes. He did not write them on an envelope as did a famour orator (and President of the US) who sported a beard and stove-pipe hat, but he did very well. For myself, I did, for the most part, read my verbal presentation, although I did respond off the cuff to a few comments that had been made by Michael Sheridan and George Radwanski. I am told that my voice did not shake but I am lucky that no one else was sitting in my chair. They would have felt it shaking. <]:-) On the lighter side, the Chairman, Senator Kirby referred to me twice as Professor Watts, and another Senator referred to me as Dr. Watts (I am neither). In addition, a cousin of my mother, and his wife were among the spectators that attended the hearings. I had never met them before tonight but I am looking forward to having dinner and some more time with them tomorrow. I am expecting also to meet for the first time, and stay a couple of nights with other relatives that I have not met before. They live not far from where my grandmother was born in Flower Station, Lanark County, Ontario. Genealogy is great!! While it was thought that clause by clause consideration of Bill S-12 (and disposal by the Committee) would take place tonight (although in camera) because of the late start and the late hour following the hearings it was decided to proceed with that at another time. I am not sure if such a time was set yet, or just some time in the future. It was great to see and speak with Senator Milne, Chad Gaffield and Ian Wilson again. I have an appointment with MP Murray Calder tomorrow afternoon to present him my latest batch of petitions containing 2565 signatures. No sooner had I finished collating and preparing these petitions to bring with me, than I received three more in the mail. They will make a good start for the next batch -- keep them coming. That's it for tonight. Will get this sent and then I am going across the street to a pub and have a beer, or maybe two. I am still too wound up to consider going to bed. Happy Hunting. Gordon

Hello, Listers! I have a book called: "North River--The Story of B.C.'s North Thompson Valley Y Yellowhead Highway 5", by DUNFORD, Muriel Poulton. I will do lookups for anyone. Please, just put in the subject line: TWISS--NORTH RIVER and I will know that it is not a virus, if, you do it that way! Thank you. Shannah

Am having surgery tomorrow morning. Be back asap. Until then, I want to thank this list for all the help they have been to me. Pat Gunson Ontario

Good luck, Pat! "See" you when you come back. Take care, Pam (on behalf of the list) Gunson&Jones wrote: > > Am having surgery tomorrow morning. Be back asap. > Until then, I want to thank this list for all the help they have been to me. > Pat Gunson > Ontario > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > Every two months or so, please repost your interests, > telling us what you know and where you've looked > and what you still need to find out. -- Pam Fairweather Thomson in BC, Canada Researching Fairweather & Todrick mailto:pamthom@intergate.ca

I wanted to send out an offering to do look-ups for anyone seeking genealogy information in BC's South Okanagan, especially the Penticton area. Please send email directly to me at taylormmm@home.com . Jennifer Taylor

Greetings All. I have just finished tabulating the latest batch of Census petitions for the House of Commons. The total I will be presenting to MP Murray Calder during the coming week is an additional 2565 signatures. The provincial totals are as follows: Previous Current Total BC 1191 753 1944 AB 4915 396 5311 SK 536 140 676 MN 149 112 261 ON 1121 648 1769 PQ 304 244 548 NB 337 55 392 NS 384 136 400 PE 60 39 99 NF 166 42 208 YT 7 00 14 NT 00 00 00 NUN 00 00 00 ========================= Totals 9170 2565 11735 Additionally, I have 393 signatures for the Senate and 4 non-resident signatures I will be sending to Muriel. With the totals of 10,782 signatures for the Senate that Muriel posted recently, the total number of signatures collected since the Federal election is now 23,004. Signatures gathered during the last administration on petitions, letters, email, and submissions to the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records are estimated to be in excess of 16,000. We have not gathered anywhere near the numbers of signatures on petitions protesting the gun laws brought in during the last parliament, but our numbers are growing. Petitions are still needed, as are letters and email to MPs, Senators and Ministers Tobin and Copps. We have not succeeded in our goal yet, and we must not become complacent, thinking that the battle is over and done with. It will not be so until we have regained the public access to Post 1901 Census Records on the same basis as we have for Census Records up to and including 1901. A word of caution regarding the petitions. A relatively small number of signatures that have been sent in will likely be disqualified by the government scrutineers. The reasons for this range from having signatures on a piece of foolscap that does not have the 'prayer' of the petition at the top; changes made to the wording of the petition - particularly to the 'prayer'; extra sections (not having the 'prayer' on it) taped or stapled to petition form; and not using the proper petitions, i.e. non-residents using the resident forms, and vice-versa. The government has specific rules regarding petitions and disregarding them causes signatures or whole petitions to be voided. As indicated this affects a relatively small number of signatures that may be lost, but we do not wish to lose any. We have received a number of petitions containing only a single signature. While we are grateful for all signatures, even singles, we would encourage everyone to gather at least a few extras before sending them in. For those who have been concerned that I would be walking the streets of Ottawa without a hotel room on Tuesday, I received confirmation today that I now have a room for Tuesday in addition to the previous booking for Wednesday to Saturday. So no walking the streets for me, except that necessary to attend the Senate Hearing meetings, deliver the petitions to MP Murray Calder, and visit Senator Milne. I am looking forward the the Senate Hearings on Bill S-12. Like many things since I became interested in regaining public access to Census records, it will be a new experience for me. I hope that I can live up to expectations. I look forward to seeing National Archivist Ian Wilson and fellow panelist Chad Gaffield, one of the Expert Panel appointed by John Manley, both of whom I met briefly on my trip to Ottawa in March. Having the Senate Committee pass, and hopefully recommend acceptance of Bill S-12 is just one more step in the process. If they do so it will still have to pass third reading in the Senate. Having passed the Senate it must then receive first and second reading in the House of Commons, pass a review by a House Committee with their recommendations to accept, and finally pass third reading in the House of Commons. Having passed in both Houses it will receive Royal Assent and become law, giving us the access to Historic Census Records that we seek -- assuming that somewhere in the process described amendments have not been made that would nulify the intent of the Bill. Having the government accept Bill S-12 as a government Bill would likely assure it's passing. I will report on the proceedings of the Senate Committee hearings later in the week. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

To all:- Many may have missed me -- but I have been away, getting the computer in shape for lots of work ahead of all of us. Although ALBERTA leads in collection of census petition signatures, I have put together the following list -- many collected by Alberta -- but other provinces. The numbers represent the total signatures given to Senator Lorna Milne to date -- including the Non-Resident ones. Senator Milne needs signatures NOW --- download the updated petition form(s) -- remembering the same person in Canada may sign both Senate and House of Commons -- whether English or French. If you have a colour printer, download the "knock 'em in the eye" poster Gordon has put on the site. Please do not gripe about adding Adobe Acrobat -- it is a small program, and even government documents are now in FDP format. I am just starting at the West Coast -- not in order of numbers:- BRITISH COLUMBIA*******1257 ALBERTA*****************4695 SASKATCHEWAN********* 732 MANITOBA*************** 155 ONTARIO*****************1403 QUEBEC****************** 462 NEW BRUNSWICK********* 543 NOVA SCOTIA************ 321 PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND** 64 NEWFOUNDLAND********* 171 NUNAVUT/NWT/YUKON*** 0 *********TOTAL CANADIAN********* 9803 NON-CANADIAN********************1069 Total to Senator Milne for Senate = 10, 872 Next memo will have this past week's totals -- a Non-Resident one from Geneva, Switzerland!!! William Allen of Nova Scotia is sending both English and French, as he lives in the Tusket and Yarmouth area. Keep the mail box filled -- we all need to continue our family research. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 Phone: 905/451-3542 Cell: 905/867-9799 Download: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm Learn more: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ Join the Census Campaign list -- use only one word subscribe CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com

I am looking for information on Clarence Gailord Rice. Born Oct. 31, 1881 in Livermore Iowa. died at Cowichan Station, BC on May 11, 1954. I have information that he married Frances Mazy. She was his second wife. I am looking for information on Frances and any family they may have had. Blair Rice