Hi Chris Registration of B,D,M did not start [in BC] until 1872. Church records of baptisms and marriages are the best bet for 1859, the LDS should be able to help you find copies Here is the entry for the marriage of your John Reid and Mary Sanders in the index at the BC Archives. http://www2.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2vsd Note: that it has not been filmed, I suggest you email the archives and ask if/how a copy might be obtained Groom Name: JOHN REID Bride Name: MARY SANDERS Event Date: 1895 2 20 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event Place: SIDNEY Reg. Number: 1895-09-331417 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: NOT FILMED GSU Microfilm Number: There are 14 records for Mary Reid and 42 for John Reid in the Death registration index at http://www2.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2vsd This one looks like a possible for your Mary Name: MARY REID Event Date: 1965 8 3 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 94 Gender: Female Event Place: LANGFORD Reg. Number: 1965-09-009702 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13273 GSU Microfilm Number: 2033797 Take at look at them, see which ones fit then go for the film. They contain images of the actual registrations which usually contain more info on date and place of birth, parents names and place of birth etc. Regards David On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:00:19 -0700, Chris Barttels wrote: >Seeking any info on James or John REID/REIDE b. 1830(?) who m. Jeanny ______ sometime before 1858 probably in BC. They resided in Nanaimo, and he may have been employed by the the Hudson's Bay Company. > >They had two children that I know of: > >John Reid b. 1858 m. 1895 in Sidney, Marie Saunders >Eliza Reid b. 1859 in Nanaimo, m. 1877 in Victoria, Paul Yung Franck b. 1849 See Buckow, Pomerania, Prussia > >Any info helpful. > > >Christopher Barttels >Dayton, WA > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >Every two months or so, please repost your interests, >telling us what you know and where you've looked >and what you still need to find out. > >

At 07:02 PM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: Seeking any info on James or John REID/REIDE b. 1830(?) who m. Jeanny ______ sometime before 1858 probably in BC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- [No Registrations prior to 1872 - Perhaps there are records held at the HBC archive in Manitoba] http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- They resided in Nanaimo, and he may have been employed by the the Hudson's Bay Company. They had two children that I know of: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- John Reid b. 1858 m. 1895 in Sidney, Marie Saunders MARRIAGE: 2 Groom Name: JOHN REID Bride Name: MARY SANDERS Event Date: 1895 2 20 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event Place: SIDNEY Reg. Number: 1895-09-331417 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: NOT FILMED GSU Microfilm Number: DEATH REG: ***** An Assumption: age is aprox. correct. 33 Name: JOHN REID Event Date: 1943 2 2 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 86 Gender: Male Event Place: SIDNEY Reg. Number: 1943-09-620567 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13178 GSU Microfilm Number: 1953638 ******** There are many listings for Mary REID. A search of the registration will show if John Reid is your John - and whether he was married or a widower at the time of his death. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Eliza Reid b. 1859 in Nanaimo, m. 1877 in Victoria, Paul Yung Franck b. 1849 See Buckow, Pomerania, Prussia 1 Groom Name: PAUL YUNG FRANCK Bride Name: LYZA READE Event Date: 1877 3 8 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event Place: VICTORIA Reg. Number: 1877-09-001120 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B11367 GSU Microfilm Number: 1983524 DEATHS: 1 Name: ELIZA FRANCK Event Date: 1917 12 18 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 59 Gender: Female Event Place: VICTORIA Reg. Number: 1917-09-035024 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13083 GSU Microfilm Number: 1927293 1 Name: PAUL FRANCK Event Date: 1937 1 1 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 87 Gender: Male Event Place: VICTORIA Reg. Number: 1937-09-523096 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13158 GSU Microfilm Number: 1953022 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ BIRTHS: There are 4 FRANCK births listed for North Saanich ( 1890 - 1892 -1895 -1896)- 2 FRANCK births listed for New Westminster BC (1884 &1885) Do you know of any children born to Eliza and Paul. A search in the Victoria Papers may show obituaries of Eliza in 1917 and Paul in 1937 - with names of any children. If you feel that the above are the family you are researching - Either I or other list members can take a look at the registrations for you - copy the registrations if you wish. The newspapers can be searched for the obituaries. Hope the above will be of some help. Cheers, Stella >Any info helpful. > > >Christopher Barttels >Dayton, WA > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records >are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes >These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for >accessing them at a low cost.

Seeking any info on James or John REID/REIDE b. 1830(?) who m. Jeanny ______ sometime before 1858 probably in BC. They resided in Nanaimo, and he may have been employed by the the Hudson's Bay Company. They had two children that I know of: John Reid b. 1858 m. 1895 in Sidney, Marie Saunders Eliza Reid b. 1859 in Nanaimo, m. 1877 in Victoria, Paul Yung Franck b. 1849 See Buckow, Pomerania, Prussia Any info helpful. Christopher Barttels Dayton, WA

Seeking any info on James or John REID/REIDE b. 1830(?) who m. Jeanny ______ sometime before 1858 probably in BC. They resided in Nanaimo, and he may have been employed by the the Hudson's Bay Company. They had two children that I know of: John Reid b. 1858 m. 1895 in Sidney, Marie Saunders Eliza Reid b. 1859 in Nanaimo, m. 1877 in Victoria, Paul Yung Franck b. 1849 See Buckow, Pomerania, Prussia Any info helpful. Christopher Barttels Dayton, WA

Greetings All. Since my return frrom Ottawa I have made more than 500 updates to files for MPs and Senators correspondence logs on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. As of this morning all files sent have been loaded to the server and new totals are shown online. Senators show FOR -- 18 AGAINST -- 2 NON-COMMITTAL -- 12 NO RESPONSE -- 64 MPs show FOR -- 131 AGAINST -- 9 NON-COMMITTAL -- 67 NO RESPONSE -- 94 Ontario and Quebec are still showing a lot of blue question marks which indicate we have received no letters of response from those MPs and Senators. We would appreciate having any responses received from them so that we can add them to their correspondence logs and update the totals. Letters and email to our representatives in Ottawa, and signatures on petitions are still needed to show them that we have not forgotten our need to regain public access to Historic Census Records. We must keep the pressure on them until we have succeeded in our goal. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

To all who wish to support Senator Lorna Milne:- Support of Senator Lorna Milne and her Bill S-12 could lead to release of Post-1901 Canadian census records. The records are safe at National Archives -- but you and I are prevented from viewing OUR own history. The last Scoreboards posted by Gordon Watts are from October 1, 2001 -- to date no GOLD TICK AWARDS have been posted by Gordon, whether Senate or House of Commons. Check http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census Scoreboards for both Senate and House of Commons are there. Re the SENATE, the Oct. 1/01 numbers read:- FOR = 15/ AGAINST = 2/ NON-COMMITTAL = 10/ and NO RESPONSE = 69 as follows:- Quebec = 21/ Ontario = 15/ New Brunswick = 6/ Nova Scotia = 6/ Newfoundland = 4/ Alberta = 4/ Saskatchewan - 4/ Prince Edward Island = 2/ NWT, Yukon, Nunavut = 3 PLEASE -- Once the GOLD TICK AWARD list is published, do not write to ask these Senators for their support -- it could work against what Senator Milne is doing for us. Use your WORD or whatever program, type your letter, change the name(s) of each Senator as you finish printing each letter -- address will be the same except for the name(s) -- POSTAGE IS FREE. Cost:- A bit of time, about 100 sheets of paper and 100 envelopes. Hard-copy mail is answered more quickly than e-mail. Again, PLEASE check lists of all present supporters. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Senscore1.htm

To all:- The often-mentioned Privacy Laws re the census records do not exist, except for those by the enumerators -- not one person has been able to find it. Check http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm Click on British Columbia -- read some of the non-answers since March 1999 -- these from the ones who were elected. WHEN one person finds any privacy laws re census records, other than the oath taken by enumerators, WE want to know it, WORD BY WORD. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Wanda Story wrote: > Hi Pat, > When you are researching recent records that usually means you must research > in public records. Government records are governed by privacy laws that > vary between governments and government levels. Canadian Federal records > are protected for 92 years but provincial records are quite different, only > 25 years in case of BC death records). > > Public records include newspapers, (especially look for obituaries), > telephone books and directories (you can follow the addresses that people > lived at, and even their occupations if you use the "snoop books"), land > ownership (if you know the address you can get information like that > available to real estate agents about who owns properties and who they sold > to etc.), Cemetery and funeral home records are available, church records > are available at the discretion of the ministers, school and transcript > records are often available (check school year books). > > You just have to think differently. Everyday we fill out forms for various > reasons, if it is not a government form then the privacy laws are different, > check them out! > Wanda Story > > -----Original Message----- > From: Muriel M. Davidson [mailto:davidson3542@home.com] > Sent: 10-Oct-01 08:47 PM > To: CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CAN-BC] Dumb question -- NOT SO DUMB BUT TIMELY. > > Will someone tell me what resources are available for searching families > beyond the 1901 census? How does one come farther forward in time > without later census records? > I am assuming that church and death records are your only help. > Something I may have missed? > I know at the present time you are having a battle with your legislature > there to get the later census records open but it really makes it hard > to get beyond the 1901 time period. > > Pat in Oregon <Wahlhood@aol.com> > ===================================

http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/terms.htm http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/finalrep.htm

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-21/text.html > To all:- > The often-mentioned Privacy Laws re the census records do not exist, > except for those by the enumerators -- not one person has been able > to find it.

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Hi Pat, When you are researching recent records that usually means you must research in public records. Government records are governed by privacy laws that vary between governments and government levels. Canadian Federal records are protected for 92 years but provincial records are quite different, only 25 years in case of BC death records). Public records include newspapers, (especially look for obituaries), telephone books and directories (you can follow the addresses that people lived at, and even their occupations if you use the "snoop books"), land ownership (if you know the address you can get information like that available to real estate agents about who owns properties and who they sold to etc.), Cemetery and funeral home records are available, church records are available at the discretion of the ministers, school and transcript records are often available (check school year books). You just have to think differently. Everyday we fill out forms for various reasons, if it is not a government form then the privacy laws are different, check them out! Wanda Story -----Original Message----- From: Muriel M. Davidson [mailto:davidson3542@home.com] Sent: 10-Oct-01 08:47 PM To: CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAN-BC] Dumb question -- NOT SO DUMB BUT TIMELY. Will someone tell me what resources are available for searching families beyond the 1901 census? How does one come farther forward in time without later census records? I am assuming that church and death records are your only help. Something I may have missed? I know at the present time you are having a battle with your legislature there to get the later census records open but it really makes it hard to get beyond the 1901 time period. Pat in Oregon <Wahlhood@aol.com> ===================================

Hello, Did you put - request in the address when you tried to subscribe? CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L-request@rootsweb.com Then subscribe as the only message in the body. To send messages after you are subscribed you take out the work 'request'. Carol Lylyk Calgary, Ab ROBERTAK121662@aol.com wrote: > I SUBSCRIBED TO THIS LIST TO SEE IF IT WOULD GO THROUGH FOR ME, IT DID. MY > FRIEND HERE IS HAVING A PROBLEM SUBSCRIBING, COULD YOU PLEASE HELP HER OUT? > cfreethy@home.com (Corinne Freethy) > > Could you find out why I can't sign up or subscribe to them > please I'm wondering why I'm having a hard time subscribing to the two > lists I have posted below. > > Subscribe to CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L > Subscribe to CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D (digest) > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/

Good Morning, The following is the Rootsweb Mail List Site - for Can-British Columbia. There is a clickable area that will allow you to subscribe to this list - for both List and Digest Mode. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA.html Cheers, Stella At 09:01 AM 10/11/01 -0400, ROBERTAK121662@aol.com wrote: >I SUBSCRIBED TO THIS LIST TO SEE IF IT WOULD GO THROUGH FOR ME, IT DID. MY >FRIEND HERE IS HAVING A PROBLEM SUBSCRIBING, COULD YOU PLEASE HELP HER OUT? >cfreethy@home.com (Corinne Freethy) > >Could you find out why I can't sign up or subscribe to them >please I'm wondering why I'm having a hard time subscribing to the two >lists I have posted below. > >Subscribe to CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L >Subscribe to CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D (digest) > > > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/ >

Will someone tell me what resources are available for searching families beyond the 1901 census? How does one come farther forward in time without later census records? I am assuming that church and death records are your only help. Something I may have missed? I know at the present time you are having a battle with your legislature there to get the later census records open but it really makes it hard to get beyond the 1901 time period. Pat in Oregon <Wahlhood@aol.com> =================================== Hello Pat:- This not a Dumb Question -- but a very good one! We do need the Post-1901 Canadian Census records opened -- for all of us to peruse. Not all church records are available for viewing -- e.g. Baptist ones are "sealed" with other denominations also making their records only available to their church members. There are search offices, even on census records, but all these cost about $45 for each individual search. I have given the address to many -- but it costs $$$, as do birth and death certificates. Rather than your question being DUMB, it SHOULD get genealogical societies all working together, as Alberta did. Senator Lorna Milne has Bill S-12 and Murray Calder has C-312, but WE have to PROVE to the ones we elected or who were appointed that WE honestly want to have the records released. Some have not answered since March 1999 -- but I presume he/she drew the increased pay since then -- some Senators do not seem to be able to afford e-mail. Check http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census There are Scoreboards for both Members of Parliament and Senate, Petition sites and much, much more. We need SIGNATURES!!! Gather SIGNATURES now!!! My dream is receiving petitions from each Ontario Genealogical Society, of which Lorna and Murray are members. [One so far direct -- several via Alberta] Thanks for the Not-So-Dumb Question, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Hi Pat in Ontario: did you get anywhere with Ed Dill in Scotch Creek? If not I will try and get into the Salmon Arm Library in the coming week, we have been so busy here, as you know it is canning season and we are just about done. I have not developed the film we took of the Dill's stone in the Enderby Cemetery, we are hoping they will turn out for you, still got 4 photo's to take. Take care. Let me know if you got Ed's orbit. Ken in Enderby

I had an ancestor who was born in Scotland, got married and then moved to Canada so the story goes. Her surname was TRUELAND, not sure of her first name although it could have been Isabel. We know that she married someone with the surname TONGUE. In the little research I have done I think I may have found a link. I have found through the help of other people an Isabel Trueland marrying an Austin Joseph Tongue, not sure when but they had a son born in Ontario Canada in 1928. I think they then moved to British Columbia. I know that British Columbia is a large area but at the moment I'm grasping at straws. Does anyone have these people in there family tree? If you do I would really appreciate any help you could give me in my search for my relatives. thank you in advance, Julie, Scotland

Wouldn't it be wonderful if our own 1906 Census for the Three Prairie Provinces - and the 1911 > Census for Canada - were made available to us as well. Even if we had to write for the information. Cheers, Stella At 10:06 PM 10/9/01 -0700, S. Griggs wrote: >Hello, Everyone! > >Knowing you all would be VERY interested in this, I thought I would post it >to you all! > > >Subject: [CLARE] Interest new development for British 1901 census > > >Isn't this great news! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PRO Announces Plan to Put 1901 British Census Online > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Public Record Office has announced that after months of painstaking >work, the 1901 Census returns for England and Wales will be available >online over the Internet. This huge task of digitizing the original >census images and creating an index to 32 million names is the result of >a partnership between the Public Record Office and QinetiQ (formerly the >larger part of the Defense Evaluation and Research Agency) and is a >major > step towards the Public Record Office's vision of putting records >online to reach a wider >audience worldwide. > > From 2 January 2002, visitors to the 1901 Census Web site will be able >to search the index by name, place, address, institution or vessel, free >of charge. Once the desired subject is found, for a small charge >visitors can view a digital image of the original census return and the >transcribed details for an individual or order a copy of either. The >feedback from the successful operation of a pilot project using the 1891 >Census returns has allowed us to develop this technology to make it more >user-friendly. Full details of how the census will work, including the >cost, can be found at http://www.census.pro.gov.uk > > Some of the statistics from the census, taken on 31 March 1901: the >population was 32,527,843. The population breakdown was 52% women to 48% >men, and the density of population was 558 per square mile -- compared >to 152 per square mile in 1801. Of the total population 1.04% were born >in foreign countries, compared to 0.67% in 1881 and 0.8% in 1891. > > Comparable statistics for England and Wales in 1999 show a population >of 52.7 million, and a split of 49% male to 51% female. The population >density was 349 per square kilometer -- around 900 per square mile. >Ethnic minority groups made up 6.4% of the overall UK population >(although changes in definition since 1901 make this measurement a less >accurate comparison). > > Censuses containing personal information on individuals have been taken >every 10 years since 1841, and, because they contain personal >information, are subject to closure for 100 years. The Public Record >Office holds census returns for England, Wales, the Isle of Man and the >Channel Islands. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >-- >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, listowner >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > >==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >Make connections.....list your surnames in the County Clare Roster >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/clare/claresurnames.html > > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >Check the list's archives out at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA.html

Hi Julie, Do you have a Given name for ? TRUELAND - married - TONGUE I just searched the B.C. Provincial Archive - online Vital Stats http://www2.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2vsd - there are two female deaths: Ada [ age 73 in 1946] and Myrtle Tongue.[age 50 in 1950] Male Deaths there are 7 - including the following . Your Austin ? 5 Name: AUSTIN TONGUE Event Date: 1957 3 14 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 65 Gender: Male Event Place: VANCOUVER Reg. Number: 1957-09-003760 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13231 GSU Microfilm Number: 2033147 If you feel that these may be the persons you are searching. I can take a look at the death registrations - and obits . Please let me know if anyone else has made the offer to do these lookups. Cheers, Stella At 06:03 PM 10/10/01 -0400, Kira11897@aol.com wrote: >I had an ancestor who was born in Scotland, got married and then moved to >Canada so the story goes. > >Her surname was TRUELAND, not sure of her first name although it could have >been Isabel. We know that she married someone with the surname TONGUE. > >In the little research I have done I think I may have found a link. I have >found through the help of other people an Isabel Trueland marrying an Austin >Joseph Tongue, not sure when but they had a son born in Ontario Canada in >1928. I think they then moved to British Columbia. I know that British >Columbia is a large area but at the moment I'm grasping at straws. > >Does anyone have these people in there family tree? If you do I would really >appreciate any help you could give me in my search for my relatives. > >thank you in advance, > >Julie, >Scotland > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/ >

For anyone looking for a good source of downloadable forms should go to http://www.familytreemagazine.com/forms/download.html For those using Internet Explorer... If you LEFT-CLICK on the DOWNLOAD button... It will display the page on your screen. If you RIGHT-CLICK on the DOWNLOAD button... Then choose SAVE TARGET AS it will download to your computer.

Hi Gary, A couple of years back I downloaded forms from Ancestry - they were also excellent. They apparently now have a new format: http://www.pbs.org/kbyu/ancestors/charts/ The following - form - appears very useful as well. http://www.pbs.org/kbyu/ancestors/charts/pdf/sourcenotes1.pdf Cheers, Stella At 11:28 AM 10/10/01 -0600, Gary Boivin wrote: >For anyone looking for a good source of downloadable forms should go to >http://www.familytreemagazine.com/forms/download.html > >For those using Internet Explorer... >If you LEFT-CLICK on the DOWNLOAD button... > It will display the page on your screen. >If you RIGHT-CLICK on the DOWNLOAD button... > Then choose SAVE TARGET AS it will download to your computer. > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records >are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes >These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for >accessing them at a low cost. >