Hello. Sent my self page off the net. It was about Chippewa County, Maybe Michigan plus many names. If some one would like the url please email me. Thanx. Am hoping this is legal. No one making money and i do not work for them. Just offering a helping hand like every one has helped me. Thank you. Viola.

Greetings All It is just before 12:00 noon and I have just hung up the telephone from speaking with Heritage Minister Sheila Copps on Bill Good's talk show on CKNW in Vancouver. I was one of only three callers that managed to get on before the end of the program. I asked Ms. Copps why she had not come on board with genealogists and historians seeking to regain public access to Historic Census Records. Her response was that she was very much in favour of public access to Post 1901 Census Records and that she has asked to appear before the Senate Committee reviewing Senator Milne's Bill S-12. She appeared to be aware of the Post 1901 Census Project website as she mentioned that she was shown there as not having given a definite response as to her position re: access. Based on this conversation I will finally be awarding her a gold tick of support on the MPs Scoreboard. I am very pleased to be able to do this. On a side issue, Ms. Copps' first caller was Alliance MP Ted White of North Vancouver. He obviously did not like her response to his question relating to legislation currently being discussed in the House of Commons because he hung up on her. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Viola What makes you so sure your family was in British Columbia, have you checked Oregon,? specifically Astoria and Fort Vancouver and the Pacific Fur Company. At that time the southern boundary was not settled and Oregon was disputed territory, the present boundaries were not established until circa 1846 You must remember that the North West Company and the Hudsons Bay Company were competitors until they merged circa 1821,. There was also John Jacob Astor's "Pacific Fur Company" organized in 1811 which employed a number of former NWC men. The Pacific Fur Company established Fort Astoria at the mouth of the Columbia River in 1811. In his book "Empire of the Bay" about the fur trade the HBC, NWC, etc: Peter C. Newman mentions a Duncan McDougal as being in charge of Fort Astoria, Oregon on when it was under siege by the NWC during the War of 1812. He might be your man. Quote Page 354/ Empire at Risk In the summer of 1812, while Napoleon was preparing to invade Russia, the United States declared war on Great Britain and for the next two years invaded and harassed its territories in North America. Using that conflict as a pretext, in the autumn of 1813 the NWC decided to pursue its Oregon venture and dispatched a hundred men under the command of John George McTavish and John Stuart down the Columbia. They laid siege to Astoria, aided by rumours of war that threatened the continued safety of its occupants, specifically that the Royal Navy's twenty-six-gun sloop HMS Racoon was on her way around Cape Horn assigned to shell the embattled fort. The former Nor Westers occupying the American outpost felt they had been abandoned by their own supply ships and began to talk surrender. (Astor had actually dispatched two ships to Astoria. The Beaver, then trading furs in Alaska, continued on to Canton where, hearing of the declaration of war, she stayed put. Another supply ship, the Lark, was wrecked off Hawaii.) It was hardly one of history s more savage sieges. The Astorians, most of whom were former Nor Westers, were decidedly uncomfortable defending a fortress flying the Stars and Stripes when their home country was at war with the United States. They had not only friends but relatives among the besiegers, so whenever the attackers ran out of food, the defenders would quietly sneak out and offer them a snack. Finally, on October 16, 1813, Duncan McDougall, who was in charge of the fort, had the bright idea that instead of surrendering he would sell Astoria to the friendly invaders. The price was a bargain, with the inventory (worth about $100,000) of otter and beaver pelts going for less than half-price (about $40,000). Part of the deal was that McDougall and most of the senior Astorians would be admitted back into the NWC as partners. HMS Racoon, her Royal Navy colours flying, appeared eight weeks later. William Black, her captain, could hardly believe his bad luck in having sailed eighteen thousand miles to this collection of shacks, which his four-pounders could have flattened before breakfast. Worse still, the purchase of Astoria by the Nor Westers had deprived him of the right to claim the furs as prize money. He was so annoyed he decided to stage the takeover ceremony any-way. End Quote Regards David On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:59:26 -0500, Viola Seward wrote: >Now this will all be If or When or Why or Where. It may help me. >Hopefully!! Have found my Marie Landry may possibly be Chippewa. All my >life i was told we were Chippewa. But have only found Cree on every >paper on my Landry family. Now my Marie Landry was supposedly born ca >1800 in BC. So did tribal families move a lot. You see lake Superior to >BC is a long ways. But also Marie landry had daughter Catherine >McDougall in ca 1818 in BC also. Now im thinking my Duncan McDougall who >worked for the North west Company later known as Hudson Bay Company >would more then likely have met Marie Landry at HBC or in near by >reserve. Would sure like to find which reserves were in BC around HBC. >Although they could travel by canoe or boat then. But was told by Gail >Morin to put Chippewa slash Cree behind her name. >NEXT. >My Duncan McDougall died at Lake Superior. So could Marie Landry have >had family who took care of Duncan there? It is said Duncan died a hard >death. So he must have had to be taken care of. >NEXT. >Catherine must have had some kind of schooling as she and her husband >Raphael Tremblay ran a store at Lac la Biche,AB. So does any one know of >the schools in ca 1825 or so? Catherine and husband Raphael Tremblay >were really quite well know around Lac la Biche,AB. Attended many >weddings, Was god parents to many children etc. >Can any one answer any of these questions? >Thank you. >Viola. > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes >These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for accessing them at a low cost. > >

that's the same site that was previously suggested by David Fancy...I found it rather interesting...ciao, Riccarda It would appear that Cree and Chippewa might sometimes be one and the same, Here is a site with some information http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~databank/hp.html#CC CHIPPEWA-CREE TRIBE HERITAGE DATABANK SERVICE 718 T0M 0J0 CANADA Copyright 1996 by: J. Fromhold _________________________________________ Reference has sometimes been made to a Chippewa-Cree Tribe. No such tribe has ever existed as an independent political entity. The term has largely been used by the Rocky Boy Band in Montana, and by Dr. John Ewers in reference to that band. All western Canadian and Cree bands were to various degrees mixed Cree, Metis, Chippewa, Nakoda and sundry other ethnic groups. By and large, they considered themselves as Cree. Various bands were proportionately more Chippewa or Nakoda in composition and tended to identify as such. In all cases they considered themselves as an allied people and operated under one political umbrella broken down into regional sub-tribes of which the regional Head Chief might be from any one of the composite ethnic groups, depending entirely on the size of his following. At Sun Dances and other such gatherings they were a fully integrated tribe. By and large, the people themselves were ethnically highly mixed. The language spoken by any particular group might be largely one or the other, but usually included Cree and another language. The Chippewa, although speaking a Chippewa dialect akin to Cree called their own dialect Cree. With the advent of the reservation system the Government has chosen to classify different bands/reserves as either Cree, Chippewa or Assiniboin. In a number of cases this identity has changed over the years, with bands tending more to identify as Cree. see also CREE BIG BEAR'S BAND O'CHIESE BAND ROCKY BOY BAND SOTO JACKFISH LAKE SOTO SAULTEAUX FIRST NATION (Sask) This homepage is maintained by: HERITAGE DATABANK SERVICE 718 T0M 0J0 CANADA For more information see the homepage Regards David

Hello! Could someone please do some look ups for me? I am looking information on the following people: Name: Hannah Drinkwater Death: Sept. 15, 1928 Reg. Number: 1928-09-405363 BC Archives Microfilm Number: B13134 GSU Microfilm Number: 1952313 Name: Albert Drinkwater Death: Aug. 3, 1972 Reg. Number: 1972-09-012083 BC Archives Microfilm Number: B13319 GSU Microfilm Number: 2050015 Name: Joseph Drinkwater Death: Sept. 12,1922 Reg. Number: 1922-09-298011 BC Archives Microfilm Number: B13120 GSU Microfilm Number: 1927297 Names: Albert Drinkwater Hilda Hughes Marriage: July 10, 1912 Reg. Number: 1912-09-123730 BC Archives Microfilm Number: B11383 GSU Microfilm Number: 1983976 Thank you. Stefanie

To all, During my browsing this morning I stumbled upon the following. Some of you may know of it, others not. An email contact is provided. Seminar 2002 Roots Around the World May 4, 2002 at Rick Hansen Secondary School, Abbotsford, B.C. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/loal/seminar_2002.htm And this link was included: http://www3.telus.net/abbotsfordgengroup/AGG.HTML Ron Davies Surrey, BC Canada

Please change my address from pacarpenter@home.com To pacarpenter@shaw.ca effective immediately. Thank you Penny(Carpenter)

As for Natives in BC... It would depend on where... The Peace Country is east of the mountains... and that is in BC (and Alberta). The prairie doesn't end at the provincial border. The Natives in Kelowna, BC (Westbank) are Cree... Or at least they speak Cree. And that is half way through the mountains. Having been raised with Nipissing cousins the difference between Chippewa and Cree is minuscule. It is comparable to the differences between Chicagoans and Detroiters. My Leduc grandmother used to say that the Chippewa/Ojibway peoples were half-breeds (half Cree and half Sioux). I don't know how much truth there was to that statement --- after all... she was prejudiced... she was Mohawk. In the early 1800's there were no reserves in BC... Except for the few small enclaves of white men. I read somewhere that it took about 2 weeks to walk from St-Boniface to Lac La Biche. I've never tried it <grin>. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Viola Seward" <olla@i29.net> To: <CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Need Answers I have no question on !!! > Now this will all be If or When or Why or Where. It may help me. > Hopefully!! Have found my Marie Landry may possibly be Chippewa. All my > life i was told we were Chippewa. But have only found Cree on every > paper on my Landry family. Now my Marie Landry was supposedly born ca > 1800 in BC. So did tribal families move a lot. You see lake Superior to > BC is a long ways. But also Marie landry had daughter Catherine > McDougall in ca 1818 in BC also. Now im thinking my Duncan McDougall who > worked for the North west Company later known as Hudson Bay Company > would more then likely have met Marie Landry at HBC or in near by > reserve. Would sure like to find which reserves were in BC around HBC. > Although they could travel by canoe or boat then. But was told by Gail > Morin to put Chippewa slash Cree behind her name. > NEXT. > My Duncan McDougall died at Lake Superior. So could Marie Landry have > had family who took care of Duncan there? It is said Duncan died a hard > death. So he must have had to be taken care of. > NEXT. > Catherine must have had some kind of schooling as she and her husband > Raphael Tremblay ran a store at Lac la Biche,AB. So does any one know of > the schools in ca 1825 or so? Catherine and husband Raphael Tremblay > were really quite well know around Lac la Biche,AB. Attended many > weddings, Was god parents to many children etc. > Can any one answer any of these questions? > Thank you. > Viola. ---------snipped to save our database-------------

Now this will all be If or When or Why or Where. It may help me. Hopefully!! Have found my Marie Landry may possibly be Chippewa. All my life i was told we were Chippewa. But have only found Cree on every paper on my Landry family. Now my Marie Landry was supposedly born ca 1800 in BC. So did tribal families move a lot. You see lake Superior to BC is a long ways. But also Marie landry had daughter Catherine McDougall in ca 1818 in BC also. Now im thinking my Duncan McDougall who worked for the North west Company later known as Hudson Bay Company would more then likely have met Marie Landry at HBC or in near by reserve. Would sure like to find which reserves were in BC around HBC. Although they could travel by canoe or boat then. But was told by Gail Morin to put Chippewa slash Cree behind her name. NEXT. My Duncan McDougall died at Lake Superior. So could Marie Landry have had family who took care of Duncan there? It is said Duncan died a hard death. So he must have had to be taken care of. NEXT. Catherine must have had some kind of schooling as she and her husband Raphael Tremblay ran a store at Lac la Biche,AB. So does any one know of the schools in ca 1825 or so? Catherine and husband Raphael Tremblay were really quite well know around Lac la Biche,AB. Attended many weddings, Was god parents to many children etc. Can any one answer any of these questions? Thank you. Viola.

Hi Viola, Sorry - I had a distraction - forgot to give you the site - for the Local Community History Book Volunteer Lookup. http://users.rootsweb.com/~canab/lookatha.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- - FROM THE ALBERTA GENWEB SITE: LOCAL COMMUNITY HISTORY BOOKS: ****** [TREMBLAY, Raphael & Katie; Dreams & Determination; Athabasca ] There are Two Volunteers at the following site: Who will do a lookup in the book DREAMS and DETERMINATION-Athabasca Click on either: TJ - or Carrie. This will bring up their e mail address. Post a very simple request - asking for a lookup - for the TREMBLAY surname. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------

Hi Viola, Take a Look at the Following Site - Perhaps making contact will help with your research; http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~databank/wmap.html HERITAGE DATABANK CONSULTING is the Main researcher and information source on Western Canadian Native/Fur Trade History and maintains more information on file than any other source. We specialize in Western Canadian Native and Historical information, but maintain files on over 1000 tribes. Our Bulletin Board maintains the most comprehensive on-line files on the history of Indian Tribes. In addition, our files are expanding into broader areas of world history and tribal peoples. Native Tribes Listed: http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~databank/wnt.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- You mention that Catherine and her husband Raphael Tremblay ran a store at Lac LaBiche Alberta. You should consider concentrating at least some of your research in the Lac LaBiche Alberta Area. You know that they operated a store? How did you come by this information. You know that Catherine and her husband Raphael - were well known in the community. [There should be Local Community History books - for LacLabiche -perhaps with at least some family history of the Tremblay family {Catherine} LacLaBiche Local History Society - etc may be helpful. LAC LA BICHE LAC LA BICHE MISSION National Historic Site Box 1622, Lac La Biche, AB, T0A 2C0 11 km S of Lac La Biche Phone: 403-623-3274 Hours: 10:00-6:00 daily. Admission Fee: TBA. Collection Description: The Lac La Biche Mission, an outdoor museum, is a National Historic Site that is being restored. The Mission was established in 1855 on its present location by the Oblate Missionaries. There are three major buildings: a convent (1890), a Rectory and church (1920s), and several out-buildings. A small collection of artifacts reflects four themes in the Mission's history: agriculture, industry, religion and education. Museum Activities: Preservation, restoration and interpretation of the Mission. Two special events annually (Canada Day and a September Harvest Celebration). Other: Visitor Centre houses a gift shop and concession area. Operational archives. Public Library - for LacLaBiche - may be able to help http://www.cd.gov.ab.ca/building_communities/public_library/map_directory/li stings/cityl/cities/laclabiche.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Write to Alberta Family History Society - http://www.afhs.ab.ca/aids/localhistory/localhist_l.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- - FROM THE ALBERTA GENWEB SITE: LOCAL COMMUNITY HISTORY BOOKS: ****** [TREMBLAY, Raphael & Katie; Dreams & Determination; Athabasca ] There are Two Volunteers at the following site: Who will do a lookup in the book DREAMS and DETERMINATION-Athabasca Click on either: TJ - or Carrie. This will bring up their e mail address. Post a very simple request - asking for a lookup - for the TREMBLAY surname. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- I think that even if schooling was available to Marie or Catherine - there would probably not be any records from that timeframe , left . One did not necessarily need to have much schooling - or any schooling at all. to enable them to run a business - or to make a living - many learned by doing - rather than by schooling. There are people who are wonderful business people - without official education. Many people just have natural talents for certain things. My European ancestors - came to Canada without any English language skills, - most were farm people - yet, many became quite successful in the businesses that they owned.without even having attended first grade. My stepfather came from Europe - with no schooling - and always claimed that he could not read or write . But was able to read the newspaper and official documents, was a wizard at numbers - and could debate politics and world events to an astounding degree. He just didn't have official schooling.which embarrassed him. At 03:59 PM 10/25/01 -0500, Viola Seward wrote: >Now this will all be If or When or Why or Where. It may help me. >Hopefully!! Have found my Marie Landry may possibly be Chippewa. All my >life i was told we were Chippewa. But have only found Cree on every >paper on my Landry family. Now my Marie Landry was supposedly born ca >1800 in BC. So did tribal families move a lot. You see lake Superior to >BC is a long ways. But also Marie landry had daughter Catherine >McDougall in ca 1818 in BC also. Now im thinking my Duncan McDougall who >worked for the North west Company later known as Hudson Bay Company >would more then likely have met Marie Landry at HBC or in near by >reserve. Would sure like to find which reserves were in BC around HBC. >Although they could travel by canoe or boat then. But was told by Gail >Morin to put Chippewa slash Cree behind her name. >NEXT. >My Duncan McDougall died at Lake Superior. So could Marie Landry have >had family who took care of Duncan there? It is said Duncan died a hard >death. So he must have had to be taken care of. >NEXT. >Catherine must have had some kind of schooling as she and her husband >Raphael Tremblay ran a store at Lac la Biche,AB. So does any one know of >the schools in ca 1825 or so? Catherine and husband Raphael Tremblay >were really quite well know around Lac la Biche,AB. Attended many >weddings, Was god parents to many children etc. >Can any one answer any of these questions? >Thank you. >Viola. > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records >are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes >These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for >accessing them at a low cost.

Hello, I'm trying to find some information on my Great Grandmother, Flora TELFER. She was born in Sheffield, York, England on October 4, 1871 as Flora Greenfield. She married Joseph Crowder and had at least 2 children, George Albert and Hazel. She later moved to Canada (not sure what happened to her first husband, Joseph) and remarried sometime between 1908 and 1918 to a man named TELFER. She died in Vancouver in 1934. Her husband was still alive but wasn't listed on her death certificate. I'm hoping someone will recognize the names and will be able to help me solve this puzzle. Thanks, Elaine

Hi Dan, I am going to the Library - tomorrow - to pick up a few regs etc - [and return a library book] Ican take a look at this for you. If you wish, I can pick up the registration for you.. Cheers, Stella At 06:05 PM 10/24/01 -0700, Dan Docksteader wrote: >Hi list - I am interested in a marriage registration for Cecelia Alice >Docksteader married John Francis Hartnell in 1925 - Vancouver. I just >need to know who her parents were. I have been meaning to get back down >to BC Archives for a while now but hasn't happened. I will get the >registration when I am in Victoria next. So if anyone has a chance to >take a look I would very much appreciate it. Thanks Dan Docksteader > >Groom Name: JOHN FRANCIS HARTNELL >Bride Name: CECELIA ALICE DOCKSTEADER >Event Date: 1925 4 25 (Yr/Mo/Day) >Event Place: VANCOUVER > >Reg. Number: 1925-09-286219 >B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13749 >GSU Microfilm Number: 2074319 > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >Every two months or so, please repost your interests, >telling us what you know and where you've looked >and what you still need to find out. >

Hi list - I am interested in a marriage registration for Cecelia Alice Docksteader married John Francis Hartnell in 1925 - Vancouver. I just need to know who her parents were. I have been meaning to get back down to BC Archives for a while now but hasn't happened. I will get the registration when I am in Victoria next. So if anyone has a chance to take a look I would very much appreciate it. Thanks Dan Docksteader Groom Name: JOHN FRANCIS HARTNELL Bride Name: CECELIA ALICE DOCKSTEADER Event Date: 1925 4 25 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event Place: VANCOUVER Reg. Number: 1925-09-286219 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13749 GSU Microfilm Number: 2074319

Hello everyone Just to say thankyou for all offers of help and to the people who have hepl me already. I have been told this is a great list and so helpful too. regards, Linda.

Hello everyone I will be changing my email address soon, but not sure when. I'll unsub from the lists and re-sub with my different address when I can. This is just a note to let anyone who I'm in contact with know not to email me at tarynjones15@home.com but at tarynjones85@hotmail.com. Thanks! Taryn Jones Canada

Got my Tremblay family done thru Dennys Papers in Glenbow. Good Luck. Viola.

Dennice, Pam, Stella, Thank you all. With in mins I had three answers and most different from the other. I shouldn't have any trouble now, LOL Respectfully Yours, Rea

Hi Viola It would appear that Cree and Chippewa might sometimes be one and the same, Here is a site with some information http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~databank/hp.html#CC CHIPPEWA-CREE TRIBE HERITAGE DATABANK SERVICE 718 T0M 0J0 CANADA Copyright 1996 by: J. Fromhold _________________________________________ Reference has sometimes been made to a Chippewa-Cree Tribe. No such tribe has ever existed as an independent political entity. The term has largely been used by the Rocky Boy Band in Montana, and by Dr. John Ewers in reference to that band. All western Canadian and Cree bands were to various degrees mixed Cree, Metis, Chippewa, Nakoda and sundry other ethnic groups. By and large, they considered themselves as Cree. Various bands were proportionately more Chippewa or Nakoda in composition and tended to identify as such. In all cases they considered themselves as an allied people and operated under one political umbrella broken down into regional sub-tribes of which the regional Head Chief might be from any one of the composite ethnic groups, depending entirely on the size of his following. At Sun Dances and other such gatherings they were a fully integrated tribe. By and large, the people themselves were ethnically highly mixed. The language spoken by any particular group might be largely one or the other, but usually included Cree and another language. The Chippewa, although speaking a Chippewa dialect akin to Cree called their own dialect Cree. With the advent of the reservation system the Government has chosen to classifly different bands/reserves as either Cree, Chippewa or Assiniboin. In a number of cases this identity has changed over the years, with bands tending more to identify as Cree. see also CREE BIG BEAR'S BAND O'CHIESE BAND ROCKY BOY BAND SOTO JACKFISH LAKE SOTO SAULTEAUX FIRST NATION (Sask) This homepage is maintained by: HERITAGE DATABANK SERVICE 718 T0M 0J0 CANADA For more information see the homepage Regards David On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:15:20 -0500, Viola Seward wrote: >Hello. How far back does the census go? Do you have City Directories? >Have found a Landry family who lived at or near Lake Superior were >Chippewa. Now all my life i heard we were Chippewa. But every paper i >have gotten on my Tremblay and Landry name say Cree. Was also told maybe >Landry changed there nationalities after the Riel incident. Any one know >any thing about this? You see Marie Landry and her daughter Catherine >were both born in BC. 1800-1818. >Thank you. >Viola. > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/ > >

Hello, New to genealogy in Canada, Would someone please let me know, are Canadians records public? Are there index's for births and deaths? When researching records in British Columbia where would someone write to get records? I appreciate any help with this. Respectfully Yours, Rea