To all:- Lots of ZEROs listed -- in fact, too many! Please download from the following http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm Let's make the next tabulation a bit larger!! I know we all desire the 1911 census -- we cannot go to Ottawa and speak -- our signatures have to speak for us. NUMBERS convince politicians!! Muriel ========== SENATE OF CANADA PETITIONS SENATOR LORNA MILNE BRITISH COLUMBIA:- Marcy Pollard, Chilliwack & Surrey 32 ALBERTA ------------------------ 0 SASKATCHEWAN ------------- 0 MANITOBA:- Barbara Hanson, Roblin ----------- 32 ONTARIO:- Beverly Guy, Toronto ---------------4 Isabel Henniger, Peterborough------ 1 Total = 5 QUEBEC:- -------------------------0 NEW BRUNSWICK:- Raymonde Bernest, Balmoral ------20 Mary Dobbelstyne, Fredericton ----30 Total = 50 NOVA SCOTIA :- -----------------0 PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND:- ----0 NEWFOUNDLAND ---------------0 TOTAL CANADIAN PETITIONS = 119 NON-RESIDENT PETITIONS:- William Deckman, Lake Mills, WI --------- 2 Previous Canadian Petitions ============== 3797 Petitions as of December 10, 2004 ========== 119 NEW TOTAL ----------------------3916 Previous Non-Resident Petitions = 647 Total for December 10, 2004 = 2 NEW TOTAL-----------------------649 Tabulation by Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON

Greetings all. My latest column on Post 1901 Census issues is now online and accessible at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazce/gazce109.htm Topics in this issue include reaction to Bill S-18; Latter Day Saints support Bill S-18; Canadian Historical Association supports S-18; John English on secrecy vs. openness; U.S. Surgeon General declares National Family History Day; and British WW I service records going online. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted

John. I posted about this a few days back. Unless you are prepared to submit your own written submissions, affidavits, etc. and provide your own legal counsel at your own expense, the answer is that you do not want to be a party to the application. You do, however, want to return the form stating that you do not intend to be a party to it. There is little point in any of us being a party to the Application. Anyone doing so would be involved as an 'intervenor'. The outcome will be determined by the submissions, affidavits and legal arguments put forth by the legal representatives of the Information Commissioner. Whether one person is represented, or 1000, it will make no difference to the outcome of the Application. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f ----- Original Message ----- From: "john burns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Fw: Letter re: Court file, census records Subject: Letter re: Court file, census records To the other people that have received letters from Daniel Brunet asking whether or not they plan on attending as a party in the Application for review... I imagine most of us will say we don't intend to participate. Is my assumption right? John ______________________________

Hi all, Hope someone can help me. I was searching through an online street directory of Vancouver the other day and I can't remember what site it was on. I've just changed computer and I've lost all my bookmarks. Does anyone know where I will find it. Many thanks Jacqui Phillips

I indicated that I did not wish to be a party in the application. Alan Ontario ----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message ----- From: "loddydawe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Subject:,RE: [CAN-BC] Garnet "Steve" STEPHENSON Ontario > Chilliwack, BC > Gerald: If this chap worked in the motor pool, he probably was with the > Royal Canadian Army Service Corps. Check the Department of National > Defence Website or see if there is an RCASC website - place a query to > there. In Germany in the 50's, he could have been posted to either > Werl, Soest, Hemer (or if attached to the Air Force) Lahr, West > Germany. Also check if there is a CFB Chilliwack website. He would > have received his training in CFB Borden in Ontario check for that website. > My father was RCASC (30 years) ..... but my brother was RCEME and he was stationed in Chilliwack in the mid-1960's, when he finished his apprenticeship, in Kingston, Ontario. So I'd be inclined to think the uncle was RCEME, particularly as he was a mechanic, after discharge from the Army. RCASC basically provided those to drive anything on wheels and/or tracks, the Army had, although I know they did some work on their vehicles as well. At least those in Kingston did ... but primarily RCASC was responsible for transporting men and equipment. RCEME, as I recall, had the motor pool (to fix vehicles), built the roads, bridges and the like, allowing the Army to keep moving. Toni, Ontario. (From the eras of the Korean War, "duck 'n' cover"and Bay of Pigs; lived on Army bases from 1950-1971)

Subject: Letter re: Court file, census records To the other people that have received letters from Daniel Brunet asking whether or not they plan on attending as a party in the Application for review... I imagine most of us will say we don't intend to participate. Is my assumption right? John

Greetings All. Second Reading debate in the Senate on Bill S-18 was adjourned 2 December in the name of Senator Noél Kinsella. At the beginning of this week there were some indications that Second Reading might be finished and S-18 referred to Committee, with the Committee of Social Affairs, Science and Technology possibly meeting on it as early as Wednesday. This even though the Committee website shows that there are currently no Committee meetings scheduled. Obviously this has not happened. The Senate sat on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday of this week and has now been adjourned until Monday, 13 December. While Senator Kinsella was shown in attendence for each sitting day this week, and he did speak on other things, no further debate took place this week on Bill S-18. On the Senate Order Paper Bill S-18 has daily been shown high up in the order of items listed, however it would appear that this order has little meaning as many other items, lower in the list, seem to have taken precedence over S-18. I expect that the last sitting day of the Senate before adjournment for Christmas will be Thursday 16 December. This gives at most four sitting days for Bill S-18 to complete Second Reading debate and to be referred to Committee if this is to be accomplished in a timely manner (i.e. this year). According to the Parliamentary Calendar, Parliament will not resume sitting again until Monday, 31 January. From the time Parliament resumes sitting in January until it adjourns for the summer recess there will be 68 sitting days, possibly 78 days if an extension of sitting days is invoked. Not a lot of time for Bill S-18 to finish being processed in the Senate and then to go through the hoops once again in the House of Commons. If we have any hope at all, before Parliament recesses for the summer, of regaining the public access to Historic Census records we seek, we must continue to inform our parliamentarians how important this issue is to us. Government has been known to rush something through Parliament that is of importance to them. We must make this an issue that is important to them so that they will take steps to expedite passage of Bill S-18. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted

Gerald: If this chap worked in the motor pool, he probably was with the Royal Canadian Army Service Corps. Check the Department of National Defence Website or see if there is an RCASC website - place a query to there. In Germany in the 50's, he could have been posted to either Werl, Soest, Hemer (or if attached to the Air Force) Lahr, West Germany. Also check if there is a CFB Chilliwack website. He would have received his training in CFB Borden in Ontario check for that website. Hope that helps. Jim [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > Garnet "Steve" STEPHENSON Ontario > Chilliwack, BC > From: > "Gerald Cronkwright" <[email protected]> > Date: > Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:06:32 -0500 > To: > [email protected] > > To: > [email protected] > > >I am searching for any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) or corespondence with friends and relatives who knew about my uncle Garnet "Steve" Stephenson b. 27 Jul 1927 in Middlesex Cty near Arkona, Watford & Strathroy, Ontario areas. He lived (intermittently between 1960's to 1990's in Ontario & BC but most of this time it was in BC) and died in the Chilliwack, BC area probably in the early to mid 1990's. > >He was married to my aunt Ella Frances Patience b. 7 Dec 1926 in Thamesford, Oxford Cty, Ontario d. 3 Jan 1986 probably in Chilliwack, BC; on 21 Jan 1949 in Arkona, Middlesex Cty, Ontario. > >He was an officer in the Royal Canadian Army and they spent most of the 1950's posted somewhere in West Germany. When they returned to Canada in the early 1960's they moved out to Chilliwack, BC for about 5 years and then they returned to live in London, Ontario for a couple of years where he worked at a Beaver Oil Gas Station and Towlands Road Construction as a mechanic and then they farmed for a short time near Watford, Ontario before they returned to BC again. > >While in BC I think that he worked most of the time as a mechanic servicing heavy road constuction equipment. At some point he suffered from an accident where he had one of his legs amputated and therefore he retired prematurely. My aunt Ella worked as a cook and domestic in the hotel industry for most of her life before dying prematurely of brain cancer. They had no children together. > >I believe that my uncle Steve\'s father was an OPP or town police constable in the Arkona, Middlesex Cty, ON area and I would like to find out more about his mother and father and siblings ancestry. >I would also like to find out and confirm the death dates and places of both my aunt and uncle in the Chilliwack, BC area. > >I need a volunteer(s) to try and find any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) about Garnet (Steve) & Ella (Patience) Stephenson while they lived in BC from approx. 1960's - 1990's. I was thinking that establishing contact with the chief or head Librarian at the local Chilliwack Public Library to perform a surname or card catalogue search would be a good starting point. > >Any help with answers to the above matters will be greatly appreciated! > >

The note of contents is this: These are some of the families mentioned from The Upper Ward of Lanarkshire, mentioned in the collected Tales and Legends of the Upper Ward of Lanarkshire, Scotland, published in Biggar, Scotland by D. Lockhart. Probably previously published in a newspaper in Biggar, Scotland, before being published in 1860 as a book. Margory Weir, a tale of James V -- Popular superstitions -- William Dawson, the Covenanter -- Hunting lodge of James V -- The marriage of Wallace -- Death of young Hasileig -- The murder of Marion -- Mary Dickson, a tale of Douglas -- De Vere, of Craig-Lockhart Castle -- William Douglas, of Covington Castle -- Sir Symon Lockhart -- The Knights of the Thummle -- The blood-stained altar -- Forrest, the rebel trooper -- Ada De Vere, a legend of Stonebyres. Tales and Legends of the Upper Ward of Lanarkshire, Scotland The record gives no author, but rather D. Lockart as publisher, in Biggar. Would anyone who has read any of these tales tell us what they are about? I have ancestors names among the families from the area of Lanarkshire, mentioned in the Tales. Is the book in someone's library or a book seller's library somewhere?

To all:- Several weeks ago, I mailed letters to all Senators, other than Quebec, who were not shown as being supportive or not supportive of Bill S-18. Two letters arrived today as follows. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm ============== December 7, 2004 Dear Mrs. Davidson:- Thank you for your letter of November 30th concerning Bill S-18. I am happy to advise you that Senator D. Ross Fitzpatrick fully supports Senator Milne's bill regarding the release of census records. We appreciate your taking the time to write and express your views on this very important issue. Sincerely, David Schneider, Special Assistant to The Honourable D. Ross Fitzpatrick. [British Columbia] =================== December 7, 2004 Dear Ms. Davidson, Thank you for letter dated November 30, 2004 regarding Bill S-18. Bill S-18 is currently in the Social Affairs, Science and Technology Committee of the Senate. The Senate Committee will be studying Bill S-18. At that time Senator Wilbert J. Keon will be introducing any feedback he has received from the public regarding this issue. We thank you for taking the time to voice your support for this bill. Sincerely, Gail Bonus-Van Essen Administrative Assistant Office of Senator Wilbert Keon [Ontario}

You might try contacting the Chilliwack Museum as I believe they may have back copies of the Chilliwack Progress newspapers and might be able to locate obituaries for you. Contact information: 45820 Spadina Avenue, Chilliwack, B.C. V2P 1T3 Kelly Harms ... Archivist Museum Phone: 1-604-795-5210 Fax: 1-604-795-5291 Email: [email protected] There are also microfilmed archive copies of the Chilliwack Progress at the B.C. Archives. Adele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Cronkwright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Garnet "Steve" STEPHENSON Ontario > Chilliwack, BC > I am searching for any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) or corespondence with friends and relatives who knew about my uncle Garnet "Steve" Stephenson b. 27 Jul 1927 in Middlesex Cty near Arkona, Watford & Strathroy, Ontario areas. He lived (intermittently between 1960's to 1990's in Ontario & BC but most of this time it was in BC) and died in the Chilliwack, BC area probably in the early to mid 1990's. > > He was married to my aunt Ella Frances Patience b. 7 Dec 1926 in Thamesford, Oxford Cty, Ontario d. 3 Jan 1986 probably in Chilliwack, BC; on 21 Jan 1949 in Arkona, Middlesex Cty, Ontario. > > He was an officer in the Royal Canadian Army and they spent most of the 1950's posted somewhere in West Germany. When they returned to Canada in the early 1960's they moved out to Chilliwack, BC for about 5 years and then they returned to live in London, Ontario for a couple of years where he worked at a Beaver Oil Gas Station and Towlands Road Construction as a mechanic and then they farmed for a short time near Watford, Ontario before they returned to BC again. > > While in BC I think that he worked most of the time as a mechanic servicing heavy road constuction equipment. At some point he suffered from an accident where he had one of his legs amputated and therefore he retired prematurely. My aunt Ella worked as a cook and domestic in the hotel industry for most of her life before dying prematurely of brain cancer. They had no children together. > > I believe that my uncle Steve\'s father was an OPP or town police constable in the Arkona, Middlesex Cty, ON area and I would like to find out more about his mother and father and siblings ancestry. > I would also like to find out and confirm the death dates and places of both my aunt and uncle in the Chilliwack, BC area. > > I need a volunteer(s) to try and find any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) about Garnet (Steve) & Ella (Patience) Stephenson while they lived in BC from approx. 1960's - 1990's. I was thinking that establishing contact with the chief or head Librarian at the local Chilliwack Public Library to perform a surname or card catalogue search would be a good starting point. > > Any help with answers to the above matters will be greatly appreciated! > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > Every two months or so, please repost your interests, > telling us what you know and where you've looked > and what you still need to find out. >

I would recommend finding out what Chilliwack City Directories exist for the time periods that your aunt and uncle lived in that area. The telephone directories exist, but these would not be very informative, as they would only show your uncle's name and address, nothing about his occupation, and no mention of your aunt or her occupation, which you WOULD get in any city directory. The problem is, they may not have been published, or they may not have survived. You can start by asking the staff at BC Archives, by email for information on what directories they have for Chilliwack in the required years. They could have as much or more than the Chilliwack library. Go to: http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-129E513/services/inquiry/accescom.htm and scroll down to the electronic form, and leave a detailed and specific request for the information. Thenyou would have to find a volunteer to search whatever city or telephone directories are available. The public library in Chilliwack probably has an online-presence too, and you can email them with the same query. To get the dates of their deaths, you can contact the Victoria probate registry of the BC Supreme Court, and they can check the database for any probate/estate files for those two names. They will give you the file numbers and the name of the court registry that has the files, if they find any exist. The database covers 1982 to the present, for all of the province. If there are files, the staff person will give you the dates of death also, and then you can ask for a volunteer to search after those dates in the newspaper for obituaries. There are also voters lists at BC Archives, which give address and occupation, but these are only searchable on-site, and the search can be quite time consuming as you have to check every polling station, one by one. And the voters' lists are no longer accessible until twenty years after. If you applied to BC Vital Statistics Agency for death records, you would have to pay, and you would have to make a guess at the year they died, and they would charge you for every three year period they search, though there is no reason for that...they search the entire database with one query of course. Just a way for the government to make more money. And all you would get is a certificate stating they were born in a place, were so many years old, and died on a date, in a place. Much better to try for a probate/estate file first. Piles of interesting information in a probate file usually. When it is twenty years after their deaths, you will be able to get the full information on the death registration, which even includes cause of death, and the names of parents, but if there was no one available to state the names of their parents, then the information won't be there. The probate file sometimes contains the date and place of birth, but never parent names. Hope this helps. Claudia Claudia Cole Independent Research Agent 304 - 1960 Lee Avenue Victoria BC V8R 4W8 Canada 250 598-7859 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Cronkwright [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAN-BC] Garnet "Steve" STEPHENSON Ontario > Chilliwack, BC I am searching for any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) or corespondence with friends and relatives who knew about my uncle Garnet "Steve" Stephenson b. 27 Jul 1927 in Middlesex Cty near Arkona, Watford & Strathroy, Ontario areas. He lived (intermittently between 1960's to 1990's in Ontario & BC but most of this time it was in BC) and died in the Chilliwack, BC area probably in the early to mid 1990's. He was married to my aunt Ella Frances Patience b. 7 Dec 1926 in Thamesford, Oxford Cty, Ontario d. 3 Jan 1986 probably in Chilliwack, BC; on 21 Jan 1949 in Arkona, Middlesex Cty, Ontario. He was an officer in the Royal Canadian Army and they spent most of the 1950's posted somewhere in West Germany. When they returned to Canada in the early 1960's they moved out to Chilliwack, BC for about 5 years and then they returned to live in London, Ontario for a couple of years where he worked at a Beaver Oil Gas Station and Towlands Road Construction as a mechanic and then they farmed for a short time near Watford, Ontario before they returned to BC again. While in BC I think that he worked most of the time as a mechanic servicing heavy road constuction equipment. At some point he suffered from an accident where he had one of his legs amputated and therefore he retired prematurely. My aunt Ella worked as a cook and domestic in the hotel industry for most of her life before dying prematurely of brain cancer. They had no children together. I believe that my uncle Steve\'s father was an OPP or town police constable in the Arkona, Middlesex Cty, ON area and I would like to find out more about his mother and father and siblings ancestry. I would also like to find out and confirm the death dates and places of both my aunt and uncle in the Chilliwack, BC area. I need a volunteer(s) to try and find any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) about Garnet (Steve) & Ella (Patience) Stephenson while they lived in BC from approx. 1960's - 1990's. I was thinking that establishing contact with the chief or head Librarian at the local Chilliwack Public Library to perform a surname or card catalogue search would be a good starting point. Any help with answers to the above matters will be greatly appreciated! ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== Every two months or so, please repost your interests, telling us what you know and where you've looked and what you still need to find out.

I am searching for any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) or corespondence with friends and relatives who knew about my uncle Garnet "Steve" Stephenson b. 27 Jul 1927 in Middlesex Cty near Arkona, Watford & Strathroy, Ontario areas. He lived (intermittently between 1960's to 1990's in Ontario & BC but most of this time it was in BC) and died in the Chilliwack, BC area probably in the early to mid 1990's. He was married to my aunt Ella Frances Patience b. 7 Dec 1926 in Thamesford, Oxford Cty, Ontario d. 3 Jan 1986 probably in Chilliwack, BC; on 21 Jan 1949 in Arkona, Middlesex Cty, Ontario. He was an officer in the Royal Canadian Army and they spent most of the 1950's posted somewhere in West Germany. When they returned to Canada in the early 1960's they moved out to Chilliwack, BC for about 5 years and then they returned to live in London, Ontario for a couple of years where he worked at a Beaver Oil Gas Station and Towlands Road Construction as a mechanic and then they farmed for a short time near Watford, Ontario before they returned to BC again. While in BC I think that he worked most of the time as a mechanic servicing heavy road constuction equipment. At some point he suffered from an accident where he had one of his legs amputated and therefore he retired prematurely. My aunt Ella worked as a cook and domestic in the hotel industry for most of her life before dying prematurely of brain cancer. They had no children together. I believe that my uncle Steve\'s father was an OPP or town police constable in the Arkona, Middlesex Cty, ON area and I would like to find out more about his mother and father and siblings ancestry. I would also like to find out and confirm the death dates and places of both my aunt and uncle in the Chilliwack, BC area. I need a volunteer(s) to try and find any information (newspaper clippings, vital records sources, obituaries, tombstones inscriptions, etc.) about Garnet (Steve) & Ella (Patience) Stephenson while they lived in BC from approx. 1960's - 1990's. I was thinking that establishing contact with the chief or head Librarian at the local Chilliwack Public Library to perform a surname or card catalogue search would be a good starting point. Any help with answers to the above matters will be greatly appreciated!

Hope I have replied to everyone personally to say thank you for your replies, and offer of help. I have learnt much from your correspondences. With regard to the 120 year rule - I understand from Claudia Cole that you can get a copy if you have the death certificate for the person, that is at least 20 years prior to the date of asking! I am so glad I know about Violet but was really looking forward to getting her details. Unbelieveable...I've just realised I'll be 70 when they are released!!!!!!! Here's hoping they leave the marriages and deaths alone. Otherwise, we will all be completely stumpted. Jacqui Phillips &gt;From: [email protected]

This message may be forwarded -- Bill S-18 would release 1911 to 2001 records automatically at 10-year periods. The note to the Hon. David Emerson need only be a few words, but your name, city and province/state should be included -- to let him know people from many areas want the census records opened. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON ============ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [CCC] Notes to Minister Emerson Hello there everyone: Further to our ongoing campaign to pass bill S-18, I would like to ask each and every one of you to write to Minister Emerson to urge him to take whatever steps are necessary to have the bill get through the Senate as soon as possible. You may want to word it as a Christmas wish, or however you like. However he should be made aware of the significant interest that there is across Canada to have this bill passed as soon as possible. Minister Emerson's email addresses are: [email protected] Or [email protected] I would hope that as many letters as possible could get to Minister Emerson very quickly. Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965

Hello List: regarding Jacqui's question about B.C. Birth Registrations... The B.C. Gov't earlier this year passed several amendments to the Vital Stats Act....among which was a change regarding access to Birth Registrations - there is now a period of 120 years from the birth of a person before the registration form will be available to the public... apparently this was not in response to a complaint ... but due to the fact that some 500 odd people in B.C. are over 100 yrs old, and their privacy would not be protected by the 100 year rule , so , the Gov't decided to extend it to 120 yrs .... that means that the last birth registrations released were those for 1903... and 1904 will be released in 2024.... note that they did not change marriage and death release dates(yet) sorry to be the bearer of such news , but if you check the LIST ARCHIVES, you can get some in depth info about the amendments Alf on Vancouver Island

Greetings All. I have received several messages by those receiving the letter from the Information Commissioner's office regarding his legal action on our behalf. Those contacting me wish to know what is involved should they seek to be a party to the Application of the Information Commissioner. I have contacted the General Counsel, Daniel Brunet, and received the following information from him. The form letter that accompanied the letter sent by Mr. Brunet is to satisfy a legal requirement that complainants be notified of the Application for review, and for them to be given the opportunity to participate in the Application should they so choose. The form should be completed and returned ASAP. Anyone wishing to be a party to the Application would be doing so as an 'intervenor' to the action and as such would be required to put forth their own submissions, testimony and arguments, and to provide their own legal counsel. Essentially, all testimony, submissions and arguments would be done in writing, and by affidavit etc. There would however, be a hearing at which final oral arguments etc. would be heard. The hearing would be open to the public and Mr. Brunet stated he would advise us in advance as to when it would take place. The hearing will be held in Ottawa. Those taking part in the Application would do so at their own expense. That would include transportation, accomodation, food and the cost of any legal counsel. In the end run, the cost to anyone wishing to participate as a party to the Application could be considerable. You could not expect reimbursement by the government for any part of expenses incurred. Mr. Brunet indicated that the 'Litigation' folder on the Information Commissioner's website, mentioned in my earlier post, should be online by sometime next week. Information on the progress of the Application by the Information Commissioner will be available there. My thanks to all who have contacted Mr. Brunet themselves and provided information they received from him. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted

Dear Listers Being new to the list I had hesitated to ask for some help for copies of registrations, but after this last posting I thought I had better ask away. I have taken all the info off the BC archives site, and hope that I am not asking too much...but here goes MARRIAGES Groom Name: CHARLES JAMES PIPER Place New Westminster Reg. Number: 1904-09-118032 Bride Name: FLORENCE SHEPHERD BURNETT Date: 1904 3 19 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event: Marriage Microfilm #: B11382 (GSU # 1983975) Groom Name: CHARLES G G ANDERSON Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1915-09-079979 Bride Name: MINNIE PIPERr Date: 1915 3 27 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event: Marriage Microfilm #: B11378 (GSU # 1983706) DEATHS Name: CHARLES T WOOD PIPER Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1924-09-332423 Date: 1924 3 14 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 84 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13124 (GSU # 1927301) Name: SARAH ELIZABETH PIPER Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1924-09-332435 Date: 1924 4 1 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 77 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13124 (GSU # 1927301) Name: FLORENCE SHEPHERD PIPER Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1926-09-366627 Date: 1926 5 3 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 60 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13128 (GSU # 1927305) Name: Charles Piper Place Sidney Reg. Number: 1953-09-007623 Date: 1953 7 28 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 84 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13216 (GSU # 2032875) Charles J and Florence Piper had a little girl in, I think, March, 1905...will this mean I have to wait until the end of 1905 or will the document become available in March 2005? Couldn't find a 'suitable' Minnie (Piper) Anderson death - Her birth date is: July 12, 1872 To find out more about my adventurous ancestors who emigrated from Plymouth, Devon in 1890/91 would be absolutely wonderful. Can I ask one more question: What route might they have taken from Plymouth to get to Victoria and how long would it have taken them? I have no idea of how to set about finding it, as most records I have found so far are either before or after their journey. Jacqui Phillips &gt;From: [email protected] &gt;Reply-To: [email protected] &gt;To: [email protected] &gt;Subject: CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D Digest V04 #284 &gt;Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:00:15 -0700 &gt; &gt;Content-Type: text/plain &gt; &gt;CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 284 &gt; &gt;Today's Topics: &gt; #1 RE: [CAN-BC] Re: missing names in [&quot;Claudia Cole&quot; &lt;[email protected]] &gt; &gt;Administrivia: &gt;To New Subscribers: &gt;One of the first places you may wish to look is the online &gt;indexes to British Columbia Vital Records, at &gt;http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes &gt; &gt;These records are freely available and there are several possibilities &gt;for accessing them at a low cost. If you find relatives in the index, just &gt;ask on the list and we'll help you get copies of the registrations for them. &gt; &gt;To unsubscribe from CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D, send a message &gt; mailto:[email protected] &gt;that contains in the body of the message the command &gt; unsubscribe &gt;and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software &gt;requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. &gt; &gt;To contact Pam, the CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D list maintainer, send mail to &gt;[email protected] &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;______________________________ &gt;X-Message: #1 &gt;Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:49:44 -0800 &gt;From: &quot;Claudia Cole&quot; &lt;[email protected]&gt; &gt;To: [email protected] &gt;Message-ID: &lt;[email protected]&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [CAN-BC] Re: missing names in index. &gt;Content-Type: text/plain; &gt; charset=&quot;US-ASCII&quot; &gt;Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit &gt; &gt;The place to contact re searching further for b/m/d records is BC Vital &gt;Statistics Agency. Their website is at: &gt;http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/genealogy/ &gt;Contact information is at: http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/admin/offices.html &gt; &gt;The British Columbia Archives cannot do anything for you regarding birth &gt;/marriage /death records, as they do not have legal custody of those &gt;records. They simply provide access to the microfilms and the index. &gt; &gt;I have no idea if the Vital Statistics staff can do any further &gt;searching, beyond looking in the same index you searched, or what &gt;charges they might levy to do any such searching, but it's certainly &gt;worth asking. I would recommend asking to speak with a supervisor, as &gt;I've had different answers from different staff members when at the &gt;counter with such complicated queries as this one, and the supervisor &gt;has been able to straighten out the answers. &gt; &gt;Claudia &gt; &gt; &gt;Claudia Cole &gt;Independent Research Agent &gt;304 - 1960 Lee Avenue &gt;Victoria BC V8R 4W8 Canada &gt;250 598-7859 [email protected]

Hi Jacqui This being a busy time of year you may have to wait awhile before anyone can get these for you. If so then try RAOGK at: http://www.raogk.org/ Failing that you could try Don Crawfords site at: http://members.shaw.ca/copies/ where within a week or so you can have them for $4.00 each CDN. I have no interest in Mr. Crawfords business except as a satisfied customer. Also he has told me that if you e-mail your requests to him, then send him a cheque, the turn around time is faster. I tried it and it is ;-) Sorry, I can't help with your Plymouth to Victoria question. Best of luck in your research, Cheers, Bridget in B.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqui Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:33 AM Subject: [CAN-BC] RE: CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D Digest V04 #284 > Dear Listers > > Being new to the list I had hesitated to ask for some help for copies of > registrations, but after this last posting I thought I had better ask > away. I have taken all the info off the BC archives site, and hope that I > am not asking too much...but here goes > > MARRIAGES > > Groom Name: CHARLES JAMES PIPER Place New Westminster Reg. Number: > 1904-09-118032 > Bride Name: FLORENCE SHEPHERD BURNETT Date: 1904 3 19 (Yr/Mo/Day) > Event: Marriage Microfilm #: B11382 (GSU # 1983975) > > Groom Name: CHARLES G G ANDERSON Place Vancouver Reg. Number: > 1915-09-079979 > Bride Name: MINNIE PIPERr Date: 1915 3 27 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event: Marriage > Microfilm #: B11378 (GSU # 1983706) > > > DEATHS > > Name: > CHARLES T WOOD PIPER Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1924-09-332423 Date: > 1924 3 14 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 84 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13124 (GSU # > 1927301) > > Name: SARAH ELIZABETH PIPER Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1924-09-332435 > Date: 1924 4 1 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 77 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13124 > (GSU # 1927301) > > Name: FLORENCE SHEPHERD PIPER Place Vancouver Reg. Number: > 1926-09-366627 > Date: 1926 5 3 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 60 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13128 > (GSU # 1927305) > > Name: Charles Piper Place Sidney Reg. Number: 1953-09-007623 Date: > 1953 7 28 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 84 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13216 (GSU # > 2032875) > > Charles J and Florence Piper had a little girl in, I think, March, > 1905...will this mean I have to wait until the end of 1905 or will the > document become available in March 2005? > > Couldn't find a 'suitable' Minnie (Piper) Anderson death - Her birth date > is: July 12, 1872 > > To find out more about my adventurous ancestors who emigrated from > Plymouth, Devon in 1890/91 would be absolutely wonderful. > > Can I ask one more question: What route might they have taken from > Plymouth to get to Victoria and how long would it have taken them? I have > no idea of how to set about finding it, as most records I have found so > far are either before or after their journey. > > > Jacqui Phillips > > > > &gt;From: [email protected] > &gt;Reply-To: [email protected] > &gt;To: [email protected] > &gt;Subject: CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D Digest V04 #284 > &gt;Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:00:15 -0700 > &gt; > &gt;Content-Type: text/plain > &gt; > &gt;CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 284 > &gt; > &gt;Today's Topics: > &gt; #1 RE: [CAN-BC] Re: missing names in [&quot;Claudia Cole&quot; > &lt;[email protected]] > &gt; > &gt;Administrivia: > &gt;To New Subscribers: > &gt;One of the first places you may wish to look is the online > &gt;indexes to British Columbia Vital Records, at > &gt;http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes > &gt; > &gt;These records are freely available and there are several possibilities > &gt;for accessing them at a low cost. If you find relatives in the index, > just > &gt;ask on the list and we'll help you get copies of the registrations for > them. > &gt; > &gt;To unsubscribe from CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D, send a message > &gt; mailto:[email protected] > &gt;that contains in the body of the message the command > &gt; unsubscribe > &gt;and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > &gt;requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > &gt; > &gt;To contact Pam, the CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-D list maintainer, send mail > to > &gt;[email protected] > &gt; > &gt; > &gt; > &gt;______________________________ > &gt;X-Message: #1 > &gt;Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:49:44 -0800 > &gt;From: &quot;Claudia Cole&quot; &lt;[email protected]&gt; > &gt;To: [email protected] > &gt;Message-ID: &lt;[email protected]&gt; > &gt;Subject: RE: [CAN-BC] Re: missing names in index. > &gt;Content-Type: text/plain; > &gt; charset=&quot;US-ASCII&quot; > &gt;Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > &gt; > &gt;The place to contact re searching further for b/m/d records is BC > Vital > &gt;Statistics Agency. Their website is at: > &gt;http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/genealogy/ > &gt;Contact information is at: http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/admin/offices.html > &gt; > &gt;The British Columbia Archives cannot do anything for you regarding > birth > &gt;/marriage /death records, as they do not have legal custody of those > &gt;records. They simply provide access to the microfilms and the index. > &gt; > &gt;I have no idea if the Vital Statistics staff can do any further > &gt;searching, beyond looking in the same index you searched, or what > &gt;charges they might levy to do any such searching, but it's certainly > &gt;worth asking. I would recommend asking to speak with a supervisor, as > &gt;I've had different answers from different staff members when at the > &gt;counter with such complicated queries as this one, and the supervisor > &gt;has been able to straighten out the answers. > &gt; > &gt;Claudia > &gt; > &gt; > &gt;Claudia Cole > &gt;Independent Research Agent > &gt;304 - 1960 Lee Avenue > &gt;Victoria BC V8R 4W8 Canada > &gt;250 598-7859 [email protected] > > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records > are at > http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn-301BDDB/bsearch > These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for > accessing them at a low cost. > >