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    1. RE: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages
    2. Peter Goff
    3. Because the vital statistics have such long closure periods (not like UK where we go to 1837 to 2003 for all events seemingly without privacy problems) the only way to find events out side the date ranges is to trawl the newspapers. I think you would look in the Vancouver Sun - can a BC resident confirm. I managed to find a 1938 marriage this way, it is time consuming and you need the willingness of a fellow BC lister or a RAOK member. I too am in UK Peter G >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill and Helen [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: 30 March 2005 00:20 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages > > >Hi >Please can someone tell me how I could frin Births, Deaths & Marriages >in the Vancouver area between 1920 and 1940. >Is there anything on line as I am in England >Thanks in advance >Helen > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia >Vital Records are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn->301BDDB/bsearch >These >records are freely available and there >are several possibilities for accessing them at a low cost. > >

    03/30/2005 02:29:02
    1. RE: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages
    2. Claudia Cole
    3. Always ask first amongst the local people, before you start a long search over a whole year or several years of newspapers. There are little odds and ends of indexes available, so ask in the area where the event took place. Many local area museums and historical societies have patiently indexed some of their local vital events from newspapers. Even in the larger city of Victoria, there exists an index for a large chunk of newspaper announcements, early twentieth century for the Times newspaper, owned by the Archives of the City of Victoria, and this is online. As for a Vancouver newspaper, for first half of twentieth century you are probably best to try the Province first, not the Sun. The older paper, the Province, was the larger of the two daily newspapers at that time. It became a tabloid late in the century. One very frustrating thing is to run into one of the strike periods, in the 1970s I think it was. These lasted for months, and since Pacific Press owned both the daily papers, there were no births/marriages/deaths printed for that time. But look carefully, if you run into a strike period. Because sometimes they printed a great many delayed death announcements, and sometimes an alternative newspaper was printed here and there during the strike. Don't give up til you've checked with the locals! Claudia Cole Independent Research Agent 304 - 1960 Lee Avenue Victoria BC V8R 4W8 Canada 250 598-7859 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Peter Goff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages Because the vital statistics have such long closure periods (not like UK where we go to 1837 to 2003 for all events seemingly without privacy problems) the only way to find events out side the date ranges is to trawl the newspapers. I think you would look in the Vancouver Sun - can a BC resident confirm. I managed to find a 1938 marriage this way, it is time consuming and you need the willingness of a fellow BC lister or a RAOK member. I too am in UK Peter G >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill and Helen [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: 30 March 2005 00:20 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages > > >Hi >Please can someone tell me how I could frin Births, Deaths & Marriages >in the Vancouver area between 1920 and 1940. >Is there anything on line as I am in England >Thanks in advance >Helen > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia >Vital Records are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn->301BDDB/bsearch >These >records are freely available and there >are several possibilities for accessing them at a low cost. > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005

    03/29/2005 05:39:50
    1. Births, Deaths & Marriages
    2. Bill and Helen
    3. Hi Please can someone tell me how I could frin Births, Deaths & Marriages in the Vancouver area between 1920 and 1940. Is there anything on line as I am in England Thanks in advance Helen

    03/29/2005 05:19:52
    1. Post-1901 Census -- Let's Flood Senator Milne's Office With Petitions
    2. Muriel M. Davidson
    3. To all:- First of all -- should anyone desire to become a member of the Canada Census Committe, please contact me directly. Contrary to what I have requested previously, (mailing Senate and Non-Resident petitions directly to Senator Lorna Milne's office) I will now leave it up to the individual. Two envelopes visited Sunnybrook Veteran's Wing in Toronto over the weekend -- but I did not mail -- these will be tabulated and delivered before the next date of April 12. Several others have been received -- Fort Saskatoon, Alberta and Bakersfield. California today -- my grandson saves the different stamps. Prior to this, Jeff Paul, Senator Milne's policy advisor, may let us know is petitions may be needed -- it is better to be ready with some -- just in case. One request -- Any Canadian sending Senate petitions directly, are requested to let me know how many signatures. Please note -- and you may obtain more signatures -- street addresses are not needed -- that is OUR bit of privacy -- postal codes includes only six to twelve homes or one apartment building. Non-Resident petitions may also go direct but I like the fun of opening envelopes from many places I would like to visit. Another request to all Canada Committee Members --- Please check YOUR province -- should the province or territory not show 100% GOLD, please send a note to the Member of Parliament -- identify yourself as the Canada Census Committee member of that province. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [Senator Lorna Milne's webpage at latter site] Tip:- 100% == Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Yukon, PEI Senators At present I am leaving the Senators to Gordon -- we do not know who is for or against, as shown http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Senscore1.htm To date I have received a number of messages asking WHEN S-18 will arrive in The House of Commons -- plus one today from a Member of Parliament offering assistance with addresses of the NINE new Senators. IF all completed only Page 1, that would be 10 signatures each. Let's try for that goal!! It would be a great WELCOME BACK to Ottawa for Senator Lorna Milne. Sincerely, Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON -- formerly Liverpool, Sydney, Dartmouth, NS

    03/29/2005 02:22:11
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages
    2. Bridget Watson
    3. Hi Helen, To add further to what others have kindly sent you, there is one more option for getting BMD registrations from B.C. if you have no luck with a volunteer. Go to Don Crawfords site at http://members.shaw.ca/copies/ where for £3.00 GBP per registration Mr. Crawford can get it for you. If you e-mail him the info then send your payment, then the turn around time is much faster. I have no interest in Mr. Crawfords enterprise except as a very happy customer. Also BMD Registrations give much more info than BMD Certificates here in B.C. Best of luck in your research Helen......... Cheers, Bridget in Canada GlamFHS # 5865 I transcribe for www.freebmd.rootsweb.com I use www.archivecdbooks.ca to help in my research ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Helen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages > Hi > Please can someone tell me how I could frin Births, Deaths & Marriages in > the Vancouver area between 1920 and 1940. > Is there anything on line as I am in England > Thanks in advance > Helen > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records > are at > http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn-301BDDB/bsearch > These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for > accessing them at a low cost. > >

    03/29/2005 11:05:08
    1. RE: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages
    2. Claudia Cole
    3. ANOTHER SOURCE: If you have a Latter Day Saints church with a Family History Library near you in England, you can also order the microfilm reels in yourself through them. But you use the GSU film number, instead of the BC Archives film number. Or you could try interlibrary loan through your local lending library, for a small fee. It was the Latter Day Saints who arranged for, and paid for the microfilming of these records, and it was volunteers from the Victoria Genealogy Society who input the data for the index you see online. I would bet the people who worked so hard on making these records easily and cheaply available to the public are annoyed that such a high price is being charged by a commercial group for a photocopy. The first thing anyone sees online with the index is a button to click to buy a copy at an exhorbitant price. That button SHOULD say, CLICK HERE FOR THE RIP-OFF PRICE If you want a large batch of the records, there are plenty of ways to get them at a price most people can afford. Claudia Cole Independent Research Agent 304 - 1960 Lee Avenue Victoria BC V8R 4W8 Canada 250 598-7859 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Bill and Helen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages Hi Please can someone tell me how I could frin Births, Deaths & Marriages in the Vancouver area between 1920 and 1940. Is there anything on line as I am in England Thanks in advance Helen ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records are at http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn-301BDDB/bsearch These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for accessing them at a low cost. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005

    03/29/2005 10:52:05
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] Vancouver area births, deaths and marriages
    2. Carol Lylyk
    3. Just to add my two cents worth - Deaths are actually available from 1872-1984 and marriages are available 1872-1929 not the reverse. Glad to see someone else's fingers don't always do what the old brain is thinking. <G> Carol Lylyk Calgary, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Vancouver area births, deaths and marriages | Hi Helen, | | You can go to the B.C. Archives site to get the births, deaths and marriage | records for B.C. It is at: | http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/index.htm. At the top of the page just | click on Vital Events, then on the next page click on On-line Images. | Births are only available from 1872-1903, deaths are only available from | 1872-1929 and marriage records are only available from 1872-1984. | Once you find the record that you are interested in, you need to make note | of the microfilm number and the registration number for each record you want | a copy of. You can click on the little blue number next to the record that | you found and it will take you to the digital image order page. Then you | can either order them right from the archives site but it costs quite a bit | for each copy, $19.95, but they will email it to you or there might be some | kind person on this list that may be able to get a copy for you from one of | the libraries that has copies of the microfilms or from. The library's do | charge a very small copying fee for using their copy machines though. Hope | this helps some. | | Melanie. | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 | | | ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== | To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records are at | http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn-301BDDB/bsearch | These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for accessing them at a low cost. | |

    03/29/2005 10:47:17
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] Vancouver area births, deaths and marriages
    2. Melanie
    3. Hi Carol, Thanks for clearing that year mistake up. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused. My fingers seem to have a mind of their own somedays. Sometimes I think the old brain is out to lunch too! <G> Melanie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005

    03/29/2005 09:53:20
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] Births, Deaths & Marriages
    2. Stella Stanger
    3. Hi Helen, The Provincial Archives of British Columbia - has the Vital Events Index online: Marriage 1859 - 1929 - Birth 1872 - 1903 - Death: 1872 - 1984. http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-DB1149/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths There are Volunteers at the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness -British Columbia http://www.raogk.org/bcolumbia.htm Any who offer Lookups of Public Record - can View,Transcribe or Copy the information from the filmed registrations. There is no fee - although some may charge to cover their cost of copies [.50 cents or under - depending on copy machine costs ] and /or postage. Some offer search for Obituaries *Funeral home may also hold this information . Others offer Cemetery Photo's. Cheers, Stella At 03:19 PM 3/29/2005, Bill and Helen wrote: >Hi >Please can someone tell me how I could frin Births, Deaths & Marriages in >the Vancouver area between 1920 and 1940. >Is there anything on line as I am in England >Thanks in advance >Helen > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records >are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn-301BDDB/bsearch >These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for >accessing them at a low cost.

    03/29/2005 09:33:02
    1. Vancouver area births, deaths and marriages
    2. Melanie
    3. Hi Helen, You can go to the B.C. Archives site to get the births, deaths and marriage records for B.C. It is at: http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/index.htm. At the top of the page just click on Vital Events, then on the next page click on On-line Images. Births are only available from 1872-1903, deaths are only available from 1872-1929 and marriage records are only available from 1872-1984. Once you find the record that you are interested in, you need to make note of the microfilm number and the registration number for each record you want a copy of. You can click on the little blue number next to the record that you found and it will take you to the digital image order page. Then you can either order them right from the archives site but it costs quite a bit for each copy, $19.95, but they will email it to you or there might be some kind person on this list that may be able to get a copy for you from one of the libraries that has copies of the microfilms or from. The library's do charge a very small copying fee for using their copy machines though. Hope this helps some. Melanie. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005

    03/29/2005 08:38:44
    1. vancouver city directories
    2. debi
    3. Hello list - can anyone tell me what years city directories for Vancouver are available at the Pubic Library?. I do have a record for 1950 - but are there any others available for the years 1945 - 1959. Is there a directory for every year?. I'm looking for one that will show address and occupation. Many thanx...............debi

    03/29/2005 04:19:59
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] Vancouver city directories
    2. Stella Stanger
    3. Hi Debi, YES, The Main Branch of the Vancouver Public Library - does have the City Directories - on microfilm - for the years mentioned . The New Westminster Public Library - on 6th - has City Directories -[same as the ones for Vancouver] in Hard Copy in their collection. Cheers, Stella At 11:19 AM 3/29/2005, debi wrote: >Hello list - can anyone tell me what years city directories for Vancouver >are available at the Pubic Library?. I do have a record for 1950 - but >are there any others available for the years 1945 - 1959. Is there a >directory for every year?. I'm looking for one that will show address and >occupation. >Many thanx...............debi > > >==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== >To New Subscribers : The online indexes to British Columbia Vital Records >are at >http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca:9000/sn-301BDDB/bsearch >These records are freely available and there are several possibilities for >accessing them at a low cost.

    03/29/2005 03:43:11
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] birth certificate look-up
    2. Bridget Watson
    3. Hi Judy, Haven't seen a reply on-list to your request as yet so if no one can get it for you try RAOGK at: http://www.raogk.org/bcolumbia.htm where someone may volunteer to get it for you. If no luck there then try Don Crawfords site at: http://members.shaw.ca/copies/ where Mr. Crawford will get it for you for $4.00 CDN. I have no interest in Mr. Crawfords business except as a very happy customer. Best of luck in your research. Cheers, Bridget in B.C. GlamFHS # 5865 I transcribe for www.freebmd.rootsweb.com I use www.archivecdbooks.ca to help in my research ----- Original Message ----- From: "elista" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [CAN-BC] birth certificate look-up > IF SKS is going to where ever the civil registration films are, I'm hoping > you would be able to copy the following birth registration, please. > > Julia Stranbe ( should be Straube ) born 3 July, 1894 in Vancouver > Reg. # 1894 - 09 - 116490, B13811, GSU 2134881 > > Thanks so much, appreciate the help. > Sincerely, > Judy Carleton > Blackfalds, Alberta > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > Visit the British Columbia Gen Web page at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canbc/ > >

    03/28/2005 08:51:08
    1. birth certificate look-up
    2. elista
    3. IF SKS is going to where ever the civil registration films are, I'm hoping you would be able to copy the following birth registration, please. Julia Stranbe ( should be Straube ) born 3 July, 1894 in Vancouver Reg. # 1894 - 09 - 116490, B13811, GSU 2134881 Thanks so much, appreciate the help. Sincerely, Judy Carleton Blackfalds, Alberta

    03/28/2005 05:16:05
    1. Post-1901 Census -- Petitions Are Still Needed
    2. Muriel M. Davidson
    3. To all:- Apologies for so many census memos during the past few days, but as one read in the last one, April 12th will be the first date Bill S-18 will be hopefully finalized in the Senate -- then started on its journey through the House of Commons. Petitions for the Senate and the Non-Resident ones may be posted either to myself or directly to Senator Lorna Milne at the Senate address. These could still be needed. House of Commons petitions will go directly to Gordon A. Watts at the address given where petitions are downloaded http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census Gordon will then forward these to the House of Commons -- please, NO petitions to YOUR favorite Member of Parliament. As I will be away being caregiver of my husband at Sunnybrook until Monday -- do not be surprised should you not receive a reply. Looking for lots of mail -- my petitions are downloaded for the weekend. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8

    03/24/2005 12:19:27
    1. Post 1901 Census - S-18 debate adjourned to 12 April 2005
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. Third Reading debate of Bill S-18 continued in the Senate yesterday (Wednesday) with Senator Madeleine Plamondon speaking against the access we seek. As have others who oppose that access, she made references to 'promises' being broken and related this to a lack of trust the people have in politicians. The debate yesterday was more lengthy than those previously reported on. Some of this debate consisted of heckling on the part of some Senators that oppose access. I will not go into it here in any length but urge all to read the debate for themselves. For the first time some Senators, other than our champion Senator Milne, had supportive comments to make. As usual, the extracted Hansard debate has been placed on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Follow the link for "Progress of Bill S-18" For her speech opposing Bill S-18 Senator Plamondon will earn a Red X of Opposition on our Senators Scoreboard. Because they voted in favour of Senator Comeau's amendment that would have closed access to all Censuses from 1918 to 2005, a number of other Senators have earned their Red X of Opposition as well. They will appear as soon as I am able to make the changes to our website. Fortunately, the amendment of Senator Comeau was defeated so that what remains to be considered is the original Bill as presented by the government. We had hoped that Bill S-18 would have finished Third Reading and be referred to the House of Commons before the Senate recessed for the Easter break. We had hopes this would happen today (Thursday 24 March). Instead of that however, at the end of sitting yesterday, the Senate voted to adjourn until Tuesday 12 April 2005, at 2:00 PM. Even should all of those Senators who still wish to speak to Bill S-18 be able to do so, and it passed Third Reading and was referred to the House of Commons on 12 April, at that time there will be only 32 House sitting days left before Parliament recesses for the Summer. It is looking less and less like we will see Bill S-18 proceed in the House through First Reading, Second Reading, Committee and Report stages, Third Reading and Royal Assent before the Summer break. Happy (?) Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

    03/24/2005 06:05:24
    1. Post 1901 Census - S-18 debate continues
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Greetings All. Third Reading debate of Bill S-18 continued in the Senate on Tuesday 22 March with Senator John Lynch-Staunton leading the charge against passage of the Bill. As he had done before for the Privacy Commissioner and the Chief Statistician, he now berated Justice Canada for having produced a legal opinion that differed from earlier opinions in that it found no intention that Census records were intended to remain confidential forever, and no evidence that any 'promise' had been made that would give such an impression. He stated that "Justice has a bad habit of tailoring opinions to suit its client." It does not appear to matter to the Honourable Senator that earlier opinions were based on a very narrow view of one specific clause in Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census (having the Force of Law), whereas the opinion of Ann Chaplin in August 2000 considered ALL pertinent clauses (also having the Force of Law) in those Instructions, as well as ALL legislation having a bearing on the access issue. The Honourable Senator was prolific in quoting clauses of various statutes, Instructions, and Census forms which, while they gave assurances of confidentiality in contemporary terms, nowhere was there anything that indicated that such confidentiality was intended to last FOREVER. The Honourable Senator Comeau added some further comments as well. During the course of the past seven years, whenever any Senator or MP has spoken against the access we seek, almost without exception they have voiced those objections as if genealogists and historians were seeking information from current Censuses, rather than from those of 92 or more years ago. While much of what they say may have some validity in terms of access to current Census records, to apply those terms to records almost a century old is, to say the least, misleading. The full text of yesterday's (Tuesday) debate has been added to the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL following my signature. Follow the link "Progress of Bill S-18". Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted

    03/23/2005 07:30:24
    1. Re: Birth Registration
    2. Hi Arlene and List, I have been reading your discussion on births registrations with some interest . Arlene's last sentence made me think to go and look at a couple of books we have on our shelf as potential re-publications - except we're not too sure how popular they would be. One of the book is the Canada Year Book for 1922-23 and there was an interesting piece in it under "Vital Statistics" so I scanned the 3 pages and have OCR'd and extracted a part of it here for your information: "II. VITAL STATISTICS. The collection of vital statistics commenced in Canada, as in England, with the registration of baptisms, marriages and burials by the ecclesiastical authorities. These registers, maintained by the priests from the first settlement of the country, have made it possible for the vital statistics of the French colony to be compiled from the year 1610.* In the beginning, only one copy of such records was made, but in 1678 the Sovereign Council of Quebec ordered that in future such records should be made in duplicate, and that one copy, duly authenticated, should be delivered to the civil authorities. This arrangement was continued after the cession of the country to England, and was extended to the newly-established Protestant churches by an Act of 1793, but the registration among these latter remained seriously defective, both in Lower Canada and in the newly-established province of Upper Canada. In English-speaking Canada, vital statistics were from the commencement seriously defective, the pioneer settlers often going out into the wilds far from the authority of government and the ministrations of religion. While a law existed in Upper Canada requiring ministers of religion to deposit duplicates of their registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths with the clerks of the peace for transmission to the provincial secretary, this law remained practically a dead letter. Again, the efforts made to secure records of births and deaths at the censuses of 1851 and 1861 produced most unsatisfactory and even ridiculous results, as was pointed out by Dr. J. C. Tache, secretary of the board of registration and statistics, in a memorial published in the report of the Canadian Minister of Agriculture for the year 1865. Nevertheless, in spite of the inherent unsoundness of securing at a point of time in a decennial census a record of births and deaths occurring over a considerable period of time, this method was persisted in down to 1911, when the obviously untrustworthy character of the results obtained led to the discarding of the data obtained at the inquiry. In Montreal and Toronto, for example, the local records showed 11,038 and 5,593 deaths respectively in the calendar year 1910, while the census records showed only 7,359 and 3,148 deaths respectively in the year from June 1, 1910, to May 31, 1911. Similar discrepancies were shown for other areas, proving the census data to be very incomplete. The Dominion Government instituted in the early 80's a plan for compiling the annual mortuary statistics of cities of 25,000 population and over, by subsidizing local boards of health to supply the information under special regulations. A beginning was made with the five cities of Montreal, Toronto, Hamilton, Halifax and St. John. By 1891 the list had grown to 25, at a time when in most of the provinces the only birth and death statistics were those of the municipalities. Upon the organization of provincial bureaus of vital statistics, however, this work was abandoned, though a conference of Dominion and provincial officials, held in 1893, passed a resolution calling upon the provincial and Dominion authorities to cooperate in the work of collecting, compiling and publishing the vital statistics of the Dominion. This resolution had, however, no immediate practical results in securing accurate or comparable vital statistics. Each province (except New Brunswick, which had no vital statistics) enacted its own legislation on vital statistics and administered such legislation according to its own individual methods. While the vital statistics of Ontario were published in considerable detail annually from 1871, the arrangements for the collection of data were unsatisfactory. Only in 1906 was the publication of vital statistics begun in Prince Edward Island (no report for 1912 has ever been issued), and in Nova Scotia the publication of vital statistics dates only from 1909. Because of the lacunae, and even more because of the incomparability of facts collected, of methods of collection and of standard of enforcement, Canadian vital statistics remained extremely unsatisfactory and impossible to be compiled on a national basis, as was pointed out by the 1912 commission on official statistics, which recommended that "for the Dominion, now engaged in building up its national unity, it is important that uniform data should render possible to statisticians the institution of true interprovincial and international comparisons. By effective co-operation of the provinces with the Dominion this object should be capable of attainment without sacrificing the liberty of each province to satisfy its own special statistical requirements." The scheme of co-operation, thus outlined, has now been brought into effect as a consequence of the establishment of the Dominion Bureau of Statistics under the Statistics Act of 1918, which specifically provided that the Bureau should publish an annual report on vital statistics, and of the Dominion-Provincial conferences on vital statistics. The scheme was in the first instance drawn up in the Bureau and submitted to the various provinces; later a Dominion-Provincial conference on vital statistics was held in June, 1918, when a comprehensive and final discussion took place. At the conferences of 1918, it was agreed: (1) that the model Vital Statistics Act prepared by the Dominion Bureau of Statistics, when accepted by the legislatures, should form the basis of the vital statistics legislation of the several provinces, thus scouring uniformity and comparability; (2) that the provinces should undertake to obtain the returns of births, marriages and deaths on the prescribed forms as approved find adopted at the conference, the Dominion Bureau of Statistics to supply the forms free of charge; (3) that the provinces should forward to the Dominion Bureau of Statistics, at such times as might be agreed upon, either the original return of births, marriages and deaths, or certified transcriptions of the same; the Dominion Bureau of Statistics to undertake the mechanical compilation and tabulation of the same. Under the scheme outlined above, the vital statistics of all the provinces, except Quebec, have been secured and compiled on a uniform basis for the year 1920, and with the commencement of 1921, it became possible to issue complete monthly statements for the eight provinces. The first annual report has been issued, covering the year 1921, and may be obtained on application to the Dominion Statistician. Statistics showing births, marriages, deaths and natural increase in the nine provinces of Canada in recent years are given under the various headings in the following tables. The statistics for the eight provinces constituting the registration area of Canada are compiled for the provinces in the Dominion Bureau of Statistics, while the figures for Quebec are taken from the provincial returns. The totals for the nine provinces are approximately equivalent to what they would be for the Dominion as a whole, since the Yukon Territory and the Northwest Territories, which are not as yet covered by the new scheme of vital statistics, contain between them less than l-700th of the population of the Dominion. <3 paragraphs removed for brevity> * For a summary of the vital statistics of the Roman Catholic population from 1610 to 1883, see the Statistical Year Book of Quebec, 1921, English or French edition, p. 51. For details by years of this movement of population, see Vol. V of the Census of 1871, pp. 160-265 and Vol.IV of the Census ot 1881, pp. 134-145. " I apologize for the length of the quote but it I couldn't see a way to cut it any more without removing some interesting comments. I would be interested to hear any comments from any of you if you think that you would be interested in seeing a book filled with information about Canada at this sort of level made available, on CD, for you to own. We also have this book for 1916-17, 1937 and 1950, and a similar one, "The Canadian Almanac," for 1919. As I said, I find these books fascinating - but then I like all sorts of strange things :-) Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. Attn: Malcolm Moody - President P.O. Box 11, Manotick, Ontario, K4M 1A2, Canada. phone: (613) 692-2667 e-mail: [email protected] Canadian web site: http://www.archivecdbooks.ca > > From: Arlene Halme <[email protected]> > Date: 22 March 2005 21:10:34 GMT-05:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Birth Registration > > > My father was born in the Comox Hospital in 1920 but his birth wasn't > registered until he started school in 1926 when he needed proof of > age. When he joined the Army he needed a birth certificate and Vital > Stats turned up 2 birth dates for him 9 days apart so he always > celebrated 2 birthdays each year. His next older brother also did not > have his birth registered until he started school. I'm not sure if it > was lack of a Vital Stats office in small communities or people just > didn't know they had to register a birth with a government office. My > grandmother probably thought that the baptism record would suffice as > it did in Finland. Would be interesting to know what the regulations > in the 20's were. > > Arlene >

    03/23/2005 07:11:45
    1. Re: [CAN-BC] Birth Registration
    2. H.C. Masson
    3. Have seen many different troubles with birth registrations. Now I have a few of my own. My father was born Dec 6 1880 in Winnipeg and he was not registered until after his marriage to Mother and his first born (twins) and he wanted to buy life insurance and they would not sell it to him without a birth Certificate. His aunt Mary had to swear to the facts being right and that she was present when he was born. My other Grandfather made it a practice to register several at a time as it was a fifteen mile trip to a town he usually didn't go to. So waited till he had enough to make the trip worth while. And getting closer in time when I was born in 1926 in a small town. We had moved to town for the winter and the Dr sent in his report with Daddies rural address which was different than the town. Well Daddy had registered me as the place I was born in the town. Than he started getting letters about him not Registering me as no registration had been made for me in the Rural address. He was threatened with jail time if he didn't straighten up his act. Well don't know the exact troubles as I was a bit too young but I got registered and still here after 79 years. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Halme <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Birth Registration > My father was born in the Comox Hospital in 1920 but his birth wasn't > registered until he started school in 1926 when he needed proof of age. > When he joined the Army he needed a birth certificate and Vital Stats > turned up 2 birth dates for him 9 days apart so he always celebrated 2 > birthdays each year. His next older brother also did not have his > birth registered until he started school. I'm not sure if it was lack > of a Vital Stats office in small communities or people just didn't know > they had to register a birth with a government office. My grandmother > probably thought that the baptism record would suffice as it did in > Finland. Would be interesting to know what the regulations in the 20's > were. > > Arlene > > > ==== CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA Mailing List ==== > Every two months or so, please repost your interests, > telling us what you know and where you've looked > and what you still need to find out. > >

    03/23/2005 04:29:45
    1. Re: 1914 information
    2. Gordon A. Watts
    3. Hi Star. I am certain the BC Genealogy Society would be tickled pink to receive your information for their library. Contact information for them is as follows. British Columbia Genealogy Society P.O. Box 88054 Lansdowne Mall Richmond, BC V6X 3T6 email [email protected] website http://www.bcgs.ca Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: 1914 information I contacted someone before and misplaced the name. I have pictures, paintings, and lots of information I would like to donate from my 90 year old Father, born in Vancouver 1915. His parents had 2 boarding houses in Vancouver and took lots of pictures around Point Gray(?), Vancouver, North Vancouver and Westminster/Burnaby area. Does Vancouver have a Genealogy Society or could it be the Vancouver Library. appreciate your help. Star ______________________________

    03/23/2005 04:01:24