Hi 1. For your information, the suicide of another distant relation (George, not Charles, SHEFFIELD) was publicised in on newspaper, the Nottingham Daily Express, of Mon 25 Nov 1901 page 8 as follows: "Two strange deaths in Nottingham - On Saturday the Nottingham City Coroner, Mr CL Rother, held inquiries at the Eastcroft into the remarkable circumstances attending the deaths of Charles [sic] Sheffield, of 63, Edwin-street . . . The first was a case of suicide . . . From the evidence adduced . . . it appeared that Sheffield was employed at Messrs. Parker and Booth's factory, and on Thursday he told his wife that he had made a false statement to his employer, and that it had played on his mind. On Friday he did not go to work, and he was inquired for at home. His wife did not know where he was, and on going up to his bedroom found two bottles which had contained laudanum and a letter (which was not read). Mrs Sheffield then went round to his employers, and from enquires which were made Mr Frank Norris, one of the members of the firm, found the deceased at some gardens at Well's-road. His head and shoulders were in a tub of water, and he was standing on a brick. He was quite dead, and the evidence pointed to ! a deliberate case of suicide. Mr Norris stated that the deceased was in charge of the leather department, and he told witness that he had sent out leather without first entering it in the books. He said it was the first time he had done it. A verdict of 'suicide whilst temporarily insane' was returned." That is so sad. Until 1823 suicide was a crime in England and the body was buried at a crossroads with a stake driven through it. After this time most were buried in unconsecrated ground in a churchyard. By an 1882 Act burial could be in consecrated ground but without a religious ceremony so normally no burial entry in parish register. By a 1961 Act suicide was decriminalised and a burial service could be performed. 2. Many thanks to all those who had sent in ideas, but so far there has been no success. Perhaps William CAMPBELL died somewhere other than Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. Stan -----Original Message----- From: campbell-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:campbell-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Atpowelljr@aol.com Sent: 04 September 2012 10:21 To: campbell@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Campbell] Why did William CAMPBELL shoot himself in Sheffield in the 193... In a message dated 9/3/2012 7:32:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, desctryk@gmail.com writes: Stan, Maybe NOTHING was written in the papers or elsewhere about William Campbell's death. Suicides aren't usually publicized, even today. And when you do hear about them, the reasons are seldom mentioned. Extreme illness or severe depression may be involved. People jumped out of windows to their death on Wall Street in 1929. You're unlikely to get a reason. He may have been refused burial in a church burial ground.There may be no recognition of his death anywhere. My son-in-law recently told us of a funeral in Wisconsin -- he knew the man who died, and had heard he'd killed himself. When my s-i-l drove by the church, there was ONE car there and the gravediggers at work -- outside the wall of the regular chuchyard. No mourners. No service. No recognition of the poor man's death. Another family member never heard her grandfather's first name. When we finally tracked him down and found a name, he was shown in a city directory one year and his wife appeared as a widow in the federal census the next year. But no other official records exist anywhere. He just vanished. Suicide? Desertion? Murder? No telling. Good luck with your research, but don't expect too much in official records. Sheila On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Stanley Dencher < Stanley.Dencher@wolterskluwer.co.uk> wrote: > > Grandfather William CAMPBELL was rarely mentioned during our youth. > This was because apparently he committed suicide by shooting himself. > He always lived in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. > He had no middle name. > He married Mary Elizabeth GARSIDE during the three months to 30 June 1918 > in Sheffield (volume 9c page 1173). > The birth of his last child was in early 1929, so he probably died no > earlier than about 1928. > A search for a death of a William CAMPBELL in the period from 1928 to 1948 > in Sheffield produces only two hits: > > (1) the death on 25 Feb 1928, but probate was to widow Jane (perhaps she > was the mother of the William CAMPBELL); > and > > (2) the death on 8 March 1930 aged 32, but the informant was the widow > Lily and this William died of pneumonia. > > Neither death is correct as the widow should be Mary CAMPBELL. > > The 1911 census has 14 year old clerk William CAMPBELL (so born about > 1897) with his parents William (a church assistant) and Jane at 319 Glossop > Rd, Sheffield. > > The four known children (in order of birth) of William and Mary CAMPBELL > are: > > (1) Constance Violet APPLETON (maiden name CAMPBELL) 1919-2003 who married > Charles Frederick APPLETON > > (2) Colin CAMPBELL who was born during the quarter to 30 September 1921 > > (3) Roy G CAMPBELL who was born Q/E June 1924 Sheffield vol 9c page 1026 > and > > (4) Mavis CAMPBELL born Q/E March 1929 Sheffield vol 9c page 849. > > MAY I ASK: > > How I can establish the exact date of death for William CAMPBELL > so a search can be made of the Sheffield local newspapers for a possible > report of the inquest? > > Perhaps there is an index of burials for the local cemeteries (the WI did > this in some places in Leicestershire and deposited the result at the > County Record Office). > > Perhaps William CAMPBELL is buried in the same grave as: > > (a) his widow Mary who died in the three months to 31 December 1964 aged > 68 in Sheffield (vol 2d page 63), so born c1896; or > > (b) his father (also William CAMPBELL) who died on 25 Feb 1928 in > Sheffield. > > Perhaps the local newspapers have been indexed. > > Many thanks. > > Stan _____________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted by this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the individual it is addressed to. 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I THINK YOU ARE SENDING ME THESE BY MISTAKE... On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Stanley Dencher <Stanley.Dencher@wolterskluwer.co.uk> wrote: > Hi > > 1. For your information, > the suicide of another distant relation (George, not Charles, SHEFFIELD) was publicised in on newspaper, the Nottingham Daily Express, of Mon 25 Nov 1901 page 8 as follows: > > "Two strange deaths in Nottingham - > On Saturday the Nottingham City Coroner, Mr CL Rother, held inquiries at the Eastcroft into the remarkable circumstances attending the deaths of Charles [sic] Sheffield, of 63, Edwin-street . . . The first was a case of suicide . . . From the evidence adduced . . . it appeared that Sheffield was employed at Messrs. Parker and Booth's factory, and on Thursday he told his wife that he had made a false statement to his employer, and that it had played on his mind. On Friday he did not go to work, and he was inquired for at home. His wife did not know where he was, and on going up to his bedroom found two bottles which had contained laudanum and a letter (which was not read). Mrs Sheffield then went round to his employers, and from enquires which were made Mr Frank Norris, one of the members of the firm, found the deceased at some gardens at Well's-road. His head and shoulders were in a tub of water, and he was standing on a brick. He was quite dead, and the evidence pointed t! o ! > a deliberate case of suicide. Mr Norris stated that the deceased was in charge of the leather department, and he told witness that he had sent out leather without first entering it in the books. He said it was the first time he had done it. A verdict of 'suicide whilst temporarily insane' was returned." > > That is so sad. > > Until 1823 suicide was a crime in England and the body was buried at a crossroads with a stake driven through it. After this time most were buried in unconsecrated ground in a churchyard. By an 1882 Act burial could be in consecrated ground but without a religious ceremony so normally no burial entry in parish register. By a 1961 Act suicide was decriminalised and a burial service could be performed. > > 2. Many thanks to all those who had sent in ideas, but so far there has been no success. Perhaps William CAMPBELL died somewhere other than Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: campbell-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:campbell-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Atpowelljr@aol.com > Sent: 04 September 2012 10:21 > To: campbell@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Campbell] Why did William CAMPBELL shoot himself in Sheffield in the 193... > > > > > In a message dated 9/3/2012 7:32:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > desctryk@gmail.com writes: > > Stan, > Maybe NOTHING was written in the papers or elsewhere about William > Campbell's death. Suicides aren't usually publicized, even today. And when > you do hear about them, the reasons are seldom mentioned. Extreme illness > or severe depression may be involved. People jumped out of windows to their > death on Wall Street in 1929. You're unlikely to get a reason. > > He may have been refused burial in a church burial ground.There may be no > recognition of his death anywhere. My son-in-law recently told us of a > funeral in Wisconsin -- he knew the man who died, and had heard he'd killed > himself. When my s-i-l drove by the church, there was ONE car there and the > gravediggers at work -- outside the wall of the regular chuchyard. No > mourners. No service. No recognition of the poor man's death. > > Another family member never heard her grandfather's first name. When we > finally tracked him down and found a name, he was shown in a city directory > one year and his wife appeared as a widow in the federal census the next > year. But no other official records exist anywhere. He just vanished. > Suicide? Desertion? Murder? No telling. > > Good luck with your research, but don't expect too much in official > records. > > Sheila > > > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Stanley Dencher < > Stanley.Dencher@wolterskluwer.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> Grandfather William CAMPBELL was rarely mentioned during our youth. >> This was because apparently he committed suicide by shooting himself. >> He always lived in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. >> He had no middle name. >> He married Mary Elizabeth GARSIDE during the three months to 30 June 1918 >> in Sheffield (volume 9c page 1173). >> The birth of his last child was in early 1929, so he probably died no >> earlier than about 1928. >> A search for a death of a William CAMPBELL in the period from 1928 to > 1948 >> in Sheffield produces only two hits: >> >> (1) the death on 25 Feb 1928, but probate was to widow Jane (perhaps she >> was the mother of the William CAMPBELL); >> and >> >> (2) the death on 8 March 1930 aged 32, but the informant was the widow >> Lily and this William died of pneumonia. >> >> Neither death is correct as the widow should be Mary CAMPBELL. >> >> The 1911 census has 14 year old clerk William CAMPBELL (so born about >> 1897) with his parents William (a church assistant) and Jane at 319 > Glossop >> Rd, Sheffield. >> >> The four known children (in order of birth) of William and Mary CAMPBELL >> are: >> >> (1) Constance Violet APPLETON (maiden name CAMPBELL) 1919-2003 who > married >> Charles Frederick APPLETON >> >> (2) Colin CAMPBELL who was born during the quarter to 30 September 1921 >> >> (3) Roy G CAMPBELL who was born Q/E June 1924 Sheffield vol 9c page 1026 >> and >> >> (4) Mavis CAMPBELL born Q/E March 1929 Sheffield vol 9c page 849. >> >> MAY I ASK: >> >> How I can establish the exact date of death for William CAMPBELL >> so a search can be made of the Sheffield local newspapers for a possible >> report of the inquest? >> >> Perhaps there is an index of burials for the local cemeteries (the WI did >> this in some places in Leicestershire and deposited the result at the >> County Record Office). >> >> Perhaps William CAMPBELL is buried in the same grave as: >> >> (a) his widow Mary who died in the three months to 31 December 1964 > aged >> 68 in Sheffield (vol 2d page 63), so born c1896; or >> >> (b) his father (also William CAMPBELL) who died on 25 Feb 1928 in >> Sheffield. >> >> Perhaps the local newspapers have been indexed. >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Stan > > _____________________________________________________________________ > The information transmitted by this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the individual it is addressed to. 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