In a message dated 8/21/2013 11:13:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Atpowelljr@aol.com writes: everyone is entitled to their own opinion.<EVERY ONE BUT CUZ AT PLEASE READ WHAT YOU ARE SAYING Well, as I said I could do that too and you might be surprised! One comment that was raised by more than one cousin was that you should be given your own Campbell blog! Might be a good idea.< YYEP JUST PUT CUZ AT OUT TO PASTUER, NOW IF THAT IS NOT CENSOR SHIP , CENSORSHIP DOESNT EXSIST________________ Have fun. However, I'm not going to drag others into this ridiculous conversation and have a great idea: _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:campbell-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAMPBELL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

everyone is entitled to their own opinion.<EVERY ONE BUT CUZ AT PLEASE READ WHAT YOU ARE SAYING Well, as I said I could do that too and you might be surprised! One comment that was raised by more than one cousin was that you should be given your own Campbell blog! Might be a good idea.< YYEP JUST PUT CUZ AT OUT TO PASTUER, NOW IF THAT IS NOT CENSOR SHIP , CENSORSHIP DOESNT EXSIST________________ Have fun. However, I'm not going to drag others into this ridiculous conversation and have a great idea:

The John Campbell listed in the Ancestral File as a son of George Campbell is claimed to have been born circa 1756-1760 and to have died at Greensville, , VA in Jan 1803. His wife supposedly was named Frances. The Revolutionary War pension files includes a record for a John Campbell whose wife is named Frances. The will states that this John was born in Amherst City, VA in 1750. He lived there all of his life and died 29 Jan 1838. This pension application includes names of children. The age of this John Campbell does not fit with that of the Jno. Campbell mentioned in George Campbell's will. This apears too be a CONFUSIng mix of john campbell Born 1750 & George & Margaret CUZ AT

(continued from 8/17/2013 email: -- Dear AT, see #4. To answer your question, this puts the Henry and Nancy Ashburn Campbell family in Lafayette Co, MO, by 1820 by way of Kentucky.) 4. Biographical Sketch of W. Y. C. Campbell, Lafayette County, Missouri, >From "History of Lafayette County, Mo., carefully written and compiled from the most authentic official and private sources" St. Louis, Mo. Historical Company, 1881. ********************************************************************** W. Y. C. Campbell, P. O. Bates City, Missouri,. is a native of this county, where he was born February 19, 1832; he was also raised and educated in this county, and has lived here all his life, engaged in farming. November 4, 1858, he was married to Miss Martha Gleaves, of this county, and by this union has nine children living. He is the son of Henry and Nancy Campbell, who moved from Kentucky to this county in 1820, and settled in Clay township. His father raised a family of twelve children, in this county, and died April 6, 1874, at a very advanced age. ==================================================================== USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free information on the Internet, data may be used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages may NOT be reproduced in any format for profit or for presentation by other persons or organizations. Persons or organizations desiring to use this material for purposes other than stated above must obtain the written consent of the file contributor. This file was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by: Joe Miller <mio@netins.net> Penny (Eisenbarger) Harrell <Incog3678@aol.com> 5. Ewing Family Information -- http://www.cumberland.org/hfcpc/minister/Ewing.htm: Apr. 14, 1790; Chatham Ewing & Elizabeth Hall Campbell, dt Moses; James Campbell, Surety; Consent of John Ewing; Married by Jeremiah Hatcher, April 22, 1790 Bedford VA (NOTE: Is this marriage bond in Bedford Co, VA or Lafayette Co, MO? Elizabeth Hall Campbell Ewing died about 1842 in Lafayette Co, MO.) 6. Henry A. Campbell, Lafayette Co, MO -- http://files.usgwarchives.net/mo/lafayette/bios/c5140004.txt. (NOTE: This Lafayette Co, MO, biography says "Henry A. Campbell was the son of Henry and Nancy Campbell, who came to this county from Logan County, KY, in the fall of 1823." ******************************************************** Biographical Sketch of Henry A. Campbell, Lafayette County, Missouri >From "History of Lafayette County, Mo., carefully written and compiled from the most authentic official and private sources" St. Louis, Mo. Historical Company, 1881. ********************************************************************** Henry A. Campbell, P. O. Greenton, Mo. Is a native Missourian, and was born in this county in 1826. He has lived and farmed in this county all his life. He is a son of Henry and Nancy Campbell, who came to this county from Logan county, Ky., in the fall of 1823, and settled in Clay township, where he lived until his death, May 3, 1873, at an advanced age. He had accumulated a large estate, having continued to enter land for several years after he came to the county. In 1844 he was married to Miss Margaret Cartlyle, of this county, by whom he has seven children living. He is a member of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church. He served 5 months in the Southern army, but had to discon- tinue the service on account of sickness. ======================================= USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free information on the Internet, data may be used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. 7. http://books.google.com/books?id=emQUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA207#v=onepage&q&f=false-- . The Centennial History of Oregon, 1811-1912, Volume 4, page 207: Biography of Robert E. Campbell (born 4 September 1830 in Lafayette Co, MO, son of Henry and Nancy Ashburn Campbell.) Okay, now I am sure I am putting everyone to sleep..... Betty aka Kelly's Mom

Hi Betty, Yes, this sure looks like your family line and your ancestor is Moses Campbell who was married to Jene. This is the same family that Ms. Morrison is from and she too is descended through their son Aaron and his son Caleb who married Virginia Ashley. In the past few months we have taken a closer look at this Moses Campbell as a DNA donor from this line is a 64/67 match to our Amherst/Nelson County Virginia Campbells. The real problem is trying to place them within families! Take care, Sylvia

I have not been following this chain of messages, so forgive me if I give information that is already out there or contrary to what is said. But it looks like I have found the Virginia link to Lafayette Co, MO, in my daughter's birth family. My research shows that my daughter's Campbell birth family descends from Aaron George Campbell (born 15 Mar 1775 in "Virginia", died 22 July 1851 in Lafayette County, Missouri), My research shows that he was the son of Moses Campbell #1. Aaron George Campbell married Grace Williamson 17 March 1795, in Bedford Co, VA. Aaron George Campbell died in Lafayette Co, MO, and is buried in Campbell Cemetery, Odessa Rd, Lafayette Co, MO. They had 11 children (James, Henry, Joshua, Elizabeth, Nancy, Caleb, Urban, Alexander, Joel, Harriett, and Moses). Grace Williamson was the daughter of James Williamson and Elizabeth Hall of Bedford Co, VA. Grace died about 1833 in Logan Co, KY. The family went on to Lafayette Co, MO. Moses Campbell, son of Aaron George Campbell and Grace Williamson, was born abt 1820 (probably in Logan Co, KY) and married Martha Ann Eagan, daughter of John Eagan and Margaret J. Wray. John Eagan was born abt 1795 in Washington Co, TN, and died Feb 1855 in Lafayette Co, MO. He was probably the son of Barnabas S. Eagan, Jr, of Augusta Co, VA. John Eagan and Margaret J. Wray's daughter Susannah Eagan (born 11 Sep 1818 in TN, died 27 Dec 1893, in Johnson Co, MO) married Andrew B. ("Andy") Grainger. Andrew (Andy) Grainger's sister was Melvina C. Grainger (born 11 Aug 1816 in Sumner Co, TN, died 2 Nov 1893 in Lafayette Co, MO). Melvina married John M. (or N.) Campbell, who was listed on various records as "born 2 Jan 1800 in North Carolina." This John Campbell and Melvina had 6 children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Thomas W., William, Neal Smith, and Sarah. My daughter's birth ggg grandfather, Thomas W. Campbell, son of Melvina and John Campbell, was born about 1847 in Lafayette Co, MO, and died about 1893 in Humboldt Co, NV. Thomas W. Campbell married Adeline George, daughter of Isaiah Henderson George of Loudoun Co, VA and Sarah Frances Leach of Jefferson Co, VA. Thomas W. Campbell rode with Quantrill's Raiders and left Missouri "one step ahead of the law." He and wife Adeline settled in Humboldt Co, NV and had 2 children, Aubrey Forrest Campbell (from whom my daughter is descended) and Claude Franklin Campbell. Betty Wiggins (aka Kelly's Mom) -----Original Message----- From: Atpowelljr@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:49 PM To: sylviacamdenray@cox.net Cc: campbell_kids@yahoogroups.com ; campbell@rootsweb.com ; martinlilly20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Campbell] [campbell_kids] Re: Ancestors of this "DNA Family" COUSIN 'S I will point out MY questions In a message dated 8/15/2013 8:28:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sylviacamdenray@cox.net writes: To any who are interested. There were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County, they were father and son. They are found in Amherst personal property tax records in 1787 as Moses Campbell with sons, Moses, James and Aaron. They appear in Bedford County tax records in 1789.VERY WELL, ONE Moses Campbell, Sr born in 1740 , Moses Campbell, JR. born in Bedford County Va. in 1764. This is in your records & nethier of these two MOSES Campbell's could have been the MOSES CAMPBELL from AMHERST COUNTY WHO DID NOT ENTER BEDFORD COUNTY VIRGINIA untill 1789, THERE FORE THERE WAS FOR SURE 3 MOSES CAMPBELL'S; MOSES # one; bORN IN BEDFORD COUNTY IN 1740 # 2 MOSES CAMPBELL JR; BORN IN BEDFORD 1764; # 3 AMHERST COUNTY MOSES CAMPBELL WHO DID NOT ENTER BEDFORD COUNTY VIRGINIA UNTILL 1789 In 2012 an indepth analysis of Moses Campbell was done by Shirley Craft. Her research indicated that Moses Campbell born about 1740 died in Bedford County in 1792. In that same year his son, Moses Campbell married Mary Dooley. This is also supported by research that I performed in Bedford County tax and will records. A note here: Shirley's research also confirms that Lucy who married John Cash was daughter of Moses and Jene Campbell <,OK, MOSEES Campbell, SR. BORN IN 1740 THEN MOSES CAMPBELL, JR. BORN IN 1764 IN BEDFORD COUNTY VA<YOUR TWO MOSES CAMPBELL'S> NOW IN 1789 AMHERST COUNTY, MOSES CAMPBELL; THE KNOWN FATHER OF LUCY CAMPBELL WHO MARRIED JOHN CASH & HAD RAISED HIS FAMILY IN AMHERST COUNTY VA. AS HAS BEEN RECOREDED, THEN THAT PROVES THAT THERE HAD TO BE THREE MOSES CAMPBELL'STHE SAME MAN COULD NOT RAISED A FAMILY IN BOTH AMHERST & BEDFORD COUNTIES AT THE SAME TIME ONE MOSES CAMPBBELL RAISED LUCY CAMPBELL THAT DID MARY JOHN CASH IN AMHERST COUNTY, VA WHILE THE MOSES CAMPBELL THAT WAS BORN IN BEDFORD COUNTY IN 1740 & STARTED HIS FAMILY IN BEDFORD COUNTY IN 1764 THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT HAS COME FROM YOUR POST'S WITH OUT QUESTION, AMHERRST CONTY MOSES CAMPBELL IS ANOTHER MOSES CAMPBELL CUZ AT I have corresponded with Ms. Morrison and offer her family line which was handwritten by her aunt (who lived to be 97). In her message she also states: " I HAVE A PRINTOUT OF DESCENDANTS OF MOSES CAMPBELL B. 1740 D. 1792, MARRIED TO JENE? (1744-1792), WHICH IS THE MOSES CAMPBELL IN OUR FAMILY LINE." So no matter what spin anyone puts on this information, Ms. Morrison clearly states that she is descended from Moses Campbell and Jene, he dying in Bedford County in 1792. So, yes there were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County, father and son. Sylvia _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:campbell-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAMPBELL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My final comment on this: Let's see a couple of messages ago you, AT, said that there were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County and used Ms. Morrison's data as evidence to support that statement. Ms. Morrison has stated that her ancestor was Moses and Jene Campbell, he dying in Bedford County in 1792. Now, you say there were 3 Moses Campbells in Bedford County!! Imagine that. I can't possibly understand your reasoning that any of the Moses Campbells in Amherst County couldn't be the one that went to Bedford. That statement is ludicrous. It sure appears that records substantiate that it is one and the same, Moses Campbell, Sr who makes the move. You make a statement that #1 and #2 Moses Campbells both born in Bedford County and #3 Moses Campbell from Amherst. I have no idea where any of these Moses Campbells were born but suspect #1 Moses Campbell might have been born in Caroline/Essex (?) County. I believe that Moses Campbell Jr. could easily have been born in Amherst County. I only know of 2 Moses Campbells relative to this discussion. You have inserted a new one here. For all we know Moses Campbell Sr. could have traveled from Caroline, Bedford, Augusta, Amherst and back several times. You also give years of birth and I have no idea what their real dates of birth might be. Everyone assumes that Moses Campbell Sr. was born about 1740 but it is entirely possible that he could have been born a few years earlier and been 21 years of age in 1749 and witnessed the will of George Campbell who died in Caroline Co. in 1749. Sure seems possible. You make note that "information is from my records". No, the information that I gathered was from actual county documents of Amherst and Bedford. If your information is better than that maybe you could just tell all of us what our family lines are and save us the time of doing the hard work of going through the actual documents and records. All you have to do is hit "search" as you say. It's easy to do that and all of us find bits and pieces that way. But, a lot is found by actually looking at the records, if there are any. IN BEDFORD COUNTY PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RECORDS THERE IS NO MOSES CAMPBELL LISTED PRIOR TO 1789. The one listed in 1789 sure appears to be the same Moses Campbell who left Amherst County and relocated to Bedford. This move was made by himself, his sons, and yes, John Cash and wife Lucy. See the widow's statement made by Lucy Campbell Cash when she applied for her husband's pension. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A PERSON WOULD BE "MISSED" IN TAX RECORDS FOR CLOSE TO 10 YEARS, A YEAR OR TWO MAYBE. THERE JUST WAS NOT A MOSES CAMPBELL IN ANY BEDFORD COUNTY RECORDS PRIOR TO 1789. I don't know of any other way to explain that to you. I suspect that you have copied your information from persons who made assumptions many years ago and you have given no thought to recent finds that indicate that some of that information just may be suspect. Heck, that happens all the time. Just look at our Campbell Kids project. Remember when you insisted that George and Margaret were the parents of George Campbell who married Caty? Just in the past few years has Shirley found the actual parents of George Campbell (d. 1791 Amherst) and put that one to rest. People are always updating information. It is no reflection on the work of others it is just that, updated information. Prior to Shirley telling you and all of us that George Campbell was born in Caroline County no one spoke of it. But, there were lots of posts listing all kinds of wild stories about his family and you know about those. I could kick myself every time I answer one of your "misleading" statements because all you do is use it to assail people and make everything even more difficult. I can see why people are hesitant to share information with you. I guess this is how you get your kicks!! I will make no more comments on this subject. If you want to believe there were 3 Moses Campbells in Bedford County in the late 1700's please do so and state that it is AT's opinion, not fact. I state that my opinion, which is supported by documents in Amherst and Bedford County, that there were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County in the late 1700's, father and son, and that they relocated from Amherst County. Prior to Amherst County I have no idea where Moses Campbell might have been. Sylvia

COUSIN 'S I will point out MY questions In a message dated 8/15/2013 8:28:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sylviacamdenray@cox.net writes: To any who are interested. There were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County, they were father and son. They are found in Amherst personal property tax records in 1787 as Moses Campbell with sons, Moses, James and Aaron. They appear in Bedford County tax records in 1789.VERY WELL, ONE Moses Campbell, Sr born in 1740 , Moses Campbell, JR. born in Bedford County Va. in 1764. This is in your records & nethier of these two MOSES Campbell's could have been the MOSES CAMPBELL from AMHERST COUNTY WHO DID NOT ENTER BEDFORD COUNTY VIRGINIA untill 1789, THERE FORE THERE WAS FOR SURE 3 MOSES CAMPBELL'S; MOSES # one; bORN IN BEDFORD COUNTY IN 1740 # 2 MOSES CAMPBELL JR; BORN IN BEDFORD 1764; # 3 AMHERST COUNTY MOSES CAMPBELL WHO DID NOT ENTER BEDFORD COUNTY VIRGINIA UNTILL 1789 In 2012 an indepth analysis of Moses Campbell was done by Shirley Craft. Her research indicated that Moses Campbell born about 1740 died in Bedford County in 1792. In that same year his son, Moses Campbell married Mary Dooley. This is also supported by research that I performed in Bedford County tax and will records. A note here: Shirley's research also confirms that Lucy who married John Cash was daughter of Moses and Jene Campbell <,OK, MOSEES Campbell, SR. BORN IN 1740 THEN MOSES CAMPBELL, JR. BORN IN 1764 IN BEDFORD COUNTY VA<YOUR TWO MOSES CAMPBELL'S> NOW IN 1789 AMHERST COUNTY, MOSES CAMPBELL; THE KNOWN FATHER OF LUCY CAMPBELL WHO MARRIED JOHN CASH & HAD RAISED HIS FAMILY IN AMHERST COUNTY VA. AS HAS BEEN RECOREDED, THEN THAT PROVES THAT THERE HAD TO BE THREE MOSES CAMPBELL'STHE SAME MAN COULD NOT RAISED A FAMILY IN BOTH AMHERST & BEDFORD COUNTIES AT THE SAME TIME ONE MOSES CAMPBBELL RAISED LUCY CAMPBELL THAT DID MARY JOHN CASH IN AMHERST COUNTY, VA WHILE THE MOSES CAMPBELL THAT WAS BORN IN BEDFORD COUNTY IN 1740 & STARTED HIS FAMILY IN BEDFORD COUNTY IN 1764 THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT HAS COME FROM YOUR POST'S WITH OUT QUESTION, AMHERRST CONTY MOSES CAMPBELL IS ANOTHER MOSES CAMPBELL CUZ AT I have corresponded with Ms. Morrison and offer her family line which was handwritten by her aunt (who lived to be 97). In her message she also states: " I HAVE A PRINTOUT OF DESCENDANTS OF MOSES CAMPBELL B. 1740 D. 1792, MARRIED TO JENE? (1744-1792), WHICH IS THE MOSES CAMPBELL IN OUR FAMILY LINE." So no matter what spin anyone puts on this information, Ms. Morrison clearly states that she is descended from Moses Campbell and Jene, he dying in Bedford County in 1792. So, yes there were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County, father and son. Sylvia

To any who are interested. There were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County, they were father and son. They are found in Amherst personal property tax records in 1787 as Moses Campbell with sons, Moses, James and Aaron. They appear in Bedford County tax records in 1789. In 2012 an indepth analysis of Moses Campbell was done by Shirley Craft. Her research indicated that Moses Campbell born about 1740 died in Bedford County in 1792. In that same year his son, Moses Campbell married Mary Dooley. This is also supported by research that I performed in Bedford County tax and will records. A note here: Shirley's research also confirms that Lucy who married John Cash was daughter of Moses and Jene Campbell. I have corresponded with Ms. Morrison and offer her family line which was handwritten by her aunt (who lived to be 97). In her message she also states: " I HAVE A PRINTOUT OF DESCENDANTS OF MOSES CAMPBELL B. 1740 D. 1792, MARRIED TO JENE? (1744-1792), WHICH IS THE MOSES CAMPBELL IN OUR FAMILY LINE." So no matter what spin anyone puts on this information, Ms. Morrison clearly states that she is descended from Moses Campbell and Jene, he dying in Bedford County in 1792. So, yes there were 2 Moses Campbells in Bedford County, father and son. Sylvia

____________________________________ ID: I132728177 Name: Moses CAMPBELL Given Name: Moses Surname: Campbell Sex: M Note: Sources: Bedford Co., VA Marriage Records "Sur Moses Dooley, consent of George Dooley, father of Mary"ATTENTION, THIS SHOULD PROVE THAT THERE WERE TWO MOSES CAMPBELLS IN BEDFORD County VA. AS the MOSES campbell from Amherst County, Wife was named <JENNE???> AT Marriage 1 _Mary DOOLEY_ (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2217097&id=I132728111) b: Abt. 1774 * Married: 8 Dec 1792 in Bedford County, VA * THIIS IS the Moses Campbell who was born in BEDFORD COUNTY VIRGINIA in 1744 HE DID MARRY ONE Mary DOOLY in bedford county Va, & later relocate to LAFEEATTE COUNTY MO. The MOSES Campbell ARTICAL IN THE BEDFORD COUNTY VA Heritage Book: IS posted by one of the descendants of this Mose campbell & MARY DOOLEY The AMHERS MOSES Campbell Married to JENNE, AND was the Father of the LUCY CAMPBELL BORN IN AMHERST COUNTY VA ABT 1763, WHO DID Marry one JOHN CASH, They raised teir Family in AMHERST COUNTY VA & did not settle in BEDFORD COUNTY UNTILL 1779 AND THIS MOSES CAMPBELL DIED BERORE 1800 & JOHN CADH & WIFE LUCY VAMPBELL DID RELOCATE TO GA & NOT <LAFFEYETT COUNTY MO

Cousin Phyliss, There was two Moses campbell's in Bedford County Va # one who has beeen shown recently to have been born in bedford county Va in 1744 is theMoses campbell who relocated to lees Summit Mo HE has a descendant <Lois Allen Johnson Morrison Who has an artical in the Curent Bedford County Heritage bOOK with their complete life story<I have been in contact with her but lost connection. The amherst County Connected Moses Campbell THE father of the Lucy campbell WHOSE Daughter Lucy Campbell did marry john Cash in 1763 this Moses Campbell DID Relocate from Amherst County to BEDFORD County in 1779 did pas away before 1800 & his Daughter & Husband John Cash did relocate to GA. both of these MOSES CAMPBELL'S have been posted in this campbell family information PLEASE: Will LOIS ALLEN JOHNSON MORRISON, Who posted the ARTICAAL <MOSES CAMPBELL> In the bedford County virginia Heritage Book ON Page # 84, CUZ you & I have corresponded before but i have lost your E-ADDY PLEASE; contact CUZ A. T, <atpowelljr@aol.com. THANKS your confirmation of your POST IS NEEDED CUZ A. T. In a message dated 8/13/2013 6:54:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pengilly47@comcast.net writes: I'm not surprised by the apparent close relationship of Henry and Lawrence as they have a number of dealings with one another. George (a neighbor) named several of his children after Henry's Ambrose and Joel etc. which we all know created great confusion for researchers. One of Moses' descendants was an Aaron (like Henry's eldest son) which caused me some consternation. For those who don't know, Moses descendants went to KY and then on to Lafayette Co. MO where Tandy (Grandson of Henry and my gggrandfather) died. I looked for a definite connection, but haven't as yet found one. The DNA result is encourageing. Phyllis ____________________________________ From: sylviacamdenray@cox.net To: "campbell kids" <campbell_kids@yahoogroups.com> Cc: tunnelm@verizon.net Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:53:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [campbell_kids] Re: Ancestors of this "DNA Family" Hi Bill, At the 37 marker level Brent Campbell who is a descendant of Henry and Charity is a perfect 37/37 match to Earl Campbell. I don't think that Brent ever upgraded to a 67 marker kit. We now know that Henry, George, Lawrence, Francis, and Moses were pretty closely related. And somehow on the previous list all of those matches are close!! Sylvia __._,_.___ _Reply via web post_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/campbell_kids/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNGY5bnFvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwODE5NzExBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE5Mzk 0NQRtc2dJZAMxNzA4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzY0MzQ0NDM-?act=reply& messageNum=17084) _Reply to sender _ (mailto:pengilly47@comcast.net?subject=Re:%20[campbell_kids]%20Re:%20Ancestors%20of%20this%20"DNA%20Family") _Reply to group _ (mailto:campbell_kids@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20[campbell_kids]%20Re:%20Ancestors%20of%20this%20"DNA%20Family") _Start a New Topic_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/campbell_kids/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJma2d0ajNxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwODE5NzExBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE5Mzk0NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsaw NudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzY0MzQ0NDM-) _Messages in this topic_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/campbell_kids/message/17054;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZGFxaXBlBF9TAzk3MzU5 NzE0BGdycElkAzEwODE5NzExBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE5Mzk0NQRtc2dJZAMxNzA4NARzZWMDZnRy BHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzY0MzQ0NDMEdHBjSWQDMTcwNTQ-) (27) Recent Activity: _Visit Your Group_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/campbell_kids;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdnY5MmtjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwODE5NzExBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE5Mzk0NQRzZW MDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzY0MzQ0NDM-) (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMmdhOG85BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzEwODE5NzExBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE5Mzk0NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3NjQzNDQ0 Mw--) Switch to: _Text-Only_ (mailto:campbell_kids-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional) , _Daily Digest_ (mailto:campbell_kids-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest) • _Unsubscribe_ (mailto:campbell_kids-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe) • _Terms of Use_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) • _Send us Feedback _ (mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback on the redesigned individual mail v1) . __,_._,___

I've been told by a knowledgeable person that the Autosomal DNA test decreases in value from the person taking the test backward and is of little value past five generatins whereas the YDNA test can cover a much longer period but is narrower in scope. A wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test does not appear to explain that. If in doubt check with someone with more authoritative information than I have. George

No, I believe that the test is called the Autosomal DNA Test. The Family Finder is a tool to look at the results. On 8/12/2013 9:35 PM, Owen Stiles wrote: > Thanks for the response. Is that test called the "Family FInder" test? > >

Three companies offer autosomal DNA testing: Family Tree DNA (Family Finder); 23andme (Complete test, was Relative Finder); and AncestryDNA. All charge the same low price. If you test at FTDNA or 23andme you get your results compared to others in a way that tells you the location on each chromosome where you match. At AncestryDNA you only get their interpretation of who you match. No chromosome and location info. All three give you your raw data and you can transfer your 23andme and/or your AncestryDNA data to FTDNA. I recommend testing at 23andme first and then transferring the raw data to FTDNA and then testing at AncestryDNA and transferring that raw data either to FTDNA. Males should still get at least a 37 marker Y DNA test at FTDNA as well. GEDMATCH also offers the ability to match your results from one company to others people who have tested at another company if everyone uploads to GEDMATCH. I have tested with all three and uploaded my results to GEDMATCH. See the ISOGG Wiki for more information on testing: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart Steven On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Sam Campbell <samuelhcampbell@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Jim, > > Family Finder Is Offered When Testing At "FAMILY TREE MAKER / CAMPBELL > Lineage " & It Is a Test, As Is The 12, 24, 37, 64, 111 Markers Are . > > I Have Upgraded To The 111 Marker & " FAMILY FINDER TEST " Just > Recently When It Was On Sale. > > My Kit # Is . 22678 & Fountain Campbell ( 1803 Amherst County, VA. ) Is > My Earliest Proven Ancestor . > > ***** Frank Campbell Kit # 172652 & Earliest Proven Ancestor Is ; > Fountain Campbell ( 1803 ) And Our Results Aren't That Close .... > > > Sam Campbell > > > > > > From: ostiles@wcisp.com > > To: campbell@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:35:51 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Campbell] Check out Family Tree DNA - Campbell DNA Project > > > > Thanks for the response. Is that test called the "Family FInder" test? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Campbell > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:48 PM > > To: campbell@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Campbell] Check out Family Tree DNA - Campbell DNA Project > > > > > > The paternal (y-DNA) test only looks at the Y-chromosome. There are 45 > > other chromosomes for a total of 46. The autosomal test looks at all 46 > > chromosomes. There are something like 70,000 different areas in the 46 > > chromosomes that are compared. > > > > An important aspect of this is that it doesn't matter if you are male or > > female. > > > > Unknown to me, a first cousin once removed who is a female did the > > autosomal test. When the results came in the Family Finder section of > > FTDNA predicted that we were either first or second cousins. I have > > quite a few matches at the predicted second to fourth cousin level. A > > lot of them haven't posted their GEDCOMs and others that have posted > > have very incompete family trees. As more people participate I expect > > that some brick walls will come down. > > > > A known third cousin of mine was predicted to be third to fifth cousin. > > > > Where the y-DNA test only showed Campbells (or men that should be a > > Campbell) the autosomal test includes everyone in your direct ancestral > > line who are compared with all the direct ancestors of other people > > being tested. So far only a few Campbells show up in my Family Finder > > results. > > > > Jim Campbell > > Earliest proven ancestor: John D. Campbell (1812-1890) Catawba County, NC > > > > On 8/12/2013 3:44 PM, ostiles@wcisp.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is the difference in the 2 tests? The paternal is the y-DNA > > > test. 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Thanks. This is about what I thought the results would probably be (from just looking at the number of markers that are different between the two donors). Earl and Thomas probably share a common male Campbell ancestor who lived back in the 1500s or so <just maybe this could be our john campbell's father<BUT UMM IT COULD BE AANY ONE MAYBE BEFORE THE SUR NAME BECAME CAAMPBELL, CCOUSINS I AM SATISFIED TO SETTLE WITH MY 14 GENERATIONS. Some DNA websites might "combine" these donors into a "common family," while others would not. I suspect that some DNA websites consider any two people to be from the same family, whenever one donor is listed in the "matching section" of the other donor by FTDNA....without any regard to what the Tip Report might indicate COUSINS IF THIS MIGHT & MAYBE SO IS THE that tecknowlegey has to offer we are still at the starting gate, THATVWOULD EQUATE TO WE ARE KIN TO SOME ONE????

SECRECY, UNDER STOOD & ACEPTED, BUT WITH OT A DOUBT ONE OF THE GREATEST BRICK WALLS TO GENEALOGY ! ONE WILL EVER ENCOUNTER. NOW, IN LOCATEING FAMILY CONNECTION'S, I WOULD THINK, THAT KNOWING WHAT TIME ID THE RELITIVE; AS, AN ANCESTOR OR CURRENT as COUSIN?? PLEASE TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT POTENTIONAL, SUCH AS SIBLINGS OF JOHN MID 1600'S TO HIS <??> SIBLINGS, TO GEORGE CAMPBELL 1700<?> SIBLINGS TO GEORGE 1720 <??. SIBLINGS; RESEARCHERS ARE GOING TO GET OFF OF THAT PERSONABLE FAMILY RECORDS PHOBIA, BECAUSE SOME WHERE THERE IS FAMILY INFORMATION AS TO WHICH OF THE THREE FAMILIES U DESCEND; JOHN, TO SON GEORGE OR GRAND SON GEORGE OF 1720. COUSINS, UNTILL THE MALES OF THOUSE THREE FAMILIES ARE IDENTIFIED, WE DO NOT FOR SURE KNOW WHO WE MIGHT BE SWAPING ,D. N.A. WITH; NOW IF SERECY IS DESIRED, JUST POST so; YOUR <D. N. A.-----------TO <CAMPBELL ROOTS WEB, AS JOHN, GEORGE 1700, OR GEORGE 1720 THEN CUZ BUUCK OR KEVIN CAN TAKE THE CASE & THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD ONLY BBE KOWN TO Cuz BUCK OR CUZ KEVIN, OF WHICH EITHER ARE CABLE OF INTERING THAT <D. N. A. INFORMATION INTO THE FAMILY CIRCLE. COUSINS WE HAVE ONLY ONE MEMBER OF EACH OF THOSE THREE GENERATIONS, WHAT WE NEED IS <JOHNS, GEORGE 1700 & GEORGE 1720 SIBLINGS, WHICH WILL REQUIRE SOME COOPEREATION FROM THE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE SIBLINGS FOR EXAMMPLE, FOR ME. I WOULD PUT GEN ONE, JOHN MID 16 CENTRY, TO GEORGE 1700 TO GEORGE 1720 William GEORGE 1854, to Lawson 18--?, to Boss Josh, 1824 to jesse 1854, to TOM JOSH 1871 to Myra TO _______________CUZ BH & KEVIN WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE with the <D. N. A. but researchers would be abe to knoe if the <D. N. A Matched from our John Campbell & his descendants, instead of wondering, IF the doner came from our related members OR just some Campbell group like NOW. THIS way with out breaching secreasy I am confident that there are Campbell cousins out there who are just as interested in learning if there is a connection to their Campbell fanily & the george campbell that they see was born in 1720, Wondering Campbell SOME WHERE, OH YEA, I done seen quite a bit of information on A George campbell born in 1720, yep that was abtthe time oeriod of my GREAT GREAT GRAND Father, AHHHH, just maybe there could be A <D. N. A. match, AH see where tere is a couple Campbell family connections with that information <ask & answer questions some one knows> Cousins we have some good reseatchers, BUT I do not that we are goinf=g to get the big questin answered with just cousins that we KNOW CUZ AT O In a message dated 8/12/2013 5:53:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sylviacamdenray@cox.net write Hi Bill, At the 37 marker level Brent Campbell who is a descendant of Henry and Charity is a perfect 37/37 match to Earl Campbell. I don't think that Brent ever upgraded to a 67 marker kit. We now know that Henry, George, Lawrence, Francis, and Moses were pretty closely related. And somehow on the previous list all of those matches are close!! Sylvia

Jim, Family Finder Is Offered When Testing At "FAMILY TREE MAKER / CAMPBELL Lineage " & It Is a Test, As Is The 12, 24, 37, 64, 111 Markers Are . I Have Upgraded To The 111 Marker & " FAMILY FINDER TEST " Just Recently When It Was On Sale. My Kit # Is . 22678 & Fountain Campbell ( 1803 Amherst County, VA. ) Is My Earliest Proven Ancestor . ***** Frank Campbell Kit # 172652 & Earliest Proven Ancestor Is ; Fountain Campbell ( 1803 ) And Our Results Aren't That Close .... Sam Campbell > From: ostiles@wcisp.com > To: campbell@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:35:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Campbell] Check out Family Tree DNA - Campbell DNA Project > > Thanks for the response. Is that test called the "Family FInder" test? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Campbell > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:48 PM > To: campbell@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Campbell] Check out Family Tree DNA - Campbell DNA Project > > > The paternal (y-DNA) test only looks at the Y-chromosome. There are 45 > other chromosomes for a total of 46. The autosomal test looks at all 46 > chromosomes. There are something like 70,000 different areas in the 46 > chromosomes that are compared. > > An important aspect of this is that it doesn't matter if you are male or > female. > > Unknown to me, a first cousin once removed who is a female did the > autosomal test. When the results came in the Family Finder section of > FTDNA predicted that we were either first or second cousins. I have > quite a few matches at the predicted second to fourth cousin level. A > lot of them haven't posted their GEDCOMs and others that have posted > have very incompete family trees. As more people participate I expect > that some brick walls will come down. > > A known third cousin of mine was predicted to be third to fifth cousin. > > Where the y-DNA test only showed Campbells (or men that should be a > Campbell) the autosomal test includes everyone in your direct ancestral > line who are compared with all the direct ancestors of other people > being tested. So far only a few Campbells show up in my Family Finder > results. > > Jim Campbell > Earliest proven ancestor: John D. Campbell (1812-1890) Catawba County, NC > > On 8/12/2013 3:44 PM, ostiles@wcisp.com wrote: > > > > > > What is the difference in the 2 tests? The paternal is the y-DNA > > test. But what is the difference? > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:campbell-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAMPBELL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:campbell-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAMPBELL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The paternal (y-DNA) test only looks at the Y-chromosome. There are 45 other chromosomes for a total of 46. The autosomal test looks at all 46 chromosomes. There are something like 70,000 different areas in the 46 chromosomes that are compared. An important aspect of this is that it doesn't matter if you are male or female. Unknown to me, a first cousin once removed who is a female did the autosomal test. When the results came in the Family Finder section of FTDNA predicted that we were either first or second cousins. I have quite a few matches at the predicted second to fourth cousin level. A lot of them haven't posted their GEDCOMs and others that have posted have very incompete family trees. As more people participate I expect that some brick walls will come down. A known third cousin of mine was predicted to be third to fifth cousin. Where the y-DNA test only showed Campbells (or men that should be a Campbell) the autosomal test includes everyone in your direct ancestral line who are compared with all the direct ancestors of other people being tested. So far only a few Campbells show up in my Family Finder results. Jim Campbell Earliest proven ancestor: John D. Campbell (1812-1890) Catawba County, NC On 8/12/2013 3:44 PM, ostiles@wcisp.com wrote: > > > What is the difference in the 2 tests? The paternal is the y-DNA > test. But what is the difference? > >

Thanks for the response. Is that test called the "Family FInder" test? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Campbell Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:48 PM To: campbell@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Campbell] Check out Family Tree DNA - Campbell DNA Project The paternal (y-DNA) test only looks at the Y-chromosome. There are 45 other chromosomes for a total of 46. The autosomal test looks at all 46 chromosomes. There are something like 70,000 different areas in the 46 chromosomes that are compared. An important aspect of this is that it doesn't matter if you are male or female. Unknown to me, a first cousin once removed who is a female did the autosomal test. When the results came in the Family Finder section of FTDNA predicted that we were either first or second cousins. I have quite a few matches at the predicted second to fourth cousin level. A lot of them haven't posted their GEDCOMs and others that have posted have very incompete family trees. As more people participate I expect that some brick walls will come down. A known third cousin of mine was predicted to be third to fifth cousin. Where the y-DNA test only showed Campbells (or men that should be a Campbell) the autosomal test includes everyone in your direct ancestral line who are compared with all the direct ancestors of other people being tested. So far only a few Campbells show up in my Family Finder results. Jim Campbell Earliest proven ancestor: John D. Campbell (1812-1890) Catawba County, NC On 8/12/2013 3:44 PM, ostiles@wcisp.com wrote: > > > What is the difference in the 2 tests? The paternal is the y-DNA > test. But what is the difference? > > _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:campbell-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAMPBELL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And I urge as many Campbells as possible to get the Autosomal DNA test. But PLEASE submit a list of your direct ancestors. It is done by submitting a GEDCOM. I have near-matches in the FTDNA FamilyFinder who haven't included a list of their direct ancestors. I can only ask why would someone go to the expense of getting their Autosomal DNA checked and not show their direct ancestors? The only answer that I can find is that they want to match up with others but don't want others to match up with them. Jim Campbell Earliest proven Campbell ancestor: John D. Campbell (1812-1890) Catawba County, NC On 8/11/2013 8:30 PM, Lorne Campbell wrote: > I urge all Campbells to get their paternal DNA tested. > You might be surprised. I was! > Lorne > >