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    1. Re: [Campbell] More Campbells of Argyll
    2. Trista
    3. You are correct, sorry, Archibald was born 1784 and Malcolm 1786 in North Knapdale. I don't think this is the same line though. Archibald first married Christine(unknown last name) in Scotland and had three children, 2 girls and a boy. Christine died after they moved to Caradoc, ON and he later married Isabella Morrison, daughter of Dugald Morrison. Archibald and Isabella had 4 sons and 2 daughters. They did have a Donald born in 1833 in Caradoc. Archibald was born May 27, 1784 and died April 3, 1857 and is buried in the Campbell Cemetery in Caradoc, Middlesex, ON. I appreciate the reply. Have a great day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "AnnE Austin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Campbell] More Campbells of Argyll >I have an Archibald Campbell from Scotland in my tree. Archibald had 5 > sons, 2 daughters, one being Donald Campbell as #2 in line. Donald married > a > Catherine McDonald. Don't have any dates for them. Do have a date for a > son of Donald and Catherine's that being my great grandfather, John B. > Campbell, born Madoc Canada 1849. He married a Florence Corsaut. > > You have your Archibald and Malcolm with the same birth year of 1786. This > correct? > > Not sure if this fits in anywhere with your family. > > Regards, AnnE > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Trista" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:21 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [Campbell] More Campbells of Argyll > > Hi there...just looking to compare notes or get help or advice. > I, like many others, having been tracing my family and thus far have > traced > back to the late 1700's in North Knapdale, Argyleshire, Scotland. More > specifically, possibly Killsport or Castle Sween. > The relations that I have so far confirmed go back to Archibald Campbell, > b. > 1786 in North Knapdale, first married Christine?? and had children > Isabella > b. 1815, Margaret b. 1816 and James. Archibalds brother is Malcolm > Campbell > b. 1786, married Mary Smith January 26, 1811, children Christian b. 1812, > Donald b. 1814, baby boy b. 1816, Duncan B. 1825 (in Canada), Margaret > Campbell b. 1828 who married John Tuckey, Joseph b. 1829 and Benjamin b. > 1831. Archibald and Malcolm emigrated to Canada on the Hope or Harmony in > 1819 and were the first to settle in the township of Caradoc, in Middlesex > Ontario. >>From what I have seen on a website call "knapdalepeople", the parents of >>Malcom and Archibald are Donald Campbell and Isabella McLellan. This has >>been confirmed through a book called "Some sketched of the early Highland >>pioneers of the county of Middlesex." > I have no further info on Donald and Isabella and I am just wondering if > anyone else may have come across them in their trees? > Am also wondering if there is infact a large Duke of Argyll tree as my > grandmother insists that our line goes back to a Duke of Argyll, one whom > aparantly lost a ship??? > I have much more information stemming down from Malcolm and Archibald, but > am looking to go further back from Donald and Isabella. > Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated, > Thanks!!! > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2764 - Release Date: 03/22/10 12:44:00

    03/23/2010 05:11:33
    1. Re: [Campbell] More Campbells of Argyll
    2. AnnE Austin
    3. I have an Archibald Campbell from Scotland in my tree. Archibald had 5 sons, 2 daughters, one being Donald Campbell as #2 in line. Donald married a Catherine McDonald. Don't have any dates for them. Do have a date for a son of Donald and Catherine's that being my great grandfather, John B. Campbell, born Madoc Canada 1849. He married a Florence Corsaut. You have your Archibald and Malcolm with the same birth year of 1786. This correct? Not sure if this fits in anywhere with your family. Regards, AnnE -------------------------------------------------- From: "Trista" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:21 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Campbell] More Campbells of Argyll Hi there...just looking to compare notes or get help or advice. I, like many others, having been tracing my family and thus far have traced back to the late 1700's in North Knapdale, Argyleshire, Scotland. More specifically, possibly Killsport or Castle Sween. The relations that I have so far confirmed go back to Archibald Campbell, b. 1786 in North Knapdale, first married Christine?? and had children Isabella b. 1815, Margaret b. 1816 and James. Archibalds brother is Malcolm Campbell b. 1786, married Mary Smith January 26, 1811, children Christian b. 1812, Donald b. 1814, baby boy b. 1816, Duncan B. 1825 (in Canada), Margaret Campbell b. 1828 who married John Tuckey, Joseph b. 1829 and Benjamin b. 1831. Archibald and Malcolm emigrated to Canada on the Hope or Harmony in 1819 and were the first to settle in the township of Caradoc, in Middlesex Ontario. >From what I have seen on a website call "knapdalepeople", the parents of >Malcom and Archibald are Donald Campbell and Isabella McLellan. This has >been confirmed through a book called "Some sketched of the early Highland >pioneers of the county of Middlesex." I have no further info on Donald and Isabella and I am just wondering if anyone else may have come across them in their trees? Am also wondering if there is infact a large Duke of Argyll tree as my grandmother insists that our line goes back to a Duke of Argyll, one whom aparantly lost a ship??? I have much more information stemming down from Malcolm and Archibald, but am looking to go further back from Donald and Isabella. Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!!! _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/23/2010 04:15:30
    1. [Campbell] More Campbells of Argyll
    2. Trista
    3. Hi there...just looking to compare notes or get help or advice. I, like many others, having been tracing my family and thus far have traced back to the late 1700's in North Knapdale, Argyleshire, Scotland. More specifically, possibly Killsport or Castle Sween. The relations that I have so far confirmed go back to Archibald Campbell, b. 1786 in North Knapdale, first married Christine?? and had children Isabella b. 1815, Margaret b. 1816 and James. Archibalds brother is Malcolm Campbell b. 1786, married Mary Smith January 26, 1811, children Christian b. 1812, Donald b. 1814, baby boy b. 1816, Duncan B. 1825 (in Canada), Margaret Campbell b. 1828 who married John Tuckey, Joseph b. 1829 and Benjamin b. 1831. Archibald and Malcolm emigrated to Canada on the Hope or Harmony in 1819 and were the first to settle in the township of Caradoc, in Middlesex Ontario. >From what I have seen on a website call "knapdalepeople", the parents of Malcom and Archibald are Donald Campbell and Isabella McLellan. This has been confirmed through a book called "Some sketched of the early Highland pioneers of the county of Middlesex." I have no further info on Donald and Isabella and I am just wondering if anyone else may have come across them in their trees? Am also wondering if there is infact a large Duke of Argyll tree as my grandmother insists that our line goes back to a Duke of Argyll, one whom aparantly lost a ship??? I have much more information stemming down from Malcolm and Archibald, but am looking to go further back from Donald and Isabella. Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!!!

    03/22/2010 03:21:51
    1. [Campbell] Looking for parents of William Coleman Campbell
    2. Beverly Luther
    3. I am the GGGGranddaughter of William Coleman (known as Colie) Cameron Campbell born in Salem, Va on June 2, 1808.  He moved to Franklin, NC where he died.  A census said his father was born in Ireland and his mother was born in VA.  I am trying to find his parents and then trace the Campbell family back to Ireland and Scotland.  If anyone has any info would you please contact me at [email protected] Bev Luther

    03/22/2010 01:07:41
    1. Re: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell.../read reply
    2. Gerry Raudzens
    3. HI DO ANY OF YOU COME FROM THE ISLE OF MULL.MANY CAMPBELLS WENT TO CANADA.MY ONE WAS HECTOR CAMPBELL .HAD AGREAT TIME IN THE GATHERING AND THEN TO MULL.BEING FEMALE I KNOW I CAN BE FRIENDS TO MEN.ALSO YOU GUYS MIGHT BE COUSINS.MY MY ONY MEN ARE IN MONTANA. GERALDINE BORN CANADA KNOW AUS. ALSO I AM IN THECAMPBELL SOCCIETY OF AUSTRALIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "THL Leasing" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell.../read reply > sounds good to me..we were @ the castle last year.but were informed it is > not a castle as it doesn't have a moot so therefore is a manor > house.............since the marriage to the cadbury heiress most of time > is > spent in london with children now going to school..up to now all campbells > were schooled in the village.........it is also interesting that the > lands > and castle were formerally at the other end of the lock one of the > dukes > didn't seem to like his scenery so he had a whole village moved and built > his home where it now stands....the village is charming as is the old > hotel > where we had lunch....would like to continue this as the chart room was > close ddue to some new construction going on..so was unable to piece us > together...I asked our guide of he was a Campbell and the answer was HELL > No..........he had the biggest hands I have ever seen he picked up a log > as > if it was a tooth pick and laid it on the fire....I was happy to see we > have > the same china laid out on dinning room table......on and on .we have a gr > daughter there this week so hoping she will see same......mjt...many > thanks > to auntie...what part of the world are you in????we are in Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jason poe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 AM > Subject: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell... > > >> Just jumping right in here: >> >> My great aunt discovered the internet in her retirement, she's actually > rather savvy now. >> Aunt Jeep managed to compile the family history. We're Rhea's now (I'm > specifically a Poe), but she had identified the origins of that name as > being the name taken by an escapee from the Isle of Mann. He was exiled > there for Treason against the Crowne. (The story goes that) his name was > Campbell, a Scot, and he was at that time the 13th Earl of Argyle, > descendant of the first Campbell. Colin of the Black Clan, territorially > located in the foothills of the Caledonian Highlands during the time of > the > initial Roman invasion, making them the first Highlanders' encountered by > those dirty Romans ( I jest, I'm sure they were a clean people...) The > story > goes that Colin was given the Campbell as a "trophy" of sorts from a > guerrilla raid upon a Roman battle camp; which he led, being the son of > the > battle chief. (apparently, these boys ROUTED the Romani, and forced a > rethinking of Roman strategy in Caledonia.) >> [side note: Aunt Jeep's 'history' also states that the common trophies > taken by the warriors of the Black Clan were EARS and SCALPS, which is one > of the reasons for >> them being regarded as a very fierce "don't-jack-with'em" Clan.] >> >> I've read that Torquhil is the 13th AND 4th Earl of Argyle... the timing > works out in such a way as to make me believe that it's possible for > Torquhil's lineage to have "taken over" the Earldom after the exile of my > ancestor (Rhea #1), his subsequent escape to the Isle of Erie and adoption > of the name Rhea... >> >> Any thoughts? Any evidence to support or contradict this version of > events? Aunt Jeep is not given to flights of fancy and has always (from > what > I've been given to understand) been an astute and dedicated student; I > can't > believe that she'd be that far wrong about something like this. >> When I was a boy, she had made every son of the generation (19 of us) a > full kilt and regalia in the Clan Tartan (though I didn'a know that term > waaaay back then)... It is almost identical to the currently accepted > Campbell Tarten, with the exception of an extra blue line in the current > Tartan. (ours' shows a double green bar, double blue bar, double green > bar... it doesn't have the thin blue line in between the double blue > bar...?!?!?...) >> >> Anywho, I do acknowledge Torquhil Ian Campbell as my Chief... but do I > have the hereditary lines behind that? Or am I a different kind of > Campbell > altogether? >> ANY help will most appreciated! >> >> >> Thank You, >> Jason Rhea Poe >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> Remember to search the archives use this address >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL >> >> Browse the archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ >> >> Contact the List Manager >> mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 > 07:33:00 > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4963 (20100321) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4963 (20100321) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

    03/22/2010 04:13:52
    1. Re: [Campbell] Fwd: DNA - another alternative
    2. steven perkins
    3. A.T. Where is he trying to submit the chart? Is this the chart I linked to? If so, he should save it and he emails it to the people he matches. Regards, Steven On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello  to, Steven C. Perkins>  CUZ  My Late  Mother Was an Amherst County > Va Campbell, > I FWD,ed your Email to My Cousin SGT Sam Campbrll, This isb  his experence, > Can you Help him Thanks.  CUZ A T   <[email protected]> > > > > ____________________________________ >  From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: 3/21/2010  5:19:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > Subj: Re: Fwd: [Campbell] DNA - another  alternative > > > > A.T., > >  I  Filled Out The Chart & Then  Tried Several Times To Submitt It With No > Luck  ................. > >  I  Don't Know If They Are Accepting  Information Or Not !!!!!!!!!! > > >  Cuz, > >  Sam  Campbell > > > > > -- Steven C. Perkins [email protected] http://stevencperkins.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/

    03/21/2010 04:30:53
    1. Re: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell.../read reply
    2. Malcolm Campbell
    3. How about CAMPBELLs from Islay, Scotland? Malcom CAMPBELL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Raudzens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell.../read reply > HI DO ANY OF YOU COME FROM THE ISLE OF MULL.MANY CAMPBELLS WENT > TO CANADA.MY ONE WAS HECTOR CAMPBELL .HAD AGREAT TIME IN THE GATHERING AND > THEN TO MULL.BEING FEMALE I KNOW I CAN BE FRIENDS TO MEN.ALSO YOU GUYS > MIGHT > BE COUSINS.MY MY ONY MEN ARE IN MONTANA. > > GERALDINE BORN CANADA KNOW AUS. ALSO I AM IN THECAMPBELL SOCCIETY OF > AUSTRALIA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "THL Leasing" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell.../read reply > > >> sounds good to me..we were @ the castle last year.but were informed it is >> not a castle as it doesn't have a moot so therefore is a manor >> house.............since the marriage to the cadbury heiress most of time >> is >> spent in london with children now going to school..up to now all >> campbells >> were schooled in the village.........it is also interesting that the >> lands >> and castle were formerally at the other end of the lock one of the >> dukes >> didn't seem to like his scenery so he had a whole village moved and built >> his home where it now stands....the village is charming as is the old >> hotel >> where we had lunch....would like to continue this as the chart room was >> close ddue to some new construction going on..so was unable to piece us >> together...I asked our guide of he was a Campbell and the answer was HELL >> No..........he had the biggest hands I have ever seen he picked up a log >> as >> if it was a tooth pick and laid it on the fire....I was happy to see we >> have >> the same china laid out on dinning room table......on and on .we have a >> gr >> daughter there this week so hoping she will see same......mjt...many >> thanks >> to auntie...what part of the world are you in????we are in Canada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jason poe" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 AM >> Subject: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell... >> >> >>> Just jumping right in here: >>> >>> My great aunt discovered the internet in her retirement, she's actually >> rather savvy now. >>> Aunt Jeep managed to compile the family history. We're Rhea's now (I'm >> specifically a Poe), but she had identified the origins of that name as >> being the name taken by an escapee from the Isle of Mann. He was exiled >> there for Treason against the Crowne. (The story goes that) his name was >> Campbell, a Scot, and he was at that time the 13th Earl of Argyle, >> descendant of the first Campbell. Colin of the Black Clan, territorially >> located in the foothills of the Caledonian Highlands during the time of >> the >> initial Roman invasion, making them the first Highlanders' encountered by >> those dirty Romans ( I jest, I'm sure they were a clean people...) The >> story >> goes that Colin was given the Campbell as a "trophy" of sorts from a >> guerrilla raid upon a Roman battle camp; which he led, being the son of >> the >> battle chief. (apparently, these boys ROUTED the Romani, and forced a >> rethinking of Roman strategy in Caledonia.) >>> [side note: Aunt Jeep's 'history' also states that the common trophies >> taken by the warriors of the Black Clan were EARS and SCALPS, which is >> one >> of the reasons for >>> them being regarded as a very fierce "don't-jack-with'em" Clan.] >>> >>> I've read that Torquhil is the 13th AND 4th Earl of Argyle... the timing >> works out in such a way as to make me believe that it's possible for >> Torquhil's lineage to have "taken over" the Earldom after the exile of my >> ancestor (Rhea #1), his subsequent escape to the Isle of Erie and >> adoption >> of the name Rhea... >>> >>> Any thoughts? Any evidence to support or contradict this version of >> events? Aunt Jeep is not given to flights of fancy and has always (from >> what >> I've been given to understand) been an astute and dedicated student; I >> can't >> believe that she'd be that far wrong about something like this. >>> When I was a boy, she had made every son of the generation (19 of us) a >> full kilt and regalia in the Clan Tartan (though I didn'a know that term >> waaaay back then)... It is almost identical to the currently accepted >> Campbell Tarten, with the exception of an extra blue line in the current >> Tartan. (ours' shows a double green bar, double blue bar, double green >> bar... it doesn't have the thin blue line in between the double blue >> bar...?!?!?...) >>> >>> Anywho, I do acknowledge Torquhil Ian Campbell as my Chief... but do I >> have the hereditary lines behind that? Or am I a different kind of >> Campbell >> altogether? >>> ANY help will most appreciated! >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> Jason Rhea Poe >>>

    03/21/2010 03:03:31
    1. [Campbell] Fwd: DNA - another alternative
    2. Hello to, Steven C. Perkins> CUZ My Late Mother Was an Amherst County Va Campbell, I FWD,ed your Email to My Cousin SGT Sam Campbrll, This isb his experence, Can you Help him Thanks. CUZ A T <[email protected]> ____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 3/21/2010 5:19:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: Fwd: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative A.T., I Filled Out The Chart & Then Tried Several Times To Submitt It With No Luck ................. I Don't Know If They Are Accepting Information Or Not !!!!!!!!!! Cuz, Sam Campbell --- On Sun, 3/21/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Fwd: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:17 PM Thought YA,LL may care to se this CUZ A T ____________________________________ From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 3/21/2010 10:54:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative Leonard: I am a participant in the 23andme Relative Finder program. I currently have 327 people who match me on various of my autosomal markers. 53 of them are comparing genomes with me and I have identified either the ancestral couple we share, or the common surname we share with 6 of them. The relationships run from 3rd cousins to 10th cousins once removed. In the latter case it has confirmed our descent from a couple in VA in the mid 1600s. This also allows me to confirm some other descents from my paper documentation. FTDNA's Family Finder will work in the same way. To get the most benefit from using it you need to know as much as possible of your full ancestry. I suggest that you have at least a 6 generation pedigree chart to exchange with people who match you. One is available here: http://www.misbach.org/pdfcharts/pedigree_chart.pdf that you can download, save, fill out and email to people who match you. If you use genealogy software it can probably create the chart for you. Only you can decide if it is worth the cost, but I have found 23andme's Relative Finder useful and I expect to get even more connections from FTDNA's Family Finder since the FTDNA database is larger and most people in the database are genealogists. Regards, Steven C Perkins (I have 9 DNA studies at FTDNA) On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Leonard Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > caveat emptor! > > Who was the person sending this along? The person selling it? > > How is the DNA test going to show anything different than what the > current test is doing? How are the genes and the matches going to > show anything different? > > One of the needs to show relationships is a large database of > information to compare. I'd want to see the data that the autosomal > chromosomes are a proven method to prove relationships before spending > "*$249* (what a deal!). And the testing for testing doesn't even > start until the middle of March. Almost sounds too good to be > true......... > > At least the Campbell DNA project shows up front that this is not > possible and only shows probabilities. > > -- Steven C. Perkins [email protected] http://stevencperkins.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2010 01:22:53
    1. Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative/reply
    2. Bruce Campbell
    3. An outstanding article in the latest edition of the Clan Campbell "Journal" written by David Stedman, Secretary of the CCSNA & Historian of the St Andrew's Society of Philadelphia ----- Original Message ----- From: "THL Leasing" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative/reply > no male relatives to check..interested in dukes of argyle.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steven perkins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative > > > Leonard: > > I am a participant in the 23andme Relative Finder program. I > currently have 327 people who match me on various of my autosomal > markers. 53 of them are comparing genomes with me and I have > identified either the ancestral couple we share, or the common surname > we share with 6 of them. The relationships run from 3rd cousins to > 10th cousins once removed. In the latter case it has confirmed our > descent from a couple in VA in the mid 1600s. This also allows me to > confirm some other descents from my paper documentation. > > FTDNA's Family Finder will work in the same way. To get the most > benefit from using it you need to know as much as possible of your > full ancestry. I suggest that you have at least a 6 generation > pedigree chart to exchange with people who match you. One is > available here: http://www.misbach.org/pdfcharts/pedigree_chart.pdf > that you can download, save, fill out and email to people who match > you. If you use genealogy software it can probably create the chart > for you. > > Only you can decide if it is worth the cost, but I have found > 23andme's Relative Finder useful and I expect to get even more > connections from FTDNA's Family Finder since the FTDNA database is > larger and most people in the database are genealogists. > > Regards, > > Steven C Perkins > (I have 9 DNA studies at FTDNA) > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Leonard Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: >> caveat emptor! >> >> Who was the person sending this along? The person selling it? >> >> How is the DNA test going to show anything different than what the >> current test is doing? How are the genes and the matches going to >> show anything different? >> >> One of the needs to show relationships is a large database of >> information to compare. I'd want to see the data that the autosomal >> chromosomes are a proven method to prove relationships before spending >> "*$249* (what a deal!). And the testing for testing doesn't even >> start until the middle of March. Almost sounds too good to be >> true......... >> >> At least the Campbell DNA project shows up front that this is not >> possible and only shows probabilities. >> >> > > -- > Steven C. Perkins [email protected] > http://stevencperkins.com/ > Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy > http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ > Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Page > http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html > Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog > http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 > 07:33:00 > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2010 12:32:38
    1. Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative/read
    2. THL Leasing
    3. interested in linage from dukes of argyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven perkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative Leonard: I am a participant in the 23andme Relative Finder program. I currently have 327 people who match me on various of my autosomal markers. 53 of them are comparing genomes with me and I have identified either the ancestral couple we share, or the common surname we share with 6 of them. The relationships run from 3rd cousins to 10th cousins once removed. In the latter case it has confirmed our descent from a couple in VA in the mid 1600s. This also allows me to confirm some other descents from my paper documentation. FTDNA's Family Finder will work in the same way. To get the most benefit from using it you need to know as much as possible of your full ancestry. I suggest that you have at least a 6 generation pedigree chart to exchange with people who match you. One is available here: http://www.misbach.org/pdfcharts/pedigree_chart.pdf that you can download, save, fill out and email to people who match you. If you use genealogy software it can probably create the chart for you. Only you can decide if it is worth the cost, but I have found 23andme's Relative Finder useful and I expect to get even more connections from FTDNA's Family Finder since the FTDNA database is larger and most people in the database are genealogists. Regards, Steven C Perkins (I have 9 DNA studies at FTDNA) On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Leonard Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > caveat emptor! > > Who was the person sending this along? The person selling it? > > How is the DNA test going to show anything different than what the > current test is doing? How are the genes and the matches going to > show anything different? > > One of the needs to show relationships is a large database of > information to compare. I'd want to see the data that the autosomal > chromosomes are a proven method to prove relationships before spending > "*$249* (what a deal!). And the testing for testing doesn't even > start until the middle of March. Almost sounds too good to be > true......... > > At least the Campbell DNA project shows up front that this is not > possible and only shows probabilities. > > -- Steven C. Perkins [email protected] http://stevencperkins.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 07:33:00

    03/21/2010 11:39:34
    1. Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative/reply
    2. THL Leasing
    3. no male relatives to check..interested in dukes of argyle.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven perkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative Leonard: I am a participant in the 23andme Relative Finder program. I currently have 327 people who match me on various of my autosomal markers. 53 of them are comparing genomes with me and I have identified either the ancestral couple we share, or the common surname we share with 6 of them. The relationships run from 3rd cousins to 10th cousins once removed. In the latter case it has confirmed our descent from a couple in VA in the mid 1600s. This also allows me to confirm some other descents from my paper documentation. FTDNA's Family Finder will work in the same way. To get the most benefit from using it you need to know as much as possible of your full ancestry. I suggest that you have at least a 6 generation pedigree chart to exchange with people who match you. One is available here: http://www.misbach.org/pdfcharts/pedigree_chart.pdf that you can download, save, fill out and email to people who match you. If you use genealogy software it can probably create the chart for you. Only you can decide if it is worth the cost, but I have found 23andme's Relative Finder useful and I expect to get even more connections from FTDNA's Family Finder since the FTDNA database is larger and most people in the database are genealogists. Regards, Steven C Perkins (I have 9 DNA studies at FTDNA) On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Leonard Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > caveat emptor! > > Who was the person sending this along? The person selling it? > > How is the DNA test going to show anything different than what the > current test is doing? How are the genes and the matches going to > show anything different? > > One of the needs to show relationships is a large database of > information to compare. I'd want to see the data that the autosomal > chromosomes are a proven method to prove relationships before spending > "*$249* (what a deal!). And the testing for testing doesn't even > start until the middle of March. Almost sounds too good to be > true......... > > At least the Campbell DNA project shows up front that this is not > possible and only shows probabilities. > > -- Steven C. Perkins [email protected] http://stevencperkins.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________ Remember to search the archives use this address http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL Browse the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ Contact the List Manager mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 07:33:00

    03/21/2010 11:37:51
    1. Re: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell.../read reply
    2. THL Leasing
    3. sounds good to me..we were @ the castle last year.but were informed it is not a castle as it doesn't have a moot so therefore is a manor house.............since the marriage to the cadbury heiress most of time is spent in london with children now going to school..up to now all campbells were schooled in the village.........it is also interesting that the lands and castle were formerally at the other end of the lock one of the dukes didn't seem to like his scenery so he had a whole village moved and built his home where it now stands....the village is charming as is the old hotel where we had lunch....would like to continue this as the chart room was close ddue to some new construction going on..so was unable to piece us together...I asked our guide of he was a Campbell and the answer was HELL No..........he had the biggest hands I have ever seen he picked up a log as if it was a tooth pick and laid it on the fire....I was happy to see we have the same china laid out on dinning room table......on and on .we have a gr daughter there this week so hoping she will see same......mjt...many thanks to auntie...what part of the world are you in????we are in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason poe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 AM Subject: [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell... > Just jumping right in here: > > My great aunt discovered the internet in her retirement, she's actually rather savvy now. > Aunt Jeep managed to compile the family history. We're Rhea's now (I'm specifically a Poe), but she had identified the origins of that name as being the name taken by an escapee from the Isle of Mann. He was exiled there for Treason against the Crowne. (The story goes that) his name was Campbell, a Scot, and he was at that time the 13th Earl of Argyle, descendant of the first Campbell. Colin of the Black Clan, territorially located in the foothills of the Caledonian Highlands during the time of the initial Roman invasion, making them the first Highlanders' encountered by those dirty Romans ( I jest, I'm sure they were a clean people...) The story goes that Colin was given the Campbell as a "trophy" of sorts from a guerrilla raid upon a Roman battle camp; which he led, being the son of the battle chief. (apparently, these boys ROUTED the Romani, and forced a rethinking of Roman strategy in Caledonia.) > [side note: Aunt Jeep's 'history' also states that the common trophies taken by the warriors of the Black Clan were EARS and SCALPS, which is one of the reasons for > them being regarded as a very fierce "don't-jack-with'em" Clan.] > > I've read that Torquhil is the 13th AND 4th Earl of Argyle... the timing works out in such a way as to make me believe that it's possible for Torquhil's lineage to have "taken over" the Earldom after the exile of my ancestor (Rhea #1), his subsequent escape to the Isle of Erie and adoption of the name Rhea... > > Any thoughts? Any evidence to support or contradict this version of events? Aunt Jeep is not given to flights of fancy and has always (from what I've been given to understand) been an astute and dedicated student; I can't believe that she'd be that far wrong about something like this. > When I was a boy, she had made every son of the generation (19 of us) a full kilt and regalia in the Clan Tartan (though I didn'a know that term waaaay back then)... It is almost identical to the currently accepted Campbell Tarten, with the exception of an extra blue line in the current Tartan. (ours' shows a double green bar, double blue bar, double green bar... it doesn't have the thin blue line in between the double blue bar...?!?!?...) > > Anywho, I do acknowledge Torquhil Ian Campbell as my Chief... but do I have the hereditary lines behind that? Or am I a different kind of Campbell altogether? > ANY help will most appreciated! > > > Thank You, > Jason Rhea Poe > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 07:33:00

    03/21/2010 11:29:41
    1. Re: [Campbell] My Campbell cousins/thanks
    2. THL Leasing
    3. looking forward to have the time to see if we are connected.........re dukes of argyle.happy to hear all are o k ..mjt..... Campbell MacIntyre now Tuffin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 5:25 AM Subject: [Campbell] My Campbell cousins > I've been doing our family genealogy research for over 16 years, and just recently managed to get our full tree in a searchable format, online! I was born in Birmingham, AL, but I now live in Chile about 75 miles from the epicenter of the recent massive 8.8 earthquake, and yes it was a horrible experience and we thought it was the "end" for us. But we made it through ok, and our home sustained only minor damage. But now the continuing aftershocks are very worrying. > > For my cousins and all relatives with surname Campbell, my new website has almost 6900 relatives in our family tree that you may look at and study/search at your convenience. My site: http://cdagro.com/TNG/ just click on that link and it should work. I am not perfect, and if you find errors, or additions that need to be made, please let me know! You can search for any names and see if they are already included in the tree. I am especially interested in descendants of the Campbells that are presently in my tree. Thanks, Dean > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2759 - Release Date: 03/20/10 07:33:00

    03/21/2010 11:18:05
    1. Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative
    2. steven perkins
    3. Leonard: I am a participant in the 23andme Relative Finder program. I currently have 327 people who match me on various of my autosomal markers. 53 of them are comparing genomes with me and I have identified either the ancestral couple we share, or the common surname we share with 6 of them. The relationships run from 3rd cousins to 10th cousins once removed. In the latter case it has confirmed our descent from a couple in VA in the mid 1600s. This also allows me to confirm some other descents from my paper documentation. FTDNA's Family Finder will work in the same way. To get the most benefit from using it you need to know as much as possible of your full ancestry. I suggest that you have at least a 6 generation pedigree chart to exchange with people who match you. One is available here: http://www.misbach.org/pdfcharts/pedigree_chart.pdf that you can download, save, fill out and email to people who match you. If you use genealogy software it can probably create the chart for you. Only you can decide if it is worth the cost, but I have found 23andme's Relative Finder useful and I expect to get even more connections from FTDNA's Family Finder since the FTDNA database is larger and most people in the database are genealogists. Regards, Steven C Perkins (I have 9 DNA studies at FTDNA) On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Leonard Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > caveat emptor! > > Who was the person sending this along?   The person selling it? > > How is the DNA test going to show anything different than what the > current test is doing?  How are the genes and the matches going to > show anything different? > > One of the needs to show relationships is a large database of > information to compare.  I'd want to see the data that the autosomal > chromosomes are a proven method to prove relationships before spending > "*$249* (what a deal!).  And the testing for testing doesn't even > start until the middle of March.  Almost sounds too good to be > true......... > > At least the Campbell DNA project shows up front that this is not > possible and only shows probabilities. > > -- Steven C. Perkins [email protected] http://stevencperkins.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html Steven C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/

    03/21/2010 04:53:41
    1. [Campbell] I may be the wrong kind of Campbell...
    2. jason poe
    3. Just jumping right in here: My great aunt discovered the internet in her retirement, she's actually rather savvy now. Aunt Jeep managed to compile the family history. We're Rhea's now (I'm specifically a Poe), but she had identified the origins of that name as being the name taken by an escapee from the Isle of Mann. He was exiled there for Treason against the Crowne. (The story goes that) his name was Campbell, a Scot, and he was at that time the 13th Earl of Argyle, descendant of the first Campbell. Colin of the Black Clan, territorially located in the foothills of the Caledonian Highlands during the time of the initial Roman invasion, making them the first Highlanders' encountered by those dirty Romans ( I jest, I'm sure they were a clean people...) The story goes that Colin was given the Campbell as a "trophy" of sorts from a guerrilla raid upon a Roman battle camp; which he led, being the son of the battle chief. (apparently, these boys ROUTED the Romani, and forced a rethinking of Roman strategy in Caledonia.) [side note: Aunt Jeep's 'history' also states that the common trophies taken by the warriors of the Black Clan were EARS and SCALPS, which is one of the reasons for them being regarded as a very fierce "don't-jack-with'em" Clan.] I've read that Torquhil is the 13th AND 4th Earl of Argyle... the timing works out in such a way as to make me believe that it's possible for Torquhil's lineage to have "taken over" the Earldom after the exile of my ancestor (Rhea #1), his subsequent escape to the Isle of Erie and adoption of the name Rhea... Any thoughts? Any evidence to support or contradict this version of events? Aunt Jeep is not given to flights of fancy and has always (from what I've been given to understand) been an astute and dedicated student; I can't believe that she'd be that far wrong about something like this. When I was a boy, she had made every son of the generation (19 of us) a full kilt and regalia in the Clan Tartan (though I didn'a know that term waaaay back then)... It is almost identical to the currently accepted Campbell Tarten, with the exception of an extra blue line in the current Tartan. (ours' shows a double green bar, double blue bar, double green bar... it doesn't have the thin blue line in between the double blue bar...?!?!?...) Anywho, I do acknowledge Torquhil Ian Campbell as my Chief... but do I have the hereditary lines behind that? Or am I a different kind of Campbell altogether? ANY help will most appreciated! Thank You, Jason Rhea Poe

    03/20/2010 07:48:04
    1. [Campbell] My Campbell cousins
    2. Dean Moore
    3. I've been doing our family genealogy research for over 16 years, and just recently managed to get our full tree in a searchable format, online! I was born in Birmingham, AL, but I now live in Chile about 75 miles from the epicenter of the recent massive 8.8 earthquake, and yes it was a horrible experience and we thought it was the "end" for us. But we made it through ok, and our home sustained only minor damage. But now the continuing aftershocks are very worrying. For my cousins and all relatives with surname Campbell, my new website has almost 6900 relatives in our family tree that you may look at and study/search at your convenience. My site: http://cdagro.com/TNG/ just click on that link and it should work. I am not perfect, and if you find errors, or additions that need to be made, please let me know! You can search for any names and see if they are already included in the tree. I am especially interested in descendants of the Campbells that are presently in my tree. Thanks, Dean

    03/19/2010 09:25:51
    1. Re: [Campbell] Daisy CAMPBELL born 1895 in North Carolina
    2. Carol Beaver
    3. Thank you for your very helpful information.  The WOOTEN line I am researching is that of my son-in-law.  Daisy CAMPBELL and Enoch Kelsey WOOTEN were his great-grandparents.   Carol --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Larry <[email protected]> wrote: From: Larry <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Campbell] Daisy CAMPBELL born 1895 in North Carolina To: [email protected] Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 3:18 AM Carol, According to the 1910 census, in Eagle Mills Township of Iredell County, NC , shows Alfred F born 1843, Mary E born 1854 (married 1870) , Arthur born 1892 and Daisy born 1896.

    03/19/2010 01:44:13
    1. Re: [Campbell] Daisy CAMPBELL born 1895 in North Carolina
    2. Larry
    3. Carol, According to the 1910 census, in Eagle Mills Township of Iredell County, NC , shows Alfred F born 1843, Mary E born 1854 (married 1870) , Arthur born 1892 and Daisy born 1896. NC death records show Alfred F Campbell, 22 Aug 1843, in NC, died 3 Feb 1917, Buck Shoals, Hamptonville, Yadkin Co, NC. Father, William Campbell. The line between Eagle Mills Township and Yadkin County has moved according to who said what and wanted to be in which county and often claimed no county but paid taxes where they had to. Alfred's wife was listed as Mary E, born 1854. Their neighbors were Campbells and Wootens. There was three sets of Campbells in the area, I should say neighborhood, at that time and multiple Wootens also. The two major groups were the Percihull Campbells in Union Grove and the Aeneas Campbells in Cool Springs/Harmony. There was at least three more families of Campbells within reasonable distance. I received a lengthy printout from another group a few days ago and have not read through it yet. William Campbells are more common here than John Smiths. Several searches found no death record for Mary E. Hope this is a point in the right direction. Larry Campbell Harmony, NC Oh, Daisy was born 27 Jun 1895 and died 26 Aug 1988. I have lots of Wootens but not this one yet. LC Carol Beaver wrote: > The 1900 census for Yadkin Co NC shows Daisy CAMPBELL, with father appearing to be Alford. I was looking at the images a familysearch.org for this census. Alford's name is at bottom of page preceeding page Daisy is on. It is so dark I cannot read the date of birth for Alford and name of spouse appears to be cut off. Don't know if this is defect of original image or the copy the site is using. > > Anyway - Daisy was born June 1895 and died Aug 1988. As I said, she was living in Yadkin Co NC 1900. She married Enoch Kelsey WOOTEN. In 1920 they were living in Forsyth Co NC. Daisy died in Surry Co NC. I am trying to find names of her father and mother as well as their birth dates. Any help at all woud be appreciated. > > > > _______________________________________ > > Remember to search the archives use this address > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=CAMPBELL > > Browse the archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMPBELL/ > > Contact the List Manager > mailto:[email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 4956 (20100318) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > >

    03/18/2010 05:18:18
    1. [Campbell] Daisy CAMPBELL born 1895 in North Carolina
    2. Carol Beaver
    3. The 1900 census for Yadkin Co NC shows Daisy CAMPBELL, with father appearing to be Alford.  I was looking at the images a familysearch.org for this census.  Alford's name is at bottom of page preceeding page Daisy is on.  It is so dark I cannot read the date of birth for Alford and name of spouse appears to be cut off.  Don't know if this is defect of original image or the copy the site is using.   Anyway - Daisy was born June 1895 and died Aug 1988.  As I said, she was living in Yadkin Co NC 1900.  She married Enoch Kelsey WOOTEN.  In 1920 they were living in Forsyth Co NC.  Daisy died in Surry Co NC.  I am trying to find names of her father and mother as well as their birth dates.  Any help at all woud be appreciated.

    03/18/2010 10:08:55
    1. Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative
    2. Diane Campbell
    3. Most of us are like you, Jan, and also believe in "Pay it forward". Please ignore the one person who doesn't! Diane from Dollard des Ormeaux in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Campbell] DNA - another alternative > Thank you for the judgment of my character without knowing me Leonard. > I don't sell it > and don't know anyone who does. Just passing the info along. Next time > I'll keep my > fingers off the keyboard. > > Jan from Colorado Springs 25 years of research experience who believes > in "Pay it Forward" > Campbell, Westmoreland County, PA >

    03/10/2010 10:18:01