Thanks, Mel! I am so spoiled; sometimes entire family trees have fallen right into my computer. But ggrandma North Star really has me stumped! ===================================================== In a message dated 10/28/00 5:57:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tkelley@yosemite.net writes: > > > > (1) What kind of information do you get from looking up a marriage? (My > > grandaunt Lizzie Grant GOFF married William HANSEN in 1883, and I saw the > Gazette announcement. I already know Lizzie's dates. Would I get any > > additional info about parents etc by asking you to look up the marriage > > record? For example, info about her mother Minnie North Star GOFF?) > > Depends on the year of the marriage. We are still trying to get just what > years say what. The 1880's seem to include witnesses to the marriage and > where the party lived. > > > > > (2) How much searching do we have to do in other counties, since Mariposa > was divided up? What records do you have and what do they have? (For > example, > > Lizzie GOFF was born 12Aug1866 in Mariposa but died Lizzie HANSEN > 20Sept1941 in Merced. Do I need to contact Merced volunteers for DC lookup? > Would I get any additional info by doing so?) > > And regarding Merced, there are tons of records in The Old Courthouse > Museum. Wonderful place they have there! > Mostly I would say, if it happened in Mariposa, Mariposa has the record, > regardless of the year. > The death certs can be a wonderful source for info, IF the person supplying > the info actually KNEW the info. If they died in Mariposa and were buried > in Merced, Mariposa still has the death cert. > Regarding Merced.. they have some of the very best employees at the Merced > Cemeteries! Really! I have been down there a few times and they have walked > me out to graves, done computer searches to see if any others of the same > name are buried there. Really outstanding helpers. > If you have not done so already, contact the cemetery. They will tell you > who and where and sometimes you can make a connection because "families > married into" provide great leads. > > Mel >

Thanks, Don, I'll give it a whirl! ============================================== In a message dated 10/28/00 5:27:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fitchett1@home.com writes: > > Hi Joan, > > <(For example, Lizzie GOFF was born 12 Aug1866 in Mariposa but died > Lizzie HANSEN 20 Sept1941 in Merced. Do I need to contact Merced > volunteers for DC lookup? Would I get any additional info by doing > so?)> > > For DCs and obits in Merced Co., just enter a request on the CAMERCED > list: > CAMERCED <CAMERCED-L@rootsweb.com> Their premier volunteer, Alma, will > respond > immediately. They are most helpful! > Don >

I wonder if her mother was Lena Tom ? At 10:51 AM 10/28/00 -0700, Don Rose wrote: >http://www.sierraescape.com/headers/mariposa.html#anchor299503 > > >==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== >Submit your Family Chronicle for publishing to the Mariposa GenWeb Site to >sweetwater@sierratel.com

Hey Gang, You may know that I have been spending a great deal of time at the MariposaHall of Records. I wish you could be there with Carolyn and I. Laverne and Shirley! Lucy and Ethel! And sometimes, dumb and dumber! What seems to happen is I (or we), get tired of looking at the same old fiches so we just grab anything else and start reading. While on these odd fiche searches, we find some bit of info for some name that I can't remember who is researching the name.( Carolyn seems to remember...) Then, I don't print it out or write it down, just because I don't know who would want it................. So, just for me, if you want me to keep my eyes open for info for you- I am asking for your help. Off line, to my tkelley@yosemite.net address, send me your Mariposa Names....... in order like this. ( This way I can cut and paste and make an alpha notebook to take with me to the Hall. ) SMITH, John a bit of info about John, just one line.. married Sue BROWN 1865 THEN YOUR EMAIL ADDY " " Peter son of above tkelley@yosemite.net PRAIRIE, Any bbonhigh@aol.com Get the idea? Remember, this is just for me and if you are to the point of looking for just one bit of info, just send it in as a regular request to the list. Melanie UPP KELLEY Mariposa County, California home to Hornitos and Yo Semite National Prision

Mel & Carolyn, two questions: (1) What kind of information do you get from looking up a marriage? (My grandaunt Lizzie Grant GOFF married William HANSEN in 1883, and I saw the Gazette announcement. I already know Lizzie's dates. Would I get any additional info about parents etc by asking you to look up the marriage record? For example, info about her mother Minnie North Star GOFF?) (2) How much searching do we have to do in other counties, since Mariposa was divided up? What records do you have and what do they have? (For example, Lizzie GOFF was born 12Aug1866 in Mariposa but died Lizzie HANSEN 20Sept1941 in Merced. Do I need to contact Merced volunteers for DC lookup? Would I get any additional info by doing so?) Novice here, Joan ================================================== In a message dated 10/28/00 11:42:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tkelley@yosemite.net writes: > > Hey Gang, > You may know that I have been spending a great deal of time at the > MariposaHall of Records. I wish you could be there with Carolyn and I. > Laverne and Shirley! Lucy and Ethel! And sometimes, dumb and dumber! > What seems to happen is I (or we), get tired of looking at the same > old fiches so we just grab anything else and start reading. While on these > odd fiche searches, we find some bit of info for some name that I can't > remember who is researching the name.( Carolyn seems to remember...) Then, I > don't print it out or write it down, just because I don't know who would > want it................. > So, just for me, if you want me to keep my eyes open for info for you- I am > asking for your help. > Off line, to my tkelley@yosemite.net address, send me your Mariposa > Names....... in order like this. ( This way I can cut and paste and make an > alpha notebook to take with me to the Hall. ) > > SMITH, John a bit of info about John, just one line.. married Sue BROWN > 1865 THEN YOUR EMAIL ADDY > " " Peter son of above tkelley@yosemite.net > PRAIRIE, Any bbonhigh@aol.com > > Get the idea? Remember, this is just for me and if you are to the point of > looking for just one bit of info, just send it in as a regular request to > the list. > > Melanie UPP KELLEY > Mariposa County, California > home to Hornitos and Yo Semite National Prision > > > > >

I have not even started to type up the lists of Intents I have gotten at the Hall of Records. But, this page stood out since there are so many familiar names on it. This is not a complete listing of the names on the page, just the ones I think you all are looking at. SOLTARI, Jurgen Oct 27, 1854 SOLARI, Batii**** John April 9, 1867 SOUZA, Joseph M. de Aug 28, 1869 SOUZA, Anna D. Nov 1, 1869 SOZA, Augusto Aug 1, 1870 SOUSA, Phillip Nov 28, 1881 SOUZA, Jose Machado de Oct 16, 1882 SPANGNOLI, Joseph Nov 18, 1869 mel

Declaration of Intent filed in Mariposa County 30th Dec 1880. Native of Mexico. If our researcher wants this copy I made of it, send me your snail mail address to tkelley@yosemite.net Mel

Hi All If anyone finds anything on the family of Green Vandegrift I would like to have it. He is the nephew of my Great Great Grandfather Benjamin Wills. I have just found that he came to Ca. Mariposa Co. In the early 1850s and married Martha Jane Scroggins before 1865. They had six children but I have only found the notice of the divorce in 1879. I know he returned to Arkansas and died there. I have found that she remarried to a David Kirkpatrick he died in two months and about seven months she married a Joseph Henwood he was working at the Washington mine, Hornitos. All this information was in the Gazette of 1879 and 1880. Tom -- Thomas and Paulette Hilk 1725 Wildwood Ct. Merced, CA. 95340 E-mail address: paulette@elite.net

Does everyone know at the SUTRO LIBRARY, 480 Winston Drive San Francisco, CA 94132 Telephone: 731-4477: They have 700 roll of microfilm of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs census of reservaton Indians from 1885 thru 1940? HARRIET

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AUTRAND-GARRISON MARRIAGE The Madera News dated March 2, 1944. Under Marriage Licenses is: AUTRAND-GARRISON -- in Madera, Feb. 26, 1944, Thomas Albert Autrand, 19. Navy at Treaure Island, and Patricia Jean Garrison, 18, of Chowchilla. Harriet

Hey. Hey, Hey--that is a great site with lots of good information. Thank you Don. Harriet -----Original Message----- From: Don Rose [mailto:darose@yosemite.net] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 9:52 AM To: CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAMARIPO] Della Hern http://www.sierraescape.com/headers/mariposa.html#anchor299503 ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== Submit your Family Chronicle for publishing to the Mariposa GenWeb Site to sweetwater@sierratel.com

I received a Fresno Bee article today on Louisa dated 5/18/1952. This one really has me scratching my head. Her funeral was held at the Ahwahnee Roundhouse, Raymond, Madera, county. she was "generally known as one of the oldest Indians in the hills." It says she was close to 100, possibly older, at least 90. Her father: "one of the chiefs whose thumb mark was on the treaties which gave all the Indian lands to the whites" and lived in Yosemite Valley and he had no white name Her brother: Peter Westfall, last real chief of the Ahwahnee Indians, died in 1934 Sisters: Old Mrs. Roan and Mrs. Charlie Hart Louisa had no children. Nephew: Charlie Roan Niece: Lizzie Graham This is what is confusing: As some of you know, Bingaman's book said that Louisa was Pete HILLIARD's sister. Here she has the name Hilliard as well as Westfall. The article has no explanation for the Hilliard surname. It lists a brother named Pete who dies in 1934. Just my luck...Pete Hilliard died in 1934. If anyone has more information on this lady, I'd love to hear from you Thank you, Sharon

Now here are some interesting maps- if you look at the sample reference map you will see that the land owners names are included! (not on all maps- read the descriptions carefully) There is Ohio! and for California there is currently only Fresno- but note the boundaries- many run in to the Madera and Mariposa lines- http://members.aol.com/oldmapsetc/index.html Note that these are definitely more affordable- Carolyn

Sharon, this is the CA Death Record for Louisa Westfall Hilliard (misspelled in record). It shows "Westfall" as the father's name, so "Hilliard" had to be either her married name or the name of her mother's later husband, take your choice. Since Louisa had no children, maybe she never married. I would guess that the children born to Westfall took Hilliard's name, as Mama moved along. Didn't you say their mother was Mary Brown Westfall Hilliard Allen? (How sure are you of Mary's birth year?) HILLARD LOUISA 03/20/1856 WESTFALL F CALIFORNIA MADERA 05/08/1952 96 yrs Add What do you think? Joan P.S. The stuff about the Indian treaty is in conflict with other accounts which say the Yosemite Indians didn't sign a treaty. That is one reason the Mariposa Battalion went after Tenaya and his band; he didn't come in to sign a treaty and they wanted him removed to the reservation. Also, it looks like a case of "too many chiefs and not enough Indians." Interesting article just the same. Thanks! P.P.S. The part about "giving all the Indian lands to the whites" is also in error, as there were at least 100 original tribes in California and only 18 signed treaties (which were never ratified by the US Senate and so were invalid). But this is probably a case such as pointed out by Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce, who said: "I believe the old treaty has never been correctly reported. If we ever owned the land we own it still, for we never sold it. In the treaty councils the commissioners have claimed that our country has been sold to the government. Suppose a white man should come to me and say, 'Joseph, I like your horses, and I want to buy them.' I say to him, 'No, my horses suit me, I will not sell them.' Then he goes to my neighbor, and says to him, 'Joseph has some good horses. I want to buy them but he refuses to sell.' My neighbor answers, 'Pay me the money, and I will sell you Joseph's horses.' The white man returns to me and says, 'Joseph, I have bought your horses and you must let me have them.' If we sold our lands to the government, this is the way they were bought." (The Patriot Chiefs by Alvin M. Josephy, Jr., Viking Press, 1969) ===================================================== In a message dated 10/27/00 5:32:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, syvonne@earthlink.net writes: > > I received a Fresno Bee article today on Louisa dated 5/18/1952. This one > really has me scratching my head. Her funeral was held at the Ahwahnee > Roundhouse, Raymond, Madera, county. she was "generally known as one of > the oldest Indians in the hills." It says she was close to 100, possibly > older, at least 90. > > Her father: "one of the chiefs whose thumb mark was on the treaties which > gave all the Indian lands to the whites" and lived in Yosemite Valley and > he had no white name > > Her brother: Peter Westfall, last real chief of the Ahwahnee Indians, died > in 1934 > > Sisters: Old Mrs. Roan and Mrs. Charlie Hart > > Louisa had no children. > > Nephew: Charlie Roan > Niece: Lizzie Graham > > This is what is confusing: As some of you know, Bingaman's book said that > Louisa was Pete HILLIARD's sister. Here she has the name Hilliard as well > as Westfall. The article has no explanation for the Hilliard surname. It > lists a brother named Pete who dies in 1934. Just my luck...Pete Hilliard > died in 1934. > > If anyone has more information on this lady, I'd love to hear from you > > Thank you, > Sharon

Hi guys- I found some map references: http://www.murrayhudson.com/StateofCApost1870.htm I would love to see this one! RARE BLUEPRINT MINING MAP WITH YOSEMITE PARK LUCKHARDT, W. G. OFFICIAL PRIVATE SURVEYS MARIPOSA COUNTY CALIFORNIA Showing Patented Mining Claims, And The Water Sheds.. SAN FRANCISCO. c1896. WHITE ON BLUE. BLUEPRINT. Shows Yosemite National Park Reservation to the north. Individual landowners and claims. Extensive list of patented mines. 26"H. x 33"W. F. $900.00. I.D.#09841. Carolyn

Hey gang, here is a link to get to someinfo on Buckeyes (oHIo) who came to the goldfields. http://www.genealogy.org/~smoore/marion/49ers.htm they are mostly from Marion county Oh. But I am thinking, Franklin Oh could very well mean Franklin County, home to Columbus. Harriet, as much research as I do in Ohio, I have seen Barcroft many times..... not in Marion Co., but in Perry, Licking and Fairfield counties. Mel ----- Original Message ----- From: Harriet Sturk <harriet@madnet.net> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: [CAMARIPO] "The "California Mining Company" > > > "The "California Mining Company" from Harrison County city of Franklin, > Ohio left that city on May 1, 1849 for an eighteen months stay in the > California gold region. This group was equipped with ten wagons and > forty mules." > ______________ > > Hi Listers, > > I hope I have just found the wagon train my grandfather BARCROFT > traveled to California with. Looks now as though I have some > newspapers to locate. > > Has anyone on the list heard of this wagon train previously? > > >From Wm. Disbrow postings I see a lot of people in the Mariposa > are were from Ohio and I have been hoping to connect with someone > researching them to find out how they arrived in Mariposa. > > Harriet > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > If you have a family chronicle I will be happy to add it on the Mariposa County GenWeb Page. > >

Zoog Disney isn't a relative I'm trying to find. It is a popular children's site on the net. In the past 3 months I have had to reformat my hard disk and start over because of computer problems. I just did this yesterday and anyone who has knows what a nightmare this is. Just this morning my husband informs me that the guy at work reformatted his computer also and it was because of a file that his daughter downloaded from the Disney site. It now dawns on me that since my last reformat all was going well....until my daughter visited Disney this past week! She told me that in order to play the games she had to download "something". Just thought I'd share for those of you with kids who frequent this site...BEWARE Sharon

Mel, Yes they were in Perry Co. but mostly in Harrison. Elias BARCROFT, gguncle was Treasure of that county and in real estate.. Ralph's father was a merchant tailor, his mom a seamstress, and I suppose my ggrandfather must have had some adventure in his soul to take off for California. Thank you for the HTM on the 49's. I'll check it out right away as I have not heard a reply from the list in Harrison yet. Harriet Hey gang, here is a link to get to someinfo on Buckeyes (oHIo) who came to the goldfields. http://www.genealogy.org/~smoore/marion/49ers.htm they are mostly from Marion county Oh. But I am thinking, Franklin Oh could very well mean Franklin County, home to Columbus. Harriet, as much research as I do in Ohio, I have seen Barcroft many times..... not in Marion Co., but in Perry, Licking and Fairfield counties. Mel

We could take up a collection -- I might have two dentalium shells to contribute. ====================================================== In a message dated 10/27/00 3:28:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sweetwater@sierratel.com writes: > > Hi guys- I found some map references: > http://www.murrayhudson.com/StateofCApost1870.htm > > I would love to see this one! > > RARE BLUEPRINT MINING MAP WITH YOSEMITE PARK > > LUCKHARDT, W. G. OFFICIAL PRIVATE SURVEYS MARIPOSA COUNTY CALIFORNIA Showing > Patented Mining Claims, And The Water Sheds.. SAN FRANCISCO. c1896. WHITE ON > BLUE. > BLUEPRINT. Shows Yosemite National Park Reservation to the north. Individual > landowners and > claims. Extensive list of patented mines. 26"H. x 33"W. F. $900.00. > I.D.#09841. > > Carolyn