Hi Carolyn, Harriet, Dee and I went to this cemetery. The stones are not legible, I guess time has eroded them. There is a clampers plaque in front of the cemetery. My dad, a clamper, said that there is a Catholic church in Fresno that has a listing of all who are buried there. He also said that there are many more buried there than there are headstones. Chriss ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Feroben <sweetwater@sierratel.com> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: [CAMARIPO] INDIAN GULCH/SANTA CRUZ CEMETERY > If you have visited this cemetery would you please be in touch---------- > > Thanks, Carolyn > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > If you have any good California History or Genealogy Links let us know! > >

If you have visited this cemetery would you please be in touch---------- Thanks, Carolyn

I just learned about a new search engine----! Where have I been:-)! You have probably seen the new replacement for the GenConnect message boards----- http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=main&r=rw Well compare that to this! http://images.gencircles.com/message/searcher I'll let you decide what you prefer---------- note that FamilyHistory.com messages , which were linked a few days ago, are now not working...............the whole RW/Ancesstry threaded archives have been down since June 27-------- Best, Carolyn

Hi, Malinda Tong Counts was the sister of Hezekiah Tong and the aunt of Samuel T. Tong. Another look at info I have says she is buried in the Mariposa Masonic Cemetery. Will check your links and advice as well. By the way - it's not the "Tong Family Cemetery". It began as the Rail Road House Cemetery when all that was there was the Rail Road House roadhouse owned by Calvin B. Rose (who was buried there in 1856). The Tong family did not take possession or make a claim of preemption on it until after Calvin had died. For many years it was reffered to as being the "Clarksville Cemetery" and members of the Tong family were buried in the "Tong family plat" in the Clarksville Cemetery. Then in 1908, after having been the "Clarksville Cemetery" for many years (and title having vested in the public), an obituary for a Tong family member said she was being buried in the "private cemetery" on the old home place. Funny how that works, isn't? 58 years of public use and then they decided it's theirs. The law says differently. Anyway, will check further info and appreciate any and all help. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Feroben <sweetwater@sierratel.com> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [CAMARIPO] Request for Help - TONG family info > Wonderful Sue------------ > > There are references to TONG and COUNTS on the Mariposa website- use the > Search This Site link..........at the website > > http://cagenweb.com/mariposa/ > > No Doubt you have this............. > > Tong Family Cemetery, > Clarksville, California, Cemetery Records, 1856-1984; > > and I would also suggest that you contact the Northern Mariposa County History Center/Museum.............information on how to be in touch is listed on the website under > Research Sites............... > > Glad to have you rooted here in Mariposa= > > I have the Coulterville Cemertery transcription , will see what I can find............also Troy Goss has Coulterville cemetery listing ---------that link is also on the > Mariposa Gen Web site.............. > > Be back in touch, Carolyn > > > > > > Sue Silver wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I finally need help with Mariposa County research...do you believe it? Some of my El Dorado County families were down there....(maybe their not so inbred after all!) > > > > Anyway, I am looking for info on the following and if any members are buried somewhere down there.... > > > > Malinda Tong Counts, died May 29, 1894, Mariposa, Mariposa County, CA; she is d/o William and Elizabeth (Thomas) Tong; wife of George Counts. > > > > The Samuel Thomas Tong family was also in Merced Fall(s) sometime around 1870 (not in EDC census) and a son, George Arthur Tong was born there in 1871. > > > > Other names for Samuel's children are: > > > > Franklin Benjamin Tong > > Andrew Jackson Tong > > Mary Lynn Tong > > Caroline Ida Tong > > > > I have no information on these children other than names. His remaining children (several) I have info on. > > > > Would also like to know what Samuel did while down there. In 1880 he was listed as a Teamster, living in Clarksville. > > > > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sue Silver > > EDC Pioneer Cemeteries Commission > > ssilver1951@jps.net > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > > List of All of California Genealogy Discussion Lists: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_states-ca.html > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > This is a flame-free area!! > > >

Wonderful Sue------------ There are references to TONG and COUNTS on the Mariposa website- use the Search This Site link..........at the website http://cagenweb.com/mariposa/ No Doubt you have this............. Tong Family Cemetery, Clarksville, California, Cemetery Records, 1856-1984; and I would also suggest that you contact the Northern Mariposa County History Center/Museum.............information on how to be in touch is listed on the website under Research Sites............... Glad to have you rooted here in Mariposa= I have the Coulterville Cemertery transcription , will see what I can find............also Troy Goss has Coulterville cemetery listing ---------that link is also on the Mariposa Gen Web site.............. Be back in touch, Carolyn Sue Silver wrote: > Hello! > > I finally need help with Mariposa County research...do you believe it? Some of my El Dorado County families were down there....(maybe their not so inbred after all!) > > Anyway, I am looking for info on the following and if any members are buried somewhere down there.... > > Malinda Tong Counts, died May 29, 1894, Mariposa, Mariposa County, CA; she is d/o William and Elizabeth (Thomas) Tong; wife of George Counts. > > The Samuel Thomas Tong family was also in Merced Fall(s) sometime around 1870 (not in EDC census) and a son, George Arthur Tong was born there in 1871. > > Other names for Samuel's children are: > > Franklin Benjamin Tong > Andrew Jackson Tong > Mary Lynn Tong > Caroline Ida Tong > > I have no information on these children other than names. His remaining children (several) I have info on. > > Would also like to know what Samuel did while down there. In 1880 he was listed as a Teamster, living in Clarksville. > > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Sue Silver > EDC Pioneer Cemeteries Commission > ssilver1951@jps.net > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > List of All of California Genealogy Discussion Lists: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_states-ca.html

Hello! I finally need help with Mariposa County research...do you believe it? Some of my El Dorado County families were down there....(maybe their not so inbred after all!) Anyway, I am looking for info on the following and if any members are buried somewhere down there.... Malinda Tong Counts, died May 29, 1894, Mariposa, Mariposa County, CA; she is d/o William and Elizabeth (Thomas) Tong; wife of George Counts. The Samuel Thomas Tong family was also in Merced Fall(s) sometime around 1870 (not in EDC census) and a son, George Arthur Tong was born there in 1871. Other names for Samuel's children are: Franklin Benjamin Tong Andrew Jackson Tong Mary Lynn Tong Caroline Ida Tong I have no information on these children other than names. His remaining children (several) I have info on. Would also like to know what Samuel did while down there. In 1880 he was listed as a Teamster, living in Clarksville. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks, Sue Silver EDC Pioneer Cemeteries Commission ssilver1951@jps.net

The next court appearance is scheduled for July 16, 2001 at 9:00 a.m., this will be for Stayner's Arraignment. http://www.mariposacounty.org/sheriff/stayner.htm Here is the case docket......... http://www.mariposacourts.org/ Carolyn rubyslippers wrote: > I went to the net and the Mariposa Gazette trying to find out the latest in the Stayner trial but couldn't find anything. Does anyone know what is happening with this trial? > > Sharon > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > The California GenWeb Project: > http://www.cagenweb.com/

I went to the net and the Mariposa Gazette trying to find out the latest in the Stayner trial but couldn't find anything. Does anyone know what is happening with this trial? Sharon

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Has anyone found this cemetery...and are there any plans to transcribe the graves, if marked? Thank you Sharon

Does anyone on the list have a contact email or address for Della Hern, Jay Johnson family, or Lois Martin? Thank you Sharon

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This is for Sharon...with the Native American info... I thought you'd be interested to see the changes in AB 978. Check out the link to the amended bill and let me know what you think. Sue Silver ssilver1951@jps.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <comments@www.leginfo.ca.gov> To: <SSILVER1951@JPS.NET> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 4:00 AM Subject: OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA BILL INFORMATION > Date and Time of Update: Wed Jul 4 2:30:43 US/Pacific 2001 > > > Legislative action has occurred on bill(s) you have subscribed > to through the California Legislative Counsel's web site > (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov) > or the California State Senate's web site > (http://www.sen.ca.gov). > > You can link to the Bill Documents page or to the specific page > of information that has been updated. If you cannot link from this > E-mail message, you can enter the URL on your Internet Browser. > > > > > > AB 978 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_978&sess=CUR&hous e=B&search_type=email > > AMENDED http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_978_bill_20010703_ame nded_sen.html > > HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_978_bill_20010703_his tory.html > > STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_978_bill_20010703_sta tus.html > > > > SB 542 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_542&sess=CUR&hous e=B&search_type=email > > HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0501-0550/sb_542_bill_20010702_his tory.html > > STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0501-0550/sb_542_bill_20010703_sta tus.html > > >

Dear All, Today a wonderful man passed from us. John Bettencourt has spearheaded and led the effort to preserve the old Sacramento City Cemetery as part of a committee under the Sacramento County Historical Society. John has led tours, designed fund raising events and was a part of the effort to convince the City of Sacramento to erect fencing to inhibit vandalism. John loved the tour work at the cemetery and gave tours to school children and others over the years. He and the Old City Cemetery Committee have worked wonders with the cemetery. Their tours have been very well received and John was a large portion of the response received. I will miss him greatly and hope that all people who share our desires to preserve and protect our historic cemeteries and the heritage they represent will say a prayer with me tonight for John. We do what we can, when we can. John did his part. Sincerely, Sue Silver El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission California

Would you believe! Here are of some of the Sherriff calls this past week in Mariposa County! Grandson not obeying Grandma on Greeley Hill a repossession man is locked on the property because he allegedly trespassed in Coulterville. neighbors fighting over an outhouse along Torre; and more..............LOL! http://www.mariposatribune.com/062701sheriff.html BTY the Tribune finally has made the website current!! for now anyway! Carolyn

Listers, Yesterday there was a problem with several of the lists. CAMARIPO seems to have been one that was affected. I personally received NO email from Rootsweb for about 9 hours. Some people were unsubbed from lists by something? Here is what info I have so far: >We where down for several hours but it wasn't a server problem. It was >a router problem at our NOC. >Joan

Ken, I find your message interesting and I want to pass it on to the people at Camaripo. I also want to add my personal experience with release of private information due to the transformation. I was appalled to find my full name posted by every post I have made on Rootsweb. I have always posted merely as "Sharon" but a couple days ago noticed every post I have made back to 2000 now had my first AND last name. I still am not totally clear how posts I made on Rootsweb boards, where my full name was not attached, could be matched by ancestry.com with my full name. I have had an ancestry.com commercial account and of course they had my full name...FOR BILLING PURPOSES ONLY. I have a user name at ancestry.com, of course, an alias but it was not my user name that is used in this conversion...all posts now have first and last names attached. At no time was permission granted to ancestry.com or rootsweb to publish my last name. I consider this violations of invasion of privacy, Publicity Given to Private Life and appropriation of name. I have written to ancestry.com about this matter and received their standard form letter. I have asked them how, and WHY, they associated posts made at rootsweb with information given them strictly for billing purposes attached to my commercial ancestry.com account...they have not responded. Imagine, for example, if someone made a posting of a delicate matter under an alias or the impression of confidentiality, such as an unwanted pregnancy, and the post is now associated with the person's full name. If this concerns any of you, you might want to do a check by going to this web site, and in the box labeled "Find a Message Board", put in your last name: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=main&r=an Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Frank Doig" <kendoig@psnw.com> To: <CAMADERA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [CAMADERA] LOOKUP Classification Wrong - Re: Theodore Thure Strombeck > Hi Murial, [Copy to Madera and California List] > I find the change of the free Rootsweb message boards to a new format > copyrighted by MyTrees unacceptable to the spirit of the GenWeb. The site is > down now so I cannot confirm my earlier inspection that there was no > reciprical link back to the Madera GenWeb. I object to having the default > search for all the message board; I restrict the information and links I > provide strictly to this county or to those surrounding. You inform me that > I will be unable to cut/paste and retrieve the many obituaries I posted > because MyTrees has blocked this option. And why is a user name and password > now required when it worked without it? > I have removed my links from the Madera GenWeb to the MyTrees message > board. I will consider relinking when the copyright, block to copying, and > username requirement have been removed. > I will not do lookups from the MyTrees message board unless I can > respond directly to the requester. I will not post to the board or respond > on the board until MyTrees has removed its copyright and issued a public > statement that it will not sell current or past information. > And what happened to the CA birth and death indexes? Or can I purchase > these with a subscription? > I am curious, Murial. Are you a volunteer or paid? > Best regards, > Ken Doig, free volunteer host of the Madera GenWeb > > PS to Madera - The Board of Directors of the Madera Cemetery District has > approved posting all its burials on the Madera GenWeb with period updates. > We should receive maybe 50,000 plus names in the next few weeks. I know they > cleaned off the contact relative and phone number. I don't know yet whether > we will get the parent's names. More to come. > > PSS - If anyone wants to post a query I will reactivate a manual system. > > > > Muriel wrote: > > > Hi. I am Muriel, the new Message board administrator. All the messages > > from the boards are gatewayed to the Madera List. If someone wants a > > lookup, they can post it on the boards, and it will get to the list. > > We do have subscribers to the list who do lookups. > > I really cannot say if myfamily.com will harvest your email address, but > > I do know that they have protected it and it cannot even be cut and > > pasted from the Message Board. > > Relax, and enjoy the new system. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Dear Listers - I received this request for a lookup and found nothing, perhaps someone else has run across the Walton's? Mary Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:22:59 -0600 From: "Nina" <njhol@northrim.net> To: <mphela42@cybertrails.com> Dear Mary, I am researching my Walton ancestors and have been told two of the brothers drove a stage to Yosemite. I am looking for information about William "Billy" and Thomas Walton. Thomas lost a leg when his horse lunged and the iron wheel ran over his leg. Do you have information about the Walton brothers? Thank you. Nina Hollifield

Mike, you are a lucky guy! Bancroft! They do hold some Mariposa Treasures. Hope you found what you were looking for.......... And thanks so much for taking time from your own search to find these wonderful tidbits to share with us listfriends! I want you to know that I recently learned that there is a DE MOSS Cemetery in the Whiterock area..........I have no index or other details........ Best, Carolyn white@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu wrote: > Hey folks, > I recently returned from a brief trip to CA where I > finally managed to spend a day at the Bancroft Library. > (Only one though... not enough time!) Anyway, I ran > across some early Mariposa newspaper information which > I will pass along in a couple of posts. I also found > they had a microfilm copy of the "Mountain View House > Register" (June 1870-Oct. 1874) with additional entries > (June 1878) of the Mountain View House, Yosemite Road, > Mariposa Co. which was owned by Charles E. Peregoy in > 1953. Now, I believe that this register is now in the > Mariposa Museum - does anyone know if this is correct? > If the Museum does now own this register, then perhaps > they can give the Bancroft library permission to make > copies from the microfilm up there. (The Bancroft > library will not let copies to be made because they > need permission from the current owners of the book). > Anyway, that is all for now. > > - Mike White > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > If you have a family chronicle let Carolyn add it to the Mariposa County GenWeb Page. Send it to: sweetwater@sierratel.com

Hi List, I've been corresponding with John Egnew, JOHNEGNEW@aol.com, who is descended from the SHIMER line, part of which, came to CA in 1849 and were pioneers in the Coulterville area. He emailed me jpgs of two newspaper clipping that he had on the James Shimer who settled in Coulterville. I've transcribed the two clippings below. If anyone would like the jpg of the clippings, pls contact me and I will email them to you. Is anyone researching the SHIMER line? Have a happy 4th! Don The following article is a newspaper clipping from an unknown newspaper or a NSDAR publication. The article is in the possesion of John Egnew, JOHNEGNEW@aol.com James Shimer returned to Cadiz, Ohio from his first trip to California where he married Mary Keesey in 1852. Several years later he returned to California bringing his wife and son by wagon train. They settled in Coulterville where he ran a blacksmith shop and mined. They had five children, three boys and two girls. Their son Austin was born in Cadiz. The other children, Amanda, Frances, Arthur and George were born in Coulterville. Austin and his wife Clara had seven children, James who is unmarried, Armanda who married George Dexter, Myrtle K. Clark, Norma “Nell” who married Will Canova, Florence Metz, Edith and Alice (Alicia). These children are all buried in the Coulterville Cemetery. Armanda Shimer married James Halstead of Coulterville and Hazel Green, a stopover on the Coulterville Road, the first wagon road to Yosemite Valley. They had seven children: Mary Elizabeth, Robert Franklin, Lulu, James Shimer, Jeanette, Gertrude and August. Mary Elizabeth married Frank Albert Bondshu. Two of their sons Harold and Lowell Bondshu (third generation Californians), Harold’s son, Robert (fourth generation) and Bill, Coby and Frank and Krista, the children of Robert and Rachel Bondshu, (fifth generation Mariposa County) all live in Mariposa and are descendants of this branch of the family. Robert Franklin Halstead who operated the power plant in Yosemite for many years married Nellie Hope of Coulterville. Their descendants live in Hanford, Merced and Atwater. U. S. Shaver and Lulu moved to Oregon. James Shimer Halstead married Della Rouse Shimer. He was a railroad employee at El Portal. Their children settled in Tuttle, Merced and Fresno. Jeanette Halstead married Jesse E. (unreadable). Frances Shimer married Frank Halstead. They lived on a ranch near Coulterville. They had five children: Elmira A. Stipes, Albert, Lloyd, Cloyd and Elsie. They settled in Merced and LeGrande. Arthur Shimer married Mary Daneri of Coulterville. Their children were (unreadable) and William J. Shimer recently retired from the Division of Forestry. He and his wife Grace live in Coulterville. They have two sons John William and Michael Arthur. John William Shimer and his wife, Judy and their children John Garrett and Shae Gregory live in Greely Hill. Michael Arthur Shimer and his wife Kathy and their children, Richard John and Tina Marie live in Coulterville. George Shimer was married to Della Rouse. They had three children Hazel Ellis and Nettie Hawk of Yosemite and George Shimer, Jr., of Coulterville. James Shimer died April 22, 1903 and his wife Mary died February 14, 1908. Both are buried in the Coulterville Cemetery. James Shimer’s great grandfather, Daniel Shimer with his brothers, Frederick, Michael and Adam came from Germany. They sailed on the ship “Edinburg” from Rotterdam September 15 1749. They settled in Northern Maryland just across the line from Bedford, Pennsylvania. He was a blacksmith by trade. His son James Shimer served as a Ranger on the Frontier (1778-1783). He was a Revolutionary Soldier from Northhampton County, Pennsylvania, First Company, Jacob Dewit, Captain, Fifth Battalion. The Shimer Family were early settlers and pioneers in Harrison County, Ohio having moved there in the early 1880’s. Helen Houston Bondshu Mariposa Chapter, NSDAR, Bicentennial Project JAMES SHIMER’S TRIP TO CALIFORNIA IN ‘49 The following account of James Shimer’s trip to California was published in the Evening Gazette in Reno, Nevada on July 7, 1915 and Colonel John Conwell and printed in the Cadiz, Harrison County newspaper on July 22, 1915. These two men at this time were the only survivors of the Cadiz party. James Shimer, a pioneer and early settler in Coulterville was born in Cadiz Township, Harrison County, Ohio in 1827. The party bound for the gold fields of California consisted of the following persons: James Shimer, Asbury Johnson, his brother Henry, Frank Brainard, Thomas Holmes, Lewis Lewton, Ralph Bancroft, John Conwell, Josephus Bradbury, William Cady, Jacob Allender and a Dr. Y. H. Jones who started but dropped out. A man named Spotswood joined the party at Louisville. The group left Cadiz, Ohio on March 20, 1849, going by boat from Martin’s Ferry to St. Louis from there to St. Joseph, Missouri, also made by boat and then the trip across the plains began. They had three wagons and twenty-one mules, six mules to each wagon, the other three alternating while the tired ones were given a rest. One of the many adventures across the plains and over the mountains: when they were camped in North Platte Valley, one night there was a terrific storm. The tents were blown down and could not be made fast. Rain fell in torrents and hail covered the ground to a depth of three inches. In the morning they found themselves on a bed of quicksand. The wagons sank in the sand up to the hubs. The mule teams could not get close enough to the wagons. A long rope was attached to the wagons and boards were laid on the ground and placed near the wagon wheels. The men stood on the boards to prevent them from sinking in the sand. The mules were hitched to the rope, by pulling and the men by lifting, the wagons were finally brought out on safe ground. On the average they made twenty mile a day, one day fifty miles were covered. This was necessary in order to reach a place where they could obtain water. This wagon train had an easier trip than most of the pioneers. They attributed this to their mules. A majority of the pioneers crossed the plains with oxen, all the way from the Missouri River, they passed carcasses and skeletons of these animals. They had died of thirst and exhaustion. These pioneers knew nothing of how or where to locate water. The Shimer party did not have the know how either, but their mules did. When they were within four miles of the Humbolt River, the mules were on the point of dropping. Suddenly one of them whinnied, and the team stopped automatically, the mules sniffed and as if a starter had said “go” they took off at a terrific pace. There was no stopping them, they had smelled water. They ran right into the Humbolt River and did not stop until they had found the deepest place. In the river they again demonstrated their keenness. Instead of committing suicide as a horse or man would do when so nearly dead of thirst, they drank sparingly and remained in the middle of the river for more than an hour. In this group there were several experienced hunters and they had no trouble killing two or three deer a day so they had plenty of food. They also did not have any trouble with the Indians. In August they passed through Reno. There was only one house there at the time. This little house was used as a hotel for those on their way to Sacramento. The group arrived in Weaverville on August 24. They did not stay there long, from there they moved to Hangtown (Placerville) and then to the Southern Mines near Coulterville and Sonora. In the course of several years most of the members of this wagon train returned to Cadiz. James Shimer returned to Cadiz and later returned with his family and made his home in Coulterville.