Does anyone have address/phone number for the Cathey's Valley Historical Society? Thanks, **Beverly

Hi all, Here is what I just received from one of the archivists at the State Archives. I will follow up with the State Archivist relative to the doctor-patient confidientiality status dying with the patient to see if we can't get some of the records freed up. I hope to ask him to seek an Attorney General opinion in the matter. Note, they do have a Register of Deaths from 1862 to 1921. Boy, that would sure help me! Sue Silver *** Message to Sue Silver from Archivist*** Sue - Here's a listing of Stockton State Hospital records I clipped from our location key (unfortunately, there's no more detailed description): Location ID Number Agency/Donor Name Record Title C1650 Mental Hygiene-Stockton Insane Asylum Monthly Summary C1650 Mental Hygiene-Stockton Insane Asylum Register of Discharges C1652 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Register of Deaths 1862-1921 C1652 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Register of Patients 1853-98 C1276 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1856-62 C1277 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1862-73 C1278 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1873-83 C1279 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1883-89 C1280 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1889-97 C1281 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1897-1902 C1282 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1902-07 C1283 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1907-11 C1284 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1911-15 C1285 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1915-20 C1286 Mental Hygiene-Stockton State Hospital Commitment Register 1916-19 C3596 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Receipt Book, 1903-1904 C3596 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Biennial Reports, 1867-1896 C3596 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Daily Medical Reports, 1893-1896 C3596 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Criticals & Holy Communions, 1971-1991 C3597 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Dr. Reid's Journals, 1850-1856 C3597 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Time Books, 1920-1932 C3597 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Patient Account Books, 1864-1904 C3598 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Indexes to Male Patients C3599 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Indexes to Male Patients, v. 2-7 C3591 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Minutes to Bd. of Directors C3592 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Minutes to Bd. of Directors C3592 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Records of Operations & Acute Cases C3593 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Payroll & Deposit Ledgers C3594 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Patient Deposit Ledgers; Patient Cash Books C3595 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Superintendent's Cash Books C3600 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Indexes to Female Patients C3601 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Patient Indexes; Patient Commitment Registers C3602 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Movement of Patients Ledgers C3602 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Death/Burial Registers C3603 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Supervisor's Registers of Patients C3603 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Patients on Parole Ledgers C3604 96-03-07 Developmental Services-Stockton Dev. Center Visitors Log; Patients out on Trial Register ***End of Message from Archivist*** ----- Original Message ----- From: Margie <margecam@pacbell.net> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] Fw: Stockton State Hospital/asylum records... Where are they?

Yet another way to find out the information..... The Clampers erected a monument some time ago in front of this cemetery. Perhaps if you knew a clamper you could find out how to get the information. Chriss ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Silver <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [CAMARIPO] Re: Indian Gulch Cemetery > Greetings, > > If this is a Catholic Cemetery, then perhaps you need to look up deeds in > your recorders office. The Church took title in one of two ways...the first > being that a local land owner executed a deed to the local priest in that > priest's name, then he later deeded it to the Archbishop, Joseph Sadoc > Alemany (and all it's various spellings such as Alameny, etc.), or the > Archbishop accepted the deed in his name initially. If this is where an > early Catholic church was and the community dwindled sufficiently before the > federal goverment surveys were completed, the Church probably ceased being > used and Alemany did not file for a federal land patent on the land where > the church and cemetery were located. > > This instance has occurred in many locations throughout and up and down the > Mother Lode region. When the attendance at the churches dwindled so that > not enough was being received in tithes, they just walked away from it. > > I have put in a request to see if Archbishop Alemany lists this location as > a place where he dedicated a church in the early years. If you don't know > the name of the early priest and the deed is not in Alemany's name, check > "Hallowed Were the Gold Dust Trails" by Henry Walsh. It should have some > information about the priest who first gave Catholic mass in the gold camps > there. > > I will let you know what I learn about it's dedication, if it occurred. > > Sue Silver > El Dorado County > (where the Church abandoned and continues to ignore the Grizzly Flat > Catholic Cemetery) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beverly Stone <louisa1893@directcon.net> > To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:07 PM > Subject: [CAMARIPO] Re: Indian Gulch Cemetery > > > > July 18, 2001: Spoke with Adrienne Alston, Archivist for Catholic > > Diocese of Fresno (559/488-7499). She advised no records for Indian > > Gulch Cemetery are there. IF they exist, they could be in the > > Archdiocese of San Francisco, Sacramento or Sonora. Mariposa was at one > > time in each of these diocese. The church didn't keep all names of > > deaths. Only those receiving the last sacrament. The church kept > > sacramental records, not vital records. Even though most of these very > > rural areas had a church building, there was no parish. Usually the > > priest living in Sonora came through and would conduct baptisms, etc. > > and then go back to Sonora and make record of them in a book. Where > > these books are is anybody's guess. Anyone calling any diocese besides > > Fresno will be told they are in Fresno because Mariposa is now part of > > the Diocese of Fresno - but was not then. > > > > Adrienne is going to send me some "very sketchy" historical data > > regarding the church in Mariposa during that time. When this is > > received, I will be glad to send a copy to anyone who is interested. > > > > Adrienne also suggested calling Rebecca Greer, Fresno County Historical > > Society, at 559/438-7629. She has compiled a list of burials in Fresno > > and may know of someone who has done the same for Mariposa. I spoke > > with Rebecca and she didn't know of any person who had compiled such a > > list. BUT, she did suggest the Calif Cemeteries site, which she thought > > was through Rootsweb. It seems that I quite some time ago had gone into > > a Calif Cemetery site. She said this site has grown tremendously. > > Might be worth a try. > > > > Anyway, now you know all I know!!! > > > > **Beverly > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > > List of All of California Genealogy Discussion Lists: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_states-ca.html > > > > > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > Search the List Archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > or threaded archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMARIPO > >

Sue- please note that Indian Gulch was also called Santa Cruz-----or even possibly may be referred to as CASSARETTO- The CASARETTO family are perhaps the earliest burials- 1867-? Glancing at _Hallowed Were the Gold Dust Trails_, Mariposa seems to be covered in the Tuolumne Chapter----------as the priests came out of Sonora to serve the Mariposa camps. The chapter is a bit hard to follow- but will go over it again to see if I can get the correct chronological order of those serving Mariposa. Or perhaps Ruth, maybe you are able to do a chronology of those mentioned in the chapter- maybe you can understand it better than I! I am going away for several days and will be back next week....... You all have fun, and thanks Beverly and Sue for helping on this-very interesting research ! Carolyn Sue Silver wrote: > Greetings, > > If this is a Catholic Cemetery, then perhaps you need to look up deeds in > your recorders office. The Church took title in one of two ways...the first > being that a local land owner executed a deed to the local priest in that > priest's name, then he later deeded it to the Archbishop, Joseph Sadoc > Alemany (and all it's various spellings such as Alameny, etc.), or the > Archbishop accepted the deed in his name initially. If this is where an > early Catholic church was and the community dwindled sufficiently before the > federal goverment surveys were completed, the Church probably ceased being > used and Alemany did not file for a federal land patent on the land where > the church and cemetery were located. > > This instance has occurred in many locations throughout and up and down the > Mother Lode region. When the attendance at the churches dwindled so that > not enough was being received in tithes, they just walked away from it. > > I have put in a request to see if Archbishop Alemany lists this location as > a place where he dedicated a church in the early years. If you don't know > the name of the early priest and the deed is not in Alemany's name, check > "Hallowed Were the Gold Dust Trails" by Henry Walsh. It should have some > information about the priest who first gave Catholic mass in the gold camps > there. > > I will let you know what I learn about it's dedication, if it occurred. > > Sue Silver > El Dorado County > (where the Church abandoned and continues to ignore the Grizzly Flat > Catholic Cemetery) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beverly Stone <louisa1893@directcon.net> > To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:07 PM > Subject: [CAMARIPO] Re: Indian Gulch Cemetery > > > July 18, 2001: Spoke with Adrienne Alston, Archivist for Catholic > > Diocese of Fresno (559/488-7499). She advised no records for Indian > > Gulch Cemetery are there. IF they exist, they could be in the > > Archdiocese of San Francisco, Sacramento or Sonora. Mariposa was at one > > time in each of these diocese. The church didn't keep all names of > > deaths. Only those receiving the last sacrament. The church kept > > sacramental records, not vital records. Even though most of these very > > rural areas had a church building, there was no parish. Usually the > > priest living in Sonora came through and would conduct baptisms, etc. > > and then go back to Sonora and make record of them in a book. Where > > these books are is anybody's guess. Anyone calling any diocese besides > > Fresno will be told they are in Fresno because Mariposa is now part of > > the Diocese of Fresno - but was not then. > > > > Adrienne is going to send me some "very sketchy" historical data > > regarding the church in Mariposa during that time. When this is > > received, I will be glad to send a copy to anyone who is interested. > > > > Adrienne also suggested calling Rebecca Greer, Fresno County Historical > > Society, at 559/438-7629. She has compiled a list of burials in Fresno > > and may know of someone who has done the same for Mariposa. I spoke > > with Rebecca and she didn't know of any person who had compiled such a > > list. BUT, she did suggest the Calif Cemeteries site, which she thought > > was through Rootsweb. It seems that I quite some time ago had gone into > > a Calif Cemetery site. She said this site has grown tremendously. > > Might be worth a try. > > > > Anyway, now you know all I know!!! > > > > **Beverly > > > > > > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > > List of All of California Genealogy Discussion Lists: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_states-ca.html > > > > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > Search the List Archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > or threaded archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMARIPO

Greetings, If this is a Catholic Cemetery, then perhaps you need to look up deeds in your recorders office. The Church took title in one of two ways...the first being that a local land owner executed a deed to the local priest in that priest's name, then he later deeded it to the Archbishop, Joseph Sadoc Alemany (and all it's various spellings such as Alameny, etc.), or the Archbishop accepted the deed in his name initially. If this is where an early Catholic church was and the community dwindled sufficiently before the federal goverment surveys were completed, the Church probably ceased being used and Alemany did not file for a federal land patent on the land where the church and cemetery were located. This instance has occurred in many locations throughout and up and down the Mother Lode region. When the attendance at the churches dwindled so that not enough was being received in tithes, they just walked away from it. I have put in a request to see if Archbishop Alemany lists this location as a place where he dedicated a church in the early years. If you don't know the name of the early priest and the deed is not in Alemany's name, check "Hallowed Were the Gold Dust Trails" by Henry Walsh. It should have some information about the priest who first gave Catholic mass in the gold camps there. I will let you know what I learn about it's dedication, if it occurred. Sue Silver El Dorado County (where the Church abandoned and continues to ignore the Grizzly Flat Catholic Cemetery) ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Stone <louisa1893@directcon.net> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: [CAMARIPO] Re: Indian Gulch Cemetery > July 18, 2001: Spoke with Adrienne Alston, Archivist for Catholic > Diocese of Fresno (559/488-7499). She advised no records for Indian > Gulch Cemetery are there. IF they exist, they could be in the > Archdiocese of San Francisco, Sacramento or Sonora. Mariposa was at one > time in each of these diocese. The church didn't keep all names of > deaths. Only those receiving the last sacrament. The church kept > sacramental records, not vital records. Even though most of these very > rural areas had a church building, there was no parish. Usually the > priest living in Sonora came through and would conduct baptisms, etc. > and then go back to Sonora and make record of them in a book. Where > these books are is anybody's guess. Anyone calling any diocese besides > Fresno will be told they are in Fresno because Mariposa is now part of > the Diocese of Fresno - but was not then. > > Adrienne is going to send me some "very sketchy" historical data > regarding the church in Mariposa during that time. When this is > received, I will be glad to send a copy to anyone who is interested. > > Adrienne also suggested calling Rebecca Greer, Fresno County Historical > Society, at 559/438-7629. She has compiled a list of burials in Fresno > and may know of someone who has done the same for Mariposa. I spoke > with Rebecca and she didn't know of any person who had compiled such a > list. BUT, she did suggest the Calif Cemeteries site, which she thought > was through Rootsweb. It seems that I quite some time ago had gone into > a Calif Cemetery site. She said this site has grown tremendously. > Might be worth a try. > > Anyway, now you know all I know!!! > > **Beverly > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > List of All of California Genealogy Discussion Lists: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_states-ca.html > > >

July 18, 2001: Spoke with Adrienne Alston, Archivist for Catholic Diocese of Fresno (559/488-7499). She advised no records for Indian Gulch Cemetery are there. IF they exist, they could be in the Archdiocese of San Francisco, Sacramento or Sonora. Mariposa was at one time in each of these diocese. The church didn’t keep all names of deaths. Only those receiving the last sacrament. The church kept sacramental records, not vital records. Even though most of these very rural areas had a church building, there was no parish. Usually the priest living in Sonora came through and would conduct baptisms, etc. and then go back to Sonora and make record of them in a book. Where these books are is anybody’s guess. Anyone calling any diocese besides Fresno will be told they are in Fresno because Mariposa is now part of the Diocese of Fresno – but was not then. Adrienne is going to send me some “very sketchy” historical data regarding the church in Mariposa during that time. When this is received, I will be glad to send a copy to anyone who is interested. Adrienne also suggested calling Rebecca Greer, Fresno County Historical Society, at 559/438-7629. She has compiled a list of burials in Fresno and may know of someone who has done the same for Mariposa. I spoke with Rebecca and she didn’t know of any person who had compiled such a list. BUT, she did suggest the Calif Cemeteries site, which she thought was through Rootsweb. It seems that I quite some time ago had gone into a Calif Cemetery site. She said this site has grown tremendously. Might be worth a try. Anyway, now you know all I know!!! **Beverly

Hello All, I am also researching Joaquin GARCIA who brought his family to Snelling/Hopeton then Hornitos in abt. 1859. He and his wife, Maria RIVAS brought 3 young girls, Guadalupe,Rosario and Sara. They had 5 boys in California,Peter, Trinidad, Romolo and Albert. I know that the son Peter was baptised by Father Timothy Fitzpatrick of Mariposa in 1870. Father also baptised Margaret RIVERA on the same day, she is the daughter of Guadalupe GARCIA and Venturi RIVERA. Any further information on this family would be appreciated. So, I descend from 2 different families that lived in Mariposa County at the same time. Chancy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Hi everyone, I am researching Willis Goss and his wife, Elizabeth Petty, who married in Hornitos in 1853 (thanks, Carolyn), and family legend says that their daughter, Mary, was the first "white" girl born in Hortnitos (abt. 1855).Think they also had a daughter named Mattie (Martha?) born abt. 1857. Willis was postmaster (thanks, again to your posts)and on a short visit to the Museum in Mariposa I saw a picture of the Hornitos Hotel that had his name listed as proprietor. Willis was from Georgia or Mississippi, Elizabeth Petty from Texas.(so it doesn't seem like I am related to Troy) The family later moved to Los Angeles. Chancy mschancy@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Sharon----------there is not much background information given at this site----but an interesting data base of names is given--------- Carolyn The Office of the Special Trustee for American Indians (OST), Office of Trust Funds Management (OTFM) is seeking current addresses for the following individuals. These individuals are accountholders of record in the Individual Indian Monies (IIM) system. If you know an address, or have any information about any of these IIM accountholders..................(it goes on to give alpha listings) read about it here------------ http://www.ost.doi.gov/whereabouts.html Carolyn

Hi Chancy, Welcome!! Are you related to Troy??? of the Coulterville GOSS line? TTYL, Don Fitchett El Cajon, CA Chancy Wooldridge wrote: > Hi everyone, > I tried to send a message yesterday about my Goss > family in Hornitos but think I did it wrong. Will try > again. > Chancy > Foothill Ranch, CA > mschancy@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > The California GenWeb Project: > http://www.cagenweb.com/

Hi everyone, I tried to send a message yesterday about my Goss family in Hornitos but think I did it wrong. Will try again. Chancy Foothill Ranch, CA mschancy@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

I have received an email from someone who wants to get in touch with you Glen they wrote: I was perusing the Mariposa Gen Web page when I came across the article on John W. Phillips written by Glenn Burghardt. There are similarities here to my ggg-grandfather Thomas W. Phillips who came to Mariposa County in 1850 from Iowa County, Wisconsin and who was born in Cornwall in 1809. I am wondering if my Thomas and Mr. Burghardt's John are brothers. Snip--------- Glen-I realize now that I did not put your email address on your Family Chronicle! Sorry about that------please be in touch with me so I can get you in touch with the researcher. Thanks, Carolyn

Thank you both for your response. I will let you know what I find out. **Beverly

Try the Director of Cemeteries for the Fresno Diocese of the Catholic Church, Mr. Michael Orlando... cemeteries@dioceseoffresno.org 264 N. Blythe Avenue Fresno, CA 93706 (559) 488-7449 Fax: (559) 488-7485 or Archivist: Sister Sandra Ann Silva, S.H.F. Assistant Archivists: Scott Alston and Adrienne Alston 1550 N.Fresno Street Fresno, California 93703 (559)488-7499 Don Rose Mariposa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Stone <louisa1893@directcon.net> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [CAMARIPO] Indian Gulch Cemetery > Sorry to be late in answering this query, but have been out of town. > > My great-grandfather, Frank Prairie, is buried at Indian Gulch > Cemetery. Last year, Kelly went there and photographed his headstone, > for which I am very grateful. She said his was one of the few there. > It is one of the very large ones so probably why it survived. Now that > we are back in Northern California, I would like to make a trip there to > view this myself. This is actually in Mariposa, isn't it??? > > Does anyone have the name, address or phone of the church in Fresno that > has a list of persons buried there? > > **Beverly > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > NEW LIST MEMBERS- Post your query so we can start helping you!! > >

Actually the cemetery is between Catheys Valley and Hornitos. Probabally about 30 minutes from Mariposa. I know we discussed this cemetery on the list before. And someone either knew how to get ahold of or had the list of who was burried. I just don't remember who or when we discussed it. Perhaps someone else remembers, or is it in the archives?? Chriss ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Stone <louisa1893@directcon.net> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [CAMARIPO] Indian Gulch Cemetery > Sorry to be late in answering this query, but have been out of town. > > My great-grandfather, Frank Prairie, is buried at Indian Gulch > Cemetery. Last year, Kelly went there and photographed his headstone, > for which I am very grateful. She said his was one of the few there. > It is one of the very large ones so probably why it survived. Now that > we are back in Northern California, I would like to make a trip there to > view this myself. This is actually in Mariposa, isn't it??? > > Does anyone have the name, address or phone of the church in Fresno that > has a list of persons buried there? > > **Beverly > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > NEW LIST MEMBERS- Post your query so we can start helping you!! > >

Sorry to be late in answering this query, but have been out of town. My great-grandfather, Frank Prairie, is buried at Indian Gulch Cemetery. Last year, Kelly went there and photographed his headstone, for which I am very grateful. She said his was one of the few there. It is one of the very large ones so probably why it survived. Now that we are back in Northern California, I would like to make a trip there to view this myself. This is actually in Mariposa, isn't it??? Does anyone have the name, address or phone of the church in Fresno that has a list of persons buried there? **Beverly

For those who do not have the California Cemetery Law bookmark- http://www.dca.ca.gov/cemetery/cmhscode.htm here is 8102 - 8102. Any person violating any provision of this chapter is liable, in a civil action by and in the name of the cemetery authority, to pay all damages occasioned by his unlawful acts. The sum recovered shall be applied in payment for the repair and restoration of the property injured or destroyed. ========== Sue- thanks for speaking for all of us---------I know that you and your commission are advocates for us all. Carolyn Sue Silver wrote: > Hello all, > > I sent this message to the Fresno Bee reporter. I thought it was worth > sharing for those who weren't aware of the Penal Code and the legal status > of such desecration. You may see the story at www.fresnobee.com. > > Sue Silver > El Dorado County > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Silver > To: mkreamer@fresnobee.com > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:46 PM > Subject: History Shattered > > Hello, > > I monitor many of the cemetery websites to keep a watch of what's happening. > > Penal Code Sec. 504.3 was enacted, but merely took former Health and Safety > Code Sec. 8101 and moved it to the Penal Code. The law has remained > unchanged between the two. > > The main point that really needs to be driven home is that the damage to > these IRREPLACEABLE historic monuments is that once the damage exceeds > $2,500 (I believe), the crime becomes a penalty. You might want to check > with the local sheriff as to this amount or if it is being investigated as a > felony. > > Part of our problem in California as regards cemetery desecration (and > that's what this is - vandalism be damned), is that the courts are unwilling > to mete out the appropriate punishment. "It's a childish prank" we've > heard. "Kids will be kids." Well, those childish "kids" are committing > felonious acts and getting a slap on the wrist. > > Before too long, if this is allowed to continued unabated, uninvestigated, > unprosecuted and unpunished, is that it will continue until the integrity of > every historic cemetery in this state has become a victim. > > Thank you for your article. Please help put the word out that Californian's > are sick of this. Most people say "cluck cluck, too bad" until it happens > to them. THEN they want to see change. This is a crime that has the > potential to effect everyone, since most of us do have family in one > cemetery or another. > > Please do a follow up on this story and send our regards to the Clovis > Cemetery District people. > > Sincerely, > > Sue Silver, President > El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission > a California 501(3)(c) Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation > 2551 Deer Trail Lane > Cameron Park, CA 95682 > ssilver1951@jps.net > (530) 676-2889 > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > Search the List Archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > or threaded archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMARIPO

Hello all, I sent this message to the Fresno Bee reporter. I thought it was worth sharing for those who weren't aware of the Penal Code and the legal status of such desecration. You may see the story at www.fresnobee.com. Sue Silver El Dorado County ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Silver To: mkreamer@fresnobee.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: History Shattered Hello, I monitor many of the cemetery websites to keep a watch of what's happening. Penal Code Sec. 504.3 was enacted, but merely took former Health and Safety Code Sec. 8101 and moved it to the Penal Code. The law has remained unchanged between the two. The main point that really needs to be driven home is that the damage to these IRREPLACEABLE historic monuments is that once the damage exceeds $2,500 (I believe), the crime becomes a penalty. You might want to check with the local sheriff as to this amount or if it is being investigated as a felony. Part of our problem in California as regards cemetery desecration (and that's what this is - vandalism be damned), is that the courts are unwilling to mete out the appropriate punishment. "It's a childish prank" we've heard. "Kids will be kids." Well, those childish "kids" are committing felonious acts and getting a slap on the wrist. Before too long, if this is allowed to continued unabated, uninvestigated, unprosecuted and unpunished, is that it will continue until the integrity of every historic cemetery in this state has become a victim. Thank you for your article. Please help put the word out that Californian's are sick of this. Most people say "cluck cluck, too bad" until it happens to them. THEN they want to see change. This is a crime that has the potential to effect everyone, since most of us do have family in one cemetery or another. Please do a follow up on this story and send our regards to the Clovis Cemetery District people. Sincerely, Sue Silver, President El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission a California 501(3)(c) Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation 2551 Deer Trail Lane Cameron Park, CA 95682 ssilver1951@jps.net (530) 676-2889

Anna, I was so sad to read this ------------ this must be very had on the cemetery staff-and all who have families buried at the cemetery-----------------truly upsetting and maddening to read about these kinds of incidents--------- Carolyn Fresnobee.com The Fresno Bee History Shattered 33 grave markers are toppled, ruined at Academy Cemetery. By Matthew Kreamer The Fresno Bee (Published July 13, 2001) More than a century of Fresno County history lies cracked and shattered on dusty ground at the Academy Cemetery. Thirty-three marble and granite headstones, bearing the names of many historical community leaders, were pushed over and destroyed by vandals during the weekend. Many had stood since the late 1800s. Sheriff's officials haven't identified any suspects but are following various leads. Meanwhile, the cemetery gates are locked, and detectives have asked that restoration not begin until the case progresses, said Anna Herrera, manager of the Clovis Cemetery District. "A lot of people have asked me, 'How could someone do something like this?' " Herrera said. "I tell them people these days don't have much respect for the living; why would they have respect for the dead?" The horror for those who know the cemetery and its history is not only the damage, but also that it was done to historical headstones. All but two of the broken headstones were hand-carved between 1870 and 1920, Herrera said. The names include Gillum Baley, who led a wagon train of settlers from Missouri and became one of Fresno County's first judges; Sarah Simpson, an Academy landowner whose donations helped found the local Methodist Episcopal Church; and William L. Greenup, a farmer, judge and deputy sheriff. "This isn't just a cemetery; this is Clovis history," said Marilyn Gran, a descendant of the Greenups and Baleys. "These are the people who made Clovis." The cemetery sits atop a gent-ly sloping hill at the end of Mendocino Road in Academy, about 10 miles northeast of Clovis. The first person buried there was Benjamin Baxter Baley in 1867, said Sharon Hiigel, curator of the Fresno Historical Society. His headstone was not vandalized. The most recent burial was Monday, Herrera said. Margie Pokorny, 82, of Clovis said her ancestors, including her grandparents, are buried in the cemetery. She walked through Wednesday and saw the damage. "I don't see why someone could do this for fun. I don't know what kind of fun this is," Pokorny said. "My great-grandfather, they just destroyed his tombstone. Some of them are so old that they just shattered when they fell. I don't see a way they can ever put some of them back." The restoration will begin as soon as the Sheriff's Department gives permission, Herrera said. Repair material has been ordered that closely matches the light-colored marble headstones. Dozens of people have called and offered to help with the repairs, she said. "The markers and monuments are the property of the families, but there's just no way we can get a hold of people, so the majority of the markers we will be restoring ourselves," Herrera said. She couldn't place a value on the damage. "What value do we put on our history?" Herrera asked. "Once you have something of a historical nature that is shattered, you can put it back together again, but it is never whole." Authorities and cemetery officials are not certain exactly when the vandalism occurred. Cemetery district employees were at the site July 6, and everything appeared fine, Herrera said. The damage was discovered Monday morning. Herrera said sheriff's officers received a telephone call Sunday morning from a nearby resident who reported what appeared to be people partying and making noise in the cemetery. A deputy wasn't sent about the call, she said. This isn't the first time the cemetery has been vandalized. In 1993, 30 headstones were knocked over, but none was destroyed, Herrera said. More recently, 26 headstones were vandalized March 10 at the Red Bank Cemetery on Shaw Avenue, east of Clovis. That cemetery has headstones dating to the 1870s. A recent law added to the California Penal Code makes cemetery vandalism punishable by as much as a year in jail. The reporter can be reached at mkreamer@fresnobee.com or 441-6208.

If it has something to do with the Clampers....ask Bob! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chrissc" <chrissc@sierratel.com> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [CAMARIPO] INDIAN GULCH/SANTA CRUZ CEMETERY > Hi Carolyn, > > Harriet, Dee and I went to this cemetery. The stones are not legible, I > guess time has eroded them. There is a clampers plaque in front of the > cemetery. My dad, a clamper, said that there is a Catholic church in Fresno > that has a listing of all who are buried there. He also said that there are > many more buried there than there are headstones. > > Chriss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyn Feroben <sweetwater@sierratel.com> > To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:00 AM > Subject: [CAMARIPO] INDIAN GULCH/SANTA CRUZ CEMETERY > > > > If you have visited this cemetery would you please be in touch---------- > > > > Thanks, Carolyn > > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > > If you have any good California History or Genealogy Links let us know! > > > > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > Search the List Archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > or threaded archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CAMARIPO >