Ann and all, I really appreciate your Savage posts. Everything I have read said that little is known about him and he frequently made up some pretty tall tales about himself including having arrived in the mother lode via a "moonbeam". He was born around 1817. In 1846, his brother Morgan, himself, wife Eliza and child left on an overland party from Peru, Illinois. There are 2 versions regarding the child...another says Eliza died on the way..like at Donner Pass...giving birth. At one point the party had a dispute about going to Oregon or south to Calif. There was much loss of life and I'm not sure the people that went to Oregon made it at all. James and his brother did survive going the Calif route. Subsequently he was a fighter in the Black Hawk War, member of the Fremont Battalion in Oregon and California, helped build Sutter's saw mill. He then settled in Mariposa where he started his trading business with the Indians. It is strongly suspected he could not write however his linguistic talents were acute. He spoke German, French, Spanish and quickly learned the Indian languages. I believe it is highly probable that he had the 33 reported wives however he had no Yosemite wives....Tenaya refused to let him buy any of the Ahwahneechee women. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Trussell" <atru@ns.net> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: [CAMARIPO] James D. Savage > Good Morning, > > Since the topic of James D. Savage comes up on this list occasionally, > it seems a good time to post his short biography, which was originally > posted to CA-GOLDRUSH-L in June 1998. This was in response to the > following excerpt from the book "An American Odyssey: The Autobiography > of Robert Brownlee" which had been posted by Bob Norris: > > > "Before the war[1850/51 Indian?], Major Savage who commanded the[Mariposa] > > battalion, lived with the Indians just as much as any of the bucks, even > > though Indiana[NY birth?] was his native state. When I first saw him, he was > > traveling in a very unbecoming manner. All he had on was a coarse cotton sheet > > which came to his knees, was bare headed and bare footed, with three wives > > following him, one after another a little distance apart, and an equal > > distance in advance of the oldest of the three, who was about 16 years of age. > > The other two being about 12 or 14 near as I could judge. > > If you are interested in reading more of Jim Savage and early Mariposa > County, William Disbro posted four "Early History" messages to this list > in 1999. These were from the January 18, 1879 issue of the Mariposa > Gazette. To see them, go to the Rootsweb Interactive search site: > > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > and enter "camaripo-l." Search the 1999 database for "savage and > disbro." > > Jim Savage's biography will follow in separate messages. > > Anne Trussell > atru@ns.net > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > The California GenWeb Project: > http://www.cagenweb.com/ >

My message below is in regards to the founding and burning of the Catholic Church in *Coulterville* and not Indian Gulch---------- Hope I didn't confuse anyone! Carolyn Carolyn Feroben wrote: > Well, too bad-The news has not been good on every finding these records! > > Here is what is said in _Memories of Coulterville_ by Ila GOSS BARRETT > > page 26- > a picture of the old church and this: > > The Catholic church was built by Reverend L. A. AUGER, it was dedicated > January 20, 1863 by Archbishop ALEMANY. > At that time it was a mission in the Mariposa-Sonora parish, Father AUGER > was the first Pastor, Father KEARNEY was the last pastor. > The church was destroyed by fire in 1926. > ========= > Carolyn > > Beverly Stone wrote: > > > I received a copy of the following letter from Fresno Diocese: > > > > (Letter dated Oct 14, 1942) from Father J. Gilmartin, Rector, St. > > Patrick's Parish, Sonora, Calif. to Sister M. Thomas, O.P.) > > > > Dear Sister: I cannot get any details about Father Dade. I have looked > > over our records as far back as 1860. I understand the records of the > > Mariposa Parish were destroyed when the Church at Coulterville was > > destroyed by fire. I am sorry I can't give you any information re this > > matter. (Signed: J. Gilmartin) > > > > **Beverly > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > > If you have any good California History or Genealogy Links let us know! > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > Thanks for sharing and helping each other!!

Hi Chancy---------- Found in the Centennial Edition of the Mariposa Gazette- 1855-1954 The first hotel in Hornitos was built of adobe in 1850-51 by Willis GOSS and John SHORT. In 1860 GOSS had erected a large hotel to take its place, built with lumber brought by sailing ship around the horn, on by boat to Sacramento and hauled by ox-cart to Hornitos. President Ulysses S. GRANT was it most distinguished visitor. ********************************************* Advertisement Hornitos, Aug 25, 1856 HORNITOS HOTEL Hornitos, Mariposa County W.G.GOSS, Proprietor This Hotel is now in excellent condition for the accomodations of Travelers. The Table will be spread with the best the market affords, the Bar stocked with excellent liquours. A careful attention to the wants of guests will be given by all connected with the house. ************************************************************** Chancy Wooldridge wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am researching Willis Goss and his wife, Elizabeth > Petty, who married in Hornitos in 1853 (thanks, > Carolyn), and family legend says that their daughter, > Mary, was the first "white" girl born in Hortnitos > (abt. 1855).Think they also had a daughter named > Mattie (Martha?) born abt. 1857. Willis was postmaster > (thanks, again to your posts)and on a short visit to > the Museum in Mariposa I saw a picture of the Hornitos > Hotel that had his name listed as proprietor. Willis > was from Georgia or Mississippi, Elizabeth Petty from > Texas.(so it doesn't seem like I am related to Troy) > The family later moved to Los Angeles. > Chancy > mschancy@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > If you have a family chronicle let Carolyn add it to the Mariposa County GenWeb Page. Send it to: sweetwater@sierratel.com

Well, too bad-The news has not been good on every finding these records! Here is what is said in _Memories of Coulterville_ by Ila GOSS BARRETT page 26- a picture of the old church and this: The Catholic church was built by Reverend L. A. AUGER, it was dedicated January 20, 1863 by Archbishop ALEMANY. At that time it was a mission in the Mariposa-Sonora parish, Father AUGER was the first Pastor, Father KEARNEY was the last pastor. The church was destroyed by fire in 1926. ========= Carolyn Beverly Stone wrote: > I received a copy of the following letter from Fresno Diocese: > > (Letter dated Oct 14, 1942) from Father J. Gilmartin, Rector, St. > Patrick's Parish, Sonora, Calif. to Sister M. Thomas, O.P.) > > Dear Sister: I cannot get any details about Father Dade. I have looked > over our records as far back as 1860. I understand the records of the > Mariposa Parish were destroyed when the Church at Coulterville was > destroyed by fire. I am sorry I can't give you any information re this > matter. (Signed: J. Gilmartin) > > **Beverly > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > If you have any good California History or Genealogy Links let us know!

I received a copy of the following letter from Fresno Diocese: (Letter dated Oct 14, 1942) from Father J. Gilmartin, Rector, St. Patrick's Parish, Sonora, Calif. to Sister M. Thomas, O.P.) Dear Sister: I cannot get any details about Father Dade. I have looked over our records as far back as 1860. I understand the records of the Mariposa Parish were destroyed when the Church at Coulterville was destroyed by fire. I am sorry I can't give you any information re this matter. (Signed: J. Gilmartin) **Beverly

A tribute to J. J. TRABUCCO in the 100 year Gazette appears to be placed by: =========== Gus TRABUCCO "Cake Boy Gus" Merced ======== Was Gus a baker? or was there another meaning to this nickname? Carolyn

Does anyone know if the SAVAGE family/families still living in Mariposa are descendants of Major J. D. SAVAGE? Carolyn

DR. Matlock and family , this is for you- congratulations Teenie!!! The 100 year Edition of the Mariposa Gazette- 1854-1954 Sarah GROSJEAN GANN, born on the North Fork of the Chowchilla at the old John BROWN ranch when it was a mining camp with a dance hall and store! ( can someone please tell me where this was located) Her parents "French Frank" GROSJEAN and Mary SOUSA met in Hornitos. They were married there. Mary's family came around the Horn from the Azores. Her brother, "Johnnie" GROSJEAN, is County Clerk. Sarah married Jack GANN, son of Elias and Altha, who had come by covered wagon and ox team to White Rock. They moved to Mariposa to operate a store and telephone business. His brother, Bill, also came to Mariposa to settle. -------------- A lovely picture of Sarah is included in the article. Lots of pioneers in this family! Best, Carolyn

>From the 100 Year Gazette---------1854-1954 The SKELTON brothers, Henry 84, Al 79, and Tom 77, live together on Highway 49 north of Mariposa. They have spent the past 20 years there and in Darrah , and have lost their families. Henry and Tom were born in Mariposa, Al was born in Sherlock. Their parents, were Edward ( from Mississippi) who married Phoebe HODGSON of Sherlock, and made their home in Mariposa. He was a deputy Sheriff, deputy clerk and deputy assessor during his career. Edward's father, Blackstone Hardaman SKELTON, homesteaded the present CUNNINGHAM Ranch in 1856. SKELTON Creek, which runs into Devil's Gulch, is named after him. Henry married Minnie DUCKER of Modesto and is a retired Park Ranger and stage driver. He was Supervisor of District 5, 1932 to 36. Al married Mable CONVERSE of GREELEY Hill, drove horse stage and later the bus into Yosemite, and was also employed by the government. Tom married Dora SAGE of Plainsburg, followed carpentry and mining. They had four children. The SKELTONS were great hunters and fishermen in their active days. Mary- don't know if you had this transcription , hope you enjoyed it! There is also a picture of the Boys:-)! Best, Carolyn

Hi Folks- I just received a copy of the 100 Year Anniversary of the Gazette- 1854-1954 I bought it off of eBay. It is similiar in style to the 125 Year publication...although printed on actual newspaper. I see lots of familiiar names......... Wonder if they are planning a 150 year edition! Will have to ask............ Will post some tidbits of interest to you........and me! Carolyn

Greetings, I am forwarding this message to my group called "Cemetery Resources." I hope you will take the time to learn about the problems the people in Indiana are having with "portable" cemeteries. Their state laws are enabling development to play checkers with their cemeteries by allowing them to move cemeteries almost at will. Please take the time to review the petition Lois Mauk has included. I will be having the members of our commission sign the petition and am planning a personal letter to the Indiana representative indicated on the petition. For those who don't know, California's laws provide that when cemeteries are relocated there must be an effort to notify any potential next of kin, either through personal correspondence or by publishing notice in the newspaper. Apparently Indiana does not. Many of the pioneers who rest in California's historic cemeteries are natives of Indiana. Just as we are trying to protect their final resting places, some good people in Indiana are trying to do the same for our pioneer's ancestors in their state. I encourage you all to collect signatures on a copy of this petition and let the representatives in Indiana know that the eyes and "monitors" of California are watching. This nation's historic cemeteries are jeopardized daily. Yesterday on CNN you may have seen the story of the historic cemetery that is being asked to relocated so they may extend the runway at O'Hare airport in Chicago. It's time to take a stand and tell our respective government officials that there is a reason they are called Final Resting Places. Thank you in advance for considering this request. Sue Silver, President El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission ssilver1951@jps.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Lois Mauk <LoisMauk@home.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Petition is on-line and ready for distribution > Dear Friends: > > I've done some tweaking and I've incorporated several excellent suggestions in > the letter and petition form calling on the Indiana Legislature to overhaul > the statutes which currently permit the quick and easy dismantling and > relocation of our pioneer family cemeteries. The documents are on-line in a > single PDF document at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/Petition-Disinterment.PDF > > You will need the FREE Adobe Acrobat READER on your system to open the PDF > link listed above. You can download it from: > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html > > I've also linked the Petition documents to a new INPCRP page on the subject of > DISINTERMENT, which I will link tomorrow to the main INPCRP page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/disinterment.html > > While this is the "final" letter and Petition, if you see something that > really needs to be changed, just let me know and I'll update it. > > I have included two different Petition forms: One is a "long form" that > includes a good deal more text and room for only 5 signatures. The other is a > "short form" with less text and room for ten signatures. I suggest you print > out both and, if potential signers want to know more about the situation, give > them the "long form", maybe with the included page of pertinent statute > language. > > This question has come up before, and I feel we should welcome signatures from > cemetery friends from OUTSIDE the State of Indiana. I think it's important > that the Legislators know that "the world is watching" what happens here. > > Though we don't ask for signers' ages on the Petition form, I favor collecting > signatures only from persons over 18 years of age. If you have someone (young > OR old) with a strong opinion on this subject, ask him or her to write a short > personal letter to Rep. Markt Lytle and, if you send it in with your signed > Petitions, we will include those letters in the package we will be > hand-delivering to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. I'm sure he will pay close > attention to letters from children and young people as a further demonstration > of the wide range of interest in protecting our pioneer cemeteries. > > I'm really excited about the possibility of collecting a TON of signatures on > this project. We will, of course, keep you posted on the numbers when the > petitions start rolling in. > > If anyone should ask, the names and addresses collected in this Petition drive > will not be released or provided to anyone other than Rep. Markt Lytle, though > I will be tabulating the number of Petition signatures received from the > various Indiana counties and from outside the State and making that NUMERICAL > information available. > > Thank you for all your interest in and support of this endeavor. And thanks > to Jack Briles for permitting us to use his P.O. Box address to receive signed > Petitions. > > Lois Mauk > State Coordinator > Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > > >

More on James D. Savage... At Fort Hall, the group decided to take the southern route (Applegate Trail) into Oregon. It was a new route, unbroken, as yet untried by wagons. At the fork in the road, where the Applegate Trail leaves the California Trail, Jim Savage decided not to continue into Oregon and, instead, joined a California group headed by Lilburn Boggs. Eliza and Jim's families and friends continued on into Oregon. It's anyone's guess why Jim changed his mind. Possibly some people in the group became alarmed at the distance down Mary's River and were disillusioned with the Applegates' judgement of distances. Their fears were well-founded. Winter descended early that year and few of the Oregon-bound group escaped the rest of their journey unscathed. It would be three more miserable months, December 27, 1846, before James' brother, Morgan, arrived in the Willamette Valley. Meanwhile, Eliza and Jim followed the California Trail. Somewhere near what is now Donner Pass, possibly at Lake Mary, Eliza Savage died, soon after giving birth. It was late September, snowing, and very cold. They buried her as best they could in a rocky ravine. It's said that at the burial Jim mourned and howled like a wolf, begging to be buried with Eliza. When someone suggested they comply with his request, he stopped howling. Jim Savage placed the baby into the care of a woman in the group and probably left, headed towards Sutter's Fort. On 10 October 1846, he joined the California Battalion, Company F. He wasn't exactly a model soldier. On 7 December 1846, during the march from Monterey to Los Angeles, he was court martialed. It's said that his discontentment evolved after witnessing the brutal treatment given to a Native American in the group. Nonetheless, he continued with Fremont's Battalion until the end. Later he worked for Sutter, probably May 1847 - March 1848. It appears that he may have spent time working on the saw mill with Marshall. At some time after the discovery of gold, he went to the southern gold mining area, Big Oak Flat/ Agua Fria/ Mariposa County. Fluent with languages, he developed a "relationship" with the local Native Americans. Like a sailer with a girl in every port, Jim possibly had a wife in every tribe. His wives numbered somewhere between three and thirty-three. The Indians brought him gold; he gave them bits of cloth and trinkets. He made a fortune, barrels of gold dust it was reported. He opened successful trading posts, two on the Merced River, one on Mariposa Creek, and another on the Fresno river. He led the Mariposa Battalion. Later, he was a "licensed Indian Trader." When Tulare county was created, he was appointed an election commissioner. The last eighteen months of James Savage's life are well documented. If anyone is interested in reading about his California years, 1850-1852, a couple of good books are: "Jim Savage and the Tulareno Indians" by Annie Mitchell "California's Agua Fria" by Raymond Wood On 16 August, 1852, at Campbell's Ferry, Major James D. Savage was shot to death by Walter Harvey. Jim was 29 years old. According to David Ferris in "Judge Marvin and the Founding of the California Public School System," Walter Harvey, already envious of James Savage's successful trading ventures, was the leader of a group of men who were interested in promoting white supremecy. In retaliation for Indian complaints that white squatters were on their land, Harvey led a raid against an Indian rancheria, killing women and children. James Savage made it clear to Harvey that the Indian treaties had been violated. Harvey told him to keep away from Kings River country or he'd never come out alive. The inevitable showdown occurred at Campbell and Poole's Ferry. Fists flew until James Savage's gun fell from his waistband. At that point, Walter Harvey shot him five times. Jim Savage died instantly. In 1855, Dr. Lewis Leach, one of his partners, had a ten foot granite shaft erected over the grave of James Savage. Since then, the grave and shaft have been moved several times. They now sit on a small hill overlooking Hensley Lake in Madera County. Other than the granite shaft, there's little to mark James Savage's existence. His signature has never turned up on any document, giving rise to the theory that he was illiterate (He probably wasn't, since the rest of his family was literate). His name is on the 1850 census but can't be found on the 1852 census. There is no known photograph of him although one was probably taken in San Francisco in 1850. The original trading posts are gone. There is evidence that James and Eliza's baby - the history books say it was a girl, the Savage family says it was a boy - probably survived for a few years. The child isn't mentioned in James' estate documents. His barrels of gold dust and trading post fortune mysteriously disappeared after his death. It's said that the local Indians were flush with gold dust for a year after. His creditors were paid thirty cents on the dollar. But Jim Savage did leave controversy and mystery behind. Who was he, really? A very intelligent young man who, without the shackles of family respectibilty, lost his social inhibitions? A master manipulator of men? An exploiter of the Indians? Was his concern for the Native Americans self-serving or genuine? Regardless, Anne Mitchell speculates that, had James Savage lived, he would have become a very powerful political leader in early California statehood. By the time of his death in 1852, he wielded tremendous influence over the Indians as well as the whites. Remember the man dressed in the coarse cotton sheet that reached his knees, bare headed and bare footed, who entered Brownlee's store with three wives trailing behind? It's interesting to consider the course California politics would have taken had that man, Major James D. Savage, been one of our first governors. Anne Trussell atru@ns.net

James D. Savage, 1823-1852 I've spent five years trying to unearth information on Jim Savage. He's elusive...enigmatic...an anomaly. But he's certainly never boring! Strangely, from what little we know of Jim Savage's early life, he seemed destined for a "normal" pioneer life. According to family history, his parents, Peter and Doritha Savage, left New York in the winter of 1822-23 bound for Illinois. They stopped briefly in Indiana. Jim was probably born there in 1823. The Savage family arrived in Illinois in 1824, settled in Morgan County until 1835 when they moved to Putnam County. Jim's mother died that spring. His father remarried in 1836 and the family moved to Selby County. The history books tell how Jim Savage was kidnapped by Indians and held for days, weeks, months, or even years. One story relates how he and his brother, Morgan, were kidnapped and raised by Indians, passed from tribe to tribe until they reached the west. Not only is there no substance to this myth but I suspect that the source of that story is Jim Savage himself. Apparently he even told the Indians he arrived here on a moonbeam. However, like many pioneers, he arrived in California in a most conventional way, overland via wagon. In Illinois, on 4 December 1845, he married Eliza Hall. In early 1846, Jim and Eliza left Illinois with a large group of relatives and friends, heading west. He wore a black coat with the word "Oregon" painted on the back in large, red letters. Part 2 to follow... Anne Trussell atru@ns.net

Good Morning, Since the topic of James D. Savage comes up on this list occasionally, it seems a good time to post his short biography, which was originally posted to CA-GOLDRUSH-L in June 1998. This was in response to the following excerpt from the book "An American Odyssey: The Autobiography of Robert Brownlee" which had been posted by Bob Norris: > "Before the war[1850/51 Indian?], Major Savage who commanded the[Mariposa] > battalion, lived with the Indians just as much as any of the bucks, even > though Indiana[NY birth?] was his native state. When I first saw him, he was > traveling in a very unbecoming manner. All he had on was a coarse cotton sheet > which came to his knees, was bare headed and bare footed, with three wives > following him, one after another a little distance apart, and an equal > distance in advance of the oldest of the three, who was about 16 years of age. > The other two being about 12 or 14 near as I could judge. If you are interested in reading more of Jim Savage and early Mariposa County, William Disbro posted four "Early History" messages to this list in 1999. These were from the January 18, 1879 issue of the Mariposa Gazette. To see them, go to the Rootsweb Interactive search site: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter "camaripo-l." Search the 1999 database for "savage and disbro." Jim Savage's biography will follow in separate messages. Anne Trussell atru@ns.net

After much careful research, it has been > > discovered that the artist > > Vincent Van Gogh had many relatives. Among themwere: His dizzy > > aunt......................................Verti Gogh > > The brother who ate > > prunes..........................Gotta Gogh > > The constipated > > uncle...............................Cant Gogh > > The brother who worked at a convenience > > store.......Stopn Gogh > > The grandfather from > > Yugoslavia.....................Hugh Gogh > > The cousin from > > Illinois............................Chica Gogh > > His magician > > uncle.............................Wherediddy Gogh > > His Mexican > > cousin..................................Amee Gogh > > The Mexican cousin's American half > > brother..........Grin Gogh > > The ballroom dancing > > aunt...........................Tan Gogh > > A sister who loved > > disco............................Go Gogh > > The nephew who drove a stage coach > > ...............Wellsfar Gogh > > The bird lover > > uncle................................Flamin Gogh > > The fruit loving > > cousin.............................Man Gogh > > An aunt who taught positive > > thinking................Wayto Gogh > > The little bouncy > > nephew............................Poe Gogh > > And his niece who travels the country in a > > van....Winnie BayGogh >

Hi Folks- it's that time again------------- Listmember Mike White has had his wonderful article on his John Holley Family published in the latest Sentinel (publication of the Mariposa History Center/Museum) If you would like your family story to be published in the next Sentinel please be in touch with me....... Thanks, Carolyn

I'm very interested in the Savage family also ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Feroben" <sweetwater@sierratel.com> To: <CAMARIPO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: [CAMARIPO] SAVAGE FAMILY- > Anne, can you please be in touch with me Re: John D Savage family > > Thanks, Carolyn > > > > ==== CAMARIPO Mailing List ==== > List of All of California Genealogy Discussion Lists: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_states-ca.html >

Sorry folks- but there seems to be a problem with a listmembers mail- this is the only way I can communicate with her- need to let her know that her mail is bouncing! Sharon, The last four emails I have sent you (privately) have bounced-------I hit reply to your messages (so I did not make any typos!) and received four different bounce messages- here is the last one I received Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:31:38 -0700 Message-ID: <10107251431.AA00532@sierratel.com> From: "Postmaster" <postmaster@sierratel.com> Sender: <postmaster@sierratel.com> To: <sweetwater@sierratel.com> Subject: Undeliverable Mail X-Mailer: <SMTP32 v20010131> Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 921073717 undeliverable to rubyslippers@kc.rr.com Original message follows. Received: from sierratel.com [209.155.25.147] by sierratel.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA92323600D4; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:30:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5F3A51.E135F598@sierratel.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:29:53 -0700 From: Carolyn Feroben <sweetwater@sierratel.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rubyslippers <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: 1872 Great Register References: <043f01c1155f$cd5bb3a0$a0101a41@kc.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------93617A25825A4D9C87F19599" --------------93617A25825A4D9C87F19599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last three emails I have sent you have bounced!!

Anne, can you please be in touch with me Re: John D Savage family Thanks, Carolyn

Clough Family Researchers========== Please be in touch- A Phillips famly researcher wants to be in touch with you regarding this family--- John W. Phillips' daughters, Theresa or Thirza, married a Alfred Gilman Clough. The article notes that "Thirza" was born in Mineral Point, Wisconsin. Thanks, Carolyn