Jim, I don't know the answers. I know that there is this or that and we all are digging and I want to find what is he truth about this if Ii can. I cannot believee that all of these Powell relationships are incidental. But that is me, saying, well,, hell, why are the Baily family important......I a not finding baily marriages with the calverts and the lore is they arrived from england with them. If you wish to know the truth I do feel i am on right track. To much attention has been focused upon the Joshua Harlan line for thesee Calverts. It really in myy heart doesn't make any dif. but hell, you don't have a bunch of the same family lines and others saying the smae thing and be of Irish origin if you are not. This bugs me to no end. Jim Ray and I have been writing about this quite a bit. I had decideddd after a year of looking that there was no other isaac at all. But when i began to look real hard for oother spellingss, then i stumbled on Alexander and at least one other person was trying to show him as the Isaac who M Eliz. Gart 1768. look at it this way: If all who seek robert and his orphaan children, george dye whho m Sarah Hannah Calvert are looking at finding the truth, then we are looking at the same people. I know that Robert is the borther of my ancestor. I do not believe he is of Joshua Calerts line. As much attribution is there, i believe it to be wrong. If it is right, then good and well. There are enough people of my family line that say that is wrong for me to stick to what I was told in the beginning. Even those whoo wouldd commonly accept that the Harlans of WV are Irish which at least one descendent disagreesss with. Heavens, something has to be there somewhere. Oh. I do not in my heart believe John B 1766 is as you have thought,, but that is my gut feeling. Almost all who have researched this think he is as you say... and that ties to a different Calvert Family. I do know the result of that lineage to the Taylor family. I believe it is wrong. I am almost as sure that this is wrong as I amm that my calvertss are out of MD is true. 3 marriages, to powells, Taylors to my line and who is John's father? just me. I am going with what the family said and this john via the taylor connection is not the irish calverts. I would bet money on it. No proof. just family. I wish something one way or the other wouldd give cuz this is driving me nuts. Regards, dai dai "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde -- James Calvert <j.calvert@comcast.net> wrote: I hoped you had stumbled onto something. In fact, I think you have, but we have not put the right blocks together. You may be right that there is a definite inter-relationship of all these Calverts with a common origin. Something more on which you can speculate; George the Younger had a son John who was born c.1742. The son disappeared from view about the time of the Revolutionary War. People have speculated that he died in the war. Others have tried to tie him into their family lines. I only offer this without saying this is even a possibility. Too, there is another John Calvert who is found in the VA/DE-MD area in the minutes of the Monmouth Monthly Meeting. No one knows his origin and only notes that he moved to PA. He was one of the founders of this meeting as I remember. The time is right, but there is no proof. I do hope all of those who perpetrated the Calvert fraud are now slowly roasting somewhere in the Netherlands. Jim At 08:45 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Sorry... Goes to show you when you do stuff off the top of your head it >gets you in truble...I should have said that I was speculating about it... >I don't know for sure who John 1766 parent is. and yes I know that the >John that you are referring to in Mifflin. No, I do not have proof and >should have noted that. The Powell thing I find interesting because of >the association of William and Jacob and also Jane plus the elder Powell >marriage. Also the tie to The Taylor marriage that comes back down to >Virginia Taylor, my mother's cousin. This is her paternal line and on her >maternal side her mother was a >lemasters and my Great Grandmother was Martha Lemasters of Isaac and >Christina Criss. > >I do know this: That there is an Alexander Calvert who marries Mary >WHealer in Somerset Co MD in 1744. Their son Isaac b 1747. There is old >Swedes recorded marriage of Isaac to Elizabeth Gart in 1768. It is >posited that someone found a marriage of an Isaac by 1742 or 9 to >a Frances Bullock as we have all discussed. Of course in my own >appraisal of family data Isaac m fanny Bullitt. Now keep in mind >I have an inking that this isaac is the father to Thomas and not the Isaac >everyone else is looking at but we do have the Will of Robert >and the whole bunch is there of Isaac's descent just about. Sons and Dau. >and so on. David > > > > >"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde > >-- James Calvert <j.calvert@comcast.net> wrote: >David, > >Do you have the proof of John Calvert being the son of Reuben >Calvert? This would, of course, overturn the research that John Calvert >who married Esther Jones was the son of John Calvert who resided in Upper >Bald Eagle township of Mifflin County at the same time as John, Jr.. That >being the case, then John who married Esther is not the brother of Job and >Jacob Calvert. These two are definitely tied to the elder John Calvert >through the 1790s tax rolls of Mifflin County. The elder John Calvert had >two younger males living in the household at the time of the 1790 >census. We have always assumed these were Job and Jacob. (The county tax >rolls seem to substantiate this.) > >John Calvert who married Esther is listed on the 1790 Federal Census as >John, Jr.. The elder John Calvert is cited as simply "John Calvert" on >this census. (Upper Bald Eagle township and Potter township later became a >part of Centre County.) It was assumed through information handed down by >the various family members that John, Job and Jacob of Belmont County were >brothers. But, other than the tradition of elders handing down this >belief to their descendants, we have no definite proof of this. > >It makes the whole thing even more interesting. > >Jim Calvert > >At 05:01 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > >Jim, > > > >I had the marriage of William and Jane Craig. This is the son of John > >Calvert. > > > >Here is why I find this William interesting ...due to the Powells. The > >Powells Calverts and others came out of MD to PA and western VA as > >the frontier opened and indian troubles began to subside. My line not > >documented but I believe that Isaac Calvert my line was William Isaac > >of John Calvert below b 1692. > > > >Jacob Calvert b1797 M Mary Powell abt 1795 married 1822. > >William Calvert c1799 M Rachel Powell c1799 m 1822. > >These two are sisters, dau. of James Powell and unknown wife. > >Ohio County marriages index at Marshall County, Court H. However > >the actually occurred in Ohio County at the time of the events. William > >and Jacob are sons of John Calvert b MD b 1766 m "Hetty" Esther Jones. His > >father Was Reuben Calvert who m Sarah Cromwell. Reuben's father was > >George Calvert the Younger b 1694. He is brother to John B1692 and his > >children are the alias Harrisons. > > > >Jcaob had Dau Jane who M Benjamin Taylor the Elder. His son Benjamin > >Franklin Taylor m Mary Ann Mobley and had Job Taylor who moved back across > >the OH to Wetzel. His son Friend Taylor who married Sarah Lemasters, > >mother of Virginia my mothers cousin who m Anglo Ballard, from who I have > >received much material. Sarah is of Isaac's line, died about 1980. My > >Grandmother was Isaac Lemasters and Christina Criss' Daughter, Martha who > >m John Ewing Calvert b 1856 Silver Hill Wetzel and who was Shot and killed > >at the Calvert Saloon in West, New Years Morning of 1906. Martha went to > >OK with son Arthur and her 3 youngest Children. Arthurs wife Lena died > >with one twin in 1904. The other twin did not survive 1906. Dau. Hazel and > >son Elmer went to OK. Hazel stayed with Lena's siblings until 1919 which > >was when she actually came to > >OK. Arthur m3 Amanda Sylvesta Rose and of issue of this marriage only my > >mother survives: Dorthey Lee Calvert. > > > >Walter Calvert is the son of William. Got that and children. I did not > >know about the other marriages. Now, I wonder who this Mary Powell is? > >For Mary and Rachel Powell I show James Powell, unknown mother. This > >would be contemporary with your Walter b 1779? > > > >Walter, b. 1791, d. 1866, married three times: Mary Powell, Parthena > >Gregg, and Rachel Stern. I did not know about the other marriages. I > >listed 4 children by Mary, Jane, Powell, Evan and William. When you get a > >moment you might enlighten me about the issue of the other marriages etc. > >I know this Walter is the son of William and his farther Thomas who m > >Sarah Williamson. > > > >dai > > > > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== > >Please do not send spam warnings, chain letters, attachments and/or html > >or rich text formatted email to the list. 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