Joanne, You are correct...the lands came to George with his title, not Leonard. I am interested in the history of the Calverts and since I am doing genealogical research on my line, I have begun to dig into the more historic English heritage which includes Ireland since my Paternal line is from Armagh. I have taken one member of the lineage at a time and worked on each one for a period of time just to gather information. I would be interested myself to travel to Ireland for this purpose. That will be a ways down the road as I have much work to do here first. I had read the piece on the Longford and though the Calverts had extreme influence and power perhaps Drumlish would have been more approporiate in the end considering the antics of his lordship Frederick. I didn't think I said Wales. If so I was alluding to something else I guess. David --- Joanne Yundt Calvert <ladybaltimore@comcast.net> wrote: Okay David, your history is better than mine. When did the Calverts gain land in Wales. It was not until George, 1st Lord Baltimore that they held land in Ireland when he was awarded the title Baron of Baltimore in 1625 and therefore, referred to as Lord Baltimore. Correction: According to the below listed article, he received lands in 1621 when he was made Chief Secretary of Ireland, the lands belonging to the O'Farrells, renouncing his estate in Longford, appointments and privileges when he becasme a Catholic in 1624. We have another problem here in that his lands were in County Longford, some 20000 acres. Most history books refer to the property as acreage in County Longford. On a flight to Ireland, I asked a young woman from County Longford if she knew where Baltimore was--the answer was Baltimore, the port town on the southern coast of Ireland. I did find an article at The Maryland Historical Society: Ardagh & Clonmacnoise Antiquarian Society Journal, 1942, vol II, No. 8, pp. 88-94 "Baltimore" by Very Rev. M. Canon J. Masterson who proposes the the actual lands given to Lord Baltimore were " Coming to the grant made to Calvert in the barony of Longford, we find the following:--Drumlish, Barragy, Derawley, Moneyachill(Ohill?), Shanabegg, Corlea, Janabegg (Eanbegs?), Garveoghill (Gar-rohill), and a number of townlands now obsolete. Besides these 2324 acres of arable land he was granted 1400 acres of bog and wood. A large portion of the said bog lies on both sides of the road from Currygranny to Cloonageehir. In this latter townland I found Baltimore; or rather Canon Gray found it for me. His parish, Bornacoola, includes several townlands in Co. Longford, and he informs me that part of Cloonageehir which lies along the east bank of the Rinn river is still called Baltimore. Thus Bornacoola has the double honor of supplying Lord Calvert, the noble Catholic peer, with his title, and of lending a name to the Primatial See of the greatest Republic in the world. I freely admit that there is an element of conjecture in my "find" and my conclusion. I found in Longford, Ballymores and Barraghmores, at first, but nowhere Baltimore. I looked for it is in Cashel. Then, in a fortunate moment, I told Canon Gray that, beyond all doubt, Lord Baltimore, founder of the great city and of Maryland State had his title from Longford, and what he told me was not quite a revelation but a striking discovery of what I had sought for, and about which I am quite content. Before I leave this subject of my search for "Baltimore in Longford," may I observe that George Calvert could hardly select an artistic title from any other part of his property? The two chief centres of his property could not allure him. Lord Ulfeete, or Lord Drumlish sound barbaric in comparison with Lord Baltimore. May I stress again that George Calvert was created a peer and chose his title while still in Longford; and that having found casually but fortunately one "Baltimore in Long! ford" we are not likely to find another." Later in the article, with reference to the awarding of the title, George accepted the title, but not the tainted lands. My husband and I had hoped to visit Baltimore, County Longford on a trip to Ireland and were sadly disappointed not to be able to do so. Have you ever done any research on the lands and title in Ireland? Joanne Calvert ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves.