Jim, Regarding Dale Harlan...I copied out the pages of wetzel co. history book at wetzel library. he discusses in his family history portion of the book, grandpa said this and that. He of course was a grandson of the harlan calvert line but he was not talking about Hampton Lee Calvert. He was talking of his Harlan grandparent. Hampton lee is my line and did not nor did anyone of this line ever indicate the irish line of ancestry. I spent 8 days in wv and was toured around by Ray Calvert, son of Vance Ranlett Calvert. I obtained a photo of a pencil drawing of Albert Gallatin and his wife Mary A. "polly" cain. Many stories. On saturday or sun, my first week, John Pyles came over to ray's house and spent 3 hours visiting. John, bro of Bryce Pyles was a hoot as was ray. Ray talked about his grandfather, David Webster who walked from Silverhill to Blacksville and back, including a twp called fairview? haven't listened to the tape but DW's favorite saying was sigh by god. I have at least two good stories to relate on that. HL died at the calvert farm and is buried there on the knob where albert g and polly are buried. I have a photo of the stone. the only thing left now is the celler house. the barn and house are gone but i have a photo of the house and barn from 1969. I am not sure of what to make of Hiram but I think the info I passed to you is of your line. Don't go overboard on it because I have been unable as yet to seperate the various ancestors and make it work. Dale Harlan I abelieve is now deceased. I spoke with eloise baker last fall and she pointed me to him. I called all over Portland and the various towns where he lived and could not find him(this is my opine). Too many poeple read HL calvert as saying this and that in that family history but i cannot believe that it was HL and cannot recall Dale's Harlan ancestry. There is only 1 calvert in that cem and that is his wife or his father's wife.....can't recall which now. Dale was an attny and documented as much as he could. what i found was a treasure but with so much "mixted up things" the best I have to go on are 3 dif. references to Calverts to Isaac, Ida's letter and a presumption in the beginning that your line is different than mine, or, we are both following things which are not proved, have no data, etc. The letter from Ida settles it for me along with family heritage from both the calvert and lemasters lines. My visits were fruitful in most cases. Greene co library at the U is so extensive as to require a good bit of time to sort it out and which books to look in. nothing i looked for there really helped. Wetzel and Marshall were good as they had separated records out from the generic for calverts so it was much easier for me to find references. Green Co. Cthouse is a mess. That co. with so much historical heritage should be doing something to preserve and present documents. Loudoun co va and fairfax proved fruitful. I went to watersford va union cem to get photos and only found possibly 4 of the ones i was looking for. Louden itself provided much documentation and may tie into the calvert alias harrison saga. I hope someone can go spend time at Mon co. If you look at how Greene co was formed it demonstrates the controversy over records. part from here or there etc. most from VA and some from old PA and it was something that will take another visit. Must include Lafyette co and others. see the usgenweb site. finding the blacksville stuff is crucial to me. IT shows that the two lines are separate along with letters and notes and now 3 sources that show Isaac father of my thomas c., son of Cecilius. There is william calvert mixed in but i have not sorted that out nor Reason calvert. HE's son, reason is not the reason of cass mo, which was the question I was asking before of yourself and others. so much for that. Your isaac is not my isaac but their issue and ancestors is being mixed among at least two, possibly 3 or 4 family lines. I know I probably added more complexity to the issue. My associate family researchers breathed a sigh of relief based on what I have found thus far....we are sure that Thomas is our thomas, and your thomas is a different one. apparently Isaac is not your isaac though being mixed up with the isaacs b 1740s. this has been my feeling all along without proof, just bibles etc from the family and tradition that says not quaker. I will add this: If your isaac was at brandywine, he is not the isaac of Josh. and deborah. I do not think that early that the separation of faith is as succinct as to firmly attribute isaac to J and D. more of the mixing I believe. But that is my interpretation of events and people etc. The Harrison Connection in my line vexes me to no end. It is the reaqson I have looked so hard at the calvert alias harrison(harris) saga. IF Cecilius b 1702 is the ancestor(No known marriage or issue) is one thing. If Thomas Calvert Alias Harrison is the ancestor is another. At fairfax co. cthouse i did find one document on thomas alias signed that way. I have an 86 page document on this so if you want to peek at it, let me know. That re searcher says that this line of claverts is def. not quaker. in the period of time prior to the rev or maybe before 1800, their names were based upon behaviors. This researcher supports my contention about where my line(possibly yours) originated. take all this with a grain of salt. Isaac came to greene co in the late 1700s. Thomas is documented as being a millright and establishing a saw mill and grist mill on dunkard creek. etc. Add to what I showed in the Ida letter and other items she wrote, the very least of which demonstrates that many people are looking for their ancestry in a mixed up line of calverts(colbert, colvert, etc). David "Time is intemperate--it slides, blindly trying to find the way into hidden places--In those spaces, time falls--hearts yearn, I."Excerpt from the Poem Time by David Edwin Bell --- "James Ray" <jrray@worldnet.att.net> wrote: David: Thanks so much for your reply. Look forward to your conclusions and any data you may provide later. I do agree that there is sure a mixing of Calverts here. Some items do puzzle me. (1.) In your previous e-mail to CALVERT-L: You show Robert Calvert, will book 1, page 72 of Cumberland Twp. Liza J 8 31 1804 to Alice Calvert bond, 95 lbs., by Isaac Calvert and T Livingston. Then: Sarah Calvert, Mary Calvert, Abraham Miller...Widow for keeping children, Negro for digging grave, Jess was 6 years 8 mos., jabey 4 yrs, Rezin 2, Hirim 1. The above seems to be my Hiram Calvert. In Orphans Court (1808) for Greene Co. I have this: "On the petition of Alice Calvert widow and administrator of Robert Calvert late of Greene County deceased setting forth that the said Robert Calvert left children Isaac aged eight years, Jabez aged six years, Rezin aged five years, and Hiram aged four years..." (2.) This is probably coincidental, but the mention of the names Harlan's cemetery and Dale Harlan remind one of Deborah Harlan, grandmother to Isaac Calvert of Chester. And, curiously Brandywine Creek does run through Chester Co. (3.) It seems almost biblical that Isaac atttains 122 years of age and his wife 110. Jim Ray ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves.

David: Thanks. Perhaps we do have the same Isaac, and mine does not go back to Chester. Here's some more on the Chester Calvert's, however. Isaac Calvert (b. ca. 1749) of Chester and brother Joshua Calvert were disowned by the Quakers in the 1760's. Either could have been in the Rev. War. Cope, Smedley Genealogy. John Calvert (ca. 1689-1739), uncle to Isaac, was known as "father of the colony", referring to Orange Co., VA, later Frederick Co. Source: Buckey, "The History of the Calverts who Were Quakers." It seems these Calverts drifted in and out of Quakerism. John's parents were no longer Quakers when he was born, yet he helped establish the Quaker colony in Orange Co., VA. I looked in Buckey for Harlans who might have gone to Orange Co., but could not find any. I took this off-line as it can't be of much help to others. I think I'll step back now and reread your e-mails and do some more research. Talk to you later. Jim Ray