Jim, When we begin to think about these various gen family investigations it doesn't take long to take them with a grain of salt...use them as a pointer, not the fact. There is a tie betw my calverts and the delany's(various sp). one of my grandfather's sisters married william "teed" delaney. I found the ancestry in an appendix in that book rd furlong furlong-delaney and kindred families. In Harlan's epistle in the wetzel history book you have a clear line to the the irish quakers but that was from the maternal not paternal line. in a work done by a defunction calvert gen outfit in wetzel, they also had isaac but stuck a reason in the middle and i cannot for the life of me figure that out. my reason was son of hugh ewing calvert but b about 1825, not the one that goes to cass mo(my family farm lay in that county). I have been as confused as anyone trying to figure out who thomas c belonged to. when you, jim calvert, dean mills and ? mcandless came along i thought, finally, here are folks looking at same area and people but then a short time later i began to recognize that this is at the very least two distinct families and we are all claimi8ng this or that guy as ancestor. Deepwater twp is at the foot of what is known now as amarugia hghts or highlands and there is a brief book pubished on the area. it was notorious for a period of time and lies in the order #11 area of Cass co mo abandoned by decree of the union general in command of the forces in the area at the time. I am pretty sure now with multiple family letters documenting isaac 1735 as the ancestor of my line that this is not the same as that of Joshua and Deborah. But it could be vice versa, ie, isaac in my line b 1742 for example. but two refernces out of greene co indicating the isaac d age 122 and of the va calvert line is much different that the other calverts who settled in Pa in other areas. Dunkard creek area being part of Mon co Va and another co of va before that before being reassembled as part of Greene. That a thomas built two mills on tributaries of Dunkard creek is another indication....he hauled the mill works over the mountains from MD. Further, none of the children are named via behavior patterns ie, obedience, etc though there is a charity in your line and perhaps another similar name. these are just not quakers. even your line imho. So could it be as i noted that the isaac of brandywine is my isaac and yours at the same time and we have been following false leads? I don't know. I do know that the isaac of my line died in PA and not out in Indiana. I thought for a good long while that Dean Mills put me in the chase but found later that this couldn't be the same line of calverts. so at least two and possibly 3 lines. If you read this board...check the posts by Laree mcDaniels as well... you will find a common thread of thinking which indicates that the frances fanny bulet of various spellings was cuthbert bullitts dau. and her lines are adjacent to mine cooksey fairfax etc to my calvert lemasters and now john. Add in Ewings who were from Ireland and mix it up with clare(clair) etc and it gets to be fun. among other lines and thinking....David "Time is intemperate--it slides, blindly trying to find the way into hidden places--In those spaces, time falls--hearts yearn, I."Excerpt from the Poem Time by David Edwin Bell --- "James Ray" <jrray@worldnet.att.net> wrote: David: Thanks. Perhaps we do have the same Isaac, and mine does not go back to Chester. Here's some more on the Chester Calvert's, however. Isaac Calvert (b. ca. 1749) of Chester and brother Joshua Calvert were disowned by the Quakers in the 1760's. Either could have been in the Rev. War. Cope, Smedley Genealogy. John Calvert (ca. 1689-1739), uncle to Isaac, was known as "father of the colony", referring to Orange Co., VA, later Frederick Co. Source: Buckey, "The History of the Calverts who Were Quakers." It seems these Calverts drifted in and out of Quakerism. John's parents were no longer Quakers when he was born, yet he helped establish the Quaker colony in Orange Co., VA. I looked in Buckey for Harlans who might have gone to Orange Co., but could not find any. I took this off-line as it can't be of much help to others. I think I'll step back now and reread your e-mails and do some more research. Talk to you later. Jim Ray ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves.