This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: calvert, hoffman, mcclain Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/699.1 Message Board Post: Hi - I don't suppose your Sarah E. Calvert had any brothers born in Alabama? I'm looking for a Sarah Elizabeth (Sally/Sallie) Calvert born in Polk Co TX in 1863 - her parents were both born in Alabama, this is all I know about them (census info). In 1879 in Waco TX, Sally married John Newton Hoffman (b. 1850 VA); they settled in Ft. Worth TX, where she died in 1945. In my research, it seems people sometimes named children after siblings, in addition to parents, grandparents etc. (Okay, maybe it's a stretch, but this is a big brick wall for me!) If there's any chance of a connection, please write me back! Thanks - Michele McClain Rudd mickeymac67@hotmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: calvert, hoffman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/83.174.177.180 Message Board Post: Hello! I see you have "TEXAS" in your subject line....I'm looking for Alabama-born parents of Sarah Elizabeth (Sally) Calvert, b. 1863 Polk Co, TX; she married John Hoffman (b VA 1850) in 1879, Waco, McLennan Co, TX; they settled in Ft. Worth TX, where she died in 1945. Does this link into any of your Calverts? Thanks - Michele

Please remove me from your list. Bearl Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: <DameBev@aol.com> To: <CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [CALVERT] More history lesson... > <PRE>Thanks Dick, that was very informative. Beverly > > > ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves. > >

Please remove me from your list. Bearl Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christi Calvert Brogan" <christib@satx.rr.com> To: <CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: [CALVERT] More history lesson... > >From the Lower-DelMarVa Roots list... > > ! Christi Brogan ! > ! Visit our homepage at http://christi.is.dreaming.org ! > !****************************************! > ! Everyone has a photographic memory. ! > ! Some don't have film. ! > !****************************************! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carter Dick (LegHall) [mailto:Dick.Carter@state.de.us] > Source: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] Del-Md Boundary Dispute etal > > > I've seen several messages recently on the subject of the early status > of Delaware and specifically those parts of the state which were once > considered part of Maryland. The responses which discuss the status of > "the Three Lower Counties Upon Delaware" seem to indicate some confusion > as to Delaware's connection to Pennsylvania during the 18th Century. If > you don't mind the somewhat excessive length of this e-mail, I thought I > would straighten it out for those who might be interested. > > As all good Delawareans know, the first point of European settlement in > what is now Delaware was the ill-fated Dutch West India Company whaling > settlement at Swaanendael (near present-day Lewes), which was > established briefly in 1631. It's settlers were massacred by local > Indians within a few months and the area wasn't resettled until some 25 > years later, again by the Dutch. The later boundary disputes between > the Calvert family, the Lords Baltimore of Maryland, and the Penn > family, proprietors of Pennsylvania and Delaware, had their origin in > large part because various British monarchs, through ignorance of local > geography, appear to have granted the same lands twice. Their grant to > the Calverts which, if memory serves me, was made in 1632, would appear > to have included all or nearly all of present-day Delaware, but it > included some sort of legal boiler plate which noted that the areas > being granted were subject to change if it could be demonstrated that > some portion the! reof had earlier been settled by another European > power. > > Some 50 years later, after a great deal of water had gone over the dam > in England, i.e., the beheading of Charles I, the Cromwellian > interregnum, the restoration, etc., etc., King Charles II granted to > William Penn the domains which later became Pennsylvania. This was said > to have been in lieu of the repayment of a debt owed by the Crown to > William Penn's late father, Admiral Sir William Penn (who figures > prominently in Samuel Pepys's diary). A short time thereafter, the > younger Penn, having had a chance to study the maps, realized that the > lands he had been granted were a considerable distance from the ocean. > Wanting to improve his position, he began lobbying for the grant of the > additional lands to the south, down to the ocean, which were then held > by the King's brother, James, Duke of York, by virtue of military > conquest. > > This area, which became the three lower counties, had also gone through > a number of changes during the half century since the original > Swaanendael settlement. In 1638, the Swedes had established colonies on > the upper Delaware, including one at the site of present-day Wilmington. > In the late 1650s, the Dutch had largely displaced the Swedes in the > north and had resettled the area at the mouth of the Delaware, which > became known at the Hoernkil, or "The Whorekills." They also > established a larger administrative center (Fort Oplandt) at present-day > New Castle. > > In 1664, the British, under the Duke of York (the future King James II), > went to war with the Dutch and were able to win control of the Dutch > domains in America, including New Amsterdam (which was renamed New York > in the Duke's honor) and those along the Delaware. This state of > affairs remained in place for most of the time until Penn took over in > 1681, except that the Dutch were able to regain control of the Delaware > for a period of about a year in the early 1670s before the English got > it back again. What had been two large administrative districts along > the Delaware Bay under the Dutch became three counties under the Duke of > York, New Castle, Jones (later Kent) and Deale (later Sussex). > > While all this was going on, the Lords Baltimore were hard at work in > the settlement of Maryland. The Calverts were not happy about the > prospect of ceding control of the western side of Delaware Bay to the > Dutch or anyone else, and they sent expeditions of raiders to the > village known as Hoernkil (Lewes) several times in the 1660s and 1670s. > At the same time their boundary with Eastern Shore Virginia was also > subject to considerable uncertainly and the Calverts were clearly > worried about holding onto their lands on the lower Eastern Shore of > Maryland. They sought to encourage as much settlement in the area as > possible in order to strengthen their claim. After the Delaware area > was taken over by the Duke of York, their legal position was greatly > weakened for obvious reasons. Surprisingly, one of their incursions > against the future Lewes occurred during the period when the Duke was in > nominal control, which did not help their cause. > > Eventually, William Penn was able to get control of the Three Lower > Counties as well as Pennsylvania, although he was not given the same > type of outright title to this area that he had to Pennsylvania. It was > more a kind of protectorate status, though Penn was very clearly in > possession of full authority to govern the new area. Thus, there was > always a kind of legal difference in the status of the two parts of > Penn's domains. > > Penn gave Kent and Sussex and the town of Lewes their present names. > For a period of about 23 years the Three Lower Counties shared a common > Assembly with Pennsylvania--the upper counties. But there were > potential differences between the two areas from the very beginning. In > the first place, the lower counties were subject to frequent attack by > pirates along the ocean and bay coasts. The peace-loving Quakers who > were in control were loathe to spend money on raising a military force > to combat these threats, much to the consternation of the Delawareans. > Secondly, it was very clear that as the Pennsylvania domains were vast > compared to the Three Lower Counties, as settlement progressed in > Pennsylvania the political position of the lower counties must > inevitably decline. > > These and other differences led to the formal division of the two areas > in 1704. After that time the Three Lower Counties had their own > separate Assembly and were a separate administrative unit, although they > shared a proprietor and a governor with Pennsylvania. Unlike > Pennsylvania, Delaware never had an executive council and functioned > with just an Assembly until the establishment of the Delaware State in > 1776. > > The Lords Baltimore were much less reluctant to take on William Penn > than they had been the King's brother and by the early 18th century > there began the first in a long series of litigation in the English > courts to establish the proper boundaries between the Three Lower > Counties and Maryland. These actions grew more intense as settlement > progressed in the areas in question and the stakes grew higher. At one > point relatively early in the proceedings the Calverts were > outmaneuvered by the Penns when they allowed the acceptance by the court > of a map which showed Cape Henlopen as being located at the present site > of Fenwick Island rather than where it is actually located some 20 miles > to the north. > > As a practical reality, during the first three quarters of the 18th > century, everything in Sussex County south of the Indian River and west > of a line generally running diagonally from Millsboro to a few miles > east of Greenwood was considered to be in Maryland, but this was never > absolute. And since settlement was minimal in this border area the line > was somewhat hard to fix with any degree of certainty. The Calverts > frequently attempted to grant lands in domains generally held to be > controlled by the Penns and vice-versa as a way of trying to strengthen > their opposing claims. The murder of the tax-collector mentioned by one > correspondent on this subject was not entirely an isolated incident, > though it was the only case I know of in which violence led to murder. > > This is the background which led to the various surveys to establish the > boundary, mandated by the British courts. These culminated in the most > famous survey by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in 1763. It should be > noted that Delaware's southern boundary with Maryland is not technically > a part of the Mason-Dixon Line, despite a continuing belief to the > contrary among many people who live in the area. There is a Mason-Dixon > Motel in Fenwick Island and a Mason-Dixon Shopping Center in Selbyville, > for example. The southern boundary is part of the earlier > Transpeninsular Line, run by homegrown American surveyors in 1750 and > 1751 to establish the middle point of the peninsula beginning at Fenwick > Island. > > Mason and Dixon confirmed that the earlier line was accurate and then > began their survey at the Middle Point (some five miles west of the > present town of Delmar). Having earlier laid out the great circle which > constitutes Delaware's northern border with Pennsylvania, they ran the > boundary line north from the middle point to intersect with this arc > (there was a slight area of variation northwest of Newark known as "The > Wedge", but that is another story). Then, at the point of intersection, > Mason and Dixon turned west and ran the line which now constitutes the > boundary between Maryland and Pennsylvania. This is the most famous > part of the line, the part which historically separated north from > south. Delaware is the only state which is neither north nor south of > the Mason-Dixon Line, but actually east of it. > > It took the courts another 7 or 8 years to officially approve the new > boundaries, which were implemented in 1775, just months before the > beginning of the American Revolution. That struggle resulted, among > other, more momentous changes, in the final annihilation of the claims > of both the Penns and the Calverts. The former Maryland parts of Sussex > County were thenceforth known for several generations as "New Sussex" > while the old, original parts of the county were "Old Sussex." Hope > this is helpful. - Dick Carter > > > > ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://jadis.darktech.org/genealogy/calvert for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. > >

Please remove me from your list. Bearl Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: <RSlaski@msn.com> To: <CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [CALVERT] Re: Obediah clarification > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Calvert,Sherman > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/914.1.2.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > HI Sandy, > Yes I am still here, like you I have not had any time to do anything since the spring. My sister got married in Montreal in > September and my step-brother in October so things have been crazy around here. I am still doing the genealogy in fact > in the next few weeks I hope to have the pictures of great-great grandma Calvert . I also sent you a card did you get it? > I sent it Monday. Let me know, > Thanks Charisa > > > ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing any message from this list. > >

<PRE>Thanks Dick, that was very informative. Beverly

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: calvert, arnold, price Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WQH.2ACEB/379.509.547.567.3.1 Message Board Post: Yes I am still looking. I can be reached directly at calvertsare@cox.net

>From the Lower-DelMarVa Roots list... ! Christi Brogan ! ! Visit our homepage at http://christi.is.dreaming.org ! !****************************************! ! Everyone has a photographic memory. ! ! Some don't have film. ! !****************************************! -----Original Message----- From: Carter Dick (LegHall) [mailto:Dick.Carter@state.de.us] Source: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Del-Md Boundary Dispute etal I've seen several messages recently on the subject of the early status of Delaware and specifically those parts of the state which were once considered part of Maryland. The responses which discuss the status of "the Three Lower Counties Upon Delaware" seem to indicate some confusion as to Delaware's connection to Pennsylvania during the 18th Century. If you don't mind the somewhat excessive length of this e-mail, I thought I would straighten it out for those who might be interested. As all good Delawareans know, the first point of European settlement in what is now Delaware was the ill-fated Dutch West India Company whaling settlement at Swaanendael (near present-day Lewes), which was established briefly in 1631. It's settlers were massacred by local Indians within a few months and the area wasn't resettled until some 25 years later, again by the Dutch. The later boundary disputes between the Calvert family, the Lords Baltimore of Maryland, and the Penn family, proprietors of Pennsylvania and Delaware, had their origin in large part because various British monarchs, through ignorance of local geography, appear to have granted the same lands twice. Their grant to the Calverts which, if memory serves me, was made in 1632, would appear to have included all or nearly all of present-day Delaware, but it included some sort of legal boiler plate which noted that the areas being granted were subject to change if it could be demonstrated that some portion the! reof had earlier been settled by another European power. Some 50 years later, after a great deal of water had gone over the dam in England, i.e., the beheading of Charles I, the Cromwellian interregnum, the restoration, etc., etc., King Charles II granted to William Penn the domains which later became Pennsylvania. This was said to have been in lieu of the repayment of a debt owed by the Crown to William Penn's late father, Admiral Sir William Penn (who figures prominently in Samuel Pepys's diary). A short time thereafter, the younger Penn, having had a chance to study the maps, realized that the lands he had been granted were a considerable distance from the ocean. Wanting to improve his position, he began lobbying for the grant of the additional lands to the south, down to the ocean, which were then held by the King's brother, James, Duke of York, by virtue of military conquest. This area, which became the three lower counties, had also gone through a number of changes during the half century since the original Swaanendael settlement. In 1638, the Swedes had established colonies on the upper Delaware, including one at the site of present-day Wilmington. In the late 1650s, the Dutch had largely displaced the Swedes in the north and had resettled the area at the mouth of the Delaware, which became known at the Hoernkil, or "The Whorekills." They also established a larger administrative center (Fort Oplandt) at present-day New Castle. In 1664, the British, under the Duke of York (the future King James II), went to war with the Dutch and were able to win control of the Dutch domains in America, including New Amsterdam (which was renamed New York in the Duke's honor) and those along the Delaware. This state of affairs remained in place for most of the time until Penn took over in 1681, except that the Dutch were able to regain control of the Delaware for a period of about a year in the early 1670s before the English got it back again. What had been two large administrative districts along the Delaware Bay under the Dutch became three counties under the Duke of York, New Castle, Jones (later Kent) and Deale (later Sussex). While all this was going on, the Lords Baltimore were hard at work in the settlement of Maryland. The Calverts were not happy about the prospect of ceding control of the western side of Delaware Bay to the Dutch or anyone else, and they sent expeditions of raiders to the village known as Hoernkil (Lewes) several times in the 1660s and 1670s. At the same time their boundary with Eastern Shore Virginia was also subject to considerable uncertainly and the Calverts were clearly worried about holding onto their lands on the lower Eastern Shore of Maryland. They sought to encourage as much settlement in the area as possible in order to strengthen their claim. After the Delaware area was taken over by the Duke of York, their legal position was greatly weakened for obvious reasons. Surprisingly, one of their incursions against the future Lewes occurred during the period when the Duke was in nominal control, which did not help their cause. Eventually, William Penn was able to get control of the Three Lower Counties as well as Pennsylvania, although he was not given the same type of outright title to this area that he had to Pennsylvania. It was more a kind of protectorate status, though Penn was very clearly in possession of full authority to govern the new area. Thus, there was always a kind of legal difference in the status of the two parts of Penn's domains. Penn gave Kent and Sussex and the town of Lewes their present names. For a period of about 23 years the Three Lower Counties shared a common Assembly with Pennsylvania--the upper counties. But there were potential differences between the two areas from the very beginning. In the first place, the lower counties were subject to frequent attack by pirates along the ocean and bay coasts. The peace-loving Quakers who were in control were loathe to spend money on raising a military force to combat these threats, much to the consternation of the Delawareans. Secondly, it was very clear that as the Pennsylvania domains were vast compared to the Three Lower Counties, as settlement progressed in Pennsylvania the political position of the lower counties must inevitably decline. These and other differences led to the formal division of the two areas in 1704. After that time the Three Lower Counties had their own separate Assembly and were a separate administrative unit, although they shared a proprietor and a governor with Pennsylvania. Unlike Pennsylvania, Delaware never had an executive council and functioned with just an Assembly until the establishment of the Delaware State in 1776. The Lords Baltimore were much less reluctant to take on William Penn than they had been the King's brother and by the early 18th century there began the first in a long series of litigation in the English courts to establish the proper boundaries between the Three Lower Counties and Maryland. These actions grew more intense as settlement progressed in the areas in question and the stakes grew higher. At one point relatively early in the proceedings the Calverts were outmaneuvered by the Penns when they allowed the acceptance by the court of a map which showed Cape Henlopen as being located at the present site of Fenwick Island rather than where it is actually located some 20 miles to the north. As a practical reality, during the first three quarters of the 18th century, everything in Sussex County south of the Indian River and west of a line generally running diagonally from Millsboro to a few miles east of Greenwood was considered to be in Maryland, but this was never absolute. And since settlement was minimal in this border area the line was somewhat hard to fix with any degree of certainty. The Calverts frequently attempted to grant lands in domains generally held to be controlled by the Penns and vice-versa as a way of trying to strengthen their opposing claims. The murder of the tax-collector mentioned by one correspondent on this subject was not entirely an isolated incident, though it was the only case I know of in which violence led to murder. This is the background which led to the various surveys to establish the boundary, mandated by the British courts. These culminated in the most famous survey by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in 1763. It should be noted that Delaware's southern boundary with Maryland is not technically a part of the Mason-Dixon Line, despite a continuing belief to the contrary among many people who live in the area. There is a Mason-Dixon Motel in Fenwick Island and a Mason-Dixon Shopping Center in Selbyville, for example. The southern boundary is part of the earlier Transpeninsular Line, run by homegrown American surveyors in 1750 and 1751 to establish the middle point of the peninsula beginning at Fenwick Island. Mason and Dixon confirmed that the earlier line was accurate and then began their survey at the Middle Point (some five miles west of the present town of Delmar). Having earlier laid out the great circle which constitutes Delaware's northern border with Pennsylvania, they ran the boundary line north from the middle point to intersect with this arc (there was a slight area of variation northwest of Newark known as "The Wedge", but that is another story). Then, at the point of intersection, Mason and Dixon turned west and ran the line which now constitutes the boundary between Maryland and Pennsylvania. This is the most famous part of the line, the part which historically separated north from south. Delaware is the only state which is neither north nor south of the Mason-Dixon Line, but actually east of it. It took the courts another 7 or 8 years to officially approve the new boundaries, which were implemented in 1775, just months before the beginning of the American Revolution. That struggle resulted, among other, more momentous changes, in the final annihilation of the claims of both the Penns and the Calverts. The former Maryland parts of Sussex County were thenceforth known for several generations as "New Sussex" while the old, original parts of the county were "Old Sussex." Hope this is helpful. - Dick Carter

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Calvert,Sherman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/914.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: HI Sandy, Yes I am still here, like you I have not had any time to do anything since the spring. My sister got married in Montreal in September and my step-brother in October so things have been crazy around here. I am still doing the genealogy in fact in the next few weeks I hope to have the pictures of great-great grandma Calvert . I also sent you a card did you get it? I sent it Monday. Let me know, Thanks Charisa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/914.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Charissa, Wondered if you were still on the circuit. I got absolutely nothing done this summer, like the photographs of the cemetary. I don't know if things will ever slow down. Take Care, Sandy

Thought some of you might be interested in this discussion from the Dutch Colonies list... If you want to respond to the author, you'll need to do that by emailing his address below (not "reply" to this one). But if you want to discuss it with other Calvert researchers, you can do that by replying to this message... Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday! ! Christi Brogan ! ! Visit our homepage at http://christi.is.dreaming.org ! !****************************************! ! You can tell you're a redneck if your ! ! family tree doesn't branch. ! !****************************************! -----Original Message----- From: David Roberts [mailto:droberts@olg.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:34 AM Source: Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-Col] Maryland - Off Topic Bob: No, Maryland was a "Catholic" colony long before James II's time. Actually, Maryland was the "next-door" neighbor of New Netherland following the Dutch conquest of New Sweden in the 1650's. The fact that the Dutch & Swedish settlements on the west side of the Delaware were inside Lord Baltimore's 1632 grant caused the conflict that finally was settled with the drawing of the Mason-Dixon Line in the 1760's, separating Maryland from the Penn territory in Delawere & Pennsylvania. There seems to have been some migration of Dutch families to Maryland. If those who ended up in St. Mary's & have remained Catholics for generation were Catholics in New Netherland or not, I don't know. George Calvert, 1st Lord Baltimore, converted back [or went public to what he already was] to Catholicism while he was an advisor to James I, in the early 1620's [60 years before James II's time]. He wanted a colony in America both to make $$$ and as a refuge for his fellow English Catholics. His first land grant was Avalon in Newfoundland. Weather, mostly, caused that colony to fail. In 1632, he got a grant for a hunk of Virginia north of the Potomac River and "under" the 40th parallel. [This included much of the later New Sweden colony]. Then he died; the charter was given to his son Cecil Calvert, 2nd Lord Baltimore. Cecil remained in England, but sent his brother Leonard to Maryland to establish the colony. [Leonard is the distant ancestor of our United Methodist preacher Rev. Chris Owens, whom I'm cc'ing]. Coming w/ Leonard was Father Andrew White, S. J. Father White celebrated the first Mass in the English Colonies on the Feast of the Annunciation [25 March 1634] on St. Clement's Island in the Potomac River, off the present St. Mary's County shoreline. March 25, this ancient Catholic holiday, is today "Maryland Day" & is a public holiday in the state. A settlement was made at St. Mary's City, named for the Blessed Virgin Mary, shortly thereafter. By 1637, St. Mary's County was established also named for the BVM. Virtually, the entire ruling class of Maryland were Roman Catholics; but few of the servants were. In time, you had a smaller and smaller Catholic minority ruling over a larger and larger Protestant majority. Here is the root of the 1689 Revolution. Cecil instructed his brother Leonard to issue an policy "toleration" which was made law by the assembly in 1649. This gave "toleration" to all Trinitarian Christians ... this quickly allowed an influx of Puritans from Virginia and Quakers from New England to move into Maryland. The Jesuits worked "round the clock" to convert these non-Catholic immigrants, with much success in the southern counties; less so elsewhere in the state. Huge land holdings were granted to the Jesuits by the Lords Baltimore - a few of which are still in Jesuit hands 350+ years later. However, the Lords Baltimore resisted Jesuit pressure to set the Roman Church up as the state religion. They knew that would never fly w/ the English authorities. So, in that sense Maryland was never "Catholic" in the way Virginia was Anglican or Massachusetts Bay Puritan. A small number of English Catholics immigrated, mostly from Lancshire & other northern counties. Conversion of those Protestants who settled in the colony was what helped boost the Catholic population in Maryland. Frequently, the only clergyman in an area was a Jesuit; w/ no Anglican ministers, many Anglicans easily slid back into Catholicism. Lord Baltimore briefly lost Maryland during the English Civil War, but Puritan Oliver Cromwell gave it back. Under Charles II, Maryland prospered. King Charles was not too harsh on his possibly fellow Catholics - after all his mother, wife, & brother all were Catholics. Charles Calvert, 3rd Lord Baltimore, actually lived in America. The foundations of his house are onboard the U. S. Navy naval air station at Patuxent River, Maryland. Charles, 3rd Lord Baltimore, was the one overthrown in the 1689 Revolution. ******The growing Protestant majority resented minority Catholic rule. ******** BOB - HERE'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION Following the 1688 overthrown of Catholic James II, the Protestants formed an army & built a small navy. Lord Baltimore's military forces were overwhelmed. "Catholic" rule ended. Royal government under William & Mary was established. The capital was moved to Protestant Annapolis; in 1692 the Church of England was established as the state church; a series of "anti-Popery" laws were passed; the great brick chapel at St. Mary's City - probably the largest church in the English colonies of any denomination - was pulled down; the celebration of Mass was outlawed in public; etc. When Charles, 3rd Lord Baltimore died, his son jumped ship & became an Anglican. Queen Anne gave the colony back to the now Anglican Calverts. They ruled it until they lost it for the last time after the American Revolution. It is from this Protestant branch that came the wife of Martha Washington's son Jackie Parke Custis. Her grandson George Washington Park Custis & his daughter Mrs. Robert E. Lee and Lee's present day descendants all claim this descent from Lord Baltimore - as do the mulatto children G. W. P. Custis had by his slave mistress at "Arlington" - now Arlington National Cemetery. By the 1730's, the "anti-popery" laws were relaxed somewhat & a few churches was built. St. Francis Xavier near Leonardtown was built in 1731 & is today the oldest standing Roman Catholic church of English origin in the 13 Colonies. By the time of the American Revolution there were about 25,000 Roman Catholics in the colonies. Only those in Pennsylvania were truly free in our modern sense of the word. A scattering were in the other colonies; Maryland had the vast majority of these Catholics; most of them lived in only 4 counties: Frederick, Prince George's, Charles & about 1/2 of the Maryland total in St. Mary's. After the Revolution a large migration of Catholics from Southern Maryland went out to central Kentucky - Marion, Nelson, & Washington counties. This helped depopulate Southern Maryland. 44% of the white people in Charles County left ! :o( Baltimore grew up after the Revolution as the center of American Catholicism. Rev. John Carroll, S. J., from Prince George's County, was elected by the American priests, mostly Jesuits, to be the first bishop. The Pope confirmed the election & appointed Carroll to be the 1st Bishop of Baltimore. The Diocese covered the entire U. S. A. When Baltimore was divided in 1808, Carroll was raised to Archbishop; the other bishops were at Boston, New York, Philadelphia, & Bardstown, Kentucky [for all those Maryland Catholics "gone west"]. The first cathedral, now undergoing restoration, was the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in downtown Baltimore, designed by Latrobe the famous architect. You really can't study American Catholicism with looking at this group here in Maryland, although an interesting book I read did just that. It started the story of American Catholicism with the Irish immigration of the early 19th century; skipping the first 200 years, Oh, well ..... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Protzman, RL (Robert)" <Robert.Protzman@akzo-nobel.com> To: <droberts@olg.com> Cc: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [D-Col] Jesuits & Others in New Netherland > Dave, > > > I was never sure how Maryland came to become a Catholic colony, and > why it with New York (with New England) were the major colonies whose > governments were overthrown in 1689, during the Glorious Revolution. > Jacob LEISLER led > NY to overthrow King James' appointed Governor. It appears that it > was the > events of the Glorious Revolution that also led to the overthrow of > Lord Baltimore's Colony, and that the colony was originally settled > under the Catholic James II. > > Bob >

In 2000 a number of us had the same interest and the following is from a old email. I hope this help you. ******* I have a letter from another person and Letters of my GGRANDFATHER William Marion Calvert MD, who mentions Mrs Bourgeoise coming to visit them for interviews. I found my Anita Calvert Bourgeoise BOOK, "The Calvert Family ­ of­ Maryland and Virginia" There is a stamped date in the book "St. Louis, MO. Public Library, Oct 4, 1919". The book was copywriter in 1916. So the book is at least 83 years old. Thanks to Debbie Wodickers of High Ridge, MO who was kind enough to go to the library and make me a copy as the library would not lend it our on library loan. I had located two books one in St. Louis, MO and the other Fort Wayne, Allen CO., Ind. Dan Whitmire sent me a copy of a Anita Calvert Bourgeoise letter head letter. Email from Elizabeth Calvert a news paper clipping among her grandmothers notes. Newspaper clipping: "Kansas City, Mo., Jan 5, 1913 - The Western Calvert Heirs' Association met here today and resolved to take up the fight of possession of the lands in and around the city of Baltimore that were granted in the 17th century to Lord Baltimore by King James I of England. The estate, for which the association assert they will soon open a legal contest, has an estimated value of $600,000,000." Here are some other email that may be interested in joining our search. They chatted were on the Calvert email last year when the subject on the Calvert Heirs came up. Greg Nelson said that the lawsuit was actually filed in Baltimore, and that the family lost their claim. If you want to look for the suit, I would expect to find it filed in the late 20s or early 30s, and to be title Calvert Heirs v. City of Baltimore. They were still trying to raise money when Cora Hiatt published her Chenaweth history which was Greg Nelson's line. Carolyn Joy ******* The case was filed in the Maryland Supreme Court then withdrawn and filed in the US Supreme Court. ******* Someone in this group has the book by Mrs. Bourgeooise. She was the attorney and Genealogist that handled the case. I to have old letters that discuss the case. And mention my family sending money for the legal fees. I hope to see the book done by Mrs., Bourgeoise. Henry Turner ******* Your mention of Anita Calvert Bourgeoise fits with what I know. A letter that I have dated 1915 is written from Attorney Alexine Hobbs Craig of Gallatin Co. KY. My research indicates that she was a cousin through my Hobbs line. Apparently she was the daughter of my 3rd ggrandmother, Nancy Hobbs's youngest brother, Emory Hobbs. Alexine's letter urges her cousin, Mary Speer to gather the cousins together "to write to everyone of your Calvert line" and prepare for the great legal battle which will surely regain our rightful inheritance ­ that the greatest legal minds are working on this etc etc and that everyone should contact Mrs Anita Calvert Bourgeoise ­ oh yeah ­ I think that they were also urged to write to their congressmen etc. Teri ******* -----Original Message----- From: DJames Adams [mailto:montanan2@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:27 AM To: CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CALVERT] CALVERT Suit against BALTIMORE? Hi All, I heard from a cousin that our CALVERTs sent their family records, bibles and other papers to someone who was trying to prove relationship to the CALVERTs who were trying to win a Court Case. While it sounds a little scammy; if it did happen, does anyone know what happened to all the records, documents and what else? I am not sure but supposedly this must have been 50-60 years ago, or more. My interest is Genealogically related to, which of the wives of Hezekiah "Hazzard" WOOD (b.1774 likely in Md.) was the mother to my GG Grandmother Lucinda WOOD b. abt 1800, ie,was she the GENTRY or the BRADLEY; any info appreciated, JA ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves.

Hi All, I heard from a cousin that our CALVERTs sent their family records, bibles and other papers to someone who was trying to prove relationship to the CALVERTs who were trying to win a Court Case. While it sounds a little scammy; if it did happen, does anyone know what happened to all the records, documents and what else? I am not sure but supposedly this must have been 50-60 years ago, or more. My interest is Genealogically related to, which of the wives of Hezekiah "Hazzard" WOOD (b.1774 likely in Md.) was the mother to my GG Grandmother Lucinda WOOD b. abt 1800, ie,was she the GENTRY or the BRADLEY; any info appreciated, JA

Carolyn's message came in right after I sent my response. Please ignore my response. Jim At 09:51 AM 12/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: >In 2000 a number of us had the same interest and the following is from a old >email. I hope this help you. >******* >I have a letter from another person and Letters of my GGRANDFATHER William >Marion Calvert MD, who mentions Mrs Bourgeoise coming to visit them for >interviews. > >I found my Anita Calvert Bourgeoise BOOK, "The Calvert Family ­ of­ >Maryland and Virginia" > >There is a stamped date in the book "St. Louis, MO. Public Library, Oct 4, >1919". The book was copywriter in 1916. So the book is at least 83 years old. > >Thanks to Debbie Wodickers of High Ridge, MO who was kind enough to go to >the library and make me a copy as the library would not lend it our on >library loan. I had located two books one in St. Louis, MO and the other >Fort Wayne, Allen CO., Ind. > >Dan Whitmire sent me a copy of a Anita Calvert Bourgeoise letter head letter. > >Email from Elizabeth Calvert a news paper clipping among her grandmothers >notes. > >Newspaper clipping: "Kansas City, Mo., Jan 5, 1913 - The Western Calvert >Heirs' Association met here today and resolved to take up the fight of >possession of the lands in and around the city of Baltimore that were >granted in the 17th century to Lord Baltimore by King James I of England. >The estate, for which the association assert they will soon open a legal >contest, has an estimated value of $600,000,000." > >Here are some other email that may be interested in joining our search. >They chatted were on the Calvert email last year when the subject on the >Calvert Heirs came up. Greg Nelson said that the lawsuit was actually filed >in Baltimore, and that the family lost their claim. If you want to look for >the suit, I would expect to find it filed in the late 20s or early 30s, and >to be title Calvert Heirs v. City of Baltimore. They were still trying to >raise money when Cora Hiatt published her Chenaweth history which was Greg >Nelson's line. >Carolyn Joy >******* >The case was filed in the Maryland Supreme Court then withdrawn and >filed in the US Supreme Court. >******* > Someone in this group has the book by Mrs. Bourgeooise. She was the >attorney and Genealogist that handled the case. I to have old letters that >discuss the case. And mention my family sending money for the legal fees. I >hope to see the book done by Mrs., Bourgeoise. > >Henry Turner >******* >Your mention of Anita Calvert Bourgeoise fits with what I know. A letter >that I have dated 1915 is written from Attorney Alexine Hobbs Craig of >Gallatin Co. KY. My research indicates that she was a cousin through my >Hobbs line. Apparently she was the daughter of my 3rd ggrandmother, Nancy >Hobbs's youngest brother, Emory Hobbs. Alexine's letter urges her cousin, >Mary Speer to gather the cousins together "to write to everyone of your >Calvert line" and prepare for the great legal battle which will surely >regain our rightful inheritance ­ that the greatest legal minds are working >on this etc etc and that everyone should contact Mrs Anita Calvert >Bourgeoise ­ oh yeah ­ I think that they were also urged to write to their >congressmen etc. >Teri >******* > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DJames Adams [mailto:montanan2@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:27 AM >To: CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CALVERT] CALVERT Suit against BALTIMORE? > > > >Hi All, > I heard from a cousin that our CALVERTs sent their family records, >bibles and other papers to someone who was trying to prove relationship to >the CALVERTs who were trying to win a Court Case. While it sounds a little >scammy; if it did happen, does anyone know what happened to all the records, >documents and what else? I am not sure but supposedly this must have been >50-60 years ago, or more. > My interest is Genealogically related to, which of the wives of Hezekiah >"Hazzard" WOOD (b.1774 likely in Md.) was the mother to my GG Grandmother >Lucinda WOOD b. abt 1800, ie,was she the GENTRY or the BRADLEY; any info >appreciated, >JA > > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== >No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright >owner themselves. > > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== >Please do not send spam warnings, chain letters, attachments and/or html or >rich text formatted email to the list. If in questions, please address the >listowner at calvert-admin@rootsweb.com

Does anyone have the complete story on this scam? It would be nice to know where the records were sent and maybe find out if any of them still survive. Jim At 09:27 AM 12/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi All, > I heard from a cousin that our CALVERTs sent their family records, >bibles and other papers to someone who was trying to prove relationship to >the CALVERTs who were trying to win a Court Case. While it sounds a little >scammy; if it did happen, does anyone know what happened to all the records, >documents and what else? I am not sure but supposedly this must have been >50-60 years ago, or more. > My interest is Genealogically related to, which of the wives of Hezekiah >"Hazzard" WOOD (b.1774 likely in Md.) was the mother to my GG Grandmother >Lucinda WOOD b. abt 1800, ie,was she the GENTRY or the BRADLEY; any info >appreciated, >JA > > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== >No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright >owner themselves.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Calvert, Leonard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WQH.2ACEB/960 Message Board Post: Elizabeth Calvert was born in 1837 or 1838 in either KY or TN. 1850 census, St. Francois County, MO William Calvert b. 1833 KY Artemina Calvert b. 1837 KY Elizabeth Calvert b. 1838 TN Elizabeth Calvert married Paul Leonard in Ste. Genevieve County MO, June 26, 1853. 1860 census, Ste. Gen. County, MO Paul Leonard 30 b. NC Nancy E. 23 b. KY (this is surely Elizabeth) Jane 6 b. MO Rebecca 4 b. MO Martha 2 b. MO Can anyone help with these Calverts? Linda Gregory Aiken, SC

I would really like to see what you have. If you do not want to put it on the internet, I can send my land address. As to our source being better than yours, do not put yourself down. We are at a dead end. You may have the answer. Jim At 11:11 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Most of the info I have came from my grandmother, and I will go back through >my notes and let you know, but I would definitely take the information you >received from your researcher before mine. I am not, by any means, a >qualified researcher, only family curiosity. I will see what she has >written down and what I have. Unfortunately, like many others, when I first >became interested in my family history years ago, I wasn't very good at >recording resources. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Calvert > To: CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [CALVERT] Esther Jane Calvert Huggins / Reuben Charles Calvert > > > This is very interesting. Several of us hired a professional researcher a > couple of years ago to investigate the ancestry of John Calvert, Sr. of > Belmont County, OH and of his brothers Jacob and Job. This researcher > concluded that John, Sr.'s father was one John Calvert of Upper Bald Eagle >twp, > Mifflin County (Later Centre County) PA. We are dead ended here. > > Could you provide us with your research on John Calvert, Sr. of Belmont > County? It may help move us off dead center and on the road again. > > Jim > > At 02:37 PM 12/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > >Surnames: Calvert / Huggins / Beale / JONES > >Classification: Query > > > >Message Board URL: > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/959 > > > >Message Board Post: > > > >I am searching for any info re Esther Jane (CALVERT) HUGGINS - b 21 Feb >1823 > >Belmont City, OH, dau of John CALVERT Jr & Edith BEALE; D 4 Jun 1911, > >Greenwood MO. EstherJane had several brothers, who all served in the Union > >Army, along with her husband Henry John HUGGINS and her father. > > > >I have info showing John Jr is son of John Sr married to Hetty Esther >JONES, > >and that John Sr is son of Rueben Charles CALVERT. > > > >Thanks to anyone who has anything to add to this. I have a this little >bit > >of info from one of Esther Jane's neice's, and from my grandmother, Esther > >Jane's granddaugher. > > > >Sandra Mahan > >mahans@bellsouth.net > > > > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== > >Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi >Calvert > >Brogan at calvert-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: >http://jadis.darktech.org/genealogy/calvert for information on this list, >it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. > > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: >http://jadis.darktech.org/genealogy/calvert for information on this list, >it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

Most of the info I have came from my grandmother, and I will go back through my notes and let you know, but I would definitely take the information you received from your researcher before mine. I am not, by any means, a qualified researcher, only family curiosity. I will see what she has written down and what I have. Unfortunately, like many others, when I first became interested in my family history years ago, I wasn't very good at recording resources. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Calvert To: CALVERT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [CALVERT] Esther Jane Calvert Huggins / Reuben Charles Calvert This is very interesting. Several of us hired a professional researcher a couple of years ago to investigate the ancestry of John Calvert, Sr. of Belmont County, OH and of his brothers Jacob and Job. This researcher concluded that John, Sr.'s father was one John Calvert of Upper Bald Eagle twp, Mifflin County (Later Centre County) PA. We are dead ended here. Could you provide us with your research on John Calvert, Sr. of Belmont County? It may help move us off dead center and on the road again. Jim At 02:37 PM 12/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Calvert / Huggins / Beale / JONES >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/959 > >Message Board Post: > >I am searching for any info re Esther Jane (CALVERT) HUGGINS - b 21 Feb 1823 >Belmont City, OH, dau of John CALVERT Jr & Edith BEALE; D 4 Jun 1911, >Greenwood MO. EstherJane had several brothers, who all served in the Union >Army, along with her husband Henry John HUGGINS and her father. > >I have info showing John Jr is son of John Sr married to Hetty Esther JONES, >and that John Sr is son of Rueben Charles CALVERT. > >Thanks to anyone who has anything to add to this. I have a this little bit >of info from one of Esther Jane's neice's, and from my grandmother, Esther >Jane's granddaugher. > >Sandra Mahan >mahans@bellsouth.net > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== >Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi Calvert >Brogan at calvert-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://jadis.darktech.org/genealogy/calvert for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

This is very interesting. Several of us hired a professional researcher a couple of years ago to investigate the ancestry of John Calvert, Sr. of Belmont County, OH and of his brothers Jacob and Job. This researcher concluded that John, Sr.'s father was one John Calvert of Upper Bald Eagle twp, Mifflin County (Later Centre County) PA. We are dead ended here. Could you provide us with your research on John Calvert, Sr. of Belmont County? It may help move us off dead center and on the road again. Jim At 02:37 PM 12/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Calvert / Huggins / Beale / JONES >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WQH.2ACEB/959 > >Message Board Post: > >I am searching for any info re Esther Jane (CALVERT) HUGGINS - b 21 Feb 1823 >Belmont City, OH, dau of John CALVERT Jr & Edith BEALE; D 4 Jun 1911, >Greenwood MO. EstherJane had several brothers, who all served in the Union >Army, along with her husband Henry John HUGGINS and her father. > >I have info showing John Jr is son of John Sr married to Hetty Esther JONES, >and that John Sr is son of Rueben Charles CALVERT. > >Thanks to anyone who has anything to add to this. I have a this little bit >of info from one of Esther Jane's neice's, and from my grandmother, Esther >Jane's granddaugher. > >Sandra Mahan >mahans@bellsouth.net > > >==== CALVERT Mailing List ==== >Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi Calvert >Brogan at calvert-admin@rootsweb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WQH.2ACEB/77.1.1 Message Board Post: I have Calvert ancestors from Washington Co., AR. My oral family history says Wilford and his sister were Indians picked up by the side of the road. Whether their real or adopted name was Calvert is unknown. He first appears in a deed prior to 1850.