I was using the Vitalsearch marriage database for California 1960-69 for brides. Same oh, same oh. Sometime during the day I actually looked at the screen and saw they add a new line: 1960-1985 Marriages-Bride(only) Indexed(MySQL database): All Searchers may enter here. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cam_960to85m-nopsm.htm Well, let me tell you much faster and covers a larger time span, so it is quicker too. It states all searchers, so I don't think you need be a member. It is only Brides, tho. Deborah Rootsweb Los Angeles Mailing List Volunteer Rootsweb California Death Index http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi Rootsweb Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness http://raogk.com