The death information on the Social Security Index is normally provided by the person filling out the form for death benfits. I have found several errors in the benefit request completed for some of my relatives. Ofter the person filling out the forms are inlaws or someone designated to manage the application process for death benefits. While we assume a person registering would know their own birthdate, but I have found Social Security data and the certificate of birth are not the same information. Clerical errors? Poor memory? Most of the Social Seurity data is correct, but they are not perfect. When we find discrepencies, we need to seek other records to verify if the information is correct or an error exist. Census data, school records, city directories, and where possible interiews other relatives or friends. Jonelle -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Mar 1, 2008 3:58 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: CALOSANG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 36 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Manning's date differences (Loretta Mikolyski) > 2. Re: Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates > in CDI & SSN (Jeanne Moore) > 3. Re: Manning's date differences (kaytt) > 4. Re: Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates > in CDI & SSN (kaytt) > 5. Re: Manning's date differences (kaytt) > 6. Re: Manning's date differences (kaytt) > 7. Re: Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates > in CDI... ([email protected]) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:38:12 -0800 >From: Loretta Mikolyski <[email protected]> >Subject: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Kathy, >>From my experience, instruction and understanding with these records, the SS death index would be more accurate with her birth date, since she was the actual person to fill out the application. But in order to be 100% accurate on that, you would need to purchase her ss-5 card application from the social security administration to see what she wrote down. Her last benefit may not have been claimed by a living person until that later year. > >The California death index record is probably closer to the correct death date because that form is filled out right after death to create the death certificate, but the person remembering when she was born, the informant, wasn't real accurate. Do you have any other records that would show a birth year or age, like a census record or marriage record? If you have the death certificate, it will show the burial information, mortuary, cemetery, or cremation info. You can also contact the company that prepared her remains for whatever took place there to see what their records have for her. > >Human error is also possible. The transcribers who indexed the records may have hit the wrong key on either of the online records. It just goes to show ya, that you have to take everything with a grain of salt and continue to try and get more records that she actually was alive to fill out. Even official records can be inaccurate. >I purchased my grandmother's ss-5 application which she filled out herself, it had her correct birth date and mother's name and place of birth, but the rest of the parental information was wrong. She was married to her 2nd husband at the time, used her 1st husband's father's information as hers. I had learned that her real father died when she was real young, she never knew him and she married her first husband when she was 15 yrs old. I would say that would indicate any number of reasons why wrong information was on the application. > >I hope this has helped in some way. Keep hunting for more records to match the dates. Good luck to you. > >Loretta > > > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:18:44 -0600 >> From: kaytt <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & death >> dates in CDI & SSN >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same >> SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a >> different day, month and year. >> What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right >> one? >> >> >> California Death Index: >> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >> Sex: Female >> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >> Mother's Maiden Name: >> Father's Surname: >> >> >> SSN Index: >> Name: Leontine P. Manning >> SSN: 561-28-4214 >> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >> America >> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. >http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:23:28 -0800 (PST) >From: Jeanne Moore <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & > death dates in CDI & SSN >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. > > My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died in Honolulu. > > I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence incorrect on the list. > > Jeanne > >kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: > These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same >SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a >different day, month and year. >What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right >one? > > >California Death Index: >Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >Sex: Female >Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >Mother's Maiden Name: >Father's Surname: > > >SSN Index: >Name: Leontine P. Manning >SSN: 561-28-4214 >Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >America >Born: 25 Jul 1892 >Died: 17 Mar 1989 >State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) > >Kathy > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:42:25 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >Thanks for the information and all of your suggestions. I was able to fine >Leontine Possienne (and surname variations) on the following census. > >1900 age 6 (born about 1894) >1910 age 17 (born about 1893) >1920 (can't find her) >1930 age 33 (born about 1897) > >As you can see, she lost a few years in 1930. Her husband was younger so >that could have something to do with it. >I might have to look into purchasing a death cert. so I can find out when >and where she was buried and then carry on from there. > >Kathy > > >From: "Loretta Mikolyski" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:38 AM > > >>>From my experience, instruction and understanding with these records, the >>>SS death index would be more accurate with her birth date, since she was >>>the actual person to fill out the application. But in order to be 100% >>>accurate on that, you would need to purchase her ss-5 card application >>>from the social security administration to see what she wrote down. Her >>>last benefit may not have been claimed by a living person until that later >>>year. >> >> The California death index record is probably closer to the correct death >> date because that form is filled out right after death to create the death >> certificate, but the person remembering when she was born, the informant, >> wasn't real accurate. Do you have any other records that would show a >> birth year or age, like a census record or marriage record? If you have >> the death certificate, it will show the burial information, mortuary, >> cemetery, or cremation info. You can also contact the company that >> prepared her remains for whatever took place there to see what their >> records have for her. >> >> Human error is also possible. The transcribers who indexed the records >> may have hit the wrong key on either of the online records. It just goes >> to show ya, that you have to take everything with a grain of salt and >> continue to try and get more records that she actually was alive to fill >> out. Even official records can be inaccurate. >> I purchased my grandmother's ss-5 application which she filled out >> herself, it had her correct birth date and mother's name and place of >> birth, but the rest of the parental information was wrong. She was >> married to her 2nd husband at the time, used her 1st husband's father's >> information as hers. I had learned that her real father died when she was >> real young, she never knew him and she married her first husband when she >> was 15 yrs old. I would say that would indicate any number of reasons why >> wrong information was on the application. >> > >>> From: kaytt <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & death >>> dates in CDI & SSN >>> >>> These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the >>> same >>> SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates >>> have a >>> different day, month and year. >>> What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the >>> right >>> one? >>> >>> >>> California Death Index: >>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>> Sex: Female >>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>> Father's Surname: >>> >>> >>> SSN Index: >>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >>> America >>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:52:33 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & > death dates in CDI & SSN >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >Thanks for the information Jeanne. >When both documents show different information, it's hard to know which one >to believe unless I can find other information to use as a clue. Maybe I'll >be lucky and find her on an on-line cemetery with burials listed. That >would certainly help to narrow down a death date. > >Kathy > > > >From: "Jeanne Moore" <[email protected]> >> There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. >> >> My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the >> Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, >> California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but >> she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died >> in Honolulu. >> >> I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly >> states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister >> gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death >> cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence >> incorrect on the list. >> >> Jeanne >> > >> kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> California Death Index: >> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >> Sex: Female >> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >> Mother's Maiden Name: >> Father's Surname: >> >> >> SSN Index: >> Name: Leontine P. Manning >> SSN: 561-28-4214 >> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >> America >> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:09:47 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >I have stumbled onto something but I'm not sure how I should interpret it. >I found her husband in the California death index and his SSDI matches. >They show the same death date as the California death index shows for >Leontine. > >Name: MANNING, ARTHUR VIRGIL >Social Security #: 555203930 >Sex: MALE >Birth Date: 9 Sep 1895 >Birthplace: MISSOURI >Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >Death Place: SAN BERNARDINO >Mother's Maiden Name: MERCHANT >Father's Surname: > >>> California Death Index: >>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>> Sex: Female >>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>> Father's Surname: >>> >>> >>> SSN Index: >>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >>> America >>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:22:26 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >I think the California death index I was looking at was mistranscribed. > >I found her on http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeygen.htm >with a death date of 17 March, 1989 which matches her SSDI death date. > >Kathy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kaytt" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:09 PM >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences > > >>I have stumbled onto something but I'm not sure how I should interpret it. >> I found her husband in the California death index and his SSDI matches. >> They show the same death date as the California death index shows for >> Leontine. >> >> Name: MANNING, ARTHUR VIRGIL >> Social Security #: 555203930 >> Sex: MALE >> Birth Date: 9 Sep 1895 >> Birthplace: MISSOURI >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: SAN BERNARDINO >> Mother's Maiden Name: MERCHANT >> Father's Surname: >> >>>> California Death Index: >>>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>>> Sex: Female >>>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>>> Father's Surname: >>>> >>>> >>>> SSN Index: >>>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States >>>> of >>>> America >>>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:57:53 EST >From: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & > death dates in CDI... >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Wonder if the address of last residence is where the burial benefit is >mailed...? Seems like I'd read that at one time. > >Linda > > >In a message dated 3/1/2008 12:24:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. > >My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the >Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, >California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but she'd lived >in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died in Honolulu. > >I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly >states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister gave >Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death cert) when she >notified them. And they still had her last residence incorrect on the list. > >Jeanne > >kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: >These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same >SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a >different day, month and year. >What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right >one? > > >California Death Index: >Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >Sex: Female >Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >Mother's Maiden Name: >Father's Surname: > > >SSN Index: >Name: Leontine P. Manning >SSN: 561-28-4214 >Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >America >Born: 25 Jul 1892 >Died: 17 Mar 1989 >State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) > >Kathy > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the message > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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