Dear Readers, Another reader wrote that my message was confusing. My Grandmother ONLY DIED in Tulare county. But she and her 3 sisters were ALL BORN IN LOS ANGELES. That is why I need their birth information in order to find their parents names. Any ideas out there? Thank you and sorry I wrote confusingly. Lillian K. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: [CALosAngeles] McGuire/Hart family > My Grandmother was Katherine Ann McGuire Leach b. 2/17/1905 d. 5/20/1960 Tulare Co., CA > in Los Angeles. Her father was Mr. McGuire and her mother's maiden name was Hart. Here are her 3 sisters: > 1. Mary Theresa McGuire Vail b. 10/6/1911 L.A.d: 10/3/89 > 2. Margaret Agnes McGuire Koback 6/12/1913 L.A.d. 1/3/84 > 3. Sally Ann McGuire Sorenson b.7/15/1914 L.A. d. 10/25/94 > > I need to find the parents names. If there are Catholic Vital records available in Los Angeles, where would you find that? Are there birth records available online for Los Angeles in this time frame? > If you are connected to these people, please write. Thank you for your help. Lillian Kathleen Martin. > >

It is very beautiful and the people were quite helpful.It's no wonder they called it Mountain View. Heatherdawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Walker" <joe_walker_2000@yahoo.com> To: "Heatherdawn" <heatherdawn@cox.net>; <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [CALosAngeles] DCT Rapp 1935, LA Co, Please > Heather, > Mountain View is one of my favorite cemeteries. One > thing that is really weird about the place is that > there are no gates to keep after hours visitors > away..so essentially you can go to the place 24 hours. > > Joe > --- Heatherdawn <heatherdawn@cox.net> wrote: > > I went down to Mountain View Cemetery in Altadena > > today and found and took > > pictures of my great aunt Sadie A. Best Rapp's grave > > maker. To my delighted > > surprise, her husband, whom I understood had > > remarried and not looked back, > > was buried next to her. First, thank you, Deborah > > for getting Sadie's DCT > > in the first place so that I could find her. I am > > hoping that when you get > > a chance (I know you're a bit busy right now) you > > could transcribe William's > > DC for me as well: > > > > William Henry Rapp > > b. September 25, 1884 > > d. January 10, 1935 > > > > Thank you for your time and effort for all of us, > > Heatherdawn > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ >

Heather, Mountain View is one of my favorite cemeteries. One thing that is really weird about the place is that there are no gates to keep after hours visitors away..so essentially you can go to the place 24 hours. Joe --- Heatherdawn <heatherdawn@cox.net> wrote: > I went down to Mountain View Cemetery in Altadena > today and found and took > pictures of my great aunt Sadie A. Best Rapp's grave > maker. To my delighted > surprise, her husband, whom I understood had > remarried and not looked back, > was buried next to her. First, thank you, Deborah > for getting Sadie's DCT > in the first place so that I could find her. I am > hoping that when you get > a chance (I know you're a bit busy right now) you > could transcribe William's > DC for me as well: > > William Henry Rapp > b. September 25, 1884 > d. January 10, 1935 > > Thank you for your time and effort for all of us, > Heatherdawn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Lilly, Thanks for the information. One of these days I am going to make up a list of the various sites like that one that newer researchers may not know about. A lot of people don't know about all these great resources, Joe --- Lilly <malik@scs-net.org> wrote: > I would like to share this discovery story with the > list as it may help someone. I am researching my > Grandmother. I knew that she must have had > siblings, but I had rarely heard of them. I > recently was told by another researcher how to use > the California Death records in a search. I first > went to the records, which I have listed below. > Then I put in the father's last name and the > mother's maiden name of my Grandmother, which is all > I knew. I then hit search and up came 3 people who > all had the same Father/Mother combination of names. > The birthdates were all close together and all the > names were clearly Irish Catholic names like my > Grandmother. These are her 3 sister's. I will now > use that information to further research them also. > http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi > I hope this helps someone. Lillian Kathleen Martin > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

I forgot to mention his State File Number, if it helps: # 2927 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heatherdawn" <heatherdawn@cox.net> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: [CALosAngeles] DCT Rapp 1935, LA Co, Please > I went down to Mountain View Cemetery in Altadena today and found and took > pictures of my great aunt Sadie A. Best Rapp's grave maker. To my delighted > surprise, her husband, whom I understood had remarried and not looked back, > was buried next to her. First, thank you, Deborah for getting Sadie's DCT > in the first place so that I could find her. I am hoping that when you get > a chance (I know you're a bit busy right now) you could transcribe William's > DC for me as well: > > William Henry Rapp > b. September 25, 1884 > d. January 10, 1935 > > Thank you for your time and effort for all of us, > Heatherdawn > >

I would like to share this discovery story with the list as it may help someone. I am researching my Grandmother. I knew that she must have had siblings, but I had rarely heard of them. I recently was told by another researcher how to use the California Death records in a search. I first went to the records, which I have listed below. Then I put in the father's last name and the mother's maiden name of my Grandmother, which is all I knew. I then hit search and up came 3 people who all had the same Father/Mother combination of names. The birthdates were all close together and all the names were clearly Irish Catholic names like my Grandmother. These are her 3 sister's. I will now use that information to further research them also. http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi I hope this helps someone. Lillian Kathleen Martin

My Grandmother was Katherine Ann McGuire Leach b. 2/17/1905 d. 5/20/1960 Tulare Co., CA in Los Angeles. Her father was Mr. McGuire and her mother's maiden name was Hart. Here are her 3 sisters: 1. Mary Theresa McGuire Vail b. 10/6/1911 L.A.d: 10/3/89 2. Margaret Agnes McGuire Koback 6/12/1913 L.A.d. 1/3/84 3. Sally Ann McGuire Sorenson b.7/15/1914 L.A. d. 10/25/94 I need to find the parents names. If there are Catholic Vital records available in Los Angeles, where would you find that? Are there birth records available online for Los Angeles in this time frame? If you are connected to these people, please write. Thank you for your help. Lillian Kathleen Martin.

I enjoyed your story on how to sort and use the CADI. Altho, Tulare Co is not in Los Angeles, but Lindsay is in Tulare Co Mary died in Fresno County Margaret died in Los Angeles County, which I can add to my long list for a death certificate transcription Sally died in Santa Clara County. Birth certificates are obtainable from the County or the State for a fee (certified only). Births from 1905-1963 are considered confidential and only immediate family can view at the county level. Deborah Los Angeles Mailing List Volunteer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: [CALosAngeles] McGuire/Hart family > My Grandmother was Katherine Ann McGuire Leach b. 2/17/1905 d. 5/20/1960 Tulare Co., CA > in Los Angeles. Her father was Mr. McGuire and her mother's maiden name was Hart. Here are her 3 sisters: > 1. Mary Theresa McGuire Vail b. 10/6/1911 L.A.d: 10/3/89 > 2. Margaret Agnes McGuire Koback 6/12/1913 L.A.d. 1/3/84 > 3. Sally Ann McGuire Sorenson b.7/15/1914 L.A. d. 10/25/94 > > I need to find the parents names. If there are Catholic Vital records available in Los Angeles, where would you find that? Are there birth records available online for Los Angeles in this time frame? > If you are connected to these people, please write. Thank you for your help. Lillian Kathleen Martin. > >

I went down to Mountain View Cemetery in Altadena today and found and took pictures of my great aunt Sadie A. Best Rapp's grave maker. To my delighted surprise, her husband, whom I understood had remarried and not looked back, was buried next to her. First, thank you, Deborah for getting Sadie's DCT in the first place so that I could find her. I am hoping that when you get a chance (I know you're a bit busy right now) you could transcribe William's DC for me as well: William Henry Rapp b. September 25, 1884 d. January 10, 1935 Thank you for your time and effort for all of us, Heatherdawn

Nice of you to share your story. Persistace sometimes can win out. I went four times to look for a second wife of my grandfrather's and still could not locate it. Well, on that particular day we had nothing but troubles finding headstones of family members in the same cemetery. It turns out that the rules they had for counting out the headstones in one area was not so for another. Besides Inglewood is a very large cemetery. Our story had a very happy ending, tho. The caretakers sent out a helper to assist us and he had troubles at first. He knew the headstone was there,so we took photos of him digging to the headstone. Unfortunately Wanda's headstone was next to a tree and had sunk downward. She has a clean headstone now and we feel much better for it. Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rayene" <rayene@san.rr.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: [CALosAngeles] Cemetery Obstacles That We Met > A week or so ago, there was a discussion about having difficulties at the > cemeteries. I have to tell you about an experience I had with a cemetery in > Fresno. > > > A year ago I went to Calvary Cemetery in Fresno to visit the graves of my > grandparents, who had died in the 30's. They were no where to be found. I > knew the spot exactly, but it was nothing but a very large, mowed and > grassy area. When I was a child the graves were in an elevated plot and I > remember climbing up two stone steps with the family name on it. This was > right along the roadway. When I returned, there was no roadway or steps > anywhere. The "cemetery" had filled the roadway with graves and brought the > level up over the top of the steps. The only way I knew this had happened > was that there was an enormous white angel with her arms open wide, right > next to my family. That was the key, fortunately. The cemetery office told > me they were in this area, but would not explain what had happened. > > On Dec. 23, 2001, my cousins and I, joined by our husbands and shovels, > actually went DIGGING. It was a rather unusual experience, in the misty > December fog of Fresno, to be in a cemetery looking for grave stones. One > of my cousins > has connections with the church and she said, "Just leave this to me." She > had been given a probe by one of the caretakers. We found two stones of > another family, which we brought up and reset on the surface, and then we > discovered the two steps. That was really a overwhelming feeling to see the > steps being uncovered with the family name "Cullen" on them. But.......we > were unable to find my grandparents and great-grandparents. The day was so > cold and drizzily that we had to give up. I returned to San Diego and > persisted calling the cemetery. Finally, they just got feed up with hearing > my name. They had the caretakers go out and find three of the graves and > bring the stones to the surface. > > Just two weeks ago I was in Fresno for a brief time and we stopped by > Calvary. I was so pleased to find my grandparents' stone and also, one of a > great-uncle are now where they can be seen. There are still three more, > including my great-grandparents, that I have to work on with the cemetery. > They tell me that they are not in the plot, but all the records show it, > even their records. It just depends on the person your talking to at the > time. So far the people at St. Peter's Cemetery (the one in charge of > Calvary) are taking care of this, but it hasn't been easy for me. > > Now.....the most ironic thing about this is that the cousins that helped me > "dig" are not even related to that side of my family. They are from my > maternal side. Fortunately, I'm getting them involved in searching for > relatives now. After our digging, we all went to visit the graves of each > of our parents in four different cemeteries. This was a family of "fighting > Irish" and many didn't get on too well, when together. This day turned out > to be a healing milestone in our lives, bringing all the kids together, that > had never had a problem with each other, to the gravesites of our parents, > that couldn't keep the peace. We're the older generation now and hopefully, > we will follow the Road of Tranquility. > > I think the next time I get to Fresno and plan a trip to Calvary, I'll take > the box of See's like a member of the list had suggested. > > Rayene in San Diego > > > > >

Dear Group, I was very touched by Rayene's story and thought it would make a nice addition to the rootsweb newsletter that comes out every week. She also has a very nice verse that she shared with me and I'm wondering if anyone here knows how to submit something like this to Rootsweb. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Rayene [mailto:rayene@san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:37 PM To: CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CALosAngeles] Cemetery Obstacles That We Met A week or so ago, there was a discussion about having difficulties at the cemeteries. I have to tell you about an experience I had with a cemetery in Fresno. A year ago I went to Calvary Cemetery in Fresno to visit the graves of my grandparents, who had died in the 30's. They were no where to be found. I knew the spot exactly, but it was nothing but a very large, mowed and grassy area. When I was a child the graves were in an elevated plot and I remember climbing up two stone steps with the family name on it. This was right along the roadway. When I returned, there was no roadway or steps anywhere. The "cemetery" had filled the roadway with graves and brought the level up over the top of the steps. The only way I knew this had happened was that there was an enormous white angel with her arms open wide, right next to my family. That was the key, fortunately. The cemetery office told me they were in this area, but would not explain what had happened. On Dec. 23, 2001, my cousins and I, joined by our husbands and shovels, actually went DIGGING. It was a rather unusual experience, in the misty December fog of Fresno, to be in a cemetery looking for grave stones. One of my cousins has connections with the church and she said, "Just leave this to me." She had been given a probe by one of the caretakers. We found two stones of another family, which we brought up and reset on the surface, and then we discovered the two steps. That was really a overwhelming feeling to see the steps being uncovered with the family name "Cullen" on them. But.......we were unable to find my grandparents and great-grandparents. The day was so cold and drizzily that we had to give up. I returned to San Diego and persisted calling the cemetery. Finally, they just got feed up with hearing my name. They had the caretakers go out and find three of the graves and bring the stones to the surface. Just two weeks ago I was in Fresno for a brief time and we stopped by Calvary. I was so pleased to find my grandparents' stone and also, one of a great-uncle are now where they can be seen. There are still three more, including my great-grandparents, that I have to work on with the cemetery. They tell me that they are not in the plot, but all the records show it, even their records. It just depends on the person your talking to at the time. So far the people at St. Peter's Cemetery (the one in charge of Calvary) are taking care of this, but it hasn't been easy for me. Now.....the most ironic thing about this is that the cousins that helped me "dig" are not even related to that side of my family. They are from my maternal side. Fortunately, I'm getting them involved in searching for relatives now. After our digging, we all went to visit the graves of each of our parents in four different cemeteries. This was a family of "fighting Irish" and many didn't get on too well, when together. This day turned out to be a healing milestone in our lives, bringing all the kids together, that had never had a problem with each other, to the gravesites of our parents, that couldn't keep the peace. We're the older generation now and hopefully, we will follow the Road of Tranquility. I think the next time I get to Fresno and plan a trip to Calvary, I'll take the box of See's like a member of the list had suggested. Rayene in San Diego

A week or so ago, there was a discussion about having difficulties at the cemeteries. I have to tell you about an experience I had with a cemetery in Fresno. A year ago I went to Calvary Cemetery in Fresno to visit the graves of my grandparents, who had died in the 30's. They were no where to be found. I knew the spot exactly, but it was nothing but a very large, mowed and grassy area. When I was a child the graves were in an elevated plot and I remember climbing up two stone steps with the family name on it. This was right along the roadway. When I returned, there was no roadway or steps anywhere. The "cemetery" had filled the roadway with graves and brought the level up over the top of the steps. The only way I knew this had happened was that there was an enormous white angel with her arms open wide, right next to my family. That was the key, fortunately. The cemetery office told me they were in this area, but would not explain what had happened. On Dec. 23, 2001, my cousins and I, joined by our husbands and shovels, actually went DIGGING. It was a rather unusual experience, in the misty December fog of Fresno, to be in a cemetery looking for grave stones. One of my cousins has connections with the church and she said, "Just leave this to me." She had been given a probe by one of the caretakers. We found two stones of another family, which we brought up and reset on the surface, and then we discovered the two steps. That was really a overwhelming feeling to see the steps being uncovered with the family name "Cullen" on them. But.......we were unable to find my grandparents and great-grandparents. The day was so cold and drizzily that we had to give up. I returned to San Diego and persisted calling the cemetery. Finally, they just got feed up with hearing my name. They had the caretakers go out and find three of the graves and bring the stones to the surface. Just two weeks ago I was in Fresno for a brief time and we stopped by Calvary. I was so pleased to find my grandparents' stone and also, one of a great-uncle are now where they can be seen. There are still three more, including my great-grandparents, that I have to work on with the cemetery. They tell me that they are not in the plot, but all the records show it, even their records. It just depends on the person your talking to at the time. So far the people at St. Peter's Cemetery (the one in charge of Calvary) are taking care of this, but it hasn't been easy for me. Now.....the most ironic thing about this is that the cousins that helped me "dig" are not even related to that side of my family. They are from my maternal side. Fortunately, I'm getting them involved in searching for relatives now. After our digging, we all went to visit the graves of each of our parents in four different cemeteries. This was a family of "fighting Irish" and many didn't get on too well, when together. This day turned out to be a healing milestone in our lives, bringing all the kids together, that had never had a problem with each other, to the gravesites of our parents, that couldn't keep the peace. We're the older generation now and hopefully, we will follow the Road of Tranquility. I think the next time I get to Fresno and plan a trip to Calvary, I'll take the box of See's like a member of the list had suggested. Rayene in San Diego

Marie, I am very interested in your letter to SS but would like more details. Would you please contact me on kangaroomail@iprimus.com.au I tried to email you on fcec@lvcm.com and it was returned. Hope to hear from you. Janet Garland, Perth Australia --- Original Message ----- From: The Cook's <fcec@lvcm.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:52 AM Subject: [CALOSANG] Social Sec. address; a little off topic :) > Hi! > I've used the Social Secuity Administration to locate my father for me a few > years ago. > I sent an unsealed letter to my father explaining who I was and that my > purpose in writing to him was for medical reasons. I inserted that stamped > envelope into another envelope and mailed it to the S. S. Admin. where they > would search and locate my father and mail my letter to him. It was then up > to him to contact me if he so wished. Lucky for me he did!! Anyway, I'm > trying to help a friend now and > understand this is under the "freedom of information" act, if I remember > correctly. However, I've failed to take not of the address that I sent my > request to: > Would this be : > 6401 Security Blvd. Baltimore, Maryland, 21235 > > Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. > Marie > > "After a certain age, the more one becomes oneself, > the more obvious one's family traits become" > ~Marcel Proust~ >

Rayene, Welcome to the world of the funeral industry, where they are nice to you as long as you are waving money in front of them. Everyone at a funeral home is selling something, and you couldn't make a dime for them. Almost all L.A. Times obituaries are paid one's, and most people then and now don't pay to have them done. Only the well known deaths get any press at all. Calvary is a great cemetery--I was just there this Sunday taking pictures. But, they only have a card that tell's where people are buried. Joe --- Rayene <rayene@san.rr.com> wrote: > > > I have just joined the list and would appreciate if > some kind person would look up three family members > obituaries for me. I'm not sure if I'm out of line > asking for this from the members. I have called the > funeral home, Cunningham and O'Conner, and asked for > the information they have on them, but they refused. > They said the information could only be given to > the person who had made the arrangements. That is > strange.....why would a person who made the > arrangements, want information that they had given > in the first place? This is the first time I have > run into this obstacle. I have had great luck > calling funeral homes all over California. They > have responded quickly with the information that I > requested and I've always written them a "thank you" > for their efforts. I was very discouraged and > called back later, asking if they could tell me the > newspaper that the obituary would have been sent to > and I was told the Los Angeles Times. > > All three of the people died in Los Angeles. If you > could find a obituary on any of them, I would be so > grateful. I want to find anything possible on Platt > Vallejo, but have not been able to come up with > anything at all, except his death date and where > he's buried. > > Their names are: > > PLATT C. VALLEJO > June 17, 1933 > > KATHERINE CULLEN VALLEJO (could be that ISORA would > be listed as first name) > Oct. 26, 1955 > > MARGARET HELEN CULLEN > Died Nov. 20, 1955 > > > Thank you so much for any ideas, or help you may > give me. > > Rayene Sperbeck > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

I have just joined the list and would appreciate if some kind person would look up three family members obituaries for me. I'm not sure if I'm out of line asking for this from the members. I have called the funeral home, Cunningham and O'Conner, and asked for the information they have on them, but they refused. They said the information could only be given to the person who had made the arrangements. That is strange.....why would a person who made the arrangements, want information that they had given in the first place? This is the first time I have run into this obstacle. I have had great luck calling funeral homes all over California. They have responded quickly with the information that I requested and I've always written them a "thank you" for their efforts. I was very discouraged and called back later, asking if they could tell me the newspaper that the obituary would have been sent to and I was told the Los Angeles Times. All three of the people died in Los Angeles. If you could find a obituary on any of them, I would be so grateful. I want to find anything possible on Platt Vallejo, but have not been able to come up with anything at all, except his death date and where he's buried. Their names are: PLATT C. VALLEJO June 17, 1933 KATHERINE CULLEN VALLEJO (could be that ISORA would be listed as first name) Oct. 26, 1955 MARGARET HELEN CULLEN Died Nov. 20, 1955 Thank you so much for any ideas, or help you may give me. Rayene Sperbeck

WORD IS OUT.... Part of San Francisco is online with much more to follow. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cabf1905> Donna Bradley Project Coordinator Pre-1905 Project

Joe I had the same thought about two years ago. I use to do the postings if no did after about two weeks, but then the list got real busy. I even did marriage postings to the birth indexes as well as DCT's for parents who died before 1940. Lost them, tho. Unfortunately if anyone looks for my family I have been very bad about posting the information. It takes me about 15 minutes to type all the detail into Family Origins for one DCT. Deborah ps- I now have internet access and the time to assist with lookups of death dates for pre-1940 thru my Vitalsearch subscription. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Walker" <joe_walker_2000@yahoo.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Luchetti > Pat, > According to > http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi > Victor died in 1984 at the ripe old age of 98. > > However, further examination shows that you already > made a notation on his Rootsweb entry. It looks good. > I wish more people would use that "View/Add" area. > > Good luck in your search, > > Joe W. > > --- Pat Ellis <PEllis14@compuserve.com> wrote: > > Looking for info on Victor Luchetti. He was married > > to Caroline DeMartini. > > No children, but they did have a special niece and > > nephew. Believe his > > name was Gary and she was Mary or Marla. Would > > appreciate any info. > > > > Pat (McGillicuddy) Ellis/MI > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > >

Pat, According to http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi Victor died in 1984 at the ripe old age of 98. However, further examination shows that you already made a notation on his Rootsweb entry. It looks good. I wish more people would use that "View/Add" area. Good luck in your search, Joe W. --- Pat Ellis <PEllis14@compuserve.com> wrote: > Looking for info on Victor Luchetti. He was married > to Caroline DeMartini. > No children, but they did have a special niece and > nephew. Believe his > name was Gary and she was Mary or Marla. Would > appreciate any info. > > Pat (McGillicuddy) Ellis/MI > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

Looking for info on Victor Luchetti. He was married to Caroline DeMartini. No children, but they did have a special niece and nephew. Believe his name was Gary and she was Mary or Marla. Would appreciate any info. Pat (McGillicuddy) Ellis/MI

I just wanted to let you know that I have started a new list that is strictly for helping each other find graves and if possible take pictures. If you are interested the address is: gravefinders@yahoogroups.com It is my hope that we can help each other. Mickey Walker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/