Hi, I am looking for info on Carolyn Marsh (VIcary) Jones. She died in L.A. 22 Nov. 1959. Thanks

Looking for DCT for Esperanza Susanna Wolfskill, maiden name Ybarrondo; d. 8-21-1950 Thanks for any help and lookups. Pauline Hallett

Hi List! Can somebody please do a DCT lookup for me Edward Joseph Romero b. 5-4-1894 Ca. d. 4-28-1959 Los Angeles Ca. Thank you very very much in advance, Ramona --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

Looking for DCT for Raymond L. YBARRONDO d. 5-10-1962 Los Angeles, CA. Thanks for any help and the lookup. Pauline Hallett

Looking for DCT for Vincent C. YBARRONDO d. 10-4-1962 Los Angeles, CA Thanks for any help and lookups. Pauline Hallett

Looking for CDT for Raymond L. YBARRONDO d. 5-10-1962 Los Angeles, CA. Thanks for any help and the lookup. Pauline Hallett

Excuse me if I am asking for the impossible. I am looking for a marriage date/place for: Elsie Gowland and Rowland Carter. Their daughter Winnifred was born Sept 1911 in Los Angeles so I assume they married 1910/1911. Elsie was 20 when Winnifred was born. Thanks, Noeleen, New Zealand.

Looking for DCT on Mary M. Lesage, maiden name Ybarrondo d. 7-28-1962 L.A., CA Thanks for any help and lookups. Pauline Hallett

Pauline, Are you aware that the Wolfskill name is famous as being early Los Angeles pioneers and landowners? There is a huge Wolfskill family plot at Calvary Catholic Cemetery, and in the old days several blocks of downtown L.A. was named the "Wolfskill Tract". Joe Pollywog1930@aol.com wrote: Looking for DCT for Esperanza Susanna Wolfskill, maiden name Ybarrondo; d. 8-21-1950 Thanks for any help and lookups. Pauline Hallett --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

Bob, One day is not enough time to do research in Los Angeles,/Bell Gardens. I've never been to Park Lawn. I highly doubt that letter would do any good. Here is how it's listed: Park Lawn Memorial Park 6555 E. Gage Ave., City Of Commerce Hopefully they have someone on site to help you. There are several small cemeteries in that area, and many of them have no one there to help you. I doubt if a visit to the mortuary would do any good, but you might give it a shot. Joe BobR@aol.com wrote: Hi Listers, I plan a few days in CA in JUN, but only will have a day or so to do research in the LA County area. I'm hoping that some of you may be able to keep me from wasting any time going up any "blind alleys". My mother's aunt, two cousins, and at least one of her cousin's spouses died in the Downey/ South Gate area between 1969 and 1990. Three, and possibly the second spouse are buried at Park Lawn Memorial Park, Bell Gardens. I'd like the folowing information, if possible: 1. How easy is a visit to Park Lawn? Is a letter beforehand helpful? Any special contact person? 2. Are there any local newspapers that might have the obits? Are the microfilms of these papers at a local library? Which one(s)? 3. Would a visit to Miller, Miles, & McComb Mortuary or Sampson Mortuary be helpful? 4. Any other ideas? Many thanks to Deborah Storey for the four DCTs. They were most helpful. Her volunteer efforts are most appreciated by all us out of towners. The people I am researching, in case someone else knows the families or fellow researchers: Clara (HAUGHNEY) CROAK, d. 22 OCT 1969, Downey Community Hospital. Lee Willard SHOPE, d. 23 SEP 1982, St Francis Medical Center, Lynwood. Margaret C. (CROAK) SHOPE, d. 17 APR 1989, Coast Plaza Medical Center, Norwalk. Carrie Louise (CROAK) BURGESS, d. 21 APR 1990, Residence?, South Gate. I see no positive match on Carrie's husband, Donald BURGESS, and suspected he may still be living, but Carrie's DCT states that she was a widow. Any suggestions? Many thanks in advance, Bob Reifsneider Orange Park, FL --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

Hi Listers, I plan a few days in CA in JUN, but only will have a day or so to do research in the LA County area. I'm hoping that some of you may be able to keep me from wasting any time going up any "blind alleys". My mother's aunt, two cousins, and at least one of her cousin's spouses died in the Downey/ South Gate area between 1969 and 1990. Three, and possibly the second spouse are buried at Park Lawn Memorial Park, Bell Gardens. I'd like the folowing information, if possible: 1. How easy is a visit to Park Lawn? Is a letter beforehand helpful? Any special contact person? 2. Are there any local newspapers that might have the obits? Are the microfilms of these papers at a local library? Which one(s)? 3. Would a visit to Miller, Miles, & McComb Mortuary or Sampson Mortuary be helpful? 4. Any other ideas? Many thanks to Deborah Storey for the four DCTs. They were most helpful. Her volunteer efforts are most appreciated by all us out of towners. The people I am researching, in case someone else knows the families or fellow researchers: Clara (HAUGHNEY) CROAK, d. 22 OCT 1969, Downey Community Hospital. Lee Willard SHOPE, d. 23 SEP 1982, St Francis Medical Center, Lynwood. Margaret C. (CROAK) SHOPE, d. 17 APR 1989, Coast Plaza Medical Center, Norwalk. Carrie Louise (CROAK) BURGESS, d. 21 APR 1990, Residence?, South Gate. I see no positive match on Carrie's husband, Donald BURGESS, and suspected he may still be living, but Carrie's DCT states that she was a widow. Any suggestions? Many thanks in advance, Bob Reifsneider Orange Park, FL

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To Deborah, Thanks and kudos to you for helping me solve yet another in a continuing series of family mysteries. Three weeks ago I didn't even know about these folks and now I know what their home addresses were. You provide an unbelievable service to all of us. Kind regards, Roberta

More the cost, I would think. I was born in Downey, never did check to see if the birth made it, but my marriage in 1974 did make it in the local paper. My mom and I put it in. Of course, the other two did not. I was very surprised when my mom wanted to put one in the local paper upon my dad's death. She has not been one much for that kind of thing. He spent years looking in the obits and always said he was looking for his, I just kind of thought this was her way of completing the circle. He was active in the LOOM community and she wanted the notice out there for them, she did not want to make the phone calls. I know this does not help, but Los Angeles is very large and many people unfortunately do die here. When I transcribe the death certificates I give a reference number and I think this number some how should represent the number of deaths up to that point in time, especially in the 1990's. I loved the way you explained it. Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Chappell Nelson" <homeagain@qwest.net> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [CALosAngeles] obituaries > I can understand this. When I was marrying my husband, who is from > Downey, CA, I asked my mother-in-law about posting our 'announcement' in > the paper, as we did in my hometown paper in NC. She just kind of > laughed and said nobody does that here! > I guess L.A. is just so big and impersonal and there are so many > weddings, births, deaths,...it would be kind of silly to put it in the > big paper! > just my 2 cents...Carolyn > > Lester M Powers wrote: > > > > Kathy O <loster@shaw.ca> asked: > > > Does any one know a cheaper way to get an Obituary from > > > the L.A. Time? I just researched their site and they are > > > $40.00 for a copy from 1966. I think this is an > > > outrageous price.Kathy Oster > > > > Kathy. I strongly recommend that you do *NOT* send > > the L.A. Times so much as 4 cents unless and until you > > know for certain that a) Such an obituary exists and b) > > That it is longer than two or three lines. > > > > It is often said on this list, and may as well be > > repeated again, and it will need to be repeated next > > week if not sooner, that obituaries in Los Angeles are > > RARE! For the most part, obits are not printed. Those > > that are printed are, for the most part, death notices > > that say only that so-and-so died and will be buried by > > some funeral director yonder. This seems to be peculiar > > to L.A. The surrounding counties do have obits. Just > > not Los Angeles. > > > > Now, I think that my local library has the L.A. > > Times on microfilm back to 1966 (just barely), and I > > might be persuaded to take a peek (maybe, though usually > > not), but because perhaps only one out of a hundred or > > fewer people had obits, it's just not worth looking > > unless your target was rich or famous or popular or had > > a big Italian family or there is some similar reason to > > think an obit might exist, especially if your person > > lived in the City of Los Angeles. > > > > As general advice, obit hunters ought to find out > > what city their person lived in and mention that AND > > PUT THE CITY IN THE SUBECT LINE. L.A. is a megalopolis. > > If your person lived at my town, Torrance, for example, > > there could be an obit in my local paper. But I only > > look at those CALOSANG posts with interesting subject > > lines. Some of the small papers in the outlying cities > > do print obits oftener than hardly ever > > > > There are also catalogs listing local papers at > > your own library, and your own librarian can probably > > help you to get films of those papers by interlibrary > > loan. People can have at it themselves, which is the > > fun part of genealogy -- the do-it-yourself; I never > > have understood why folks don't just have at it. We > > live in a too push-button world. > > > > Lester Powers > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > >

Thank you all for the advice. It has helped me to decide to "wait". I did read yesterday that if a person lived in a big Metropolis that the chances of finding an Obituary was slim. This coincides with the advice Lester has given. I sure would be disappointed if I paid a big price for one line saying so and so died. When I receive the Dct from this list, I may be able to narrow it down to a local area paper. kathyoster@hotmail.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/o/s/t/Kathleen-M-Oster/index.html

I can understand this. When I was marrying my husband, who is from Downey, CA, I asked my mother-in-law about posting our 'announcement' in the paper, as we did in my hometown paper in NC. She just kind of laughed and said nobody does that here! I guess L.A. is just so big and impersonal and there are so many weddings, births, deaths,...it would be kind of silly to put it in the big paper! just my 2 cents...Carolyn Lester M Powers wrote: > > Kathy O <loster@shaw.ca> asked: > > Does any one know a cheaper way to get an Obituary from > > the L.A. Time? I just researched their site and they are > > $40.00 for a copy from 1966. I think this is an > > outrageous price.Kathy Oster > > Kathy. I strongly recommend that you do *NOT* send > the L.A. Times so much as 4 cents unless and until you > know for certain that a) Such an obituary exists and b) > That it is longer than two or three lines. > > It is often said on this list, and may as well be > repeated again, and it will need to be repeated next > week if not sooner, that obituaries in Los Angeles are > RARE! For the most part, obits are not printed. Those > that are printed are, for the most part, death notices > that say only that so-and-so died and will be buried by > some funeral director yonder. This seems to be peculiar > to L.A. The surrounding counties do have obits. Just > not Los Angeles. > > Now, I think that my local library has the L.A. > Times on microfilm back to 1966 (just barely), and I > might be persuaded to take a peek (maybe, though usually > not), but because perhaps only one out of a hundred or > fewer people had obits, it's just not worth looking > unless your target was rich or famous or popular or had > a big Italian family or there is some similar reason to > think an obit might exist, especially if your person > lived in the City of Los Angeles. > > As general advice, obit hunters ought to find out > what city their person lived in and mention that AND > PUT THE CITY IN THE SUBECT LINE. L.A. is a megalopolis. > If your person lived at my town, Torrance, for example, > there could be an obit in my local paper. But I only > look at those CALOSANG posts with interesting subject > lines. Some of the small papers in the outlying cities > do print obits oftener than hardly ever > > There are also catalogs listing local papers at > your own library, and your own librarian can probably > help you to get films of those papers by interlibrary > loan. People can have at it themselves, which is the > fun part of genealogy -- the do-it-yourself; I never > have understood why folks don't just have at it. We > live in a too push-button world. > > Lester Powers > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Kathy O <loster@shaw.ca> asked: > Does any one know a cheaper way to get an Obituary from > the L.A. Time? I just researched their site and they are > $40.00 for a copy from 1966. I think this is an > outrageous price.Kathy Oster Kathy. I strongly recommend that you do *NOT* send the L.A. Times so much as 4 cents unless and until you know for certain that a) Such an obituary exists and b) That it is longer than two or three lines. It is often said on this list, and may as well be repeated again, and it will need to be repeated next week if not sooner, that obituaries in Los Angeles are RARE! For the most part, obits are not printed. Those that are printed are, for the most part, death notices that say only that so-and-so died and will be buried by some funeral director yonder. This seems to be peculiar to L.A. The surrounding counties do have obits. Just not Los Angeles. Now, I think that my local library has the L.A. Times on microfilm back to 1966 (just barely), and I might be persuaded to take a peek (maybe, though usually not), but because perhaps only one out of a hundred or fewer people had obits, it's just not worth looking unless your target was rich or famous or popular or had a big Italian family or there is some similar reason to think an obit might exist, especially if your person lived in the City of Los Angeles. As general advice, obit hunters ought to find out what city their person lived in and mention that AND PUT THE CITY IN THE SUBECT LINE. L.A. is a megalopolis. If your person lived at my town, Torrance, for example, there could be an obit in my local paper. But I only look at those CALOSANG posts with interesting subject lines. Some of the small papers in the outlying cities do print obits oftener than hardly ever There are also catalogs listing local papers at your own library, and your own librarian can probably help you to get films of those papers by interlibrary loan. People can have at it themselves, which is the fun part of genealogy -- the do-it-yourself; I never have understood why folks don't just have at it. We live in a too push-button world. Lester Powers ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Thanks for the suggestions on finding the obit on Harry Odgen Crane. I have several new addresses. Do any of the local libraries do newspaper look-ups for a fee? I have alot of information on his acting but would like to know if he left descendants. I already have his death certificate which took over a year to get. Would like to find other cousins. Shirley

ROSE  LUCILLE  HENDERSON  FEMALE  6 May 1888  27 Aug 1978  KENTUCKY  LOS ANGELES  550050364      LYSIGHT  AUSTIN  N  MALE  9 Apr 1903  14 Dec 1969  ARIZONA  LOS ANGELES  548054937  LAFUCHIE    Thank you for your service and volunteering the time. Locating the death certificates will help me locate the burial places for the above, which will provide me to family plots where I know others are buried. This is one link in a great chain. Thanks again Anne

Looking for the obituary on HARRY OGDEN CRANE who died 14 May 1940, West Hollywood, California. He was an actor who played in many silent movies between 1913-1921. Shirley