Torrance Hearld which is in the Main Torrance Library may not have many obits at the time of 1920 and the social section is stock full of birth and party articles, including such things as "Aunt Millie" came to visit, but let us not forget the Redondo paper, which ultimately became the The Daily Breeze. Carson library carries this paper and I am pretty sure I have seen obits in them in the earlier years. Problem being, Redondo paper, mostly Redondo items. Same as with Torrance. The city of residence is as important as the city of death. "Aunt Millie" could have been visiting in the city of Los Angeles when she passed on, therefore only 12 hours lived in a community, but have lived her entire life in Redondo Beach. Los Angeles County has many cities or suburbs with local papers. Recently I was looking for an article about a relative (turned out he wasn't) that died at the Redondo Plunge. I found the article with more information than the death certificate had on it, but the great find for the day was another article I came across. I had somehow missed putting a request on my list to do and the name stuck in my head. As I was reading headlines I came across the same last name. The spouse of the man I was going to try and help find was killed in Los Angeles City and the article made it to our local paper. Including a picture of the spouse and the husband. The person was happy with their article and I unfortunately found out I had the wrong person. My person had an article for the accident, but no obit. You just don't know what you are going to find. I don't limit my own family obit searches to just a local paper. I try others, just in case. One day I have hopes of checking a Downey paper for my birth, altho my parents did not live there. I have my first marriage announcement from The Daily Breeze and my first born's announcement from the local church newsletter. I call myself a newbie, only because I have been on this quest for only about 3 years. I spend most of my time helping others, but when I find the time to go to a library, it is for my own family now adays. I don't give up looking for obits, but I have yet to find one. (Already had my dad's) Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester M Powers" <lesterps@juno.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [CALosAngeles] obituaries > First of all, as a followup to my earlier thought, > let me clarify that, as a percentage of total funerals, > death notices ("So-And-So died. XYZ Funeral Directors > presiding. End.") are very RARE in L.A. too. Rare as > a percentage. > > Deborah's response reminds me that chances of a > death notice seem to go up a bit if the deceased was a > member of a fraternal organization. That might be > something to keep in mind. > > Now. fellow list member Carolyn, who seems to have > been married at Downey, replied on this subject that L.A. > doesn't do wedding announcements either. L.A. (meaning > the whole entire, boring county) is just too crowded and > faceless an outfit to do that. > > Weeeelllllllllll, now, wait a minute. I live in > Torrance, L.A., County, and I scan through films of our > ancient newspaper, "The Torrance Herald," from time to > time. My favorite era is the 1920s and a little after. > I think we have some 1910s too. Anyway, the point is > that southern California is even weirder than you might > suppose. Back around, say, in the 1920s, Torrance had > **NO** obits whatsoever! None. Absolute zero. What we > did have back then was WEDDINGS!!! Lots and lots of > weddings. And wedding announcements. Way back then, > Torrance was a young community, aspiring to grow, and it > was concerned about its image. NOBODY died in Torrance! > Nobody. Not ever. If anyone tried, they were probably > jailed. That would be bad for the community's treasured > image. Instead, folks got married. And had wedding > announcements. Maybe kids too. > > Perhaps some of the non-L.A.ers on the list might > want to consider the above. If your great Uncle Fred > died in L.A. in, oh, say, the 80s, maybe he was married > here in the 20s or 30s. If so, you might have better > luck finding a wedding announcement than you will with an > obit, and it might even have some useful info. At least, > this is the case for Torrance. I don't know about the > other cities, but I think so for mine. The City of Los > Angeles might well be a lost cause for weddings as well > as obits and everything else, even back in ancient times, > but there was once an era when not all of L.A. was so > L.A.-like as it is now. > > I am not sure I can call this note an offer to > volunteer for Torrance wedding lookups. I've never tried > it, so I don't know what's involved or success/failure > rates. What's on my mind is that I'd almost betcha that > nobody has ever tried it. At least not on CALOSANG. We > who live in this faceless sea of buildings see nothing > but obit requests, and obit hunts are almost always > pointless (unsuccessful), and that's a turn-off. > > And, by the way, especially on this list, you might > have better luck if you include the specific city of your > query in your subject line. Just saying "Los Angeles" > doesn't cut it unless you really do mean the City of Los > Angeles (and if you do mean the City of Los Angeles, well, > don't hope for much). > > And if a query doesn't work, you can always take a > shot at getting a film of the old papers on loan at your > own city library, keeping in mind that chances of success > are better if you have the great good fortune to need > information from an outlying city, like Torrance or > Long Beach or Pasadena or Downey or Santa Monica or > Glendale. Downtown L.A. is grim in more ways than one. > > Lester Powers > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > >

First of all, as a followup to my earlier thought, let me clarify that, as a percentage of total funerals, death notices ("So-And-So died. XYZ Funeral Directors presiding. End.") are very RARE in L.A. too. Rare as a percentage. Deborah's response reminds me that chances of a death notice seem to go up a bit if the deceased was a member of a fraternal organization. That might be something to keep in mind. Now. fellow list member Carolyn, who seems to have been married at Downey, replied on this subject that L.A. doesn't do wedding announcements either. L.A. (meaning the whole entire, boring county) is just too crowded and faceless an outfit to do that. Weeeelllllllllll, now, wait a minute. I live in Torrance, L.A., County, and I scan through films of our ancient newspaper, "The Torrance Herald," from time to time. My favorite era is the 1920s and a little after. I think we have some 1910s too. Anyway, the point is that southern California is even weirder than you might suppose. Back around, say, in the 1920s, Torrance had **NO** obits whatsoever! None. Absolute zero. What we did have back then was WEDDINGS!!! Lots and lots of weddings. And wedding announcements. Way back then, Torrance was a young community, aspiring to grow, and it was concerned about its image. NOBODY died in Torrance! Nobody. Not ever. If anyone tried, they were probably jailed. That would be bad for the community's treasured image. Instead, folks got married. And had wedding announcements. Maybe kids too. Perhaps some of the non-L.A.ers on the list might want to consider the above. If your great Uncle Fred died in L.A. in, oh, say, the 80s, maybe he was married here in the 20s or 30s. If so, you might have better luck finding a wedding announcement than you will with an obit, and it might even have some useful info. At least, this is the case for Torrance. I don't know about the other cities, but I think so for mine. The City of Los Angeles might well be a lost cause for weddings as well as obits and everything else, even back in ancient times, but there was once an era when not all of L.A. was so L.A.-like as it is now. I am not sure I can call this note an offer to volunteer for Torrance wedding lookups. I've never tried it, so I don't know what's involved or success/failure rates. What's on my mind is that I'd almost betcha that nobody has ever tried it. At least not on CALOSANG. We who live in this faceless sea of buildings see nothing but obit requests, and obit hunts are almost always pointless (unsuccessful), and that's a turn-off. And, by the way, especially on this list, you might have better luck if you include the specific city of your query in your subject line. Just saying "Los Angeles" doesn't cut it unless you really do mean the City of Los Angeles (and if you do mean the City of Los Angeles, well, don't hope for much). And if a query doesn't work, you can always take a shot at getting a film of the old papers on loan at your own city library, keeping in mind that chances of success are better if you have the great good fortune to need information from an outlying city, like Torrance or Long Beach or Pasadena or Downey or Santa Monica or Glendale. Downtown L.A. is grim in more ways than one. Lester Powers ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I'd appreciate L.A. Death Certificate info for: Julius FRIED, d. 9 Oct 1958 in L.A. Thanks very much. Joanne Joanne A. Smith Mello jomello@hitechnetworks.net

The Calvary Cemetery is one of the oldest and biggest Catholic Cemteries in Los Angeles- Any and All Catholic Churches are associated. They are very helpful. Calvary Cemetery 4201 Whittier Blvd Los Angeles, CA (323) 261-3106 Kathy

Can anyone tell me which church is associated with the Catholic Calvery Cemetery? How old is the church and would they have records or 1880's? Pauline Hallett

Is there anyone who could take a pic of a grave in Valhalla Memorial Park for me? I would appreciate it so much. Mickey Walker Joe Walker <joe_walker_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: Pierce Brothers Valhalla Memorial Park is listed in the phone book. I would call them if I were you. I doubt if they would answer a letter. I've been there many times, and they are very helpful, but they see me as a potential customer. Joe "Deborah R. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Can you give me an address as to where I can write someone (the sexton) for records regarding internments in this cemetery? Thank you for any help you can give. Debbie Smith _________________________________________________________ Please visit the Web Page of the Teller County Coroner at http://www.geocities.com/doc-coroner/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://www.nanasandpapasgifts.com Click on sub-wholesaler to recieve a free catalog --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

The people at Calvary were extremely helpful on the phone, and also when I visited there in March. They gave me maps and showed me on a large map, the exact locations. Even the groundskeepers and security were out there with us, looking. The problem was, three graves did not have markers. I returned to the office, thinking they'd be rather short with us, but they were very willing to go back to the files and look again. They found files that showed there were no memorial markers. I was pleasantly surprised at how willing they were to help me. Rayene ----- Original Message ----- From: <Larakathy@aol.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [CALosAngeles] Calvery Catholic Cemetery > The Calvary Cemetery is one of the oldest and biggest Catholic Cemteries in > Los Angeles- Any and All Catholic Churches are associated. > > They are very helpful. > > Calvary Cemetery > 4201 Whittier Blvd > Los Angeles, CA > (323) 261-3106 > > Kathy >

Los Angeles County early birth records, I believe 1860 something to 1904 are recorded in books by father's last name. It lists details such as mother's name, sex, single birth, alive and I believe the very rare name of child. Los Angeles County early marriages lists primarily "Groom of said age native to place who resides in place married Bride of said age native to place who resides in place. I so-and-son swear I married them and witness of residence place verifies this". I hope that is not to confusing. You will get their names, ages, birthplaces and where resided, as well as a witness or two with their residence and the person who performed the ceremony. Whe I state residence, it is only the city. I have seen once a notation about the woman having been a widow, but that is very rare. Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pollywog1930@aol.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:10 AM Subject: [CALosAngeles] Marriage & Birth Lookups > Is there anyone out there that is or will do a marriage application > transcription lookups, also birth if they exist for 1880 to 1900? > > I have marriage certificate but it only gives names and date, there is no > ther info. Did they not have to put more on an application transcript than > just names and ages? > > Would appreciate any help. Thanks. > Pauline Hallett > > >

Pierce Brothers Valhalla Memorial Park is listed in the phone book. I would call them if I were you. I doubt if they would answer a letter. I've been there many times, and they are very helpful, but they see me as a potential customer. Joe "Deborah R. Smith, Ph.D." <dsmith@uccs.edu> wrote: Can you give me an address as to where I can write someone (the sexton) for records regarding internments in this cemetery? Thank you for any help you can give. Debbie Smith _________________________________________________________ Please visit the Web Page of the Teller County Coroner at http://www.geocities.com/doc-coroner/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

Is there anyone out there that is or will do a marriage application transcription lookups, also birth if they exist for 1880 to 1900? I have marriage certificate but it only gives names and date, there is no ther info. Did they not have to put more on an application transcript than just names and ages? Would appreciate any help. Thanks. Pauline Hallett

Can you give me an address as to where I can write someone (the sexton) for records regarding internments in this cemetery? Thank you for any help you can give. Debbie Smith _________________________________________________________ Please visit the Web Page of the Teller County Coroner at http://www.geocities.com/doc-coroner/

Kathryn, Obituaries are just about impossible to find in Los Angeles. I will only do look-up's on deaths that were in someway newsworthy, such as murders, accidents, etc. That said, I think there is a good possibility that this accident WOULD be available, and I will add it to my list. BTW, I grew up in nearby Highland Park, and attended Eagle Rock High School. Are your roots in Eagle Rock? Right now I have about five obits waiting to be researched. One is plane crash in Torrance, a couple of car crashes, etc. On Friday I went to my favorite library and was disappointed to see an elderly man sitting there looking at an old L.A. Times. I got my microfilms and set them next to his machine,(there is only one working machine at this library, but it is almost always available). Well, next thing I notice is that this guy has fallen asleep on the machine! I make a little bit of noise, and his eyes open and he continues to read. A couple of minutes later, he nods off again. Well, you get the picture. The library was approaching their closing time, so I postponed my searches until another day. Joe Kathryn Thompson <Kathryn@tdstelme.net> wrote: My first letter to the list. Great grandfather Richard mackay was hit by a streetcar in Eagle Rock in 1923. He died of those injuries 8/8/1923. Is there anyway to find out about this? Thanks in advance, Kathryn --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

Hello, I am writing to request a transcription of a death certificate for: FRANCIS, Dorothy S. DOB March 8, 1901 DOD July 27, 1969 age at death: 68 Place of death: Los Angeles (70) Mother's maiden name: Gibbs SS#: 560-12-4358 Thank you and kind regards, Roberta

Hello All: Does anyone have a 1950/1960 telephone directory that they could do a lookup for me? The people I am searching I believe lived in Norwalk at that time. Thank you for any help- Ahlive

Dear list readers, I want to recommend my favorite book of all time, "Two Years before the Mast", by Dana. You can check it out from the library, it is a classic. It is a true story of a young man who ships out from Boston to California and back again in 1834, but then at the end of the book he tells about his same trip 24 years later. If you've ever wanted to know what San Diego, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Pedro and Frisco looked like then, please read it. You will be amazed how "Young" Calif. is. Also an excellent book to get a grip on the descendants Spanish colonists, and early California aristocratic families that were there at the time. Lillian Kathleen Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pollywog1930@aol.com> To: <CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: [CALosAngeles] Port of Los Angeles, San Pedro, CA > Can anyone give some history on the port of Los Angeles, like was it a port > for foreign ships to come in, passenger ships in 1880s? Where would old > records be etc. Is this the port that burned down? Thanks. > > Pauline Hallett > >

NARA has the microfilms of the passenger lists for ships that called at the Port Of Los Angeles from about 1907 to late 1920s. They may have others. You could try NAIL. I am sure you can get them on inter-library loan. These are lists of the films that I used last year at NARA in Laguna Niguel. You can email NARA and maybe if they are no.ty too busy with that 1930 census maybe they can help figure out which film you need. Mary NAIL Microfilm Publications Full Results Microfilm ID M1763 and M1764 Record Group 85 Microfilm Title Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at San Pedro/Wilmington/Los Angeles,Ca June 29, 1907 - June 30, 1948 Media/Volume 118 roll(s) of 35mm Microfilm Roll(s) Index Term San Pedro Index Term Wilmington Index Term Los Angeles Index Term California Index Term Passenger Lists

I am trying to locate a marriage record for Francis June LEAVITT and John G ROLLS who were married about 1945 in either Los Angeles Co or Orange Co, CA. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Lon Mason

My first letter to the list. Great grandfather Richard mackay was hit by a streetcar in Eagle Rock in 1923. He died of those injuries 8/8/1923. Is there anyway to find out about this? Thanks in advance, Kathryn

Can anyone give some history on the port of Los Angeles, like was it a port for foreign ships to come in, passenger ships in 1880s? Where would old records be etc. Is this the port that burned down? Thanks. Pauline Hallett

Hello Pauline, below you will find an answer I rec. from Capt. Manny Aschemeyer concerning archvied records in Los Angeles/Long Beach harbor. This exchange too place over a year ago however as I've not been able to persue it personally as I don't live in California. You will see the email address: info@marexlalb.org If you find yourself doing any researching here I would be glad to pay a fair price for your services in looking in some records for me concerning my Grandfather from Athens, Greece. Thank you and Good Luck, Marie ******* TO: MS. MARIE COOK FROM: CAPT. MANNY ASCHEMEYER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MARINE EXCHANGE OF LA/LB HARBOR, INC. We received your query about archived information on vessel movements in and out of Los Angeles/Long Beach Harbor, dating back into the 1920's. Yes, we do have records going back to 1923, indicating the names of vessels, their flags, their owners/operators/agents, type of vessel (passenger, tanker, cargo, etc.), last port of call & next port of call, and other important data. What we would need from you is the name of the vessel your grandfather sailed to LA/LB Harbor in. And if that ship called here on or after 1923, we can find that information for you. Please advise us of the ship's name at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, Capt. Manny Aschemeyer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > From: The Cook's <FCEC@lvcm.com> > To: <info@marexlalb.org> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:09 PM > Subject: archives of 1920? > > > > Hello I'm going thru old emails and if I already contacted you I'm sorry > to > > be bothering you but I can't delete this without first asking if you know > if > > archives were kept for ships arriving in the harbor during the 1920's with > > transport (freight or passenger) from Athens, Greece? > > I'm trying to trace the route of my Grandfather! This would have been > early > > in 1920's as my father was born 17-Oct-1924 in Los Angeles. thank you > very > > much, Marie Cook > > ********** -----Original Message----- From: Pollywog1930@aol.com [mailto:Pollywog1930@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:57 AM To: CALOSANG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CALosAngeles] Port of Los Angeles, San Pedro, CA Can anyone give some history on the port of Los Angeles, like was it a port for foreign ships to come in, passenger ships in 1880s? Where would old records be etc. Is this the port that burned down? Thanks. Pauline Hallett