You can be sure that the reason Gov. Davis vetoed the bill was that he gets large donations from the Real Estate Lobby. ( Plow under old cemeteries and build condos) G. Andrews CA.

Greetings: Some of you may recall that Assemblymember Anthony Pescetti authored proposed legislation (AB 1779; 2000 and AB 1368; 2001) that would have created the California Historic Cemetery Commission to work toward identifying our state's early cemeteries and reviewing the problems that plague them. Thanks to Governor Gray Davis, we didn't get our historic cemetery commission because the Governor vetoed the bill even though it passed both the state senate and assembly nearly unanimously. Had the governor not vetoed the bill, perhaps our state would be able to put together a pivotal program as Oregon has done (see at http://www.shpo.state.or.us/news.php?id=371 or below). It is incomprehensible to me as a Californian, that our great state could be outdone by Oregon, a state of great natural resources but not necessarily of the financial wealth California has generally enjoyed. If you still believe the State of California has an obligation to help protect, preserve and conserve our state's historic cemeteries, I would invite you all to send that message to Gray Davis. mailto:governor@governor.ca.gov . Ask him: How is it Oregon can afford to attend to the needs of its' historic cemeteries while California ignores them at every step? Why did you really vetoe AB 1779 in 2000? (It's a receiving mailbox, but maybe if enough of us send him the message, the next time this matter comes up, it will be enacted.) You might wish to copy your own state representatives to let them know how you feel. If you live in a county where they are allowing your historic cemeteries to be bulldozed or neglected off the face of this earth, you might want to check the new California Saving Graves website at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/ . I am the El Dorado County Coordinator for California Saving Graves and have posted some background on California's laws, one of which VESTED TITLE TO THE PUBLIC CEMETERIES IN THE PEOPLE and, through the people, the board of supervisors of the counties are the authority for their management and control. If no one is minding the store when it comes to your county's historic cemeteries, you might wish to review some of the law. The El Dorado County site is linked to the California Saving Graves site or you may see it direct at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/eldorado/ . Every cemetery lost in this state may represent a break in information of family histories yet to be discovered. Every cemetery lost in this state represents yet another stitch dropping out of the moral fabric of our society. We need to get together now and work together to stop the decay, neglect, desecration and obliteration of our state's historic burying grounds. Sincerely, Sue Silver El Dorado County, CA (The press release below is found on the Oregon State Historic Preservation Office website. It is a state cemetery association created by the Oregon state legislature. This is similar to what we could have had, had Gray Davis not vetoed Mr. Pescetti's bill in 2000.) Survey of historic cemeteries launched Survey attached to this release April 25th, 2002 Contact Name: Mirra Meyer, 503-378-4168, ext. 335 Contact Email: Mirra.Meyer@state.or.us #02-29 For immediate release: The Oregon Pioneer Cemetery Commission launched its spring survey of historic cemeteries today, continuing efforts to build a registry and acquire up-to-date information on the condition of historic burial sites throughout the state. Commission Coordinator Mirra Meyer said the survey will provide "essential information" needed to develop a cemetery preservation grants program. "We're asking individual volunteers, school groups and service and special interest organizations to help us gather information on the conditions of historic cemeteries and gravesites of people who died before February 14, 1909," said Meyer. "We're hoping they will fill out the questionnaires as they prepare cemeteries for Memorial Day observances and make annual visits to family plots." June 10 is the deadline for returning questionnaires that will provide data for this year's inventory. She stressed, however, that the commission welcomes survey information at any time. Survey forms can be downloaded (Acrobat required) or acquired by e-mailing Meyer at mirra.meyer@state.or.us. The questionnaires also can be acquired through regular mail by writing to Meyer at SHPO, 1115 Commercial Street NE, Suite 2, Salem, OR 97301-1012.

Try the Public or County Library in the city or town where the deceased lived. I received an obit in 10 days from Long Beach. Used Google Search to locate the library. Good hunting, Ruth

Dear Listmembers, Where does one write to for obituaries in this county? Would it me the main library? or a LA genealogical society? Is there an address? Thank you for your help. Teri Lindsay AR, USA

For Marilyn and those who might be interested I am transcribing a letter that was sent to Margie Campbell, Janet Snyder and me on Whittier Museum letterhead: I wanted to personally thank you for your invaluable assistance to the Whittier Museum in locating the family of martin and Jessie Huntley after their tombstones were found and brought to out museum. Your support and genealogical skills were instrumental in our tracking down a living descendant of Martin huntley. Through my resources here at the museum, I would not have been able to find and process the information that you gave to me in such a short period of time. The relatives of Martin huntley were overjoyed and overwhelmed to hear about this find and want to visit the museum in order to see these headstones. I am sure this will answer some questions they might have had about their ancestors. I am greatly indebted to your service. Thank you so much. Sincerely, Garland B. courts Director of Archives Whittier Historical Society and Museum ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Demas Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:55 PM To: GARY RADCLIFFE Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Old, Unknown Tombstones, Whittier]] Hi Gary, I forwarded your message to the Oregon Trails List and this is a reply. The Douglas Co. referred to is in Oregon. marilyn "Robert L. Casebeer" wrote: > There was a Carsena Huntley, who left Douglas County in the 1880s for > Southern California. Do not know the names of his children. Robert L. > Casebeer > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Demas <schoolbell@ulink.net> > To: OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com <OREGON-TRAIL-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:35 PM > Subject: [Fwd: Old, Unknown Tombstones, Whittier] > > >Saw this on my SoCal list and thought someone may recognize these names on > >the Oregon Trail list. > >marilyn > > > >GARY RADCLIFFE wrote: > > > >> Two grave markers were recently found across the street from the original > >> cemetery where Founder's Park now stands. The markers were there before > >> the cemetery was founded. > >> > >> Both are white granite and are inscribed: > >> > >> Welcome Home, Martin A. Huntley, Born in Missouri > >> Born Sep. 3, 1861, Died Oct. 2, 1881, Aged 20 Yrs, 29 Dys > >> > >> and > >> > >> Welcome Home, Jessie U. Huntley, Born in Oregon > >> Born Aug. 13, 1866, Died Aug. 23, 1881, Aged 15 Yrs, 10 Dys > >> > >> Employees at the museum are trying to discover more about > >> the deceased. The markers were discovered on private > >> property while digging the foundation of a wall. > >> > >> Gary Radcliffe > >> West Covina, CA > >> > >> ==== SOCAL Mailing List ==== > >> Contact Yvonne Bowers, Listmom <SOCAL-admin@rootsweb.com> > > > >______________________________

Hi Nora, There's a lot of us people living in Studio City. The number of homes and apartments far exceeds the number of studios. >g< Studio City is actually part of North Hollywood. Anyway, there's a Studio City Library at 12511 Moorpark St. Studio City CA 19604 (818)755-7873. I have never been there to look up obits so I'm not sure how they deal with that. A neighboring city, Toluca Lake, puts out a newspaper called Tolucan Times that sometimes has obits in it for Studio City inhabitants. I guess it all depends on the crowd a person ran with. They're at 10215 Riverside Dr. Toluca Lake, CA 91602 (818)762-2171. Other than that the Los Angeles Central Library downtown has a big genealogical department. Again, I don't know their policy on doing look-ups. They're address is 630 W. 5th St. Los Angeles, Ca (213)228-7000. Good luck with this. Regards, Loretta Lee _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

ANYONE AWARE OF THE STATUS ON THIS PROJECT? IT WAS GOING AT LIGHTENING SPEED AND ALL OF SUDDEN I HAVEN'T HEARD A WORD IN WEEKS!

Dear Californians and everybody else out there interested in the future of genealogy, I just went to www.rootsweb.com and was shocked to see that the California legislature is trying to pass a law that will severely limit access to birth and death records in California. I know that I wish they would give us more access and not less. It is tough enough just going on birth certificates, marriage certificates,death certificates and census records, but now they want to take that away from us too. It wasn't long ago that the federal government raised social security records from what I recall being $3 to $27. That was a major blow to family history enthusiasts. This could be even worse. It will be bad enough if this law passes in California, but then the slippery slope effect might take place where other states follow California's lead and limit access to public records as well. I know that I would be very disappointed if that were the case. I read recently that genealogy is by far the number one hobby in the U.S. I know that I sure love it, but I never knew it was that popular. Please go to www.rootsweb.com and see more about this genealogical atrocity, and please write to the governor and Senators Speier and Bowen about Senate Bill 1614. Let's stop this here and now! Russ Lentz P.S. I will post information on this bill below. California Birth and Death Records Senate Bill 1614 The California Senate is now considering legislation that would reduce the information available in the birth and death record indexes rendering them significantly less useful and/or limit the use and access by genealogical researchers and family historians. That which to date has been available as a matter of law, would be unavailable as a matter of law, except by restricted access through a limited index in California County Clerk's offices. While we understand concerns raised about privacy and identity, we hope that those involved in determining the future accessibility of these records will balance their great and proven family history public value against privacy and identity concerns. MyFamily.com considers these records to be primary to the pursuit of discovering an individual's heritage and history; in fact, central to the human need that answers the yearning deep inside each of us to know who we are and from where we came. If you are concerned about this loss, and the fact that the legislation if passed might mean other states would follow suit, you can contact the relevant Senators and Senate Committees by sending an e-mail regarding your thoughts. This bill will go to the floor of the Senate for a vote very soon so do not delay in contacting your senator…… · State Governor: governor@governor.ca.gov · Senator Speier: senator.speier@sen.ca.gov · Senator Bowen: senator.bowen@sen.ca.gov · All of the above Details on the status of the legislation can be found at: http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/pagequery?type=sen_bilinfo&site=sen& title=Bill+Information Just type SB1614 in the space for "Bill number." National Genealogical Society (NGS) and the Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) speak out on this issue. P.S. II I am looking for my long lost relatives that were last known to live in the San Francisco area, we believe: Mary Neumann (married name Cowan or something spelled like that). She had a son, but they left Pennsylvania around the time of World War II, and my grandmother cannot remember the name of the son. Her brother Herman (nicknames: Louie and Hermie) Neumann also moved to California as well as her brother Frederick (Freddie) Neumann. We think Mary was born about 1914 and her brother Herman in about 1912 and her brother Freddie in about 1908. Mary's husband was a mailman back in Pittsburgh, but I think he died before she left for CA. I could be wrong though. Mary's parents were August (nickname: Albert) Neumann and Katherine M. (nickname: Kitty) White. My grandmother is just dying to know what ever happened to her cousins.

Hi, Im seeking the Obit for this person: Solveig Olson, died at Inter-Community Hospital in Covina, Los Angeles in 1981. Her last residence was 825 West San Bernardino Road in Covina. Here is her information: Name: Solveig Olson Born: 14th October 1895, Norway Died: 11th November 1981, Los Angeles (19) Last residence: 91724 Covina, Los Angeles, CA. SSN: 471-30-4102. She is burried at Forest Lawn Memorial Park, 21300 Via Verde Drive in Covina. I would be most gratefull if anyone could help me with the Obit of this person. Sincerely, May.

Hello, Could some please transcribe the Death Cert. for the following person: PASCOE MARCUS WILLETT 05/10/1871 HARGARTH PASCOE M CANADA LOS ANGELES(19) 08/23/1947 76 yrs PASCOE MARK W 05/10/1871 HARGARTH PASCOE M CANADA LOS ANGELES(19) 08/23/1947 76 yrs Thank You!

Dear listers: I hope SKS can direct me on how I can obtain a copy of an obit on someone who lived in Studio City (never realize someone could lived there.) and died in 1975. Which newspaper is the preferred paper for Studio City? Is there a library that I can contact that will make a copy and mail it to me? Thanks. Nora FitzGerald

Greetings! I hope someone can help me. We are searching for some long lost friends. Their name is Kenneth and Marilyn McDonal. I think they may live in Canoga Park, CA. They used to live in Ohio. If anyone know these folks and knows how we can get a hold of them please let me know. Thank you so much! Mary Ann Carl and Mary Louise Lipford

OOPS, my typo caused misspelled name of California's Governer. Should read Governor Davis, not David. Corrections have been made below. Mary -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Senate Bill 1614 - "Did you notice this ?" Deborah, The intent of the bill is to prevent our use of indexes for birth and death until all maiden names of mothers and the Soc. Sec. number have been stripped from the millions of names already in the indexes. And that could take years and lots of money the counties simply cannot afford. However, in the reference you posted, I think it means when we want to PURCHASE a certificate (as opposed to searching the index) since it states "...upon receipt of a request that reasonably identifies the record...." (and how can we do that without the indexes?!!!) This language seems completely conflicting, and also unnecessary inasmuch as we must now complete a form showing the information about the record we want, sign it and give our address and phone number in order to purchase a certificate from county Recorder's Offices and/or from the State Vital Records office in Sacramento. Previously in the bill, all references have been to the indexes for birth and death. This now seems to refer to actually purchasing the actual record - not to view the index. I suspect Governor Davis and the legislator he has pushing this bill - and the legislators who have so far voted in favor of it - have absolutely no idea how potentially destructive this bill can be. It's too bad legislators ( and governors) try to change things without more knowoledge about what it is they are attempting to change. The reasons they give are so ridiculous it makes one wonder what little secrets are they afraid someone will find out about them? Certainly no criminal-minded person would attempt to create a false identify by leaving a paper trail such as is required now in order to get a record. It's easier to pay a few dollars and get the falseidentity printed as some print shop that is able to do that. And there are many near the Mexican border - and probably elsewhere also. This bill means the indexes from the beginning - from 1905 forward! What's next - the burning or restriction of our access to old newspapers where maiden names of brides are found in wedding announcements, maiden name of mothers, names of their chlldren, etc. And will our county history books be next? What about school history books - the biographies that give maiden names of women? In my humble opinion this bill is ridiculous and unnecessary. Mary Inglis Deborah wrote: > > Did I read this wrong? > > ANALYSIS : The Public Records Act requires a state or > local agency to disclose public records that are not > otherwise exempt from disclosure to the public, upon > receipt of a request that reasonably identifies the record > and payment of a fee to cover costs. The act further > requires that the requested non-exempt record, if available > in electronic format, be provided in that format when > requested by any person, except under specified circumstances. > > "Payment of fee to cover costs" ........ does that mean we can not go to > the county recorder's and look at the records anymore? > > Deborah

Deborah, The intent of the bill is to prevent our use of indexes for birth and death until all maiden names of mothers and the Soc. Sec. number have been stripped from the millions of names already in the indexes. And that could take years and lots of money the counties simply cannot afford. However, in the reference you posted, I think it means when we want to PURCHASE a certificate (as opposed to searching the index) since it states "...upon receipt of a request that reasonably identifies the record...." (and how can we do that without the indexes?!!!) This language seems completely conflicting, and also unnecessary inasmuch as we must now complete a form showing the information about the record we want, sign it and give our address and phone number in order to purchase a certificate from county Recorder's Offices and/or from the State Vital Records office in Sacramento. Previously in the bill, all references have been to the indexes for birth and death. This appears now seems to refer to actually purchasing the actual record - not to view the index. I suspect Governor David and the legislator he has pushing this bill - or the legislators who have so far voted in favor of it - have absolutely no idea how potentially destructive this bill can be. It's too bad legislators ( and governors) try to change things without more knowoledge about what it is they are attempting to change. The reasons they give are so ridiculous it makes one wonder what little secreta are they afraid someone will find out about them? Certainly no criminal minded person would attempt to create a false identify by leaving a paper trail. It's easier to pay a few dollars and get the false identity printed as some print shop that is able to do that. And there are many near the Mexican border - and probably elsewhere also. This bill means the indexes from the beginning - from 1905 forward! What's next - the burning or restriction of our access to old newspapers where maiden names of brides are found in wedding announcement, maiden name of mothers, names of their chlldren, etc. And will our county history books be next? What about school history books - the biographies that give maiden names of women? In my humble opinion this bill is ridiculous and unnecessary. Mary Inglis Deborah wrote: > > Did I read this wrong? > > ANALYSIS : The Public Records Act requires a state or > local agency to disclose public records that are not > otherwise exempt from disclosure to the public, upon > receipt of a request that reasonably identifies the record > and payment of a fee to cover costs. The act further > requires that the requested non-exempt record, if available > in electronic format, be provided in that format when > requested by any person, except under specified circumstances. > > "Payment of fee to cover costs" ........ does that mean we can not go to > the county recorder's and look at the records anymore? > > Deborah

Did I read this wrong? ANALYSIS : The Public Records Act requires a state or local agency to disclose public records that are not otherwise exempt from disclosure to the public, upon receipt of a request that reasonably identifies the record and payment of a fee to cover costs. The act further requires that the requested non-exempt record, if available in electronic format, be provided in that format when requested by any person, except under specified circumstances. "Payment of fee to cover costs" ........ does that mean we can not go to the county recorder's and look at the records anymore? Deborah

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For anyone interested, here is the most recent Senate Analyses of the effect of SB 1614's statement of intent to protect the confidentiality of birth and death records. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1601-1650/sb_1614_cfa_20020605_100043_sen_floor.html Sue Silver

May I please have a DCT for Clarence B. Stahl, birthdate 11/29/1882, date of death 07/21/1945, birth place Pennsylvania. Thanks very much, Sincerely, Dale Bricker --

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