I searched the Historical LA Times for Frederick and didn't find an obit or funeral notice 6/29/1960 - 7/4/1960 Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: AdaMarie To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [CALOSANG] Siddall/ Rice genealogy I am looking for the dates for Frederic Siddall who married Charlotte Rice.. I found this on the net and want to verify it Frederic C. Siddall 12/31/1881---6/28/1960 Ca Death index. Charlotte Rice 15 Oct 1892- May 1975 Social Security Thanks for any help AdaMarie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to the 1910 census Eliza J. and Harry had been married 16 years, 1st marriage, no children, he was naturalized 1888 - she was born Ohio 1910 > CALIFORNIA > SAN DIEGO > 1-WD SAN DIEGO Series: T624 Roll: 94 Page: 81 COLAN HARRY D 52 M W ENGL CA SAN DIEGO 1-WD SAN DIEGO 1910 You can order the 1890 Great register records on microfilm from your local FHL - I checked my cd of 1890 and he isn't listed so maybe he appears in later years..... Title: Great registers, 1867-1898 Authors: San Diego County (California). County Clerk (Main Author) Great registers 1892, 1894, 1896, 1898 FHL US/CAN Film 977095 Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Kay Blanton To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [CALOSANG] Harry Colan I am seeking information on Harry D. Colan. I need his marriage date to Elizabeth Smith. I believe it to be somewhere around 1903/4 but where. They lived in San Diego Co at the time of their demise. His in the 1930's her in Jan of 1940. I am also trying to find out when his Naturalization was in the late 1880's according to the Census record. Where would I find this. Any help will be very much appreciate. Kay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am in Pennsylvania and would be grateful for an obituary lookup in a Los Angeles newspaper: Ophelia YOUNG, died on 1 April 1986, at the age of 92. Her birthdate was 14 Jan 1894. Thanks

California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Frederic C Siddall Name: Frederic C Siddall Social Security #: 481077258 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 23 Dec 1881 Birthplace: England Death Date: 28 Jun 1960 Death Place: Los Angeles Mother's Maiden Name: Blair California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Charlott G Siddall Name: Charlott G Siddall Social Security #: 481077260 Sex: FEMALE Birth Date: 15 Oct 1892 Birthplace: Iowa Death Date: 7 May 1975 Death Place: San Diego in 1930 they are living in IA: Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Sioux City, Woodbury, Iowa; Roll: 690; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 54; Image: 399.0. Name: Fred C Siddall Home in 1930: Sioux City, Woodbury, Iowa Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte G Race: White Household Members: Name Age Fred C Siddall 48 Charlotte G Siddall 36 Genevieve Rice 19 Nanc ----- Original Message ----- From: "AdaMarie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: [CALOSANG] Siddall/ Rice genealogy > I am looking for the dates for Frederic Siddall who married Charlotte Rice.. > I found this on the net and want to verify it > > Frederic C. Siddall 12/31/1881---6/28/1960 Ca Death index. > > Charlotte Rice 15 Oct 1892- May 1975 Social Security > > Thanks for any help > AdaMarie >

I am looking for the dates for Frederic Siddall who married Charlotte Rice.. I found this on the net and want to verify it Frederic C. Siddall 12/31/1881---6/28/1960 Ca Death index. Charlotte Rice 15 Oct 1892- May 1975 Social Security Thanks for any help AdaMarie

I am seeking information on Harry D. Colan. I need his marriage date to Elizabeth Smith. I believe it to be somewhere around 1903/4 but where. They lived in San Diego Co at the time of their demise. His in the 1930's her in Jan of 1940. I am also trying to find out when his Naturalization was in the late 1880's according to the Census record. Where would I find this. Any help will be very much appreciate. Kay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

I went to http://news.google.com/archivesearch and put in Robert Gratz Fell and found quite a few articles...... Here's an example...... DIVORCE FOR MRS. FELL.; Philadelphia Society Woman Charged Cruel ... New York Times - Jan 3, 1906 The Common Pleas Court granted a decree of divorce to-day to Ethel Patterson Abercrombie Fell from Robert Gratz Fell. Mrs. Fell, one of Chestnut Hill's ... R. H. Lee to Wed Florence Fell. I $3.95 - New York Times - Dec 24, 1933 Robert Gratz Fell of this city have announced the engagement ot their daughter, Miss Florence A. Fell, to Robert H. Lee, son of Mrs. Edward S. Lee and the ... ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: [CALOSANG] Seeking info on ETHEL G. (ABERCROMBIE) FELL STEWARTBROWN, Hollywood subject: ETHEL GERTRUDE (ABERCROMBIE) FELL STEWART BROWN, b. Bucks County, PA, June 11, 1880. She is not to be found in the 1940- CA death index: She was last known to be living in Hollywood, CA in 1939 at the time of her father's death. Trying to find out what became of her and her first child ROBERT GRATZ FELL, JR., from her first marriage. It is believed he was also living with his mother in Hollywood. ETHEL was my 2nd cousin, 3 times removed. Would anyone on this list have any research ideas for finding out what became of her? Here is an excerpt from her father's listing in BURKE's. Burke's American Families with British Ancestry: The lineages of 1,600 families of British origin now resident in the United States of America. by Sir John Bernard Burke - 1948 Pages 2530. & 2531. ABERCROMBIE ABERCROMBIE FRANCIS PATTERSON ABERCROMBIE, of Philadelphia, Penna., Civil Engineer, late Superintendent of New York Div. of Pennsylvania Railroad Co., Member of Sons of the American Revolution, b. 2 Jan. 1852; educ. ST. MARK's School, Southborough, Mass., and Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst., Troy, N. Y., m. 1877 ELEANOR, dau. of ALFRED (ALBERT) LORD PACKER, of Bristol, Penna., and had issue, 2 ETHEL GERTRUDE ABERCROMBIE, (4308, Rhodes Avenue, Hollywood, Calif.), b. 11 June 1880; m. 1) ROBERT GRATZ FELL, of Philadelphia, Penna. (marriage dissolved by divorce) and had issue, i. ROBERT GRATZ she m. 2) JOHN A. STEWART, of Short Hills, N.J., and has further issue. i. living. (she later married WILLARD W. BROWN in Reno, Nevada in 1921) Thank you for any research ideas! Jacqueline Sleeper Russell Website:_ http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surname=A_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surname=A) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jamboree Program is now available The official 12-page Jamboree Program is now available for download from the Jamboree section of the SCGS website www.scgsgenealogy.com. The program includes the lecture schedule; speaker biographies; information about the Marriott and lodging arrangements; sponsors, exhibitors and contributors; and the printed registration form for those who wish to register by mail or phone. Online registration is also available at http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=50. Publication of the program represents the culmination of months of the committee's planning and organization. We hope that you will find it useful in your own conference planning. Printed copies will be going out in the mail by mid-month. SCGS members and prior Jamboree participants will receive copies automatically. To be added to our email list to receive a brochure in the mail, please provide your contact information here: http://www.surveyconsole.com/console/gateway/243535. If you would like to obtain copies for your genealogical society, library, historical society or other group, please drop us a note at [email protected] with instructions on the number you need and where to send the copies. Thanks in advance for helping us get the word out. Major Jamboree Sponsorship Announced We are pleased to announce that Ancestry.com has agreed to provide a major sponsorship to the 2008 Genealogy Jamboree. Ancestry.com, a company of The Generations Network, will underwrite the appearance of Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, chief family historian for Ancestry.com. Ancestry.com will be represented on the exhibit floor by Suzanne Russo Adams and Adele Marcum. Stop by their booth at spaces 307, 308 and 309 and thank them for their continuing support of Jamboree. We are very grateful for their participation in our sponsorship program and look forward to welcoming Ancestry back for another successful Jamboree.

I realize that my remark is a bit off the County, but several counties in California (specifically Santa Clara, and Tehama) require a notarized signature even for Informational Copies. Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kaytt Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates in CDI & SSN Hi Jeanne, I have ordered other certificates from California and had no problem getting the informational copy, so I will do it again. Thanks so much, Kathy (in Canada) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name,different birth & death dates in CDI & SSN > Would you be able to get a copy of the death certificate? That would > clear up the date issue and also tell you where she's buried. > > I have ordered California death certificates for various family members > from the Vital Statistics office in Sacramento. If you don't want to go > through the hassled of getting your request for the certificate notarized > to prove you're a relative, you can still get an informational copy > (instead of a certified copy). An informational copy will still give you > the information you're looking for. It's a true copy of the cerfiticate; > it's just stamped with the words "informational copy." > > Jeanne > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's time for another update from the Southern California Genealogical Society. Can you believe that Daylight Savings Time starts next weekend, March 9? I know this has been a hard winter for many of our members and friends in the snow belt, so we'll hope that this month brings an early Spring. Are you keeping up with the Jamboree blog? Be looking for some BIG announcements this week. Recent posts have included speaker bios and presentation summaries; a snapshot of "what's new and improved" for this year's Jamboree; more of the "Top 10 Reasons why Jamboree is Better than a Genealogy Cruise"; a behind-the-scenes peek at planning Jamboree; and the first stop on the LA Junk Food Tour - Pinks, the hot dog stand with valet parking. If you haven't check out the blog, in a few days, take some time and catch up on the recent posts. Find the blog at www.genealogyjamboree.blogspot.com. You'll also find a link from the Jamboree section of the SCGS website at www.scgsgenealogy.com. Subscribe to the blog, receive notification whenever an article is added, and choose whether to have posts emailed to you. Here's an activity you'll want to add to your calendar right away. On April 26 and 27, members of SCGS will be attending the LA Times Festival of Books again this year, promoting the Society and Jamboree. If you would like to help staff the booth, please contact Leo Myers at [email protected] This is a fantastic event with book signings, presentations, and exhibit booths galore. Check the LA Times website http://www.latimes.com/extras/festivalofbooks/ for further information. Be sure to stop by the SCGS Booth (Booth 134) and say hi. Upcoming at the Southern California Genealogical Society March 8 - 12:00 noon to 2:00 p.m. 12:00 p.m. lunch (bring your own) 1:00 p.m. Lecture Open to the Public - free Beginning DNA: Genetic Genealogy - What is it all about? By Doug Miller Learn what it is, how to do it, and why you should. This is your chance to find out what this new genealogical tool is all about from Doug Miller one of SCGS's DNA Project Coordinators. Doug Miller is past president of the Southern California Genealogical Society. He found the importance of DNA testing when he was able to prove (after 20 years of research) that his brother-in-law Daniel Fuller was indeed descended from Edward Fuller of the Mayflower. Doug is a founding member of the International Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG) and is currently the Project Administrator of three DNA projects. We invited Doug to give you the low-down on the latest research technique - DNA testing. Come to find out how important this new genealogical tool can be to the success of your research. He is here to give you the Who's, What's, Where's, When's, and Why's and he hopes that you will say Why Not? **A $30.00 discount gift certificate for a DNA test through FTDNA will be in the opportunity drawing. Any questions please contact Charlotte 323-669-1982 or Doug Miller 661-296-8740 March 11 - 1:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. Writers Group (SCGS members only) March 13 - 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Long Range Planning meeting March 15 - 1:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. German German Interest Group - Immigration to Pennsylvania March 20 - 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Board of Directors meeting March 25 - 12:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. Writers Group (SCGS members only) March 29 - 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. DNA Interest Group Contact Doug Miller [email protected] On Saturday, March 29, 2008, 10 a.m. - 2 p.m., Bonny Cook and Charlotte Bocage will discuss Organizing a Family Reunion and Presenting DNA Information. Charlotte has been organizing family reunions for both her Bocage and Thomas/Bloom families and has had DNA information presented at these reunions. Bonny Cook presented "Genealogy & DNA- What's it All About" at one of her family reunions. Learn how to be effective in both endeavors. March 30 - 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Irish Interest Group We are planning a very good workshop for you. In addition to getting to look at the Casey Collection, which is now on the shelves, we will have Alice Fairhurst giving a presentation on Searching for Your Scottish Roots. Clyda Murray-Bhatt will also be on hand to give you tips on Scots-Irish research. Edward McKelvey will be there to offer help to those in need. I will review the basics of Irish research again for those of you who have not heard it before or who need a reminder. If you do not know where your family came from in Ireland, this is very important to know. Marge Rossini doesn't know if she will have time to make soda bread again, but we will see. If you have any questions or would like to volunteer to bring refreshments, feel free to send me an email at [email protected] April April 5 - 2:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. TMG Computer Software User Group April 6 - 1:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. Writers Group (SCGS Members only) April 10 - 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Long Range Planning Committee Meeting April 12 - 9:00 a.m. - 11:30 a.m. Jamboree Committee April 12 - 12:00 noon - 2:00 p.m. Description 12:00pm lunch (bring your own) 1:00pm Lecture Open to the Public - free The Link between Genealogy and Memoir by Alice Rene Alice Rene will show how her husband's interest in his genealogy and her grandson's history assignment led her to write her own memoir. Alice holds a Master's degree in Social Welfare and was a Medical Caseworker at U.C. Hospital in San Francisco. She has three children and lives with her husband in Southern California. She has been published in OBTHEBUS and the L.A. Times and is the author of Becoming Alice, A Memoir. April 14 - 7:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. Legacy Software Users Group April 17 - 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Board of Directors Meeting April 19 - 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. German Interest Group Lois Burlo - Immigration to Wisconsin April 20 - 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. French-Canadian Interest Group Meeting April 22 - 12:00 noon - 2:00 p.m. Writers Group (SCGS members only) April 26-27 Los Angeles Times Festival of Books April 27 - 2:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Family Tree Maker Software Users Group -------------------------------- The French-Canadian Research Group meets at the library on Wednesdays, and the German Research Group is available for research assistance on Thursdays. The Library is open to the public for research on: 10:00 am - 4:00 pm Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays 10:00 am - 9:00 pm Tuesdays 10:00 am - 4:00 pm on third and fourth Saturdays 10:00 am - 4:00 pm on first and second Sundays Closed Mondays All activities held at the Southern California Genealogical Society 417 Irving Drive Burbank, California 91504-2408 phone: 818-843-7247 email: [email protected] web: www.scgsgenealogy.com

Hi Jeanne, I have ordered other certificates from California and had no problem getting the informational copy, so I will do it again. Thanks so much, Kathy (in Canada) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name,different birth & death dates in CDI & SSN > Would you be able to get a copy of the death certificate? That would > clear up the date issue and also tell you where she's buried. > > I have ordered California death certificates for various family members > from the Vital Statistics office in Sacramento. If you don't want to go > through the hassled of getting your request for the certificate notarized > to prove you're a relative, you can still get an informational copy > (instead of a certified copy). An informational copy will still give you > the information you're looking for. It's a true copy of the cerfiticate; > it's just stamped with the words "informational copy." > > Jeanne >

Would you be able to get a copy of the death certificate? That would clear up the date issue and also tell you where she's buried. I have ordered California death certificates for various family members from the Vital Statistics office in Sacramento. If you don't want to go through the hassled of getting your request for the certificate notarized to prove you're a relative, you can still get an informational copy (instead of a certified copy). An informational copy will still give you the information you're looking for. It's a true copy of the cerfiticate; it's just stamped with the words "informational copy." Jeanne kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for the information Jeanne. When both documents show different information, it's hard to know which one to believe unless I can find other information to use as a clue. Maybe I'll be lucky and find her on an on-line cemetery with burials listed. That would certainly help to narrow down a death date. Kathy From: "Jeanne Moore" > There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. > > My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the > Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, > California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but > she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died > in Honolulu. > > I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly > states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister > gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death > cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence > incorrect on the list. > > Jeanne > > kaytt wrote: > California Death Index: > Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE > Social Security #: 561-28-4214 > Sex: Female > Birth Date: 25 July 1893 > Birthplace: NEW JERSEY > Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 > Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) > Mother's Maiden Name: > Father's Surname: > > > SSN Index: > Name: Leontine P. Manning > SSN: 561-28-4214 > Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of > America > Born: 25 Jul 1892 > Died: 17 Mar 1989 > State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Jacqueline, I searched the 1930 census index for Ethel. Is it possible that she could be this 1930 CA listing? possibly using her maiden name in 1930? shows a different last name for son? was he an actor and changed his name? middle initial, age, p.o.b. seem to fit; Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California; Roll: 157; Page: 68A; Enumeration District: 614; Image: 1133.0.; Ward A D 51, Block No.3330, ED 19-614, Supv.Dist.No.15; taken Apr.21st, lines 21-22, at 10515 Valley Springs Lane, Name: Ethel P Abercrombie Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Relation to Head of House: Head Race: White Household Members: Name Age Ethel P Abercrombie 48y, h/h, owns/$7000, f, w, Div, PA PA PA, no occup, Robert Lee 26y/1904...written as LEE, Robert G. Jr., son, m, w, sngl, PA PA PA, Ca?t??/ Motion Pictures, not a veteran. ? possibly she married again to a RANDALL ? only Ethel b.PA 11 June in CADI that seems close; California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Ethel H Randall Name: Ethel H Randall Social Security #: 157269949 Sex: FEMALE Birth Date: 11 Jun 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Death Date: 16 Nov 1972 Death Place: Monterey I'll also check the CA Voters lists and see if I can match her up. Nanc... what a wild and interesting life she had. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: [CALOSANG] Seeking info on ETHEL G. (ABERCROMBIE) FELL STEWARTBROWN, Hollywood > > > subject: ETHEL GERTRUDE (ABERCROMBIE) FELL STEWART BROWN, b. Bucks County, > PA, June 11, 1880. She is not to be found in the 1940- CA death index: > > > > She was last known to be living in Hollywood, CA in 1939 at the time of her > father's death. > Trying to find out what became of her and her first child ROBERT GRATZ FELL, > JR., from her first marriage. It is believed he was also living with his > mother in Hollywood. ETHEL was my 2nd cousin, 3 times removed. > > Would anyone on this list have any research ideas for finding out what became > of her? Here is an excerpt from her father's listing in BURKE's. > > Burke's American Families with British Ancestry: The lineages of 1,600 > families of British origin now resident in the United States of America. by Sir John > Bernard Burke - 1948 > Pages 2530. & 2531. > > ABERCROMBIE > > ABERCROMBIE FRANCIS PATTERSON ABERCROMBIE, of Philadelphia, Penna., Civil > Engineer, late Superintendent of New York Div. of Pennsylvania Railroad Co., > Member of Sons of the American Revolution, b. 2 Jan. 1852; educ. ST. MARK's > School, Southborough, Mass., and Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst., Troy, N. Y., m. > 1877 ELEANOR, dau. of ALFRED (ALBERT) LORD PACKER, of Bristol, Penna., and had > issue, > > 2 ETHEL GERTRUDE ABERCROMBIE, (4308, Rhodes Avenue, Hollywood, Calif.), b. 11 > June 1880; m. 1) ROBERT GRATZ FELL, of Philadelphia, Penna. (marriage > dissolved by divorce) and had issue, i. ROBERT GRATZ > she m. 2) JOHN A. STEWART, of Short Hills, N.J., and has further issue. i. > living. > (she later married WILLARD W. BROWN in Reno, Nevada in 1921) > > Thank you for any research ideas! > > Jacqueline Sleeper Russell > Website:_ > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surname=A_ > (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&su rname=A) >

The death information on the Social Security Index is normally provided by the person filling out the form for death benfits. I have found several errors in the benefit request completed for some of my relatives. Ofter the person filling out the forms are inlaws or someone designated to manage the application process for death benefits. While we assume a person registering would know their own birthdate, but I have found Social Security data and the certificate of birth are not the same information. Clerical errors? Poor memory? Most of the Social Seurity data is correct, but they are not perfect. When we find discrepencies, we need to seek other records to verify if the information is correct or an error exist. Census data, school records, city directories, and where possible interiews other relatives or friends. Jonelle -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Mar 1, 2008 3:58 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: CALOSANG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 36 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Manning's date differences (Loretta Mikolyski) > 2. Re: Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates > in CDI & SSN (Jeanne Moore) > 3. Re: Manning's date differences (kaytt) > 4. Re: Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates > in CDI & SSN (kaytt) > 5. Re: Manning's date differences (kaytt) > 6. Re: Manning's date differences (kaytt) > 7. Re: Same SSN number and name, different birth & death dates > in CDI... ([email protected]) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:38:12 -0800 >From: Loretta Mikolyski <[email protected]> >Subject: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Kathy, >>From my experience, instruction and understanding with these records, the SS death index would be more accurate with her birth date, since she was the actual person to fill out the application. But in order to be 100% accurate on that, you would need to purchase her ss-5 card application from the social security administration to see what she wrote down. Her last benefit may not have been claimed by a living person until that later year. > >The California death index record is probably closer to the correct death date because that form is filled out right after death to create the death certificate, but the person remembering when she was born, the informant, wasn't real accurate. Do you have any other records that would show a birth year or age, like a census record or marriage record? If you have the death certificate, it will show the burial information, mortuary, cemetery, or cremation info. You can also contact the company that prepared her remains for whatever took place there to see what their records have for her. > >Human error is also possible. The transcribers who indexed the records may have hit the wrong key on either of the online records. It just goes to show ya, that you have to take everything with a grain of salt and continue to try and get more records that she actually was alive to fill out. Even official records can be inaccurate. >I purchased my grandmother's ss-5 application which she filled out herself, it had her correct birth date and mother's name and place of birth, but the rest of the parental information was wrong. She was married to her 2nd husband at the time, used her 1st husband's father's information as hers. I had learned that her real father died when she was real young, she never knew him and she married her first husband when she was 15 yrs old. I would say that would indicate any number of reasons why wrong information was on the application. > >I hope this has helped in some way. Keep hunting for more records to match the dates. Good luck to you. > >Loretta > > > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:18:44 -0600 >> From: kaytt <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & death >> dates in CDI & SSN >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same >> SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a >> different day, month and year. >> What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right >> one? >> >> >> California Death Index: >> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >> Sex: Female >> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >> Mother's Maiden Name: >> Father's Surname: >> >> >> SSN Index: >> Name: Leontine P. Manning >> SSN: 561-28-4214 >> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >> America >> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. >http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:23:28 -0800 (PST) >From: Jeanne Moore <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & > death dates in CDI & SSN >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. > > My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died in Honolulu. > > I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence incorrect on the list. > > Jeanne > >kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: > These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same >SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a >different day, month and year. >What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right >one? > > >California Death Index: >Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >Sex: Female >Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >Mother's Maiden Name: >Father's Surname: > > >SSN Index: >Name: Leontine P. Manning >SSN: 561-28-4214 >Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >America >Born: 25 Jul 1892 >Died: 17 Mar 1989 >State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) > >Kathy > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:42:25 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >Thanks for the information and all of your suggestions. I was able to fine >Leontine Possienne (and surname variations) on the following census. > >1900 age 6 (born about 1894) >1910 age 17 (born about 1893) >1920 (can't find her) >1930 age 33 (born about 1897) > >As you can see, she lost a few years in 1930. Her husband was younger so >that could have something to do with it. >I might have to look into purchasing a death cert. so I can find out when >and where she was buried and then carry on from there. > >Kathy > > >From: "Loretta Mikolyski" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:38 AM > > >>>From my experience, instruction and understanding with these records, the >>>SS death index would be more accurate with her birth date, since she was >>>the actual person to fill out the application. But in order to be 100% >>>accurate on that, you would need to purchase her ss-5 card application >>>from the social security administration to see what she wrote down. Her >>>last benefit may not have been claimed by a living person until that later >>>year. >> >> The California death index record is probably closer to the correct death >> date because that form is filled out right after death to create the death >> certificate, but the person remembering when she was born, the informant, >> wasn't real accurate. Do you have any other records that would show a >> birth year or age, like a census record or marriage record? If you have >> the death certificate, it will show the burial information, mortuary, >> cemetery, or cremation info. You can also contact the company that >> prepared her remains for whatever took place there to see what their >> records have for her. >> >> Human error is also possible. The transcribers who indexed the records >> may have hit the wrong key on either of the online records. It just goes >> to show ya, that you have to take everything with a grain of salt and >> continue to try and get more records that she actually was alive to fill >> out. Even official records can be inaccurate. >> I purchased my grandmother's ss-5 application which she filled out >> herself, it had her correct birth date and mother's name and place of >> birth, but the rest of the parental information was wrong. She was >> married to her 2nd husband at the time, used her 1st husband's father's >> information as hers. I had learned that her real father died when she was >> real young, she never knew him and she married her first husband when she >> was 15 yrs old. I would say that would indicate any number of reasons why >> wrong information was on the application. >> > >>> From: kaytt <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & death >>> dates in CDI & SSN >>> >>> These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the >>> same >>> SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates >>> have a >>> different day, month and year. >>> What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the >>> right >>> one? >>> >>> >>> California Death Index: >>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>> Sex: Female >>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>> Father's Surname: >>> >>> >>> SSN Index: >>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >>> America >>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:52:33 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & > death dates in CDI & SSN >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >Thanks for the information Jeanne. >When both documents show different information, it's hard to know which one >to believe unless I can find other information to use as a clue. Maybe I'll >be lucky and find her on an on-line cemetery with burials listed. That >would certainly help to narrow down a death date. > >Kathy > > > >From: "Jeanne Moore" <[email protected]> >> There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. >> >> My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the >> Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, >> California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but >> she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died >> in Honolulu. >> >> I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly >> states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister >> gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death >> cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence >> incorrect on the list. >> >> Jeanne >> > >> kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> California Death Index: >> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >> Sex: Female >> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >> Mother's Maiden Name: >> Father's Surname: >> >> >> SSN Index: >> Name: Leontine P. Manning >> SSN: 561-28-4214 >> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >> America >> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:09:47 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >I have stumbled onto something but I'm not sure how I should interpret it. >I found her husband in the California death index and his SSDI matches. >They show the same death date as the California death index shows for >Leontine. > >Name: MANNING, ARTHUR VIRGIL >Social Security #: 555203930 >Sex: MALE >Birth Date: 9 Sep 1895 >Birthplace: MISSOURI >Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >Death Place: SAN BERNARDINO >Mother's Maiden Name: MERCHANT >Father's Surname: > >>> California Death Index: >>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>> Sex: Female >>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>> Father's Surname: >>> >>> >>> SSN Index: >>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >>> America >>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:22:26 -0600 >From: kaytt <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >I think the California death index I was looking at was mistranscribed. > >I found her on http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeygen.htm >with a death date of 17 March, 1989 which matches her SSDI death date. > >Kathy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kaytt" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:09 PM >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences > > >>I have stumbled onto something but I'm not sure how I should interpret it. >> I found her husband in the California death index and his SSDI matches. >> They show the same death date as the California death index shows for >> Leontine. >> >> Name: MANNING, ARTHUR VIRGIL >> Social Security #: 555203930 >> Sex: MALE >> Birth Date: 9 Sep 1895 >> Birthplace: MISSOURI >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: SAN BERNARDINO >> Mother's Maiden Name: MERCHANT >> Father's Surname: >> >>>> California Death Index: >>>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>>> Sex: Female >>>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>>> Father's Surname: >>>> >>>> >>>> SSN Index: >>>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States >>>> of >>>> America >>>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:57:53 EST >From: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & > death dates in CDI... >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Wonder if the address of last residence is where the burial benefit is >mailed...? Seems like I'd read that at one time. > >Linda > > >In a message dated 3/1/2008 12:24:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. > >My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the >Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, >California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but she'd lived >in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died in Honolulu. > >I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly >states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister gave >Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death cert) when she >notified them. And they still had her last residence incorrect on the list. > >Jeanne > >kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: >These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same >SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a >different day, month and year. >What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right >one? > > >California Death Index: >Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >Sex: Female >Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >Mother's Maiden Name: >Father's Surname: > > >SSN Index: >Name: Leontine P. Manning >SSN: 561-28-4214 >Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >America >Born: 25 Jul 1892 >Died: 17 Mar 1989 >State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) > >Kathy > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the message > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it >now. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message > > > > > >**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. >(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ >2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the CALOSANG list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the CALOSANG mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of CALOSANG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 36 >***************************************

subject: ETHEL GERTRUDE (ABERCROMBIE) FELL STEWART BROWN, b. Bucks County, PA, June 11, 1880. She is not to be found in the 1940- CA death index: She was last known to be living in Hollywood, CA in 1939 at the time of her father's death. Trying to find out what became of her and her first child ROBERT GRATZ FELL, JR., from her first marriage. It is believed he was also living with his mother in Hollywood. ETHEL was my 2nd cousin, 3 times removed. Would anyone on this list have any research ideas for finding out what became of her? Here is an excerpt from her father's listing in BURKE's. Burke's American Families with British Ancestry: The lineages of 1,600 families of British origin now resident in the United States of America. by Sir John Bernard Burke - 1948 Pages 2530. & 2531. ABERCROMBIE ABERCROMBIE FRANCIS PATTERSON ABERCROMBIE, of Philadelphia, Penna., Civil Engineer, late Superintendent of New York Div. of Pennsylvania Railroad Co., Member of Sons of the American Revolution, b. 2 Jan. 1852; educ. ST. MARK's School, Southborough, Mass., and Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst., Troy, N. Y., m. 1877 ELEANOR, dau. of ALFRED (ALBERT) LORD PACKER, of Bristol, Penna., and had issue, 2 ETHEL GERTRUDE ABERCROMBIE, (4308, Rhodes Avenue, Hollywood, Calif.), b. 11 June 1880; m. 1) ROBERT GRATZ FELL, of Philadelphia, Penna. (marriage dissolved by divorce) and had issue, i. ROBERT GRATZ she m. 2) JOHN A. STEWART, of Short Hills, N.J., and has further issue. i. living. (she later married WILLARD W. BROWN in Reno, Nevada in 1921) Thank you for any research ideas! Jacqueline Sleeper Russell Website:_ http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surname=A_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr&surname=A) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Wonder if the address of last residence is where the burial benefit is mailed...? Seems like I'd read that at one time. Linda In a message dated 3/1/2008 12:24:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died in Honolulu. I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence incorrect on the list. Jeanne kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the same SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates have a different day, month and year. What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the right one? California Death Index: Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE Social Security #: 561-28-4214 Sex: Female Birth Date: 25 July 1893 Birthplace: NEW JERSEY Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) Mother's Maiden Name: Father's Surname: SSN Index: Name: Leontine P. Manning SSN: 561-28-4214 Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Born: 25 Jul 1892 Died: 17 Mar 1989 State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I think the California death index I was looking at was mistranscribed. I found her on http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeygen.htm with a death date of 17 March, 1989 which matches her SSDI death date. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "kaytt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [CALOSANG] Manning's date differences >I have stumbled onto something but I'm not sure how I should interpret it. > I found her husband in the California death index and his SSDI matches. > They show the same death date as the California death index shows for > Leontine. > > Name: MANNING, ARTHUR VIRGIL > Social Security #: 555203930 > Sex: MALE > Birth Date: 9 Sep 1895 > Birthplace: MISSOURI > Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 > Death Place: SAN BERNARDINO > Mother's Maiden Name: MERCHANT > Father's Surname: > >>> California Death Index: >>> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >>> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >>> Sex: Female >>> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >>> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >>> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >>> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >>> Mother's Maiden Name: >>> Father's Surname: >>> >>> >>> SSN Index: >>> Name: Leontine P. Manning >>> SSN: 561-28-4214 >>> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States >>> of >>> America >>> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >>> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >>> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >>> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have stumbled onto something but I'm not sure how I should interpret it. I found her husband in the California death index and his SSDI matches. They show the same death date as the California death index shows for Leontine. Name: MANNING, ARTHUR VIRGIL Social Security #: 555203930 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 9 Sep 1895 Birthplace: MISSOURI Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 Death Place: SAN BERNARDINO Mother's Maiden Name: MERCHANT Father's Surname: >> California Death Index: >> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >> Sex: Female >> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >> Mother's Maiden Name: >> Father's Surname: >> >> >> SSN Index: >> Name: Leontine P. Manning >> SSN: 561-28-4214 >> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >> America >> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >> >

Thanks for the information Jeanne. When both documents show different information, it's hard to know which one to believe unless I can find other information to use as a clue. Maybe I'll be lucky and find her on an on-line cemetery with burials listed. That would certainly help to narrow down a death date. Kathy From: "Jeanne Moore" <[email protected]> > There are obviously mistakes on one of the lists. > > My mom died in September, 2007. When her information was finally on the > Social Security Death index, they had her last residence as Los Angeles, > California. Well, she'd lived in Los Angeles for most of her life, but > she'd lived in Honolulu, Hawaii for 10 years before she died and she died > in Honolulu. > > I don't know how Social Security gets it's information; it very clearly > states that she died in Honolulu on her death certificate and my sister > gave Social Security all the informtion (including a copy of the death > cert) when she notified them. And they still had her last residence > incorrect on the list. > > Jeanne > > kaytt <[email protected]> wrote: > California Death Index: > Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE > Social Security #: 561-28-4214 > Sex: Female > Birth Date: 25 July 1893 > Birthplace: NEW JERSEY > Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 > Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) > Mother's Maiden Name: > Father's Surname: > > > SSN Index: > Name: Leontine P. Manning > SSN: 561-28-4214 > Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of > America > Born: 25 Jul 1892 > Died: 17 Mar 1989 > State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >

Thanks for the information and all of your suggestions. I was able to fine Leontine Possienne (and surname variations) on the following census. 1900 age 6 (born about 1894) 1910 age 17 (born about 1893) 1920 (can't find her) 1930 age 33 (born about 1897) As you can see, she lost a few years in 1930. Her husband was younger so that could have something to do with it. I might have to look into purchasing a death cert. so I can find out when and where she was buried and then carry on from there. Kathy From: "Loretta Mikolyski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:38 AM >>From my experience, instruction and understanding with these records, the >>SS death index would be more accurate with her birth date, since she was >>the actual person to fill out the application. But in order to be 100% >>accurate on that, you would need to purchase her ss-5 card application >>from the social security administration to see what she wrote down. Her >>last benefit may not have been claimed by a living person until that later >>year. > > The California death index record is probably closer to the correct death > date because that form is filled out right after death to create the death > certificate, but the person remembering when she was born, the informant, > wasn't real accurate. Do you have any other records that would show a > birth year or age, like a census record or marriage record? If you have > the death certificate, it will show the burial information, mortuary, > cemetery, or cremation info. You can also contact the company that > prepared her remains for whatever took place there to see what their > records have for her. > > Human error is also possible. The transcribers who indexed the records > may have hit the wrong key on either of the online records. It just goes > to show ya, that you have to take everything with a grain of salt and > continue to try and get more records that she actually was alive to fill > out. Even official records can be inaccurate. > I purchased my grandmother's ss-5 application which she filled out > herself, it had her correct birth date and mother's name and place of > birth, but the rest of the parental information was wrong. She was > married to her 2nd husband at the time, used her 1st husband's father's > information as hers. I had learned that her real father died when she was > real young, she never knew him and she married her first husband when she > was 15 yrs old. I would say that would indicate any number of reasons why > wrong information was on the application. > >> From: kaytt <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CALOSANG] Same SSN number and name, different birth & death >> dates in CDI & SSN >> >> These two indexes are undoubtedly for the same person, both having the >> same >> SSN. However the birth year is different on each and the death dates >> have a >> different day, month and year. >> What could be the reason for this, and which one is likely to be the >> right >> one? >> >> >> California Death Index: >> Name: MANNING, LEONTINE POSIENNE >> Social Security #: 561-28-4214 >> Sex: Female >> Birth Date: 25 July 1893 >> Birthplace: NEW JERSEY >> Death Date: 24 Jun 1983 >> Death Place: LOS ANGELES (19) >> Mother's Maiden Name: >> Father's Surname: >> >> >> SSN Index: >> Name: Leontine P. Manning >> SSN: 561-28-4214 >> Last Residence: 91506 Burbank, Los Angeles, California, United States of >> America >> Born: 25 Jul 1892 >> Died: 17 Mar 1989 >> State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951 ) >> >