Earl and all - Several subscribers to [email protected] had their DNA examined and have used the results to establish/confirm family lines. They are working on getting some German "cousins" to to the same. Only males care the specific DNA marker required to establish genetic kinship. The test costs $140-$150. John Speight -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Sandra's mention of the Kerchner site brings another point of interest > to mind. I have viewed Mr. Kerchner's work (which is extensive)and encourage all of you to go to his home page and search the various segments of information he has provided, some good history regarding the German immigrants. The aspect that I am interested in is the Genealogy by DNA. If you go to Kerchner's home page and scroll down to the DNA project indentified with the "NEW" logo, you will find a project he is working on that is very interesting. Since our Leonhart came from the Palatinate area I plan to contact Kerchner and present my heritage for his evaluation for his project. If he declines I still plan to contact Family Tree DNA (www.familytreedna.com) for a kit for DNA testing. I will let you know what comes of this. Also, I am putting together some information on from sources I have on Henry Cagle (I agree some of the lines of descent appear to be a little tangled). Earl L. Cagle, Sr.! > From: Sandra Mckeithan <[email protected]> > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 07:02:58 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's > sons, I started searching to see if I could come up with something > that might help us. I found the following site that explains the > naming of the German and PA German children. The address is > www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After looking at the Americanized > versions of some of the names, go to the very bottom of the page and > click on German Naming Customs. I think that will explain why we > might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. Hope it > helps someone. > > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been > > discussed many times before. We at one time discussed how German > > names were changed over a period of time, once these people settled > > in America. To start with many were illiterate and there for > > couldn't even spell their own surname. If your name was Kegel, and > > someone in a record spelled it in a different way, you were none the > > wiser. First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, > > Leonhart to Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became > > David. I don't remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. > > When this list was started about six years ago there weren't as many > > resources on the > Internet > > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can > > determine what some German first names became in America. There are > > still people living today in America and Germany with the > surname > > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of > > these surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few > > similar > surnames. > > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart > > Kegel, our immigrant ancestor. Keep in mind however that he was born > > abt. 1684, may have started > fathering > > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have > children > > into his late 60's or early 70's. > > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that > > many early records are very sparse. Earl > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > > > Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > John, > > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > David - > > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > > > > Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 > Germany. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > > > > Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a > > > > > query > about > > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm > > > > > afraid all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one > > > > > out there? Or, > > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > > > looking > > > > > at > > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > > > > > confused records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a > > > > > > duplicate person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can > > > > > > someone in this line clear this up > > > > > for > > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel > > > > > > (the > > > > > > immigrant) as his father. 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