OK. This will not clear up things much. I'll need some more help. What John G. Cagle says in "Cagle's of Northwest Georgia" is that Jacob 1766 could be son of either John Dutchman or Charles, as both list sons named Jacob in wills. He says that he discusses this at length (and presumably gives his opinion as to lineage) in the chapter on Pickens Co. Problem is that I do not have the book which contains the Pickens Co. chapter. Does anyone have the book with the Pickens Co. info? BTW, in same passage John G. Cagle says that both Jacob b. 1804 m. Eliza Robbins and Joseph Roland b. 1808 m. Rebecca Ingram (the progenitors of the vast Cherokee Co. family) are sons of Jacob 1766. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: Cagle Research Damon, Will you quote from the source where you find John G Cagle confirming the parentage of Jacob 1766. John G has changed his opinion on many of his earliest theories and this may just be the case. I don't have all his published papers, but someone on the list will have it and can search it out. Lee Cagle Okla City On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:06:43 -0600 "Damon Cagle" <[email protected]> writes: > I agree with Lee that Jacob 1755 is son of David. However, John G. > Cagle lists Jacob 1766 (who married Eliz. Gilmore) as a son of > Charles, > not a son of John Dutchman. Both John Dutchman and Charles listed > sons > named "Jacob" in their wills. It is unclear to me from surface > reading > of John Dutchman's will that Elizabeth Gilmore is a daughter-in-law > and > not a daughter. This would mean that if Jacob 1766 is in fact the > son > of Charles and not John Dutchman, that he apparently married his > first > cousin (Elizabeth Cagle Gilmore). Can anyone shed any light on > this? > This is one of two or three major discrepancies I have in my files. > Until I get this cleared up to my satisfaction, I will continue to > list > Jacob 1766 under Charles, where John G. Cagle has placed him. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: Cagle Research > > Gran, > > Jacob Cagle, b. 1755 is not the son of John Dutchman Cagle. He is > the > son of Johan Theobald Cagle. > > John Dutchman Cagle does have a son Jacob; however, he was born 1766 > and > married Elizbeth Gilmore. > > Yes, I do have an electronically reproduced cy of the Will as > follows: > > Will Book A, page 49 > > JOHN CAGLE'S WILL > In the name of God Amen. I, John Cagle of Moore County being sound > and > perfect mind and memory blessed by god do this Eighteenth day of May > in > the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety Eight > make > and > publish this my last will and testament in manner following that is > to > say - > > First I give and bequeath to Cathrine Cagle, my beloved wife, my > land > and > plantation my stock of horses cattle & hogs all the household > furniture, > by her freely & quickly and peaceably to be possessed till my sons > come > of age, John Cagle and William Cagle. > > John, my son John Cagle shall have one hundred and fifty acres of > land > lying on the south side of Cabin Creek and my son William Cagle > shall > have one hundred and twelve acres in the fork of Cabin Creek and > Bear > Creek the plantation I am now living on after his coming of age. My > wife > Cathrine Cagle shall have ten acres in what part she pleases of the > said > old plantation as long as she lives or remains my widow and > afterwards > it > shall belong to my son William Cagle and he also, shall have > thirty-eight > acres of land lying by the Meeting House by him freely to be > possessed > and enjoyed. > > Also my daughters Susanna Cagle, Dorety Cagle, and Margaret Cagle > shall > have the horses cattle hogs and all the household furniture shall > be > divided among them three equally after my wife Cathrine Cagle's > deceased > by them freely possessed and enjoyed. > > I also give to my beloved children Jacob Cagle & Elizabeth Gilmore > & > George Cagle & Mary Melton and Henry Cagle everyone of them to have > the > sum of twenty shillings to be paid out of my estate & I do hereby > utterly > disallow revoke & disannul all and every other former testaments > wills & > legacies bequeathed and executors by me in any wise before this > time > named will and bequeathed ratifying & confirmed this and no other to > be > my last will and testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set > my > hand > and seal the day and year first above written. > > I do hereby appoint Bartholomew Dunn and George Cagle as executors. > > His Mark > John > > X Cagle > > >From the 1799 Will of John, filed in Moore Co., NC., we learn his > wife's > name and the names of his > ten children: Jacob, b. 1760s; Elizabeth, b. 1750s; George, b. > 1750s; > and > Mary b. 1760s, m: James > Melton; these four children are thought to be from his first > marriage. > The next six are thought to be > from his second marriage to Catarina "Caty" Seitz/Sides: Henry, b. > 1770s; > Susanna, b. 1770s; John, > b. 1780s-1830s; William, b. 1788; Dorety, b. 1789, m: David Jones; > Margaret, b. 1790s. It might be speculated that two of these > children > -- > Henry and Dorety (Dorothy) were named after John Henry > Seitz/Sides and Dorotha Elisabeth Felsinger Seitz/sides, who are > the > parents of Catarina "Caty". > > John Dutchman is buried in the Cagle Family Cemetery on John's old > homestead. You go northeast from junction #1001 and #1434 about > 200 > yards to an open field on the north side of the road. Then go west > across the center of the open field (Old Cagle house stood in the > center > of this field) for 100 yards to a twin poplar near the edge of the > field; > continue west for 25 yards to an old road bed leading towards Cabin > Creek > and to the paddy spring. The cemetery is marked by a tripple red > oak. > John and his > wife are thought to be buried here, along with his son, George and > his > wife, George's son, John and > his wife Martha's tombstones, together with their daughter's > tombstone, > Louisa A Cagle Goldston. There > are other marked and unmarked graves. > > In, "Miscellaneous Ancient Records of Moore County, N.C." by Rassie > E. > Wicker...it states on Pg. 117 ..The Seventh or 1850 Census of Moore > County...'The remainder of the people bear family names which might > be > either Ulster, Scot or English, with an admixture of German, such > as > Cagle (originally Kegill), ...' > > Pg. 305 shows the First Census of Moore County in 1790... > Cagle Christian, David, George, George, Henry, Jacob, John, > Leonard, > Roger, and William. > > Pg. 313..."Cagle, Kegill - John Kegill, from Pennsylvania and a > German, > settled in the forks of Bear and Cabin Creek, above Rovvins. The > Cagle > gold mine was on this tract, which is now the property of Standard > Mineral Company. The Cagle's were related to the Sides family, in > Pennsylvania." > > Gotta go, > > Lee Cagle > Okla City > > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:05:43 +0000 <[email protected]> writes: > > Hi Lee, > > > > Re: Posting 3/06/2002-to you from-Tom Cagle..Individual# > > 100831.(2-Post-em Displays) > > > > Jacob Cagle(b 1755) re:A "Will"..proving he is the s/o John > Dutchman > > Cagle > > (b 1684) & Johanetta Hart. > > > > Do you have a copy of this will? > > > > Thanks.."Gran" > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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