Carole, Yes, I remember him now. He is one for whom I could not connect, and so attached him to Karl Wilhelm Cagle since my software does not allow for anything else without alot of trouble. So the easiest way to handle it is to attach one to another, then afterwards "fix relationship" by detaching which I did sometime after I posted on Ancestry.com. I need to update or delete the GEDCOM, because there have been many changes, additions, etc since this was originally posted. I still am not sure of his parentage but, will one day see if I can find anything else in John's writings.. These are my notes for John Cagle, b. btw 1770-1779: Book D, p 182: 6 Sep 1796, John Cagle & wife Lucy of Lancaster Co., to Jacob Hagler of Lancaster Co., for L30, sterling; 50 acres on the west side of Big Lynches Creek, adjoining said Hagler, Plat. Plat dated 1750 to James McManus the Patentee. Wits: Charles McManus and Leonard Cagle. Signed John Cagle and Lucy Cagle. Proved by Charles McManus, Sept 6, 1796; John Welsh, JP. (This Jacob Hagler is the same who married Elizabeth Cagle, daughter of George Cagle who died in 1825. Jacob Hagler and his younger brother Paul Hagler (below) lived in Cabarrus and Stanly Counties at various times, as well as South Carolina and Georgia. Book F, p 211, Jan 9 1798: Jacob and Catharine Englet of Lancaster Co., to Paul Hagler of same, for L32, 155 acres on branch of Tuckeyhoe, waters of Linches Creek, granted Apr 3, 1786. Wits: Charles McManus and John Cagle. Signed Jocob Englet and Catharine Englet. Proved by Charles McManus, Jul 30, 1803. John and Lucy Cagle of the 1796 deed above, later migrated to Burke Co., NC where they appeared in the census of 1810. John died there in 1815, and Lucy after appearing in the 1820 census died c. 1823. Leonard Cagle appeared with John Cagle in Burke Co., NC records in 1814-1815. Regarding the ancestry of John Cagle 1770s-1815, the great grandfather of C C Cagle, it would appear he was born in or slightly before the Revolutionary War, and could well have been the son of a veteran of that War. (1) One possibility is he was an orphan son of Capt John Cagle, the Tory who died in 1782 while in the service of the Cumberland Co Loyalist Militia. Since that Capt John Cagle enlisted from Cumberland Co., this theory would presuppose young John originated among the Cagles of Cumberland Co., and was orphaned there in 1782, but later migrated by an unknown route to Lancaster Co., SC where he first begins to appear in county records as an adult. This theory, while remaining a possibility, has yet to be supported with any firm evidence. (2) Another possibility regarding John's ancestry is he was not a son of the Tory Capt John Cagle of Cumberland County, but the son of another John Cagle, perhaps of the Cabarrus/Stanly Co area of NC who also served in the Revolutionary War. Young John, during his residence in Lancaster Co., SC and Burke Co., NC does seem to have ties to the Cagles and other families of the Cabarrus and Stanly Co area particularly Leonard Cagle, c 1770-1840s, a son of Charles Cagle, d. 1801. Thus, the possibility might be raised that John 1770s-1815, could have been a son of John Cagle, c1752-1826, a resident of the Cabarrus Co. area, and son of David Cagle, 1728-1780s. This John, b. 1752, was of military age during the Revolution, and could have served in the American forces from Cabarrus, as did Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, whose records have been discussed at great length in the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry. Thus far, no military service record has been found for John, b. 1752, and it remains unknown if he ever fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House, or attained the rank of Captain. However, the possibility remains open for research and discussion. Source: The Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry May 2001, pg 5. I am sure more has been written and I will get to it as soon as I finish my current project. Let me know if I may be of further service. Another good source is Nancy Balmer@aol.com. Lee Cagle Okla City -- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@mstarmetro.net> wrote: Lee, The following is what you give on John Cagle at Ancestry World Tree Project: Cagle-Carter-Jackson-James-Jinks-Archer Genealogy Database on Ancestry.com. I am hoping you have more details and perhaps further details on John and Lucy and their descendants: Child of Karl Wilhelm CAGLE is: + 23 i. John CAGLE was born BET 1770 AND 1779 in Moore Co., NC, and died 1815 in Burke Co., NC. Carole Cook -----Original Message----- From: cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Cagle Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 PM To: cagle@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAGLE] John Cagle, lived in SC a while;wife Lucy & their descend ants? Carole, Happy to help if you can give me some dates and places. I have over 400 John Cagles to go through to find Lucy and I am sure there are more than a few. I now have over 67,000 Cagles which is probably about half of where I have to go. Lee Cagle Okla City -- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@mstarmetro.net> wrote: Lee, Thanks for all of the information on Leonard Cagle. Do you have similar detailed information on the John Cagle who married Lucy and their descendants which you could email to me? Carole Cook _____________________________________________________________ Click here for fast home refi, good credit or not. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6iigljFedacme2vQzBT5plbOFOjH2sqeteSajBQVJFkXewjcFX/

Lee, Thank you for your replies concerning Leonard Cagle and John Cagle. I was particularly interested in the following paragraph in the information you sent about the John Cagle who was born between 1770 & 1779 and married a Lucy: "These are my notes for John Cagle, b. btw 1770-1779: Book D, p 182: 6 Sep 1796, John Cagle & wife Lucy of Lancaster Co., to Jacob Hagler of Lancaster Co., for L30, sterling; 50 acres on the west side of Big Lynches Creek, adjoining said Hagler, Plat. Plat dated 1750 to James McManus the Patentee. Wits: Charles McManus and Leonard Cagle. Signed John Cagle and Lucy Cagle. Proved by Charles McManus, Sept 6, 1796; John Welsh, JP. (This Jacob Hagler is the same who married Elizabeth Cagle, daughter of George Cagle who died in 1825. Jacob Hagler and his younger brother Paul Hagler (below) lived in Cabarrus and Stanly Counties at various times, as well as South Carolina and Georgia." My interest in John Cagle and Leonard Cagle has been the fact that they lived close to the Haglers in Lancaster Co., SC. I have the early Hagler deeds (for Boston/Sebastian, Abraham, and Jacob) and that is where I got the names of John and Lucy Cagle and of Leonard Cagle. I am wondering why you believe the Jacob Hagler to whom John Cagle and wife Lucy sold 50 acres in 1796 is the same Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle who was the daughter of George Cagle who died in 1825 in what is now Stanly Co., NC but earlier was Montgomery Co., NC. The Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Hagler was the son of John Hagler; this John Hagler lived on Dutch Buffalo Creek in the part of Mecklenburg Co., NC that later became Cabarrus Co., NC. He was in the 1790 US Census for Mecklenburg Co., NC. He is in the 1800 US Census for Montgomery Co., NC. I believe he is one of the J Haglers in the 1810 US Census for Montgomery Co., NC. There is no 1820 US Census for Montgomery Co., NC. However, I believe he is the Jacob Hagler in the 1820 US Census for Walton Co., GA. He is the second person below David Cagles (sic) the son of George Cagle of Montgomery Co., NC who died in 1825. Here are two letters I found on the Cagle forum at http://genforum.genealogy.com which indicate the relationship between Rebecca Cagle (wife of George), Benjamin Cagle (son of George Cagle), David Cagle (son of George Cagle), Elizabeth Hagler (daughter of George Cagle), and Jacob Hagler. "1826, Letter to David Cagle of Henry Co. GA; abt. fathers will Posted by: Ami Wolf (ID *****7081) Date: April 17, 2006 at 22:48:11 of 2590 Hello Cagles, The following letter was written to David Cagle by his brother Benjamin, the contents mostly concern their father's will. The letter was found in "Cagle People", by Martin Luther Burchinal. Ami Wolf Brothers and Sisters and Families: I write these few lines to you to let you know that we are all well at this time but has been very sickly this fall. We lost one of the family this fall he was about two years old a black boy. The above is sufficient[this letter was enclosed with a letter written by his mother]for you to read and now I come to write to you how Father's concerns stands. He left one horse, two cows, and all household furniture to[sic] Mother and all the rest to be equally divided except twenty dollars over and above to Robert and I and George. I expect to be ready by next October to make settlement with the Legatees and I should be glad that you could come out then as the amount of the sale was only one hundred fifty one or two dollars. I understand that Jacob Hagler and Elizabeth is a coming out here this winter but I want them to come next fall as he wrote to send him word whether or not there was any creter left for him. No there is none but one and that is left to mother. So no more at present but remain your affectionate brother until death. Benjamin Cagle. To Mr. David Cagle, State of Georgia Henry County and Elizabeth Hagler." "1826, Letter to David and Elizabeth(Hagler) Cagle of Henry Co., GA Posted by: Ami Wolf (ID *****7081) Date: April 17, 2006 at 22:34:37 of 2590 Hello Fellow Cagles! The follow letter was found in a Cagle family biography called "Cagle People", by Martin Luther Burchinal. Ami Wolf State of North Carolina Montgomery County November 3, 1826 Dear Son and Daughter: I gladly embrace this opportunity of writing to you that I am well at present, thanks be to God for His mercies, hoping that this my letter may find you and your families enjoying good health. I am living with my son Benjamine, on Long Creek and I am very satisfied. You wrote to us to know what sort of crops there were here. I answer bad enough: the spring and the fore part of summer were remarkably dry. The crop of what[sic] (wheat) was not very good and the oat crop was almost entirely lost. The prospect of corn crop was so gloomy that it appeared that we must certainly suffer; though about harvest it became more seasonable and I think there is plenty of corn made thru this section of country. We received your letter on the 30th day of October which gave me a great satisfaction to hear that you were all well, altho it would be a good deal more pleasure to me to see you all than to hear of you. You wrote to me to know where Susanna livid. We received a letter from her the first of July last that gave us great satisfaction to hear that they were all well at that time and also well satisfied with their country. They live in Tennysee state, Bledsoe county. They wrote to us if we wrote to them to direct our letters to Pickinsville post office. They wrote to us that they had received a letter from Cou. Robert, dated October 12th, 1825, which informed them that they were all well at that time. He lives in Tennysee state, Perry county. Also we received letters from Cous. Sampson and Leonard on the 1st of July 1826, which gave us much satisfaction to hear that they were all well at that time. They live in Kentucky, Warren county. Sampson lives in about four miles of Martinsville post office. There has been the sick times in this section that I ever saw and the slow fever is in places yet and I will send the names of them of your acquaintances that are dead: George Springer and Peter Tucker dies one in the morning and the other in the evening and were both carried to the grave in one wagon together; old Mrs. Betly Snow and Suzanna Cagle, Cou. George's wife, who died in September last; and Andrew Watt, Isham Honeycutt, Nehemiah Hearn and a number of others. I want to be remembered to relations and inquiring friends, so no more at present, but remain your affectionate mother until death. Rebecca Cagle To David Cagle and wife." You may have noticed that the 1820 census to which I referred was for Walton Co., GA and that the two letters were sent to Henry Co., GA in 1826. Henry Co., GA was formed from Walton Co., GA and Indian lands in 1821. There was a Jacob Hagler in the 1790 US Census for Camden District, South Carolina (Lancaster County later came from Camden District.) There was also a Jacob Hagler in the 1800 and 1810 US Census for Lancaster Co., SC. These three Jacobs may not all be the same person. However, I do not understand how one of them could have been the Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle, because it seems to me that he is already accounted for in other censuses in 1790, 1800, and 1810. So my question is: How have you come to the conclusion that the Jacob Hagler in the 6 September 1796 Deed: John and Lucy Cagle to Jacob Hagler is the same Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle the daughter of George Cagle of Montgomery Co., NC who died in 1825? I have an ancestor named Elizabeth Hagler (b. 1772/1773) who married George Christman/Chrisman (b. 1765). George was born on Dutch Buffalo Creek in the part of Mecklenburg Co., NC which became Cabarrus Co., NC. George's brother Michael Christman/Chrisman, Jr. married Elizabeth Weidner the daughter of Isaac Weidner who lived on Lynches Creek in South Carolina. The land was on both sides of Lynches Creek. It was in Craven County then; now part of it is in Chesterfield County and part of it is in Lancaster County, since Lynches Creek is the dividing line between the two counties. Boston/Sebastian Hagler bought land from Isaac Weidner in 1764 and in 1771. However, Isaac remained in the area. Since Michael Jr. married Isaac Weidner's daughter, I'm thinking it is possible George married one of Boston/Sebastian's daughters. I am trying to figure out who Boston/Sebastian's daughters married in hopes I can trace some all-female lines to the present to be able to compare their mitochondrial DNA with that of all-female lines I have traced to the present from my Elizabeth Hagler Christman/Chrisman. I wondered if Leonard Cagle and/or John Cagle could have married the one of the daughters of Boston/Sebastian Hagler. I can see that Leonard did not. I believe Boston/Sebastian Hagler of the Lynches Creek area in South Carolina and John Hagler of Dutch Buffalo Creek in Mecklenburg Co., NC are brothers. I have not proved it yet but do have some evidence to that effect. I will ask my question again: How have you come to the conclusion that the Jacob Hagler in the 6 September 1796 Deed: John and Lucy Cagle to Jacob Hagler is the same Jacob Hagler who married Elizabeth Cagle the daughter of George Cagle of Montgomery Co., NC who died in 1825? Carole (Carole Irene Crismon Cook) -----Original Message----- From: cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Cagle Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:28 PM To: cagle@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAGLE] John Cagle, lived in SC a while;wife Lucy & their descend ants? Carole, Yes, I remember him now. He is one for whom I could not connect, and so attached him to Karl Wilhelm Cagle since my software does not allow for anything else without alot of trouble. So the easiest way to handle it is to attach one to another, then afterwards "fix relationship" by detaching which I did sometime after I posted on Ancestry.com. I need to update or delete the GEDCOM, because there have been many changes, additions, etc since this was originally posted. I still am not sure of his parentage but, will one day see if I can find anything else in John's writings.. These are my notes for John Cagle, b. btw 1770-1779: Book D, p 182: 6 Sep 1796, John Cagle & wife Lucy of Lancaster Co., to Jacob Hagler of Lancaster Co., for L30, sterling; 50 acres on the west side of Big Lynches Creek, adjoining said Hagler, Plat. Plat dated 1750 to James McManus the Patentee. Wits: Charles McManus and Leonard Cagle. Signed John Cagle and Lucy Cagle. Proved by Charles McManus, Sept 6, 1796; John Welsh, JP. (This Jacob Hagler is the same who married Elizabeth Cagle, daughter of George Cagle who died in 1825. Jacob Hagler and his younger brother Paul Hagler (below) lived in Cabarrus and Stanly Counties at various times, as well as South Carolina and Georgia. Book F, p 211, Jan 9 1798: Jacob and Catharine Englet of Lancaster Co., to Paul Hagler of same, for L32, 155 acres on branch of Tuckeyhoe, waters of Linches Creek, granted Apr 3, 1786. Wits: Charles McManus and John Cagle. Signed Jocob Englet and Catharine Englet. Proved by Charles McManus, Jul 30, 1803. John and Lucy Cagle of the 1796 deed above, later migrated to Burke Co., NC where they appeared in the census of 1810. John died there in 1815, and Lucy after appearing in the 1820 census died c. 1823. Leonard Cagle appeared with John Cagle in Burke Co., NC records in 1814-1815. Regarding the ancestry of John Cagle 1770s-1815, the great grandfather of C C Cagle, it would appear he was born in or slightly before the Revolutionary War, and could well have been the son of a veteran of that War. (1) One possibility is he was an orphan son of Capt John Cagle, the Tory who died in 1782 while in the service of the Cumberland Co Loyalist Militia. Since that Capt John Cagle enlisted from Cumberland Co., this theory would presuppose young John originated among the Cagles of Cumberland Co., and was orphaned there in 1782, but later migrated by an unknown route to Lancaster Co., SC where he first begins to appear in county records as an adult. This theory, while remaining a possibility, has yet to be supported with any firm evidence. (2) Another possibility regarding John's ancestry is he was not a son of the Tory Capt John Cagle of Cumberland County, but the son of another John Cagle, perhaps of the Cabarrus/Stanly Co area of NC who also served in the Re! volutionary War. Young John, during his residence in Lancaster Co., SC and Burke Co., NC does seem to have ties to the Cagles and other families of the Cabarrus and Stanly Co area particularly Leonard Cagle, c 1770-1840s, a son of Charles Cagle, d. 1801. Thus, the possibility might be raised that John 1770s-1815, could have been a son of John Cagle, c1752-1826, a resident of the Cabarrus Co. area, and son of David Cagle, 1728-1780s. This John, b. 1752, was of military age during the Revolution, and could have served in the American forces from Cabarrus, as did Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, whose records have been discussed at great length in the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry. Thus far, no military service record has been found for John, b. 1752, and it remains unknown if he ever fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House, or attained the rank of Captain. However, the possibility remains open for research and discussion. Source: The Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry May 2001, pg 5. I am sure more has been written and I will get to it as soon as I finish my current project. Let me know if I may be of further service. Another good source is Nancy Balmer@aol.com. Lee Cagle Okla City -- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@mstarmetro.net> wrote: Lee, The following is what you give on John Cagle at Ancestry World Tree Project: Cagle-Carter-Jackson-James-Jinks-Archer Genealogy Database on Ancestry.com. I am hoping you have more details and perhaps further details on John and Lucy and their descendants: Child of Karl Wilhelm CAGLE is: + 23 i. John CAGLE was born BET 1770 AND 1779 in Moore Co., NC, and died 1815 in Burke Co., NC. Carole Cook -----Original Message----- From: cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Cagle Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 PM To: cagle@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAGLE] John Cagle, lived in SC a while;wife Lucy & their descend ants? Carole, Happy to help if you can give me some dates and places. I have over 400 John Cagles to go through to find Lucy and I am sure there are more than a few. I now have over 67,000 Cagles which is probably about half of where I have to go. Lee Cagle Okla City -- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@mstarmetro.net> wrote: Lee, Thanks for all of the information on Leonard Cagle. 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