Hi! Is Sylvia Harvey on this list group? Thanks, Kim On Jun 25, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Lee Cagle wrote: Carole, Yes, I remember him now. He is one for whom I could not connect, and so attached him to Karl Wilhelm Cagle since my software does not allow for anything else without alot of trouble. So the easiest way to handle it is to attach one to another, then afterwards "fix relationship" by detaching which I did sometime after I posted on Ancestry.com. I need to update or delete the GEDCOM, because there have been many changes, additions, etc since this was originally posted. I still am not sure of his parentage but, will one day see if I can find anything else in John's writings.. These are my notes for John Cagle, b. btw 1770-1779: Book D, p 182: 6 Sep 1796, John Cagle & wife Lucy of Lancaster Co., to Jacob Hagler of Lancaster Co., for L30, sterling; 50 acres on the west side of Big Lynches Creek, adjoining said Hagler, Plat. Plat dated 1750 to James McManus the Patentee. Wits: Charles McManus and Leonard Cagle. Signed John Cagle and Lucy Cagle. Proved by Charles McManus, Sept 6, 1796; John Welsh, JP. (This Jacob Hagler is the same who married Elizabeth Cagle, daughter of George Cagle who died in 1825. Jacob Hagler and his younger brother Paul Hagler (below) lived in Cabarrus and Stanly Counties at various times, as well as South Carolina and Georgia. Book F, p 211, Jan 9 1798: Jacob and Catharine Englet of Lancaster Co., to Paul Hagler of same, for L32, 155 acres on branch of Tuckeyhoe, waters of Linches Creek, granted Apr 3, 1786. Wits: Charles McManus and John Cagle. Signed Jocob Englet and Catharine Englet. Proved by Charles McManus, Jul 30, 1803. John and Lucy Cagle of the 1796 deed above, later migrated to Burke Co., NC where they appeared in the census of 1810. John died there in 1815, and Lucy after appearing in the 1820 census died c. 1823. Leonard Cagle appeared with John Cagle in Burke Co., NC records in 1814-1815. Regarding the ancestry of John Cagle 1770s-1815, the great grandfather of C C Cagle, it would appear he was born in or slightly before the Revolutionary War, and could well have been the son of a veteran of that War. (1) One possibility is he was an orphan son of Capt John Cagle, the Tory who died in 1782 while in the service of the Cumberland Co Loyalist Militia. Since that Capt John Cagle enlisted from Cumberland Co., this theory would presuppose young John originated among the Cagles of Cumberland Co., and was orphaned there in 1782, but later migrated by an unknown route to Lancaster Co., SC where he first begins to appear in county records as an adult. This theory, while remaining a possibility, has yet to be supported with any firm evidence. (2) Another possibility regarding John's ancestry is he was not a son of the Tory Capt John Cagle of Cumberland County, but the son of another John Cagle, perhaps of the Cabarrus/Stanly Co area of NC who also served in the Re! volutionary War. Young John, during his residence in Lancaster Co., SC and Burke Co., NC does seem to have ties to the Cagles and other families of the Cabarrus and Stanly Co area particularly Leonard Cagle, c 1770-1840s, a son of Charles Cagle, d. 1801. Thus, the possibility might be raised that John 1770s-1815, could have been a son of John Cagle, c1752-1826, a resident of the Cabarrus Co. area, and son of David Cagle, 1728-1780s. This John, b. 1752, was of military age during the Revolution, and could have served in the American forces from Cabarrus, as did Jacob Cagle, 1755-1845, whose records have been discussed at great length in the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry. Thus far, no military service record has been found for John, b. 1752, and it remains unknown if he ever fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House, or attained the rank of Captain. However, the possibility remains open for research and discussion. Source: The Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry May 2001, pg 5. I am sure more has been written and I will get to it as soon as I finish my current project. Let me know if I may be of further service. Another good source is Nancy Balmer@aol.com. Lee Cagle Okla City -- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@mstarmetro.net> wrote: Lee, The following is what you give on John Cagle at Ancestry World Tree Project: Cagle-Carter-Jackson-James-Jinks-Archer Genealogy Database on Ancestry.com. I am hoping you have more details and perhaps further details on John and Lucy and their descendants: Child of Karl Wilhelm CAGLE is: + 23 i. John CAGLE was born BET 1770 AND 1779 in Moore Co., NC, and died 1815 in Burke Co., NC. Carole Cook -----Original Message----- From: cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cagle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Cagle Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 PM To: cagle@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAGLE] John Cagle, lived in SC a while;wife Lucy & their descend ants? Carole, Happy to help if you can give me some dates and places. I have over 400 John Cagles to go through to find Lucy and I am sure there are more than a few. I now have over 67,000 Cagles which is probably about half of where I have to go. Lee Cagle Okla City -- "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@mstarmetro.net> wrote: Lee, Thanks for all of the information on Leonard Cagle. Do you have similar detailed information on the John Cagle who married Lucy and their descendants which you could email to me? 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