I have just revisited the census of Fannin Co., TX in 1880. 359 John Caine 32 Sarah 48 mother Frederick 26 brother Henry 16 brother Laura 4 niece 360 John Cagle 25 Sarah 26 wife Mary 4 dau George 2 son Eliza Bishop 44 aunt George 16 nep (Willie in 1870 census) 361 Matilda Hays 40 Isaac 16 son Andrew 11 son James Lacy 25 s-i-l Polly 21 dau Anna 1 g-dau 362 George cagle 56 Malinda 43 wife Henry 18 son Belle Smith 14 adp dau William Caine 2 g-son Where is Dora Bishop, age 4, if she is the daughter of Eliza? Following is a message I received from Carol Shepard a year or so ago. Her grandmother was Mary Adeline Cagle that we have been discussing for a few days. For those of you who are following this line, this should be helpful. David ++++++++++++ Hi Mr. Cagle: My Grandmother was a CAGLE, Mary Adeline. Had two brothers, George and Will. Great Grandfather was John Cagle. They came from TN, not sure what part. George married a lady named LUDIE and had two children Johnny (oldest) and Mable, they lived in between Morehouse & Poplar Bluff, MO., New Madrid Co. George's brother Will married a lady named Minnie and they had five children: Tom (oldest), Myrtle, Pearl, Bill and Lola May, lived in Parma, MO., New Madrid Co. My grandmother, Mary Adeline was born around 1874 and died Oct. 29 or 31 1906, she is buried in Brazziele Cemetary three miles south of Sikeston, MO., New Madrid Co. Mary married James Anderson Westerman, born 10/25/1850 TN, died 8/18/1928, buried in Union Cemetary, Augusta, AR., Woodruff Co. Mary and James had (7) children: 1. John Anderson, Married Fannie Sanders. 2. Mary Edna, married a Matthews. 3. Charley Westerman. 4. Minnie, married twice, second husband a Phillips. 5. Zetta. 6. Eliza Jane, (my mother) married James Dewey Golden. 7. Laurie, died at 18 weeks old. If there is any connection, please e-mail me: bobby@ncn.com My name is Carol (Golden) Shepard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micah Allen" <silvertrill@yahoo.com> To: <cagle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle > Re: son of Dora Bishop and Henry Cagle > I found Fred Cagle's death certificate on Missouri's 1910-1956 database of > death records: I have the following: > > Fred Cagle of Richland, Stoddard, Missouri. Born October 27, 1893; Died > January 16, 1919. Name of Father: Henry Cagle; Name of Mother: Dora > Bishop. > Father's birthplace is unknown. Mother's birthplace is MO. Deceased > birthplace is listed as "near Morehouse MO". Buried in Idalia, MO. > > Also please note that I have noticed Andrew Hayes in the 1880 census > adjacent to John Cagle's (b. 1853) household in Fannin Co., TX. I also > note in the 1900 census of Morehouse Village, West Township, New Madrid, > Missouri that Andrew Hayes and Dora Bishop Hayes appear with stepsons Fred > and Franklin and that their household again is not far from John Cagle's > (b. 1853) household. (It is on the same census page) > > Please note that William Cagle's (John's second son) family had moved to > the Richland township as well by 1910. > > Lee, David and LaMona, > Is it conclusive that Henry Cagle (son of George Cagle and Malinda > Matthews) married Dora Bishop? I think that it is conclusive because of > the close proximity his supposed widow Dora keeps with Henry's brother > John in addition to Fred's death certificate and the presence of Andrew > Hayes living so near the Cagle family in both the 1880 and 1900 census. I > think I have more notes as well, but I have to find them....will keep you > posted. > > > Lee Cagle <caglel1@juno.com> wrote: David, > I believe we are pretty close on the age of Henry. If you look at his > father's 1860 Census of New Madrid Co., MO, we find he is not listed, but > he is listed as 9 on the 1870. I am convinced he was born after > > > Lee Cagle > Okla City > > -- "David Cagle" wrote: > Thanks Lee. > " LaMona has found a Dora Bishop who married Henry Cagle on 3 Jan 1892, > might be this Henry. This is possibly his first cousin. She may be the > daughter of Elizabeth Cagle Bishop, Henry's father's sister who married a > Bishop." > > Do we know anything else about Dora and Henry, location, dates? > > As you probably know, there was a Henry Cagle living in adjacent Dunklin > or > Pemiscott County that was about 2 years older than George's son Henry. > The > other Cagles in New Madrid Co., early on, were from Perry Co., TN > apparently > descendents of Leonard, son of the emigrant Leonard. > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Cagle" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle > > >> >> >> 1870 US Fed Census Big Prairie, New Madrid Co., MO, 2 Aug, page 1, >> Enumerated by Asst Marshal Ellis T Jenkins at household 1, family 1, >> lines >> 1 - 10 >> CAGLE, George, 45, MW, Farmer, $1500/$900, North Carolina >> Malinda, 37, FW, Keep house, MO, Illiterate >> John, 16, MW, Farm Laborer, MO, Illiterate >> Mary, 13, FW, none, MO, Illiterate >> Henry, 9, MW, none, MO >> HULING, William, 17, MW, Farm Laborer, $0/$150, MO, Illiterate (Nephew) >> SMITH, Louise, 5, MO (Louise is thought to be a niece, she was later >> adopted by George) >> MATTHEWS, Martha, 55, FW, Domestic Servant, MO, Illiterate >> (mother-in-law) >> BISHOP, Elisa, 35, FW, TN (sister) (husband in CW ?) >> Willie, 6, FW, TN, MO >> (Note:George moved to TX abt 1877 where he was enumerated in the census >> of >> Fannin Co., TX in 1880 as shown below.) >> 1880 US Fed Census Pct 7, Fannin Co., TX., 23 Jun, ED 30, page 34, >> Enumerated by J N Lane at household 360, family 362, lines 9 - 15 >> CAGLE, George, WM, 56,Self, Married, Farmer, NC NC NC, Illiterate >> Malinda, WF, 43, Wife, Married, Keeping house, MO NC NC, Illiterate >> Henry, WM, 18, Son, Single, Farm Labor, MO NC MO, Illiterate >> Smith, Belle, WF, 14, Adopted dau, Single, MO UNK MO, Illiterate >> Caine, Wm, WM, 2 , G-Son, MO MO MO >> (Note: William Caine is the son of Mary Matilda Cagle Caine, daughter of >> George and Margaret Malinda. The child Belle Smith, age 14 yrs, >> apparently adopted in New Madrid, Co., MO prior to George's departure >> from >> there in 1877. Belle is thought to be Louise, age 5 in the 1870 census of >> Madrid County. >> LaMona has found a Dora Bishop who married Henry Cagle on 3 Jan 1892, >> might be this Henry. This is possibly his first cousin. She may be the >> daughter of Elizabeth Cagle Bishop, Henry's father's sister who married a >> Bishop. >> Lee Cagle >> Okla City >> >> -- "David Cagle" wrote: >> Lee, > >> The Henry Cagle that marrried Dora Bishop--Is he listed in a census? >> Eliza Cagle Bishop was a sister to my g/g/grandfather, John Cagle, >> 1813-1879, of Hardin Co., TN, and their brother was George Cagle, >> 1824-aft.1880, of New Madrid Co., MO and Fannin Co., TX, all children of >> Henry Cagle, Jr.,1780-1857, New Madrid Co., MO. >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Micah Allen" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle >> >> >>> Thanks Lee. I appreciate the clarification. >>> >>> --Micah-- >>> >>> Lee Cagle wrote: >>> Micah, >>> The Henry Cagle on the 1900 Census of Okla City. Is not the same as the >>> Henry who married Dora Bishop on 3 Jan 1892. This Henry Cagle might be a >>> first cousin by way of Elizabeth Cagle Bishop, Henry's father's sister >>> who >>> married a Bishop. >>> This is probably as clear as mud. You might try contacting Lamona >>> Phillips >>> at the address shown in the address heading. I understand she has been >>> working this line. >>> >>> >>> Lee Cagle >>> Okla City >>> >>> -- Micah Allen wrote: >>> To List and Val (I think) >>> >>> Someone, I think it was Val wrote to the list asking if anyone had >>> information on Mary Adeline Cagle. >>> >>> John Cagle (b.1853, MO) and the subject of so many of my posts had a >>> daughter Mary Cagle. On Missouri's vital record site is a wealth of >>> resources that can potentially help anyone looking for Cagles with >>> ancestors that were born, lived, or died in Missouri counties. Mostly, >>> you'll find 1910-1956 death certificates to be the most valuable because >>> pre-1910 info is only found for counties outside the Missouri Bootheel >>> region. I found a record for Mary Adeline Cagle on the usgenweb New >>> Madrid >>> County site stating the following: >>> >>> James A. Westeman of Wess Twp. married Mary A. Cagle. John Cagle, >>> father, >>> consents on April 19, 1893 by E. Brand, Justice of the Peace. >>> >>> Since Lee so graciously sent us his website (THANK YOU by the way), I >>> decided to check it out. Unaware that he basically had every Leonhart >>> Kegel descendant on there, I wasn't disappointed. He had quite a few >>> records of the same info I have on John and his family. Mary A. Cagle >>> was >>> listed as his daughter and her mother is listed as Sarah. You will note >>> that you can find her in John Cagle's household at age 4 in the 1880 >>> Census of Fannin County, Texas. I have yet to really work on her >>> records, >>> but now that I know that she is a member of the Morehouse Cagle's I will >>> eventually get to it. >>> >>> Furthermore, David you might be interested to know that I found Dora >>> Bishop's name as a wife of Henry Cagle (John's fourth son, I think) on >>> Lee's page. Lee, I would love to know where you found the info that >>> Henry >>> C. Cagle married Dora Bishop. I've been trying to connect Frederick >>> Cagle >>> and Franklin Cagle into our line for a while and only had a hunch. The >>> Cagle/Bishop marriage certificate/info has eluded me. Also, I note that >>> Dora is living with Andrew Hayes in the 1900 census of New Madrid Co, MO >>> directly next to John Cagle (b. 1853), but we also have Henry Cagle >>> listed >>> with first wife Ida in the 1900 census in Oklahoma City. How can this >>> be? >>> I'm a bit confused; did I miss something? Thanks for the wonderful info! >>> >>> --Micah R. Allen-- (Morehouse, New Madrid, MO Cagles)

----- Original Message ----- From: David Cagle<mailto:dcagle1@charter.net> To: cagle@rootsweb.com<mailto:cagle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle I have just revisited the census of Fannin Co., TX in 1880. 359 John Caine 32 Sarah 48 mother Frederick 26 brother Henry 16 brother Laura 4 niece 360 John Cagle 25 Sarah 26 wife Mary 4 dau George 2 son Eliza Bishop 44 aunt George 16 nep (Willie in 1870 census) 361 Matilda Hays 40 Isaac 16 son Andrew 11 son James Lacy 25 s-i-l Polly 21 dau Anna 1 g-dau 362 George cagle 56 Malinda 43 wife Henry 18 son Belle Smith 14 adp dau William Caine 2 g-son Where is Dora Bishop, age 4, if she is the daughter of Eliza? Following is a message I received from Carol Shepard a year or so ago. Her grandmother was Mary Adeline Cagle that we have been discussing for a few days. For those of you who are following this line, this should be helpful. David ++++++++++++ Hi Mr. Cagle: My Grandmother was a CAGLE, Mary Adeline. Had two brothers, George and Will. Great Grandfather was John Cagle. They came from TN, not sure what part. George married a lady named LUDIE and had two children Johnny (oldest) and Mable, they lived in between Morehouse & Poplar Bluff, MO., New Madrid Co. George's brother Will married a lady named Minnie and they had five children: Tom (oldest), Myrtle, Pearl, Bill and Lola May, lived in Parma, MO., New Madrid Co. My grandmother, Mary Adeline was born around 1874 and died Oct. 29 or 31 1906, she is buried in Brazziele Cemetary three miles south of Sikeston, MO., New Madrid Co. Mary married James Anderson Westerman, born 10/25/1850 TN, died 8/18/1928, buried in Union Cemetary, Augusta, AR., Woodruff Co. Mary and James had (7) children: 1. John Anderson, Married Fannie Sanders. 2. Mary Edna, married a Matthews. 3. Charley Westerman. 4. Minnie, married twice, second husband a Phillips. 5. Zetta. 6. Eliza Jane, (my mother) married James Dewey Golden. 7. Laurie, died at 18 weeks old. If there is any connection, please e-mail me: bobby@ncn.com<mailto:bobby@ncn.com> My name is Carol (Golden) Shepard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micah Allen" <silvertrill@yahoo.com<mailto:silvertrill@yahoo.com>> To: <cagle@rootsweb.com<mailto:cagle@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle > Re: son of Dora Bishop and Henry Cagle > I found Fred Cagle's death certificate on Missouri's 1910-1956 database of > death records: I have the following: > > Fred Cagle of Richland, Stoddard, Missouri. Born October 27, 1893; Died > January 16, 1919. Name of Father: Henry Cagle; Name of Mother: Dora > Bishop. > Father's birthplace is unknown. Mother's birthplace is MO. Deceased > birthplace is listed as "near Morehouse MO". Buried in Idalia, MO. > > Also please note that I have noticed Andrew Hayes in the 1880 census > adjacent to John Cagle's (b. 1853) household in Fannin Co., TX. I also > note in the 1900 census of Morehouse Village, West Township, New Madrid, > Missouri that Andrew Hayes and Dora Bishop Hayes appear with stepsons Fred > and Franklin and that their household again is not far from John Cagle's > (b. 1853) household. (It is on the same census page) > > Please note that William Cagle's (John's second son) family had moved to > the Richland township as well by 1910. > > Lee, David and LaMona, > Is it conclusive that Henry Cagle (son of George Cagle and Malinda > Matthews) married Dora Bishop? I think that it is conclusive because of > the close proximity his supposed widow Dora keeps with Henry's brother > John in addition to Fred's death certificate and the presence of Andrew > Hayes living so near the Cagle family in both the 1880 and 1900 census. I > think I have more notes as well, but I have to find them....will keep you > posted. > > > Lee Cagle <caglel1@juno.com<mailto:caglel1@juno.com>> wrote: David, > I believe we are pretty close on the age of Henry. If you look at his > father's 1860 Census of New Madrid Co., MO, we find he is not listed, but > he is listed as 9 on the 1870. I am convinced he was born after > > > Lee Cagle > Okla City > > -- "David Cagle" wrote: > Thanks Lee. > " LaMona has found a Dora Bishop who married Henry Cagle on 3 Jan 1892, > might be this Henry. This is possibly his first cousin. She may be the > daughter of Elizabeth Cagle Bishop, Henry's father's sister who married a > Bishop." > > Do we know anything else about Dora and Henry, location, dates? > > As you probably know, there was a Henry Cagle living in adjacent Dunklin > or > Pemiscott County that was about 2 years older than George's son Henry. > The > other Cagles in New Madrid Co., early on, were from Perry Co., TN > apparently > descendents of Leonard, son of the emigrant Leonard. > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Cagle" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle > > >> >> >> 1870 US Fed Census Big Prairie, New Madrid Co., MO, 2 Aug, page 1, >> Enumerated by Asst Marshal Ellis T Jenkins at household 1, family 1, >> lines >> 1 - 10 >> CAGLE, George, 45, MW, Farmer, $1500/$900, North Carolina >> Malinda, 37, FW, Keep house, MO, Illiterate >> John, 16, MW, Farm Laborer, MO, Illiterate >> Mary, 13, FW, none, MO, Illiterate >> Henry, 9, MW, none, MO >> HULING, William, 17, MW, Farm Laborer, $0/$150, MO, Illiterate (Nephew) >> SMITH, Louise, 5, MO (Louise is thought to be a niece, she was later >> adopted by George) >> MATTHEWS, Martha, 55, FW, Domestic Servant, MO, Illiterate >> (mother-in-law) >> BISHOP, Elisa, 35, FW, TN (sister) (husband in CW ?) >> Willie, 6, FW, TN, MO >> (Note:George moved to TX abt 1877 where he was enumerated in the census >> of >> Fannin Co., TX in 1880 as shown below.) >> 1880 US Fed Census Pct 7, Fannin Co., TX., 23 Jun, ED 30, page 34, >> Enumerated by J N Lane at household 360, family 362, lines 9 - 15 >> CAGLE, George, WM, 56,Self, Married, Farmer, NC NC NC, Illiterate >> Malinda, WF, 43, Wife, Married, Keeping house, MO NC NC, Illiterate >> Henry, WM, 18, Son, Single, Farm Labor, MO NC MO, Illiterate >> Smith, Belle, WF, 14, Adopted dau, Single, MO UNK MO, Illiterate >> Caine, Wm, WM, 2 , G-Son, MO MO MO >> (Note: William Caine is the son of Mary Matilda Cagle Caine, daughter of >> George and Margaret Malinda. The child Belle Smith, age 14 yrs, >> apparently adopted in New Madrid, Co., MO prior to George's departure >> from >> there in 1877. Belle is thought to be Louise, age 5 in the 1870 census of >> Madrid County. >> LaMona has found a Dora Bishop who married Henry Cagle on 3 Jan 1892, >> might be this Henry. This is possibly his first cousin. She may be the >> daughter of Elizabeth Cagle Bishop, Henry's father's sister who married a >> Bishop. >> Lee Cagle >> Okla City >> >> -- "David Cagle" wrote: >> Lee, > >> The Henry Cagle that marrried Dora Bishop--Is he listed in a census? >> Eliza Cagle Bishop was a sister to my g/g/grandfather, John Cagle, >> 1813-1879, of Hardin Co., TN, and their brother was George Cagle, >> 1824-aft.1880, of New Madrid Co., MO and Fannin Co., TX, all children of >> Henry Cagle, Jr.,1780-1857, New Madrid Co., MO. >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Micah Allen" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Mary Adeline Cagle >> >> >>> Thanks Lee. I appreciate the clarification. >>> >>> --Micah-- >>> >>> Lee Cagle wrote: >>> Micah, >>> The Henry Cagle on the 1900 Census of Okla City. Is not the same as the >>> Henry who married Dora Bishop on 3 Jan 1892. This Henry Cagle might be a >>> first cousin by way of Elizabeth Cagle Bishop, Henry's father's sister >>> who >>> married a Bishop. >>> This is probably as clear as mud. You might try contacting Lamona >>> Phillips >>> at the address shown in the address heading. I understand she has been >>> working this line. >>> >>> >>> Lee Cagle >>> Okla City >>> >>> -- Micah Allen wrote: >>> To List and Val (I think) >>> >>> Someone, I think it was Val wrote to the list asking if anyone had >>> information on Mary Adeline Cagle. >>> >>> John Cagle (b.1853, MO) and the subject of so many of my posts had a >>> daughter Mary Cagle. On Missouri's vital record site is a wealth of >>> resources that can potentially help anyone looking for Cagles with >>> ancestors that were born, lived, or died in Missouri counties. Mostly, >>> you'll find 1910-1956 death certificates to be the most valuable because >>> pre-1910 info is only found for counties outside the Missouri Bootheel >>> region. I found a record for Mary Adeline Cagle on the usgenweb New >>> Madrid >>> County site stating the following: >>> >>> James A. Westeman of Wess Twp. married Mary A. Cagle. John Cagle, >>> father, >>> consents on April 19, 1893 by E. Brand, Justice of the Peace. >>> >>> Since Lee so graciously sent us his website (THANK YOU by the way), I >>> decided to check it out. Unaware that he basically had every Leonhart >>> Kegel descendant on there, I wasn't disappointed. He had quite a few >>> records of the same info I have on John and his family. Mary A. Cagle >>> was >>> listed as his daughter and her mother is listed as Sarah. You will note >>> that you can find her in John Cagle's household at age 4 in the 1880 >>> Census of Fannin County, Texas. I have yet to really work on her >>> records, >>> but now that I know that she is a member of the Morehouse Cagle's I will >>> eventually get to it. >>> >>> Furthermore, David you might be interested to know that I found Dora >>> Bishop's name as a wife of Henry Cagle (John's fourth son, I think) on >>> Lee's page. Lee, I would love to know where you found the info that >>> Henry >>> C. Cagle married Dora Bishop. I've been trying to connect Frederick >>> Cagle >>> and Franklin Cagle into our line for a while and only had a hunch. The >>> Cagle/Bishop marriage certificate/info has eluded me. Also, I note that >>> Dora is living with Andrew Hayes in the 1900 census of New Madrid Co, MO >>> directly next to John Cagle (b. 1853), but we also have Henry Cagle >>> listed >>> with first wife Ida in the 1900 census in Oklahoma City. How can this >>> be? >>> I'm a bit confused; did I miss something? Thanks for the wonderful info! >>> >>> --Micah R. 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